Eligibility Rules, Okay

[Gather round]

Happy to agree with 95% of that again

Good man. Let's see if we can resolve that 5%.

Windsor Park and Surrounds

I accept that Tate's Avenue on a NI match evening- and the Lisburn Road/ Shaftesbury Square pubs- can be messy. Can we look to policing/ stewarding/ self-policing to make steady if small improvements?

Flags and Emblems

I think you're being both unrealistic and unreasonable about the NI Flag. Almost all non-Nationalist opinion is either positive or neutral on it; Nationalist opinion hasn't suggested any alternative likely to result in a compromise change. I don't link the Flag primarily with Basil Brooke, Ian Paisley or abuses by other people long gone. Middle class teenagers- like everyone else locally- surely already know that NI is a divided society? Given that they see (and use) divisive symbols all the time.

Childhood Support

Nationalist fans in NI will continue to mainly look to RoI for the reasons we've both set out above. The IFA will never change their symbolism enough to satisfy all Nationalist critics; kids will watch the match with their parents.That said, my brother supports Linfield like our Da's brother. And not sure about your Liverpool- Everton example. If one of them slumps for an extended period outside the Prem they'll lose support to the other

[Olé Olé]

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1462892/rory-hale-reveals-james-mcclean-helped-convince-him-to-join-galway-united/

Was trying to ascertain if his brother had been injured recently and knocked across this article from a few months back. Rory Hale states that he was told to keep his head up for GSTQ and also said that it's a "bit dodgy" making the jump across to our set up at 16 or 17. Not sure what he means by that but we have seen a good few instances of players waiting a while before moving across to us.

[DannyInvincible]

I think Hale is just articulating the pragmatic view there. I'd guess he means that switching at that age could be a risky move career-wise - even if playing for Ireland would always be the preference for cultural or national identity reasons - when there's no need to rush into anything and limit one's options so early on, as far as the FIFA regulations are concerned anyway.

In some cases, a decision to switch may effectively or practically amount to a "retirement" from international level football, as the player switching may never get a chance with his new association, so I'm guessing Hale is advising players to leave it until they've matured and developed a bit more so they can then better or more realistically gauge their potential or chance of making a success out of a decision to switch. If some players are content enough to continue playing with the IFA up until that point in spite of the cultural baggage and the IFA are happy to continue selecting them for their own ends (which is the reality), fair enough; I don't see a major problem with that.

[Gather round]

Rory Hale states that he was told to keep his head up for GSTQ and also said that it's a "bit dodgy" making the jump across to our set up at 16 or 17. Not sure what he means by that but we have seen a good few instances of players waiting a while before moving across to us

This is a bit rum. I very much doubt any IFA official or fellow youth player insisted on any anthem protocol. At our Senior games there is a wide range of styles used by the players. More likely someone trolling on social media. Hale wants to play for the FAI teams and that's fine, just do it and stop gurning (although I realise he may have been fed loaded questions by a journalist). As for GSTQ, either it's something that contradicts your self-identity (in which politely decline a NI youth cap), or it isn't, in which case stop gurning as above.

[geysir]

I very much doubt any IFA official or fellow youth player insisted on any anthem protocol. At our Senior games there is a wide range of styles used by the players. More likely someone trolling on social media.
I have no doubt based on the evidence.
He clearly refers to they in the IFA telling him to keep his head up for GSTQ: https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/1462892/rory-hale-reveals-james-mcclean-helped-convince-him-to-join-galway-united/

"Yeah, 100 per cent, it was a no brainer (moving to the FAI). I wasn’t treated right through the younger age groups with Northern Ireland. I didn’t really play and they’d say stuff about keeping the head up for the national anthem and all — when you’ve got different beliefs, you can’t really be doing that"

[BonnieShels]

Maybe it's a bit dodgy from Rory's pov because 16 and 17 yos are likely to still be living in the jurisdiction to which they have just "turned their backs" on.

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@GR, Maybe the change in symbolism should be considered from the pov of the players who might lineout for ye. Making the players more comfortable should be the aim. Nationalists are never gonna support ye in their droves.

[Gather round]

@Bonita: aye, fair enough. As you know I support changing our anthem and some other symbols. That should make some players more uncomfortable without causing discomfort for others.

@Geysir- I'll meet you half way. I agree that Hale likely got fed up with playing for NI because the coach didn't pick him.

[geysir]

@Geysir- I'll meet you half way. I agree that Hale likely got fed up with playing for NI because the coach didn't pick him.

That's not meeting me half way, that's still denying that he was referring to the IFA as the source of keeping the the head up for GSTQ, but yet you dangle some other rabbit hat magic as being a probable source for the gstq comment. That Rory gets all mixed up and can't tell the difference between trolling on social media and an IFA instruction. Or that Rory has deliberate agenda to blacken the IFA because he's still sore at being left out.
Just maybe the IFA are reluctant to pick lads who keep their head down :)

I think i'll put more weight on Rory's word that your imaginings.

[Gather round]

Afternoon G. I've been watching NI games- including youth and women, often with players nearly outnumbering the crowd- for decades. In all that time I've never previously heard any suggestion that players were coached in how to behave during national anthems, nor seen any evidence that anyone took any notice of it. And there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. So, I'm skeptical that it happened as Hale describes. I have more trust in my own long experience that one disgruntled player making vague accusations. Or some guy riffing his own bias on here.

[geysir]

Afternoon G. I've been watching NI games- including youth and women, often with players nearly outnumbering the crowd- for decades. In all that time I've never previously heard any suggestion that players were coached in how to behave during national anthems
nor seen any evidence that anyone took any notice of it. And there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. So, I'm skeptical that it happened as Hale describes. I have more trust in my own long experience that one disgruntled player making vague accusations. Or some guy riffing his own bias on here.
One does not have to believe everything, but when you disagree with a short excerpt from a player's account of his direct experience with the NI squad over a period of 18 months, then the player must be disbelieved because he's disgruntled, he must be lying, he's got an agenda to blacken the (angelic) IFA, he's confused between a social media trolling and reality, he's disillusional and if someone picks you up on your prejudice, that's just some guy riffing his own bias on here.
And then in the middle of all that self serving flight of fancy, you add in your credibility as an all knowing source :rolleyes:.

Rory sounds anything but disgruntled, he's now where he always wanted to be re international set up and if asked in an interview about his experience with the IFA he has every right to express that he wasn't played much and for him it was not a good experience.

[backstothewall]

Good man. Let's see if we can resolve that 5%.

Windsor Park and Surrounds

I accept that Tate's Avenue on a NI match evening- and the Lisburn Road/ Shaftesbury Square pubs- can be messy. Can we look to policing/ stewarding/ self-policing to make steady if small improvements?

Flags and Emblems

I think you're being both unrealistic and unreasonable about the NI Flag. Almost all non-Nationalist opinion is either positive or neutral on it; Nationalist opinion hasn't suggested any alternative likely to result in a compromise change. I don't link the Flag primarily with Basil Brooke, Ian Paisley or abuses by other people long gone. Middle class teenagers- like everyone else locally- surely already know that NI is a divided society? Given that they see (and use) divisive symbols all the time.


I'm afraid i will have to turn the words unrealistic and unreasonable back on you. Nationalists aren't about to propose a new flag for the north. We are trying to abolish the northern state, not rehabilitate it. That flag is NEVER going to gain official recognition, and if unionism ever wants to have a flag that doesn't need to be followed by an asterisk it's up to unionism to do something about it. We are quite content that the only flag the state has is at best a de facto one that history will not judge well.

There is little more that can be done to address the issue around the environs of Lisburn Road on match night. It's a societal issue that will be solved in time by the greening of south Belfast.

[Olé Olé]

There's a line there that I genuinely love and will use again- "We are trying to abolish the northern state, not rehabilitate it."

From my completely external perspective, it seems to me like the whole 'why can't we just all get along' sentiment ignored the fact that everyone living together in peace and Harmony in the current circumstances only suits one side i.e. the unionist side.

Big shout out to Corry Evans' wife also for winning plonker of the week. She really managed to besmirch a few related reputations.

[Gather round]

I'm afraid i will have to turn the words unrealistic and unreasonable back on you. Nationalists aren't about to propose a new flag for the north. We are trying to abolish the northern state, not rehabilitate it

Lame comeback. 'You smell of wee. No, you do', effectively. Everyone knows your (plural) attitude to the NI flag. And the attitude of many of you to where you live. You'd rather paralyse local government and damage the public services you rely on on the pretence of a language barely any of you can speak conversationally. All to notionally increase slightly the likelihood of Southern parties agreeing with you to the point where they actually do something about it (eg when you get 70% public support, according to Varadkar).


That flag is NEVER going to gain official recognition

Maybe not from you or Michelle P. O'Neill. A shame, but your loss. We'll just have FIFA and UEFA recognise it instead.


and if unionism ever wants to have a flag that doesn't need to be followed by an asterisk it's up to unionism to do something about it

Translation: 'YOU need to change to please us, even though [as per point above] whatever you do short of sailing off into the sunset we'll reject'. Did I mention you personally were unreasonable and unrealistic?


We are quite content that the only flag the state has is at best a de facto one that history will not judge well

De facto judgement and recognition by notional future historians is OK by me. I don't really need much more than that- De Jure enthusiasm from some people on the internet?


There is little more that can be done to address the issue around the environs of Lisburn Road on match night. It's a societal issue that will be solved in time by the greening of south Belfast

There's plenty that can be done, as has been done in the past. Behavior at and around football matches has changed hugely while I've been watching- why should that not improve further? The proportion of Nationalist voters in BT9 is incidental to this, not least because (surprising as it may be to you) they're just as likely to drop litter or urinate in public after football as anyone else.


From my completely external perspective, it seems to me like the whole 'why can't we just all get along' sentiment ignored the fact that everyone living together in peace and Harmony in the current circumstances only suits one side i.e. the unionist side

Your second point is an outsider's opinion like the first. Not a fact. When I was a child, much of my mainly Unionist family were intimidated from their homes by paramilitarism. Same thing happened to many Nationalist neighbors, and you know what? They'd have been quite happy with relative peace and harmony, from my perspective (both internal, external and first hand).


Big shout out to Corry Evans' wife also for winning plonker of the week. She really managed to besmirch a few related reputations

Nasty bigoted comments, just shows how unwise it is to air your prejudice on social media in the wee wee hours.

[Olé Olé]

Look, my comment wasn't condoning paramilitarism so I'm hesitant to give you much of a response. Just to be clear- my point was that steps such as changing the anthem from GTSQ to something else would still mean the players are representing Northern Ireland. A more diluted version and of Northern Ireland, maybe, but Northern Ireland all the same. I was trying to contextualize, from my own point of view, how that sits with backstothewall's comment that the idea on his side would be to abolish NI, not dilute it (although, maybe that's the best that a nationalist can hope for).

[Gather round]

Look, my comment wasn't condoning paramilitarism...my point was that steps such as changing the anthem from GTSQ to something else would still mean the players are representing Northern Ireland. A more diluted version and of Northern Ireland, maybe, but Northern Ireland all the same

I wasn't suggesting you condoned violence, rather that your comment about 'let's get along' was a bit trite. As I've said here aplenty I agree changing the NI anthem would make little difference to nationalist critics (although it would please me as a NI fan).


I was trying to contextualize, from my own point of view, how that sits with backstothewall's comment that the idea on his side would be to abolish NI, not dilute it (although, maybe that's the best that a nationalist can hope for)

Indeed. I imagine it's the 'best' you're likely to get in the medium term (by which I mean a generation or so, not just until Varadkar is replaced by McDonald or some FF Gombeen.

https://i.imgur.com/sqs1bwI.jpg

[TonyD]

Big shout out to Corry Evans' wife also for winning plonker of the week. She really managed to besmirch a few related reputations.

Yeah, those comments were quite staggering. You'd get the impression she isn't the brightest, to put it mildly.

[backstothewall]

Did I mention you personally were unreasonable and unrealistic?

Yes. The precise quote was "I think you're being both unrealistic and unreasonable about the NI Flag".


Lame comeback. 'You smell of wee. No, you do', effectively. Everyone knows your (plural) attitude to the NI flag. And the attitude of many of you to where you live. You'd rather paralyse local government and damage the public services you rely on on the pretence of a language barely any of you can speak conversationally. All to notionally increase slightly the likelihood of Southern parties agreeing with you to the point where they actually do something about it (eg when you get 70% public support, according to Varadkar).

I'm not going to address the stuff about the Irish language etc as it's beyond even a tenuous connection to football.


Maybe not from you or Michelle P. O'Neill. A shame, but your loss. We'll just have FIFA and UEFA recognise it instead.

Translation: 'YOU need to change to please us, even though [as per point above] whatever you do short of sailing off into the sunset we'll reject'.

De facto judgement and recognition by notional future historians is OK by me. I don't really need much more than that- De Jure enthusiasm from some people on the internet?

I'm curious about this. What would nationalism accepting a compromise in this matter look like? If that would be us not grumbling about the flag being a sectarian relic of a disgraced regime then I think we would accept it. If nationalist rejection is anything short of the likes of me cancelling our FAI season tickets and standing behind the goal at Windsor Park singing Sweet Caroline instead, then you are probably right.

The trouble you have is that FIFA is just about the biggest organisation in the world who recognise that flag as representing NI. I'd say, and i believe you expressed a similar view above, is that you guys should want something new without any baggage for your own reasons. By grasping the nettle and enduring a little difficulty with a section of your fanbase in the short term you could put the issue to bed. Though as i said above that principle applys to all of society and i recognise it isn't fair to expect a football association to take the lead ahead of unionist leaders in society.




There's plenty that can be done, as has been done in the past. Behavior at and around football matches has changed hugely while I've been watching- why should that not improve further? The proportion of Nationalist voters in BT9 is incidental to this, not least because (surprising as it may be to you) they're just as likely to drop litter or urinate in public after football as anyone else.


The difference there is that when nationalist voters from BT9 drop litter or urinate in public after football they are probably doing it in D4.

What i mean is that the sort of behaviour i'm talking about, which isn't taking a pee up an entry or dropping a crisp bag on the street, will be a lot less likely to be put up with in licensed premises as the nature of the area changes. Either people engaging in it will find themselves being chucked out of pubs, or the pubs int he area will simply stop letting anyone in football colours in on match nights. People will be spread out to other areas of the city and the issue will be that much more diffused.

But credit where it is due. The IFA have done an excellent job in Windsor Park

P.S. Hard luck on going out. You didn't do much over the 2 legs, but neither did the Swiss. The ref in the 1st game has really ****ed you over.

[Fixer82]

You'd rather paralyse local government and damage the public services you rely on on the pretence of a language barely any of you can speak conversationally.

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Walk down the Falls Road and come back and tell me nobody speaks it. Hardly an all-inclusive ‘lets get along’ attitude now is it?

If you knew anything about the Irish language you would know how much it has grown in Belfast, Derry and Dublin in recent years.

Maybe stick to what you know best. Defending the statelet and all it’s regal glory. Ulster-Scots included. Which to me is English in a thick accent. But I would never possibly say that on a social media forum as it’s just not my place.

[tetsujin1979]

Just to remind everyone this thread is to discuss issues regarding eligibility, and only issues around eligibility.

[Straightstory]

Well said. There's a nasty sectarianism evident in this thread as long as I've been reading it. Just goes to show that, despite the fact that most ROI fans still cling to the myth that England are our great rivals, it's 'The North' that people really hate. But we better not get into that...

[Fixer82]

Well said. There's a nasty sectarianism evident in this thread as long as I've been reading it. Just goes to show that, despite the fact that most ROI fans still cling to the myth that England are our great rivals, it's 'The North' that people really hate. But we better not get into that...

Would disagree that the North are our great rivals. I cheered on the North in Euro 2016 and applauded our fans when we sang ‘Stand up for the Ulstermen’ in a gesture of support after their tragic loss of a fan. I wish NI well and am particularly fond of Michael O’Neill.
I believe most ROI fans are of a similar disposition.

[BonnieShels]

Well said. There's a nasty sectarianism evident in this thread as long as I've been reading it. Just goes to show that, despite the fact that most ROI fans still cling to the myth that England are our great rivals, it's 'The North' that people really hate. But we better not get into that...

Is having a dislike for a team that harp on like a lot of IFA supporters tend to do, sectarian? I'm almost certain it's not. Being an avowed Nationalist is also not sectarian!

I'm glad the IFA team are out. And it annoyed me that they got through to Euro 2016. But I did feel a tiny pang of sorrow that it was a thoroughly awful Swiss team that did them in. A tiny pang that isn't there today.

I've read very little here over the years that could be considered nasty.

I would suggest you having a gander over on OWC to gauge "nasty" and maybe stall it back with your findings.

[backstothewall]

Despite living in the north and having to deal with some of the less savoury elements of their support I am better disposed towards them than I ever have been. Anything I've said has been in a geniune effort to talk out with a NI fan how we can get to a point where we can all live and let live and cheer each other on. In time I'd like my attitude towards them, which at a time was openly hostile, to be like it is towards another Ulster county once my own is out of the championship.

We're not quite there yet but people talking to each other is part of that. I work with a season ticket holder at Windsor Park and we both share football in common in what is a rugby dominated office. There is more that unites us than divides us.

[Gather round]

Apologies to the mods for going off at tangent. Shall we take this to the Current Affairs section?

http://foot.ie/threads/178393-Discussion-on-a-United-or-re-partitioned-Ireland/page25

[tetsujin1979]

please do

[DannyInvincible]

There's a nasty sectarianism evident in this thread as long as I've been reading it.

Examples?

[Stuttgart88]

People referring to Londonderry by its abbreviated version.

[BonnieShels]

People referring to Londonderry by its abbreviated version.

What's Londonderry?

[seanfhear]

What's Londonderry?Maybe its a Ferry / a Road / air route !

[ArFella]

I think he means London Dairy, the ice-cream company. www.londondairy.com

[Gather round]

It's just down the road from the Hawthorns actually. The wider area gets its name from a pub (now closed) which celebrated the Marquess thereof (sometime Brit PM aka Robert Stewart and Viscount Castlereagh). I believe James McClean drives past on the way to and from the ground ;)

PS did he really say "We shat ourselves" in the post-match interviews?

https://i.imgur.com/sNVNC7J.png

[DannyInvincible]

PS did he really say "We shat ourselves" in the post-match interviews?

Balls.ie quoted him as having said that (https://www.balls.ie/football/watch-shat-james-mcclean-heartbroken-post-match-interview-377704), but I'm pretty certain he said "we shot ourselves", as in "we shot ourselves in the foot". You can listen here: https://twitter.com/i/web/status/930552598536396800

[ArFella]

PS did he really say "We shat ourselves" in the post-match interviews?

I think he said "We shot ourselves" but his thick nordie accent certainly made it sound like we shat ourselves. I think either is a fair assessment of Tuesday night...

[KrisLetang]

Why is the one side of the building lighter than that other side?

[BonnieShels]

Maybe its a Ferry / a Road / air route !

A Londonferry?

[nigel-harps1954]

Londonderry is very popular in the North-West of Northern Ireland. People love their association with London so much that they highlight the London part of every road sign in the area.

[DannyInvincible]

The less commonly seen road-signs where unionists have reacted to nationalists scribbling out the "London-" prefix by daubing over the "-derry" suffix always humour me.

https://frankiefootprints.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/northern-ireland-derry-londonderry-road-sign-in-northern-ireland.jpg?w=900

[Blue Lou]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/exclusive-bayer-leverkusen-superstar-leon-12042558



The Football Association are aware that the Jamaican-born frontman qualifies for the Three Lions – two of his grand-parents hold British passports.


And Bailey – who has been scouted extensively by Manchester United, Liverpool and Spurs – is on the radar of England's recruitment team.



A Player who, under the terms of art. 5, is eligible to represent more than one Association on account of his nationality, may play in an international match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to having the relevant nationality, he fulfils at least one of the following conditions:


a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association; ╳
b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association; ╳
c) One of his biological grandparents was born on the territory of the relevant Association; ╳
d) He has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of tHihe relevant association. ╳


Another well researched article. Grandparents hold British passports because it was pre-1962. Having grandparents born in a Colony of the United Kingdom doesn't make a player eligible for England.

[DannyInvincible]

Something that crossed my mind...

This was FIFA's eligibility rule from 1962 until 2004:


"Any player who is a naturalised citizen of a country in virtue of that country’s laws shall be eligible to play for a national or representative team of that country."

In January of 2004, there was an amendment, and the main rule then read as follows:


"Any person holding the nationality of a country is eligible to play for the representative teams of the Association of that country. The Executive Committee shall decide on the conditions of eligibility for any Player who has not played international football in accordance with par. 2 below, and either acquires a new nationality or is eligible to play for the teams of more than one Association due to his nationality."

Shortly after that (in March of 2004), FIFA tightened the rules for naturalised players to prevent this rule being exploited (after Qatar attempted to naturalised talented Brazilian footballers). CAS summarised the development quite well in the Daniel Kearns case, so I'll quote that:


In its Circular Letter No. 901, dated 19 March 2004, the FIFA explained to its member associations that the above provision appeared not to be operating satisfactorily as some players and associations tried to exploit to their advantage the apparent latitude of its first paragraph. In particular it was reported that a number of Brazilian players intended to assume the Qatari nationality in order to be eligible to play for the Qatari association. In this context, the FIFA informed its member associations of the following:


“The first sentence of Article 15 par. 1 (…) means that if a player has never played for a national team, he may assume another nationality and play for the national team of the new country, irrespective of his age. However, this basic provision does not expressly provide for players being able to play without any impediment, for another national team for no obvious reason. If a player changes his nationality or if he accepts another nationality simply in order to be able to play for new national team, he is clearly breaching Article 2(e) of the FIFA statutes (…)

(…) on 16 March 2004, the FIFA Emergency Committee ruled as follows:


1. Any player who refers to the first sentence of Article 15, paragraph 1 (…) to assume a new nationality shall only be eligible to play for the new national team if he fulfils one of the following conditions:

a) the player was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
b) his biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
c) his grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
d) he has lived continuously for at least two years on the territory of the relevant Association.

2. The decision outlined in point 1 above enters into force immediately (…)”.

These criteria eventually became article 17 of FIFA's eligibility regulations, which is now article 7.

So, the questions I'd been pondering:

i) Did Qatar only attempt to naturalise talented footballers from elsewhere after the January 2004 rule-change and, if so, why?
ii) Why didn't Qatar try naturalising talented Brazilians before the January 2004 rule-change, considering the rule then in place explicitly permitted naturalisations?
iii) Did the January 2004 rule-change trigger something?
iv) Was it common for naturalisations of convenience (or naturalisations on football grounds, in other words) to occur before 2004 and, if not, why not?

[liamoo11]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43715839

I know nothing about this stuff but this seems interesting. if it goes his way would it open the door to the likes of grealish and mcguane and others coming back to us?

[tetsujin1979]

looks like it would be a massive can of worms for FIFA to open

[geysir]

I'll be curious to read what the Royal Moroccan FA will put in their presentation to CAS.
Perhaps the RMFA truly believed there was a gentleman's agreement existing between themselves and Spain, that Munir would not be capped in a competitive game, therefore the relevant crystal clear international eligibility statute should not apply to him.

[BonnieShels]

Why would FIFA open that can though?

It would jam another nail into the coffin of international football. What sort of weird gentleman's agreement could an FA have with another FA that says "Grand yeah, select him on the bench but don't let him play. Cheers lads". Bizarre.

[Olé Olé]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/european-championship-qualifying/story/2026637/spain-forward-munir-el-haddadi-says-he-never-considered-playing-for-morocco?src=com

Very hard to argue very special dispensation after comments like these. I can't see this being successful at all and think it would be a bad idea if it were

[geysir]

Why would FIFA open that can though?

It would jam another nail into the coffin of international football. What sort of weird gentleman's agreement could an FA have with another FA that says "Grand yeah, select him on the bench but don't let him play. Cheers lads". Bizarre.
That's the one,
the same sort of a gentleman's agreement that the totally deluded IFA believed existed, believed that it overrode FIFA statutes and ended up being a large part of their submission to CAS.
Ranks in legal argument, just above fluff and below a chinese whisper.

What else can the RMFA put in their submission, at least nothing of any substance, so one has to examine precedent, where out and out whacko submissions were made to CAS by deluded FA's
The IFA just happened to come to mind.
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[osarusan]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/european-championship-qualifying/story/2026637/spain-forward-munir-el-haddadi-says-he-never-considered-playing-for-morocco?src=com

Very hard to argue very special dispensation after comments like these. I can't see this being successful at all and think it would be a bad idea if it were

Is he looking for special dispensation, or just challenging the rule in general?

He doesn't seem to be making any argument beyond 'I just want to play for Morocco now', and I don't think he will get far with that.

[Olé Olé]

Is he looking for special dispensation, or just challenging the rule in general?

He doesn't seem to be making any argument beyond 'I just want to play for Morocco now', and I don't think he will get far with that.

I would imagine it would be special dispensation and the knock-on impact if he were to receive such would be precedence being set.

[osarusan]

Special dispensation is usually argued for because of an unusual/unique set of circumstances, but I haven't seen any such circumstances mentioned at all (yet, anyway) as to why his case is exceptional in that sense.

[BonnieShels]

What examples of special dispensation (if any) exist?

[osarusan]

What examples of special dispensation (if any) exist?

In terms of player eligibility, I can't think of any.