Stadium Updates (All Clubs)

[RathfarnhamHoop]

New dugouts seem to be being built in Tallaght. Looked as if they were getting rid of the plastic things and putting a new uncovered seat style bench slightly indented into the stand like a simpler Stamford bridge type thing but they could easily have just been pushing the existing plastic benches back into the stand a bit. Wonder if its something to do with UEFA criteria. They've also added two temporary camera stands at the back of the east stand.

[Charlie Darwin]

The club told fans about that at the meeting a couple of weeks ago. Don't think it's anything to do with UEFA - just the old dugouts weren't very good and were a bit beaten up.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

The club told fans about that at the meeting a couple of weeks ago. Don't think it's anything to do with UEFA - just the old dugouts weren't very good and were a bit beaten up.
Ah had a match at the same time as the meeting so couldn't go so didn't know that. Yeah didn't think it was a UEFA thing but thought I remembered people sitting on chairs outside the dugouts in 2011 so went through my mind that it might be the case.

[ger121]

The club told fans about that at the meeting a couple of weeks ago. Don't think it's anything to do with UEFA - just the old dugouts weren't very good and were a bit beaten up.

Did Dundalk get an exemption on the requirement for extra seating for EL Group Stages?

[Charlie Darwin]

They seem to have, yeah. The capacity will be under 6,000.

[oriel]

It would appear but not announced yet, that a deal has been finally agreed with all parties involved in the lease of Oriel Park. If this is correct, the club can look at all options of much needed redevelopment and hopefully focus on the priority, the changing of the pitch.

Another issue though is levies being sought by Louth Co Co it appears, although these were from the previous regime, this might be a massive stumbling block to get over.

[ForzaHoop]

Still no a single word on any new progress on Harps new ground

[sbgawa]

It would appear but not announced yet, that a deal has been finally agreed with all parties involved in the lease of Oriel Park. If this is correct, the club can look at all options of much needed redevelopment and hopefully focus on the priority, the changing of the pitch.

Another issue though is levies being sought by Louth Co Co it appears, although these were from the previous regime, this might be a massive stumbling block to get over.

That's fantastic if a deal is done , they need to move quickly to make any meaningful progress before next season, realistically it will prob be the next one I suppose

[White Horse]

That's fantastic if a deal is done , they need to move quickly to make any meaningful progress before next season, realistically it will prob be the next one I suppose

They are look at completing this for the commencement of next season. This would necessitate buying in the turf, a more expensive option but less disruptive.

All subject to coming to an agreement with the previous owner and Louth Country Council.

[sbgawa]

They are look at completing this for the commencement of next season. This would necessitate buying in the turf, a more expensive option but less disruptive.

All subject to coming to an agreement with the previous owner and Louth Country Council.

I more so meant improvements to the general Stadium , any meaningful improvements beyond repairs (which are a bit of a waste if you then rebuild) would need planning permission etc. even with no objections and there is always some nutter out there it would be almost impossible to get done in6 months

[White Horse]

I more so meant improvements to the general Stadium , any meaningful improvements beyond repairs (which are a bit of a waste if you then rebuild) would need planning permission etc. even with no objections and there is always some nutter out there it would be almost impossible to get done in6 months

You are right, of course. Redeveloping the stadium will take time.

There is no reason why toilets couldn't be sorted out for next season though, even a temporary cover for the away section should be straightforward.

[sbgawa]

You are right, of course. Redeveloping the stadium will take time.

There is no reason why toilets couldn't be sorted out for next season though, even a temporary cover for the away section should be straightforward.

Absolutely there are probably things they could do straight away, but even laying out the plans for what they were going to build commencing Nov17 to be ready for 2018 season would be motivational for both supporters and sponsors. nice to see your concern for us traveling hoops in the rain : )

[disgruntled]

It would appear but not announced yet, that a deal has been finally agreed with all parties involved in the lease of Oriel Park. If this is correct, the club can look at all options of much needed redevelopment and hopefully focus on the priority, the changing of the pitch.

Another issue though is levies being sought by Louth Co Co it appears, although these were from the previous regime, this might be a massive stumbling block to get over.

If true then that's great news for Dundalk.
The next problem will be getting planning permission for any sort of decent development at the stadium.
I hear Louth Co Co have put in a special order for a large consignment of red tape from Viking :)

[Longfordian]

Any word on potentially increased stock of minerals and crisps?



Whichever smart buck says they won't need them because we're not going to be visiting is bringing a plague upon their house.

[sbgawa]

Any word on potentially increased stock of minerals and crisps?



Whichever smart buck says they won't need them because we're not going to be visiting is bringing a plague upon their house.

Always the cup! In the unlikely event that you don't do a limerick from here... (and complete the job in the playoff)

[ToberonaTornado]

You spoke to soon Oriel.

"No resolution in sight as Oriel Park lease saga rumbles on"


http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/sport/217286/no-resolution-is-sight-as-oriel-park-lease-saga-rumbles-on.html

[Longfordian]

A little public pressure on the council there to do a deal on the outstanding rates.

[ger121]

Surely Dundalk may a profit on the Legia game at home to offset some of those costs?

[jinxy lilywhite]

Awaiting circa 200k from ticketmaster that they haven't paid over.

[jinxy lilywhite]

If true then that's great news for Dundalk.
The next problem will be getting planning permission for any sort of decent development at the stadium.
I hear Louth Co Co have put in a special order for a large consignment of red tape from Viking :)

I think the most suprising part in the grand old lady of oriels history is that there have been more cork entities/franchises in its time that actual Irish presidents

[White Horse]

Surely Dundalk may a profit on the Legia game at home to offset some of those costs?

Louth Council are looking for €450k in planning levies for the large shed in Oriel Park. If the club take over the lease from the previous owner they want to get this cash from the club.

[The Donie Forde]

I think the most suprising part in the grand old lady of oriels history is that there have been more cork entities/franchises in its time that actual Irish presidents

Much more failed Dublin clubs in the same period, but sure keep on ignoring that.

[jinxy lilywhite]

Jaysus you can't even come out on top in that :p

[Ezeikial]

You spoke to soon Oriel.

"No resolution in sight as Oriel Park lease saga rumbles on"


http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/news/sport/217286/no-resolution-is-sight-as-oriel-park-lease-saga-rumbles-on.html



Apart from the headline news, the interview suggests that the retained profit from the Euro adventure could be a lot less then many thought



GMCL: When those costs are fully added up, how much, in total, will be taken from the prize money?

MC: My honest answer? I don’t know. All these costs are ongoing but I would expect maybe in the region of €3 million but I can’t say that for certain. We really haven’t had that much time to think about it because we’ve been that busy.

[sbgawa]

Apart from the headline news, the interview suggests that the retained profit from the Euro adventure could be a lot less then many thought

If I was them playing hardball with the council over rates etc, the owner of the ground over a settlement figure and the players over new contracts I'd be playing it down too.

[White Horse]

If I was them playing hardball with the council over rates etc, the owner of the ground over a settlement figure and the players over new contracts I'd be playing it down too.

There is no way that the Europa League will cost Dundalk €3m. This is just a negotiating tactic.

[pineapple stu]

I guess it depends how much of a bonus the players negotiated for themselves, but yeah, you'd imagine it's nonsense.

Is it 5.7m (as stated) or 6.7m (as I thought we had here) they get?

[Dodge]

Prize money so far
CL 2nd round; €300k
CL 3rd Round; €400k
CL play off; €3mill
For not reaching CL groups: €500k
EL group stage: €2.4mill
Group draw: €120k

So... so far they've earned €6.72 million in prize money

(they've also had home gates from the 3 games they've played of course)

[disgruntled]

I think the most suprising part in the grand old lady of oriels history is that there have been more cork entities/franchises in its time that actual Irish presidents


Much more failed Dublin clubs in the same period, but sure keep on ignoring that.

That's because Dundalk have all their players.
If you look at the Dundalk squad the majority are Dubs.
No wonder there are no decent Dublin teams.
When Dublin City folded they moved to Dundalk :)

[eamoss]

New dugouts in Tallaght Stadium

http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF675/1222831.jpg
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/1222831/

Did Dundalk have to pay for these or was in included in the rental of the stadium I wonder?

[nigel-harps1954]

Just to say, Tallaght looked immense tonight.

[jinxy lilywhite]

New dugouts in Tallaght Stadium

http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF675/1222831.jpg
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/1222831/

Did Dundalk have to pay for these or was in included in the rental of the stadium I wonder?

Afaik dundalk had to pay. Shamrock Rovers you're welcome

[Charlie Darwin]

Afaik dundalk had to pay. Shamrock Rovers you're welcome
Don't worry, if it's anything like the EA Sports Cup final in Oriel you've to pay for them but they'll rip them up again once you're finished with them.

Actually, not quite analogous. If it was UEFA would have told Dundalk they can't sit in the dugout and have to sit on the edge of the pitch instead.

[Nesta99]

Just to say, Tallaght looked immense tonight.

Pitch was immaculate!! I am changing my opinion on Tallaght - feel right at home there these days....

[patrickccfc]

New dugouts in Tallaght Stadium

http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF675/1222831.jpg
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/1222831/

Did Dundalk have to pay for these or was in included in the rental of the stadium I wonder?

They passed UEFA standards, but more importantly Kenny Shiels still has to approve

[fionnsci]

There was also a section of black seats in the main stand that I've never seen before, are these new VIP seats perhaps? They look out of place with the random smatterings of green, white, yellow and red.

[jinxy lilywhite]

I think they were covers with cushions for the suits

[eamoss]

There was also a section of black seats in the main stand that I've never seen before, are these new VIP seats perhaps? They look out of place with the random smatterings of green, white, yellow and red.


I think they were covers with cushions for the suits

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctc3g9jW8AANMmk.jpg
via https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/status/781154135391477760

[JDsJocks]

It'll be a very good stadium when DCC finish the other two stands.

Gives a good alternative to the Aviva and Dundalk or whoever won't be moaning about gate figures too low when playing in Europe

[RathfarnhamHoop]

It'll be a very good stadium when DCC finish the other two stands.

Gives a good alternative to the Aviva and Dundalk or whoever won't be moaning about gate figures too low when playing in Europe

Sorry to be pedantic but its actually the SDCC's stadium. They're starting the process of building a 3rd stand now but I think we're a while away from 4 stands.

[Enruoblehs]

Statement from Shelbourne FC Board of Management
http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news/4162/

[ForzaHoop]

Its a great move once the Stadium is complete but shame as I always liked Tolka
Now we need Donegal CC to get a move on ground for Harps :)

[Kingdom]

The first time being in Tolka was for a friendly v Spurs on an absolutely poxy midweek night in winter. Tolka could have been a great community ground, but I was pretty shocked by how bad it was the last time I was there (about 2 yrs ago). I remember going to see Shels vs Cork which was a league decider about 10 yrs ago, standing on the riverside stand with the Cork fans, and a better atmosphere you could not want.

However, if it means a state-of-the-art Dalymount, and a flourishing Bohs on the Northside, then I'll gladly see Tolka go down the swanny.

[El-Pietro]

I'll miss Tolka, and the Riverside in particular. Some great days in there. I still say this is a positive move for both clubs though in the long term, as long as the new stadium is designed to help create an atmosphere. I think that is massive for the growth of Irish clubs.
I can understand why Shels fans would not like this but Tolka is crumbling and there is no benefit to staying there.

[White Horse]

I've fond memories of Tolka Park. When I started going to Dundalk games with my Dad in the 70's, Tolka was one of the away games we always took in. Of course, it was Home Farm then. They had a lovely side back then and played a great brand of football.

Tolka Park is part of LOI heritage and it is sad to see it go.

[Philosophizer]

According to the42 (http://www.the42.ie/shelbourne-bohemians-dalymount-park-3008986-Oct2016/)...
Construction work on Dalymount Park is unlikely to begin until 2018 or 2019 with the first phase of the redevelopment involving the installation of an artificial pitch and the construction of a new 4,500-seater main stand.

Club offices, a warm-up area, community rooms and a new ‘Hall of Fame’ museum will also be housed in the stand while the plans include new entrances to the ground from St Peter’s Road and Connaught Street.
The construction of seating behind both goals, and a second stand on the Connaught Street side, will only commence following the redevelopment of the neighbouring Phibsborough Shopping Centre.


The last paragraph is what worries me. I hope i'm wrong, but I think we'll be waiting about 10 years to see anything more than 1 stand at the new Dalyer.

[fionnsci]

One stand of that size would be a death knell for any atmosphere at the new stadium. It would be intolerably stupid to build such a big stand - it would be half empty even on a good day, would look terribly empty on tv, and trough its mediocre atmopshere, would discourage reattendance. Is i too early to submit to any of the involved parties that if this plan is true then their making a terrible mistake?

[Kingdom]

I read elsewhere that the ground is being moved 90deg, so if they were to do up the Peter's St side, then couldn't the current Jodi be retained until further redevelopment is possible/feasible.

I had hoped that the reconstruction would involve the current National school using the premises which I believe would be a better use of space. Really the FAI/DCC need to make this work properly. There are so many good examples abroad of properly planned stadia. It cannot be that hard to follow.

[nigel-harps1954]

An excellent statement by Shelbourne it has to be said. Although it's gone into disrepair, I think we'll all miss Tolka really. It has it's place in Irish footballing history, and it's been home to some magical nights for many clubs over the years.

Will Bohs be moving to Tolka next year during redevelopment?

[Philosophizer]

Will Bohs be moving to Tolka next year during redevelopment?

That's the plan anyway, according to the Irish Sun (http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/sport/irishfootball/7230615/Shelbourne-and-Bohemians-groundsharing-deal-moves-closer.html)

"It [Dalyer] will be levelled in October 2017 after Bohs’ final home game of the season. It is envisaged the two clubs will groundshare at Tolka for the 2018 and 2019 seasons at least."