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At a guess, I'd say Jackman doesn't have the access to be developed into a ground with significant capacity.
Also, the new Harps ground will be owned by the Finn Harps Trustees- a separate legal entity to the club itself.
nigel-harps1954
15/12/2014, 11:45 AM
Always felt Jackman had the potential to be developed into a fairly nice ground but certainly the one entrance doesn't help it.
I had thought Harps stadium was owned by a branch of the co-op, the ground development committee?
Acornvilla
15/12/2014, 11:49 AM
Always felt Jackman had the potential to be developed into a fairly nice ground but certainly the one entrance doesn't help it.
I had thought Harps stadium was owned by a branch of the co-op, the ground development committee?
The row of mouldy abandoned housing needs tearing down for one, if anything was to be done with Jackman. I've no clue who owns that however. It's a bit of a tight squeeze to turn it into anything without those houses being gotten rid of. From then it's nearly a case of starting from scratch, all they really have is a pitch and floodlights, with some very basic infrastructure. It's the Markets field with a smaller stand and no room to expand.
nigel-harps1954
15/12/2014, 12:00 PM
The row of mouldy abandoned housing needs tearing down for one, if anything was to be done with Jackman. I've no clue who owns that however. It's a bit of a tight squeeze to turn it into anything without those houses being gotten rid of. From then it's nearly a case of starting from scratch, all they really have is a pitch and floodlights, with some very basic infrastructure. It's the Markets field with a smaller stand and no room to expand.
Suppose it's a bit of a pointless discussion at this stage, but the grass banks around the far side of the ground had a bit of space to build a nice little stand and behind both goals has plenty of space from memory.
Mind you, last time I was in Jackman, I was incredibly inebriated and memory of the ground is hazy.
I think League of Ireland clubs will struggle to get any funding for their own private stadium which will solely benefit them.
That's because of the FAI though, who have a hand in supporting (if not deciding) where the monies going to football are assigned. It doesn't appear to be a problem in other sports. The GAA have no trouble getting grants for what are by this definition of private stadia, with a constitution that means that some other sports can't even rent the facilities off them! What's the difference between a member owned football club and members owned GAA club?
Charlie Darwin
15/12/2014, 2:23 PM
You realise Finn Harps new stadium will be owned by Finn Harps?
Think JC means they'll struggle to get government/FAI grants for stadiums that are for only their benefit. Harps stadium was entirely funded from the sale of the old stadium, wasn't it?
nigel-harps1954
15/12/2014, 2:46 PM
Think JC means they'll struggle to get government/FAI grants for stadiums that are for only their benefit. Harps stadium was entirely funded from the sale of the old stadium, wasn't it?
Partly funded by sale of Finn Park. Government grants account for a large proportion of costs far as I'm aware.
nigel-harps1954
17/12/2014, 12:50 PM
Mr Delaney and Co. down at the Markets Field today. Looks in pristine condition.
https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1555299_10152857010228886_5657380369331270676_n.jp g?oh=26f92035aac4e7caa5892ac5cf2f5af1&oe=550934B1
Latest I can see anywhere of the stadium is LEDP website, with photos from early November.
http://www.ledp.ie/news/markets-field-stadium-redevelopment-moves-a-step-closer-with-tenders-being-sought-for-construction-phase/
punkrocket
17/12/2014, 3:39 PM
Ruction phase... tee hee hee.
ger121
17/12/2014, 4:05 PM
What's the situation with away fans in MF for next season? Might go down for season opener. Great City for a weekend away.
Jofspring
17/12/2014, 5:23 PM
Last we heard they were building a little stand behind the goals for away fans. There will be seats and the terrace will be out in the open. A few lads said the plans for the stand have it about the width of the 6 yard box and the roof won't actually provide protection from the rain.
Martinho II
17/12/2014, 5:28 PM
lookin forward to visitin markets field next season! I have being in Rathbane and beside the railway station! is it far from the railway station?
Cuyahoga
17/12/2014, 9:05 PM
Casement Park refused planning by the Court in Belfast. I feel myself it was a bit too big but with so much public money going into it, the view was "build it and they will come" I suppose. I know it is not a soccer ground; but anyone who saw the rte news item last night would notice how quickly grounds can fall into a poor state if maintenance is not done.
I have no sympathy for Ulster GAA and Casement park in been refused planning permission. Ulster GAA clubs voted against Croke Park opening up to Soccer and Rugby when landsdowne Road was been redeveloped. Also the way the GAA behaved with regard to Tallaght stadium doing their best to stop ' Association Football ' been played there was disgraceful . What goes around comes around.
Jofspring
17/12/2014, 11:01 PM
lookin forward to visitin markets field next season! I have being in Rathbane and beside the railway station! is it far from the railway station?
No its not too far from the station. Probably talking about 15 walk at a slow place. Make it in 10 minutes.
pateen
18/12/2014, 1:04 PM
What's the situation with away fans in MF for next season? Might go down for season opener. Great City for a weekend away.
Plenty of hot birds as well :D
wonder88
18/12/2014, 8:38 PM
With Limerick playing on Saturday next season I hope to get to a few games in the Market fields. Thomand was a great venue to watch a game of soccer in, but it was not suitable for the crowds Limerick get.
brendy_éire
29/12/2014, 3:30 PM
Crues certainly look to be getting their act together. Brand new stand and centre of excellence on the way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30623607
Meanwhile in Derry, we can't even find a regular place for our U21 team to play.
Nesta99
29/12/2014, 5:25 PM
"Crusaders say the scheme comprises two full-sized 3G pitches, small sided games pitches, multi-use games areas, a changing pavilion and limited spectator facilities".
The key term for any succesful sports capital grant application and why most GAA applications include halls marked out for Basketball/Badminton/indoor 'soccer' etc but yet never seem to have any of these hosted!
Charlie Darwin
29/12/2014, 5:42 PM
Ah, so that's why the GAA were so insistent on Tallaght being open to all sports. They were trying to help the council with their grant application!
Mr_Parker
30/12/2014, 10:55 AM
Crues certainly look to be getting their act together. Brand new stand and centre of excellence on the way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30623607
Meanwhile in Derry, we can't even find a regular place for our U21 team to play.
Your U21's will be able to hire Institutes new pitch. It's not just Crusaders and Institute either. A host of clubs have recently put in planning applications for various upgrades, new stands, floodlights and numerous artificial pitches. They include
Distillery
Larne
Crusaders
H & W Welders
Dollingstown
Warrenpoint
Dungannon
Glenavon
Institute
Tobermore
Bangor
And several more applications appear to be in the pipeline.
nigel-harps1954
30/12/2014, 11:52 AM
Derry could just sell that stupidly nonsensical tv screen they spent ridiculous money and put that towards some sort of ground improvements.
Nesta99
30/12/2014, 12:33 PM
Your U21's will be able to hire Institutes new pitch. It's not just Crusaders and Institute either. A host of clubs have recently put in planning applications for various upgrades, new stands, floodlights and numerous artificial pitches. They include
Distillery
Larne
Crusaders
H & W Welders
Dollingstown
Warrenpoint
Dungannon
Glenavon
Institute
Tobermore
Bangor
And several more applications appear to be in the pipeline.
Good idea! Had better get in quick before London funding for NI drys up.
SeanDMRooney
31/12/2014, 1:06 AM
Which to be fair is what I thought was finding potential brandy well work ?
LFC Blue
31/12/2014, 2:42 PM
Artist impression of the markets field here.....https://www.facebook.com/Marketsfield/posts/634377093356053:0
SeanDMRooney
31/12/2014, 3:00 PM
Big massive poles must be a disappointment
nigel-harps1954
31/12/2014, 3:27 PM
Have to say, that looks fantastic. The pictures are a bit small, so detail isn't easy to spot, but it looks really good and would turn out a great LOI ground if it ended up like that. Plenty of room for expansion too. The fact they're calling it 'current phase' as opposed to 'when finished' is also encouraging.
Jofspring
31/12/2014, 5:20 PM
Must say the artist impression looks good and gives a much better idea what we are looking at.
The expected weather could cause serious problems though. I wouldn't be surprised if the first few games only one or two sides are open with capacity limited. It was done in Thomond Park at the time of redevelopment there.
brendy_éire
02/01/2015, 12:21 PM
Mentioned earlier, stadium developments in Derry (http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.uk/news/local-news/riverside-4g-and-changing-room-plans-1-6494632). Not at the Brandywell though.
Stute struggle to get over 200 at a match, but they're managing to create a great wee ground.
adamd164
02/01/2015, 1:04 PM
Crues certainly look to be getting their act together. Brand new stand and centre of excellence on the way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30623607
I was at their ground for a Setanta game a couple of seasons back and was well impressed with the setup they already have.. very tidy ground with a decent club bar to boot.
avvenalaf
02/01/2015, 1:54 PM
I was at their ground for a Setanta game a couple of seasons back and was well impressed with the setup they already have.. very tidy ground with a decent club bar to boot.
See, you can't let them Cork fans in anywhere. They'll always wreck the joint.
Mr_Parker
02/01/2015, 9:30 PM
I was at their ground for a Setanta game a couple of seasons back and was well impressed with the setup they already have.. very tidy ground with a decent club bar to boot.
You must have been lost. They don't have a bar!
Finlay Harp
02/01/2015, 10:09 PM
You must have been lost. They don't have a bar!
Yes they do.
Charlie Darwin
02/01/2015, 10:37 PM
Cliftonville-Crusaders relations hit an all-time low as the Reds discover Crues have been concealing an entire bar from them.
brendy_éire
03/01/2015, 10:48 AM
Yes they do.
Cheap pints and a photo of the queen of England on the wall. What more could you want?
redobit
03/01/2015, 3:12 PM
Cheap pints and a photo of the queen of England on the wall. What more could you want?
... the marching band music was the highlight.
Decent ground is Seaview. Is there a need for a new stand??
SwanVsDalton
03/01/2015, 5:47 PM
Derry could just sell that stupidly nonsensical tv screen they spent ridiculous money and put that towards some sort of ground improvements.
How much did we spend on it?
Don't worry I'll tell you - nothing. It was already owned by our chairman and his business. Swing and a miss. Try another baseless wind-up.
Finlay Harp
03/01/2015, 9:11 PM
How much did we spend on it?
Don't worry I'll tell you - nothing. It was already owned by our chairman and his business. Swing and a miss. Try another baseless wind-up.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooooow!
wonder88
03/01/2015, 11:22 PM
Story in the Sindo about Dalymount and Tolka, seems that a ground share is possibly on the way for Bohs and Shels with Dublin City Council providing the money and project management if report accurate. Tolka would disappear and Dalymount would be saved as a soccer venue, which I suppose is a reasonable outcome after the awful mess that the two clubs have made of their affairs. Still sad that another LoI ground may go. Hope we get to a situation soon where all LoI grounds are in public ownership and that it will not be possible to take out loans secured on them. Also it would be logical to have Pats share with Shamrock R, whenever the loan on Richmond Park is resolved/paid back?
SeanDMRooney
03/01/2015, 11:30 PM
Story in the Sindo about Dalymount and Tolka, seems that a ground share is possibly on the way for Bohs and Shels with Dublin City Council providing the money and project management if report accurate. Tolka would disappear and Dalymount would be saved as a soccer venue, which I suppose is a reasonable outcome after the awful mess that the two clubs have made of their affairs. Still sad that another LoI ground may go. Hope we get to a situation soon where all LoI grounds are in public ownership and that it will not be possible to take out loans secured on them. Also it would be logical to have Pats share with Shamrock R, whenever the loan on Richmond Park is resolved/paid back?
Why would Pats want to share with Rovers ?
Any link to the article in question ?
Longfordian
03/01/2015, 11:37 PM
https://twitter.com/chippie1974/status/551527161069580289/photo/1
Looks like whoever is owed €7m by Shels will be out of luck if this goes ahead. Accolade Ltd has the lease on Tolka, that was the old company that ran Shels in Ollie's time if I remember rightly. Wonder who the current directors are? What security do the people, Ossie Kilkenny and others apparently, who advanced money to Ollie on the strength of a ground sale have?
Bohs will be relatively ok if they can get the various institutions to accept the deal though it's hardly in their best interests to do so with the Dublin property market picking up again.
Eminence Grise
04/01/2015, 11:23 AM
According to this site - http://www.businessbarometer.ie/Risk-Management/Accolade-Limited-106863 - Eamonn White, Richard Campbell, Brian Nathan, Andrew Byrne and Oliver Byrne are listed as Shels directors.
A rebuilt Dalymount would be fantastic, though it would be a shame to see Tolka Park go. But it would have to be a proper rebuild. A bit of a stand here and a bit of a stand there and sure we might have a few bob to put in a bit of roof someday would be unacceptable. It's such a heavily residential area I'd fear any plans would be watered down by objections and a pishy 5-6k ground might be the outcome. Cue the 'sure they'll never fill that anyway' argument. I think a 10-12k seats would fit on the site and could be a flagship ground for the league.
SeanDMRooney
04/01/2015, 12:29 PM
http://www.independent.ie/business/football-stadium-to-sell-for-3m-as-nama-in-talks-30880047.html
Article in question apparently Joe is denying the contents of it I heard
Nesta99
04/01/2015, 12:45 PM
Swing and a miss. Try another baseless wind-up.
Looks like a home run to me!
Mr_Parker
04/01/2015, 1:45 PM
Yes they do.
Not at the ground they don't??
nigel-harps1954
04/01/2015, 4:02 PM
According to this site - http://www.businessbarometer.ie/Risk-Management/Accolade-Limited-106863 - Eamonn White, Richard Campbell, Brian Nathan, Andrew Byrne and Oliver Byrne are listed as Shels directors.
A rebuilt Dalymount would be fantastic, though it would be a shame to see Tolka Park go. But it would have to be a proper rebuild. A bit of a stand here and a bit of a stand there and sure we might have a few bob to put in a bit of roof someday would be unacceptable. It's such a heavily residential area I'd fear any plans would be watered down by objections and a pishy 5-6k ground might be the outcome. Cue the 'sure they'll never fill that anyway' argument. I think a 10-12k seats would fit on the site and could be a flagship ground for the league.
Would love to see Dalymount return to it's former glory. Fix up the existing stands, re-open the railway end, and fill in the horrible big gap left by demolishing half a stand and have a proper 15,000 all-seater that could be a secondary international ground as well as the flagship LOI ground. It's nothing less than a ground like Dalymount deserves.
PartySaint
04/01/2015, 5:16 PM
Also it would be logical to have Pats share with Shamrock R, whenever the loan on Richmond Park is resolved/paid back?
No!!!
Not at the ground they don't??
Yes they do...
toffeejay
04/01/2015, 7:37 PM
Would love to see Dalymount return to it's former glory. Fix up the existing stands, re-open the railway end, and fill in the horrible big gap left by demolishing half a stand and have a proper 15,000 all-seater that could be a secondary international ground as well as the flagship LOI ground. It's nothing less than a ground like Dalymount deserves.
Is there enough access in place to allow for 15k stadium within modern regulations? The exit gates at the back on the away stand and in the corner onto Connaught Street would suit but I'd imagine H/S would be all over the narrow alleys behind the Jody.
marinobohs
05/01/2015, 2:20 PM
Is there enough access in place to allow for 15k stadium within modern regulations? The exit gates at the back on the away stand and in the corner onto Connaught Street would suit but I'd imagine H/S would be all over the narrow alleys behind the Jody.
......strange, as the only part currently in use is the 'narrow alleys behind the Jodi'
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