Stadium Updates (All Clubs)

[outspoken]

Bars are critical for income, and I was always surprised Cork didn’t look at building one with the help of the MFA, but I do realise there is limited space in their ground, with most of the stands having same limiations underneath.

Dundalk could have 3 supporters bars up and running next season if their plans to upgrade the YDC go ahead, the owners were talking last month about changing the routine where most fans arrive 10 mins or so before KO to improve their ‘match day experience’ and having one open for use in the YDC would cater for that whole shed side in terms of toliets and better food options, they even talked about pre and post match entertainment.

Would still love to see some spectator remedial work done, the town side of the stand looks dreadful, a lick of paint would change it, and if they won’t spend big money elsewhere, install a damn roof on both sides of the stand, and block off the back of the away area, build proper toilets, it wouldn’t completely fix the problem but it would help things and it wouldn’t cost the earth, neither would a Pats style semi-perm stand behind the town goal, even without a roof.

I think creating a match day experience ie bar open at 5pm, music on before and after is a fantastic idea and opening the YDC would definitely increase income as it’s a nightmare trying to get across from the shed to the Lilywhite for a pint. Bar did a killing at the European game this year when it was open and as you said, nice to have proper toilets to use

[RathfarnhamHoop]

http://www.extratime.ie/articles/22040/tallaght-stadium-set-for-fourth-stand/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Plans for a new stand and improvements to the main stand in Tallaght have been put forward and seem to have been well received.

[sidewayspasser]

Has the recently built stand officially been opened yet or will that happen at the start of the new season?

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Has the recently built stand officially been opened yet or will that happen at the start of the new season?

No it hasn't been opened yet. Probably happen in pre season or first game of the season

[mcgonigle]

http://www.extratime.ie/articles/22040/tallaght-stadium-set-for-fourth-stand/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Plans for a new stand and improvements to the main stand in Tallaght have been put forward and seem to have been well received.

It would be fantastic to have such a stadium associated with the league but I wonder what the justification is for a 4th stand? What was the justification for the 3rd stand? At a time when homelessness and the health service are major issues I'm surprised it's being supported. Also the article mentions SDCC using the Governments major sports infrastructure fund, again what is the justification for this given there are so many dilapidated stadiums around the league?

I don't expect you to have all these answers btw.

[sbgawa]

I take your point but its the same justification as building Dalymount or indeed Croke Park or the Aviva, if we don't build anything in this country until everyone has a house and there are no waiting times in hospitals we will never build anything.
That sounds very harsh and i don't mean it too but genuinely a stadium like this has to be a massive positive for the league and its not like every other sport from horceracing to Greyhounds isnt out there.

[Buller]

It would be fantastic to have such a stadium associated with the league but I wonder what the justification is for a 4th stand? What was the justification for the 3rd stand? At a time when homelessness and the health service are major issues I'm surprised it's being supported. Also the article mentions SDCC using the Governments major sports infrastructure fund, again what is the justification for this given there are so many dilapidated stadiums around the league?

I don't expect you to have all these answers btw.

I think a major part of the justification is that recently it was taking rather long to get served prosecco & caviar during half time in the Glenmalure Suite. Adding another floor above the Glenmalure Suite in the main stand will further enhance the match day experience; providing for faster access to alcohol and refreshments, more comfortable surroundings for potentially very thirsty hoops, and just a nice cosy area to recharge for the second half. A welcome bonus is that the new floor might have windows to view proceedings in the warmth of an indoor setting. Might never need to venture out into the cold at all! Very much needed and long overdue in my opinion.

As for another stand? Desperately needed. I can only speak for myself when I say I felt felt quite claustrophobic during some of the bigger games, having only one seat free beside me with which to hang my faux fur coat on was an absolute 'mare. As well as additional space, it will finish the stadium off, ease that dreadful northerly draught, and make for a more splendid spectacle.
Projections estimate it will be used once every three blue moons, so definitely a valuable addition and will earn the club extra money for big matches. Besides, 10k seater just seems like a more round, nicer figure than 8k seater. You cant have enough lego seats.

[mcgonigle]

I take your point but its the same justification as building Dalymount or indeed Croke Park or the Aviva, if we don't build anything in this country until everyone has a house and there are no waiting times in hospitals we will never build anything.
That sounds very harsh and i don't mean it too but genuinely a stadium like this has to be a massive positive for the league and its not like every other sport from horceracing to Greyhounds isnt out there.

I don't disagree with that, I'm just surprised it seems to be getting the go ahead so easily, probably because I'm so used to LOI related infrastructure plans derailing. Lets hope other CC's take note and are as successful with approval and funding

[mcgonigle]

I think a major part of the justification is that recently it was taking rather long to get served prosecco & caviar during half time in the Glenmalure Suite. Adding another floor above the Glenmalure Suite in the main stand will further enhance the match day experience; providing for faster access to alcohol and refreshments, more comfortable surroundings for potentially very thirsty hoops, and just a nice cosy area to recharge for the second half. A welcome bonus is that the new floor might have windows to view proceedings in the warmth of an indoor setting. Might never need to venture out into the cold at all! Very much needed and long overdue in my opinion.

As for another stand? Desperately needed. I can only speak for myself when I say I felt felt quite claustrophobic during some of the bigger games, having only one seat free beside me with which to hang my faux fur coat on was an absolute 'mare. As well as additional space, it will finish the stadium off, ease that dreadful northerly draught, and make for a more splendid spectacle.
Projections estimate it will be used once every three blue moons, so definitely a valuable addition and will earn the club extra money for big matches. Besides, 10k seater just seems like a more round, nicer figure than 8k seater. You cant have enough lego seats.

Maybe they have another main tenant who can make better use of all these new facilities in their sights?

[Dalymountrower]

Maybe they have another main tenant who can make better use of all these new facilities in their sights?

Dundalk re branding as Tallaght Oriels or Leinster Lilywhites?


Anyway , good for SDCC in having a bit of ambition in developing sports facilities to a high standard.

[jbyrne]

Anyway , good for SDCC in having a bit of ambition in developing sports facilities to a high standard.

one of their facilities. from my playing days (not that long ago) there was hardly a changing room facility at a SDCC owned pitch anywhere.
DLRCC and DCC were miles ahead and id say its still the same today

[Buller]

I don't disagree with that, I'm just surprised it seems to be getting the go ahead so easily, probably because I'm so used to LOI related infrastructure plans derailing. Lets hope other CC's take note and are as successful with approval and funding

Yeah exactly. Here's hoping the other CC's take note of what can be done. It has no doubt encouraged DCC to take a hands-on approach to developing their own rival facility on the northside in the form of Dalymount.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

It would be fantastic to have such a stadium associated with the league but I wonder what the justification is for a 4th stand? What was the justification for the 3rd stand? At a time when homelessness and the health service are major issues I'm surprised it's being supported. Also the article mentions SDCC using the Governments major sports infrastructure fund, again what is the justification for this given there are so many dilapidated stadiums around the league?

I don't expect you to have all these answers btw.

It's a completely separate budget so I guess the justification is we have it now let's use it and get the foot firmly in the door before Dalymount as the 4th stand will put tallaght at a bigger capacity than Dalymount can reach and mean its in a very reasonable "complete" state so SDCC could make a very good case for being the home of the u21s and womens teams since Dalymounts only claim over them would be the mens first team played there 30 years ago and its closer to the City.
As for the sports infrastructure fund, its pretty much everyone for themselves with that, SDCC can't apply but say "but if Dundalk apply and aren't successful and we are give them the money instead". The question you're asking is better aimed at the people in charge of the fund than the applicants

[Nesta99]

The sports capital funding is allocated by government so ringfenced. Whether the amount, which I think is paltry tbh, is ethical considering the housing shortage is a big debate in itself. One of the errors of the past was to have major housing developments without proper amenities included. Justification of having a proper stadium built by SDCC i'm sure is that they feel that it will generate significant income in due course. We should be lauding SDCC's vision and ambition on this project and should be something that is referred to for other local authorities to follow, especially if done in a manner where beyond the initial capital outlay that such facilities add to the council's coffers. It's not just the income that these facilities can generate though but the opportunity for contributing a focal point for these societies, improving social inclusion etc, there are lots of intangible benefits!

It's very true that this funding is available for anybody to apply to. Having a successful application where a project isnt piecemeal should be Local Authority led. This would lessen the duplication of projects whereby one fully completed project should happen rather than a number of bitty facilities. GAA projects are the worst for this where the parochial nature of that organisation leads to clubs genuinely building unnecessary stands or 'community centres' sometimes only a few KM's apart but none funded to the extent where the facilities are actually complete so they can properly contribute the the improved quality of that community after being done under a restrictive budget.

I dont know why Dundalk are not applying for these grants annually though im presuming that there might be reasons - I do know that there have been regular meetings between Louth County Council and the club so there is probably something in the pipeline. I would think that these meetings are less to do with being part of a completely new stadium project and more to do with ironing out any possible planning issues so that when grant applications are made followed by planning applications that the grant can be drawn down and not be lost due to any planning restrictions (the wedge of grant money wasted on changing the new Finn Park is a good example for why this is needed). The attitude of LCC is shown pretty loud in the way that the County Ground project has now stalled even though funding has been secured. Alternatively they are right behind the redvelopment of the Lourdes Stadium in Drogheda for Drogheda United. There are a lot of advantages of getting United Park vacated for the HSE to be able to use that land. Ideally moving O'Raghallaighs GFC (and that excuse for a County Ground) which backs on to United Park would allow OLOL hospital expand to be fit for purpose rather than being landlocked as it is now. It is this that has LCC willing to be proactive in a stadium development for DUFC.

All stadium development for LoI should be seen in nothing but a positive light. GAA and IRFU have had the greatest slice of sports capital funding for decades so it is time for football and athletics to get facilities funding. Actually there is an example here where the Dalymount project can be questioned, taking away the sentimental attachment to Dalymount for football fans, it would make more sense to me to develop Morten Stadium fully and could accomodate Bohs and Shels while also being a proper home for Irish athletics also. That wont go down too well with Bohs fans but the potential is there to consolidate funding in to one project and make a really top job of it. But DCC and FCC are unlikely to want to groundshare if you pardon the pun.

Without an overall strategy from the FAI on stadium development we will continue to have new one stand 'improvements' like Athlone, half built one stand grounds like in Stranrolar and indeed Tallaght still if it wasnt for SDCC intervention. Any improvements that have been made over the last deacde or 2 have been despite of the FAI and not because of. So it grinds my gears when you see Delaney alluding to Turners Cross, Brandywell, Showgraounds, Tallaght as an achievement or committment to the league. DCC will develop Dalymount and the suits in the FAI will roll up on its opening clapping themselves on the back.

[pesky]

Have Dundalk applied for any State funding to improve Oriel Park ?, be surprised if they didn't. I think I read somewhere that the new stand behind the goal in Tallaght cost in the region of €2 million, surely Dundalk could afford that with all the money they have banked over the last few years and with Champions League to come again next season. A new stand like that at Oriel Park would make a massive difference. Personally if I was a Dundalk fan I would be pretty annoyed with the lack of any infrastructural investment or at least future development plans or commitments from the club in working towards improving the ground.

[Nesta99]

Dundalk fans are pretty annoyed that even some painting hasnt been done. We hope that the regular meetings with Louth County Council means that there is something in the pipelines. I doubt it would be in conjunction with LCC, but the meetings could be to iron out any potential preplanning issues.

[placid casual]

Would Louth Co Co not just turn around and say to those fans " get your owners to do up the ground- they have the money"?

[Ezeikial]

Would Louth Co Co not just turn around and say to those fans " get your owners to do up the ground- they have the money"?

Probably, if the meetings were with fans

See Nesta's post above

[Charlie Darwin]

Would Louth Co Co not just turn around and say to those fans " get your owners to do up the ground- they have the money"?
Usually the way it works is the county council (any of them) will turn around and say "you have money - would you like more?"

[Nesta99]

Would Louth Co Co not just turn around and say to those fans " get your owners to do up the ground- they have the money"?

Im not sure what your angle is on this is really. That Rovers are 50% owned by a very wealthy vulture fund it could be argued that SDCC should ask Rovers (part) owners to pony up as they have the money also!?

[Charlie Darwin]

Im not sure what your angle is on this is really. That Rovers are 50% owned by a very wealthy vulture fund it could be argued that SDCC should ask Rovers (part) owners to pony up as they have the money also!?
Assuming you mean Pepper, they have nothing to do with the ownership of Shamrock Rovers. Wilson is a former employee of the company.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Im not sure what your angle is on this is really. That Rovers are 50% owned by a very wealthy vulture fund it could be argued that SDCC should ask Rovers (part) owners to pony up as they have the money also!?

You Dundalk fans never cease to amaze me with just how wrong you can be in such a short paragraph, it's quite a talent you guys have really.

[marinobohs]

Usually the way it works is the county council (any of them) will turn around and say "you have money - would you like more?"

Firstly further development of Tallaght is a good thing, for SDCC and for shams and, most importantly, for the League. There is ring fenced Government funding for sports ground development (administered I think by the Sports Council, with a lot of influence by FAI as funding covers football at all levels). Local authorities can apply to central Government for funding for a variety of community projects including sports stadia.

Public authorities also like the applicant to (where possible) contribute to the proposal although this is not mandatory.
To be fair SDCC have been very supportive in what can be a very long drawn out process (funding development) sometimes with a stop/start roll out as funding is made available/withdrawn. Historically, GAA and IRFU have been much better at hassling public representatives and accordingly have been more successful at getting the bulk of funds. it is fair to say it (accessing funds) is one area that has improved in the John Delaney FAI era.

[EatYerGreens]

it is fair to say it (accessing funds) is one area that has improved in the John Delaney FAI era.

It wouldn't be hard to be better than what went before, but I'd still challenge this assertion.

Delaney has been at the top of the FAI tree for 15yrs (?).

In that time, what has he and the FAI delivered that they can genuinely point to and say probably wouldn't have happened without them ?

Conversely - just look at all the false dawn developments we've had regarding stadia in the league across that period, that went nowhere or fell apart.

15yrs is more than enough time to have delivered some results in this regard. Where are they ?

[mcgonigle]

You Dundalk fans never cease to amaze me with just how wrong you can be in such a short paragraph, it's quite a talent you guys have really.

Is it a similar level of amazement to our perception of how gullible Rovers fans can be?

[Nesta99]

Assuming you mean Pepper, they have nothing to do with the ownership of Shamrock Rovers. Wilson is a former employee of the company.

Still a wealthy backer, well connected to the club sponsor. But
I get your point on not being to do with Rovers ownership my apologies. The point still stands though that any clubs with wealthy backers could all be told where to go when they go looking for public money for ground development. Rovers are lucky that SDCC saw an opportunity and had the courage and vision to take it. Louth CoCo?? Well money would squeal to get out of their coffers (unless its 25k spent on a single flowerbed in the county but thats a different story). It is a serious hope that meeting funding from public grants will be a way of drawing out investment from club owners and even possibly with county council contribution. To use the County Ground agains as an example, LCC could partnership in this development, minimise their cost to the project and have access to at least part of its income generation. But nah! Instead the fully funded project is being stalled by the council by attempts to rezone land for housing that is currently zoned for industrial/sporting/retail. The land in question is between a number of factories and a retail park so not ideal for residential. I dont get the logic but then few do including the elected reps who struggle to get budget breakdowns from theCeo/DoS's eg on a €25k flowerbed.....

[marinobohs]

It wouldn't be hard to be better than what went before, but I'd still challenge this assertion.

Delaney has been at the top of the FAI tree for 15yrs (?).

In that time, what has he and the FAI delivered that they can genuinely point to and say probably wouldn't have happened without them ?

Conversely - just look at all the false dawn developments we've had regarding stadia in the league across that period, that went nowhere or fell apart.

15yrs is more than enough time to have delivered some results in this regard. Where are they ?

Admittedly the bar was very low but in recent years the FAI have assisted many clubs at junior level to get grants that previously they did not have the expertise to access. LOI clubs have also received assistance and backing from the FAI in their efforts to access public money but how many clubs have looked for it ?
To be fair the FAI cant look for funding for properties they don't own but they can assist the owners in applying, that is my point. The improved junior facilities around the country are proof of this, there are lists of projects funded available from the Sports Council, football is vying with other sports for available funds and in recent years has had more success than previously.

[Nesta99]

Assistance for SCG applications is also something that Local Authorities offer via the Local Sports Partnerships, my job in a previous life. The issue I have with the FAI's assistance with junior clubs is multifaceted - undue credit given to the FAI ie Delaney which was motivated in propping up support for himself in the organisation which imo has held back the FAI and the development of domestic football. Their role in reality was mainly to endorse applications as being backed by the NGB. They had a tendency to withhold endorsement of an application if the club delegates didnt play ball at AGMs etc. The hard work done at grassroots a lot of the time is down to the efforts at local level eg local development officers rather than part of an overall development strategy. That has changed under Ruud Dokter with the roll out of coaching pathways and underage national leagues as examples. Beyond that there was far too much 'what's in it for us' when dealing with the FAI in an official capacity. So much so that the Sports Council were on the verge of blacklisting the FAI as eligible for grants including Sports Capital for their lack of transparency. It is no coincidence that the larger grants did not go to projects always on merit but on how influencial members of a club, from schoolboys to Junior football, were when it came to how the FAI executive were not being held accountable.
They may have been marginally better than when the clubs ran senior football but only due to their being the personal egenda of one man rather than the individual agendas of 22 clubs!

[EatYerGreens]

Admittedly the bar was very low but in recent years the FAI have assisted many clubs at junior level to get grants that previously they did not have the expertise to access. LOI clubs have also received assistance and backing from the FAI in their efforts to access public money but how many clubs have looked for it ?
To be fair the FAI cant look for funding for properties they don't own but they can assist the owners in applying, that is my point. The improved junior facilities around the country are proof of this, there are lists of projects funded available from the Sports Council, football is vying with other sports for available funds and in recent years has had more success than previously.

But this is all just indicative of John Delaney's model of power and patronage.

Assist and fund junior clubs around the country, making sure they know that he's the man who's watching their back. All the while starving the LOI. Why ? Because the league is the only potential power base that could challenge him (as happened to the FA in England, for example). It's straight out pf the Sepp Blatter playbook of lavishing resources on the little nations in order to deliver power. Can anyone give me any reason why the FAI offers such appallingly low prize money to our league ?

Delaney is climbing the UEFA and FIFA ladders. He needs a solid base in Ireland to enable him to continue doing that. The only folk with the potential to upset that are the LOI clubs, so he keeps them malnourished and divided (e.g. the PCA). All of which retains him in power and enables the greasy pole to be shimmied. Now that the ordinary fans are revolting against this model, his proposal is to wipe his hands of the league entirely. When what he should be doing is meeting the demands that the FAI funds and markets it properly instead.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Athlones new astro is down and just needs to settle before it can be put to use. Still baffled as to why they put it on the main pitch and not the back one.

[Nesta99]

Athlones new astro is down and just needs to settle before it can be put to use. Still baffled as to why they put it on the main pitch and not the back one.

The only reason that makes any sense is short/medium term savings on the cost of maintaining a grass pitch. As was the case with Dundalk those savings end up being spent on the eventual replacement surface. In our case we managed to eke out a lot longer lifespan of the original which did lead to savings. As soon as we started competing for promotion, then Europe, and had to worry about the surface in Europe then 2 have been relayed since iirc.

Athlone could do the same where they currently lie in LoI with minimal pitch maintenance done and the pitch can stay a lot longer than it technically should. When their stock eventually rises then they will have to deal with the worn out auld carpet. It should be noted that when our own artificial pitch was first layed we were seeking re-election to the league, propping up the 1st Division table and since have 4 leagues, 2 FAI Cups, 2 League Cups and 28 European matches circa €10mil in prizemoney and a dedicated Foot.ie thread to our magic carpet bouncy castle!....:D

[marinobohs]

But this is all just indicative of John Delaney's model of power and patronage.

Assist and fund junior clubs around the country, making sure they know that he's the man who's watching their back. All the while starving the LOI. Why ? Because the league is the only potential power base that could challenge him (as happened to the FA in England, for example). It's straight out pf the Sepp Blatter playbook of lavishing resources on the little nations in order to deliver power. Can anyone give me any reason why the FAI offers such appallingly low prize money to our league ?

Delaney is climbing the UEFA and FIFA ladders. He needs a solid base in Ireland to enable him to continue doing that. The only folk with the potential to upset that are the LOI clubs, so he keeps them malnourished and divided (e.g. the PCA). All of which retains him in power and enables the greasy pole to be shimmied. Now that the ordinary fans are revolting against this model, his proposal is to wipe his hands of the league entirely. When what he should be doing is meeting the demands that the FAI funds and markets it properly instead.

Couldn't argue with any of that. But as long as the league allows itself be pulled apart (and there is little indication of change) then snake oil merchants like Delaney will use and abuse it. historically clubs have shown they are incapable of maintaining the league and cannot be trusted to do so, some outside management is needed to develop but unfortunately Delaney et al will ensure that doesn't happen.
big clubs will never allow central contracting (even though the playing field and makes League more competitive) because it doesn't benefit them. clubs that have good facilities will block attempts to focus resources on ground facilities because there is no gain for them, think of any policy and a clubs response is - does it benefit us now ?As long as that remains the position clubs are incapable of managing the league.

Try these,

- all bar 10% of European earnings (after expenses) to be put in common pool for league promotion
- central contracts for all players with FAI and sub contracted out to clubs (FAI to cover insurance on wages).Draft system to be put in place.
- closer links with International set up with Ireland players to visit a LOI match prior/after each home International
- central contracting for provision of jerseys (including Bob Marley shirts ;))
- centralized league promotion (rather than individual club initiatives) and adherence to centralized plan to promote the League
- automatic deduction of points for delay in payment of player wages (by more than 3 weeks). operating licence permanently withdrawn after second offence in any season.

imagine the reaction.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

The only reason that makes any sense is short/medium term savings on the cost of maintaining a grass pitch. As was the case with Dundalk those savings end up being spent on the eventual replacement surface. In our case we managed to eke out a lot longer lifespan of the original which did lead to savings. As soon as we started competing for promotion, then Europe, and had to worry about the surface in Europe then 2 have been relayed since iirc.

Athlone could do the same where they currently lie in LoI with minimal pitch maintenance done and the pitch can stay a lot longer than it technically should. When their stock eventually rises then they will have to deal with the worn out auld carpet. It should be noted that when our own artificial pitch was first layed we were seeking re-election to the league, propping up the 1st Division table and since have 4 leagues, 2 FAI Cups, 2 League Cups and 28 European matches circa €10mil in prizemoney and a dedicated Foot.ie thread to our magic carpet bouncy castle!....:D

Artificial pitches are a bit of a juggling act maintenance wise, you can get around 10 years out of the carpet with good maintenance or 5 with very little. The main attraction is the maintenance doesn't increase with increased usage as much as it does with grass pitches.


Rovers have announced the new stand behind the goal will officially be the new 'singing section'. Makes sense though may annoy those that like the halfway line view and that the players can see them in the tunnel.

[sbgawa]

Had to happen, you cant be opening 3 stands and 8000 capacity with the costs of stewarding clean up etc when 2 stands is more than adequate for most matches.
Its F"""king ridiculous that our first home and away matches against Bohs are on Mondays and Tuesdays.
An early home match in Tallaght to open the new stand could have nearly sold out.

[Nailor]

Had to happen, you cant be opening 3 stands and 8000 capacity with the costs of stewarding clean up etc when 2 stands is more than adequate for most matches.
Its F"""king ridiculous that our first home and away matches against Bohs are on Mondays and Tuesdays.
An early home match in Tallaght to open the new stand could have nearly sold out.

Half of the East stand (bypass/Square end) will be open for away fans, Rovers will have all of the West and South stands.

[sbgawa]

I like the idea of having the away fans over in the East stand.
Sitting as i normally do in the west stand its impossible to see the away support and having them in the main stand creates massive seat kills when there is a large traveling support.

[Martinho II]

so are ye saying lads that where the away fans are in tallaght will have to move so?

[RathfarnhamHoop]

so are ye saying lads that where the away fans are in tallaght will have to move so?

Could we get that in English please?

[sbgawa]

The away fans are moving to the end of the East stand nearest the shopping centre.
Means the west stand and South stands will be home supporters only. Not sure if that will be for all games or just matches with a Bigish away support

[Ezeikial]

The away fans are moving to the end of the East stand nearest the shopping centre.
Means the west stand and South stands will be home supporters only. Not sure if that will be for all games or just matches with a Bigish away support

Are the toilets in the East Stand easy to close off to visiting fans?

[micls]

Tales from the East stand will need a rebrand?

[sbgawa]

Yeah I wonder will they change to tales from the south stand ��.
Only 36 more sleeps

[Charlie Darwin]

so are ye saying lads that where the away fans are in tallaght will have to move so?
It was only ever the ultras down there and they've decided themselves to move.


Are the toilets in the East Stand easy to close off to visiting fans?
They're being demolished and replaced with two portaloos.

[vinnie]

They're being demolished and replaced with two portaloos.

Second hand ones at that

[Nesta99]

Second hand ones at that

From Oriel Park...

[Martinho II]

Could we get that in English please?

dont be getting narky with me. I was asking a simple question. Just cos you are a home fan doenst give you the right to mock opposition fans. understood?

[Martinho II]

The away fans are moving to the end of the East stand nearest the shopping centre.
Means the west stand and South stands will be home supporters only. Not sure if that will be for all games or just matches with a Bigish away support

what stand were the away fans already in?

[joey B]

what stand were the away fans already in?

West stand.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

dont be getting narky with me. I was asking a simple question. Just cos you are a home fan doenst give you the right to mock opposition fans. understood?

Wasn't being narky your sentence literally made no sense

[ToberonaTornado]

It's his mad Longford accent that you caught out there RH.
us culchies knew full well what Martinho was talking abooot ;)