Stadium Updates (All Clubs) [Archive] - Page 68

seand

28/10/2014, 2:51 PM

The pitch looks awful under foot to be honest. Friday was the first time I was on the pitch in several years and it looks worn away to fook. There's a huge amount of football played on it and I believe it is at or near the end of it (un)natural life. I assume it'll be cheaper to relay/upgrade the artificial surface than go back to grass though, and it is a good source of income to the club.
It'll be interesting to see if we invest much in the ground. Hard to estimate how much return you'd get on spending five figures putting a roof over the away end, and there's plenty of other ways you could spend a fortune trying to tart the old ground up with little return. On the other hand we could just pish away all the prize money/Euro money on players wages- aka League of Ireland Plan A.

cobhlad

28/10/2014, 9:52 PM

I don't think anything sums up the Celtic Tiger more than this thread circa 2007/08. Great entertainment reading it

gufcfan

28/10/2014, 10:30 PM

Drogs having problems securing a site. The second site on the southside of the town has apparently fallen through and now they are looking at a third site just off the Dublin Road. Obviously cant lodge a planning application without a site so further delays on the cards. Earliest completion date now 2008 season.
The start of this thread is gold. Not going to spam you with them. The above was one of the first posts.

Neish

29/10/2014, 1:35 PM

Pictures of new Finn Park taken this morning
http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/Naoise80/slideshow/New%20Finn%20Park%2029th%20October%202014

Martinho II

29/10/2014, 4:00 PM

Pictures of new Finn Park taken this morning
http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/Naoise80/slideshow/New%20Finn%20Park%2029th%20October%202014

I remember seeing that crane on last day of the season when we visited.. does that river separate the two grounds?

disgruntled

29/10/2014, 4:21 PM

Your right mate we should build up a **** load of debts like Cork and then walk away from them could probably afford a nice away section then.
Dundalk don't have an FA or county council to build them a nice stadium so things are going to take time. Hopefully a few seasons of relative success and European money can allow us to develop our inadequate facilities.

So the debts that other clubs may or not have are the reasons why Oriel Park is the way it is ?
I must remember that one the next time someone comes looking for money ;)

Hopefully when Dundalk get all the League & European money they will spend some of it on their stadium.
But hang on a while, Dundalk don't actually own Oriel Park do they ?
Someone else built it for them.
A bit like Cork so :cool:

gael353

29/10/2014, 4:56 PM

LEDP owners of Markets Field have put in for tenders for works https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=82135&B=&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders

disgruntled

29/10/2014, 5:12 PM

LEDP owners of Markets Field have put in for tenders for works https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=82135&B=&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders

I thought there were some saying that Limerick would be back to the Markets Field next season ?

disgruntled

29/10/2014, 5:14 PM

Pictures of new Finn Park taken this morning
http://s1064.photobucket.com/user/Naoise80/slideshow/New%20Finn%20Park%2029th%20October%202014

How long is the build expected to take ?

bluewhitearmy

29/10/2014, 6:37 PM

I thought there were some saying that Limerick would be back to the Markets Field next season ?

Thats the plan.

oriel

29/10/2014, 7:38 PM

So the debts that other clubs may or not have are the reasons why Oriel Park is the way it is ?
I must remember that one the next time someone comes looking for money ;)

Hopefully when Dundalk get all the League & European money they will spend some of it on their stadium.
But hang on a while, Dundalk don't actually own Oriel Park do they ?
Someone else built it for them.
A bit like Cork so :cool:

It's nothing like Cork, the Casey family own oriel park land, but the club built all of the structures. The MFA built all 4 stands in TC, that's the difference. The again we pay a nominal rent compared to the significant amount that Cork have to pay. This is fair enough as they have full use to the best stadium in the league.

The long lease of Oriel Park has a 'must be used for football' clause in it and there is nothing stopping DFC building anything on it, just the tricky thing of having to fund it, but I believe there are plans to make improvements in the not to distant future. Nothing specific has been mentioned, but it's clear there is a very long list of things to look at. It will all come down to funding and priorities.

El-Pietro

29/10/2014, 8:47 PM

The MFA built all four stands in Turners Cross on the back of Cork City. As I'm sure most people realise Turners Cross would be what it is without the rent we have paid towards it over the years. Nor would they have access to the grant money they have drawn down were we not the anchor tenants.

Its a great situation to be in to be fair, even if the large rent means we are slightly less competitive year to year than we might otherwise be.

wonder88

29/10/2014, 10:39 PM

What sort of figure we are talking about for Cork renting Turners Cross, and how does it compare with what Shamrock R pay up in Tallaght?

Mr A

30/10/2014, 9:32 AM

I remember seeing that crane on last day of the season when we visited.. does that river separate the two grounds?

Yes, the Finn is between the old and new grounds.

How long is the build expected to take ?

Hard to say- there have already been so many delays down the years. The ground development committee have not given an exact completion date because we're at the mercy of grants, drawdowns etc but we'd certainly hope to see it done within two years.

Martinho II

30/10/2014, 4:29 PM

Yes, the Finn is between the old and new grounds.

Hard to say- there have already been so many delays down the years. The ground development committee have not given an exact completion date because we're at the mercy of grants, drawdowns etc but we'd certainly hope to see it done within two years.

wots goin to happen to your old ground once ye move Mr A?

Mr A

30/10/2014, 4:34 PM

Given the time taken to get this project up and running I think we should immediately start work on Finn Park 3 on the old site :)

Actually the site will then be handed to the developer to do with as they please. Finn Park is zoned for development so is relatively valuable compared to the new ground which will be on land zoned recreational.

redobit

30/10/2014, 8:30 PM

What sort of figure we are talking about for Cork renting Turners Cross, and how does it compare with what Shamrock R pay up in Tallaght?

Over 3k per game I was told by a Cork fan a couple years back.

northwestexile

07/11/2014, 12:44 AM

Charlie Darwin

07/11/2014, 12:51 AM

I listened to the radio interview John Delaney gave on RTE Radio recently and he mentioned that there was discussions with Dublin City Council and St Pat's over developments at Richmond Park? Whats the story there?
Supposedly about extending the Camac terrace into a full stand, which I believe would require the permission of the landowners behind it, which I don't think is the council but might be. There is always the possibility it's complete bull**** that only ever happened in Delaney's head.

northwestexile

07/11/2014, 12:57 AM

Isn't there a river close behind that terrace? It would be quite tight for space along that side I would imagine.

Charlie Darwin

07/11/2014, 1:33 AM

Yeah, the Camac is just a stream really. You could build a foundation around it without disrupting the flow of the river. I seem to recall one of Kelleher's many hair-brained schemes was to buy the east stand from the old Lansdowne Road and rebuild it on top of the Camac end.

legendz

07/11/2014, 9:47 PM

http://avoidingthedrop.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/11.jpg

BonnieShels

09/11/2014, 12:49 PM

Just had a gander and there's just over an acre of land in a solid freehold block between the back gardens of those houses (between 97 and 153) on Inchicore Road and the centre line of the Camac. It runs the entire length from the western edge of the Richmond Park leasehold to just past the shed on the eastern side.

So channelling the Camac and expansion is entirely possible. But where's the cashmoney to do it.

Lim till i die

09/11/2014, 6:16 PM

Just got a chance to look at the tender for the Markets Field.

Key points:

Capacity: 2215

Main Stand: 1315

Temporary Away Stand: 300

Away standing area: 150

Popular side standing: 300

Behind goals standing at home end: 150

Standing areas are "Tar and Chip" finished. (ie no steps)

No toilet facilities for home fans outside the main stand.

One entrance for Home fans.

One entrance for away fans.

No sign of any turnstiles.

:bulgy:

These LEDP boys do not deliver bang for the buck.

adamd164

09/11/2014, 6:54 PM

That away section is too small if there's any meaningful derby game there next season, or a big cup game.

SalvadorSanchez

09/11/2014, 7:07 PM

looking forward to seeing the markets field, seems that LEDP are missing a trick not putting in stepped concrete terraces, still the main stand if done right could look great, it looks crusty now but paint, new seats, lights and new glass on the sides would transform it. whats the square box beside the main stand?

Lim till i die

09/11/2014, 7:07 PM

Point taken but it's probably concern number 17 on my list of problems with that ground

Lim till i die

09/11/2014, 7:09 PM

SalvadorSanchez

09/11/2014, 7:12 PM

adamd164, right on. away spaces is poor planning, 400 spaces wouldn't cost much more to build and would be great for derby games, playoffs, cup games etc. Space for 150 will look like a bus shelter.

SalvadorSanchez

09/11/2014, 7:14 PM

A bar would be great for Limerick... When it scheduled to be opened?

SalvadorSanchez

09/11/2014, 7:17 PM

Point taken but it's probably concern number 17 on my list of problems with that ground
why the angst? why the worry?

Lim till i die

09/11/2014, 7:22 PM

adamd164, right on. away spaces is poor planning, 400 spaces wouldn't cost much more to build and would be great for derby games, playoffs, cup games etc. Space for 150 will look like a bus shelter.

No it won't the 150 are uncovered!

Another 300 away fans to be accommodated in a bus shelter.

Suppose we can always hit up our friends in thomond for big games

Lim till i die

09/11/2014, 7:26 PM

why the angst? why the worry?

Its a new build that's the third worst ground in the premier.

And only fits 1700 home fans.

And only has one entrance.

And no toilets.

It's not really angst but let's call a spade a spade like.

The only saving grace is al that open tarmac space can be used for temporary stands I guess.

But when the saving grace of your new ground is an option to copy wexford youths it leaves you a bit meh.

LFC Blue

09/11/2014, 8:10 PM

Jofspring

09/11/2014, 8:18 PM

1300 Limerick fans crammed in to the main stand sounds great to me. After 25 years of not having a pot to **** in and not a semblance of a permanent home i won't be losing much sleep over not having a toilet outside the main stand or a 5000 seater stand for away support!

1,300 fans in one stand certainly isn't an issue and if anything would be great. It just seems the whole thing is being done in half measures. Short term it will be great but long term you can already see issues.

None of the fans wanted a state of the art facility but the basics even seem to be being skimped on.

All the talk of another great sporting facility in the city now is rubbish talk. Throw basic stands in a few junior grounds in the city and they would already be ahead of the Markets Field.

At this stage only time will show it. The fans on numerous occasions have voiced their concerns and been told pretty much that it is out of the fans and the clubs hands so put up or shut up.

LFC Blue

09/11/2014, 8:28 PM

1,300 fans in one stand certainly isn't an issue and if anything would be great. It just seems the whole thing is being done in half measures. Short term it will be great but long term you can already see issues.

None of the fans wanted a state of the art facility but the basics even seem to be being skimped on.

All the talk of another great sporting facility in the city now is rubbish talk. Throw basic stands in a few junior grounds in the city and they would already be ahead of the Markets Field.

I can see your point and agree with you to a certain extent but reality has to come in to this.at the moment we are a club who have enjoyed little or no success in the last twenty years, have a small fan base and are only surviving due to the financial assistance from pos.Our backs are to the wall and only for the LEDP we would be up s*it creek big time.

Lim till i die

09/11/2014, 8:35 PM

Our backs are to the wall and only for the LEDP we would be up s*it creek big time.

Why, what did the LEDP do for us?

Jofspring

09/11/2014, 8:37 PM

I can see your point and agree with you to a certain extent but reality has to come in to this.at the moment we are a club who have enjoyed little or no success in the last twenty years, have a small fan base and are only surviving due to the financial assistance from pos.Our backs are to the wall and only for the LEDP we would be up s*it creek big time.

Very true, which is an awful pity. Hopefully if the team can play well the people of Limerick don't hold the ground against the club and get out and support the team.

bluewhitearmy

09/11/2014, 9:16 PM

Guaranteed it will be people like this with the attitude oh its all fine beggers cant be choosers and all this crap will be the first on here and other places whinging about how awful it is when its done. I'd even disagree with Jofspring when he said it will be great short term.

SalvadorSanchez

09/11/2014, 9:36 PM

Its a new build that's the third worst ground in the premier.

And only fits 1700 home fans.

And only has one entrance.

And no toilets.

It's not really angst but let's call a spade a spade like.

The only saving grace is al that open tarmac space can be used for temporary stands I guess.

But when the saving grace of your new ground is an option to copy wexford youths it leaves you a bit meh.
I almost wish I hadn't asked. Seriously though, is this a one time deal with LEDP or will they own MF? will you be able to develop the place over time or will that be in LEDPs hands? looking at the plans, there seems to be room for expansion if required or am I wrong?

legendz

09/11/2014, 9:49 PM

I almost wish I hadn't asked. Seriously though, is this a one time deal with LEDP or will they own MF? will you be able to develop the place over time or will that be in LEDPs hands? looking at the plans, there seems to be room for expansion if required or am I wrong?
http://leagueireland.blogspot.ie/2012/07/limerick-fc-is-about-to-submitt-plans.html?m=1

bluewhitearmy

09/11/2014, 9:51 PM

http://leagueireland.blogspot.ie/2012/07/limerick-fc-is-about-to-submitt-plans.html?m=1

I hope you don't think those are the plans that are going to be built it wont ever be like that those were the clubs plans, the LEDP have went more down the route of making a new Jackman.

LFC Blue

09/11/2014, 9:56 PM

I hope you don't think those are the plans that are going to be built it wont ever be like that those were the clubs plans, the LEDP have went more down the route of making a new Jackman.

What exactly do you want? A 10,000 all seater stadium.from the matches ive been at over the last few months we've struggled to break 700 people and now a ground with a capacity of 2500 with 1300 seats for home fans isn't good enough for you!

Jofspring

09/11/2014, 9:57 PM

I almost wish I hadn't asked. Seriously though, is this a one time deal with LEDP or will they own MF? will you be able to develop the place over time or will that be in LEDPs hands? looking at the plans, there seems to be room for expansion if required or am I wrong?

It will be the LEDP's from now on to rent to whoever. We will just be one of the tenants and have been told we have use of it for 22 games a season. If for example we were to do well some season in the future and we're expecting a big attendance. Say 2,500 home fans and a travelling support of 500-600 we would have to move to Thomond Park. The same if we ever managed to make Europe.

bluewhitearmy

09/11/2014, 10:01 PM

What exactly do you want? A 10,000 all seater stadium.from the matches ive been at over the last few months we've struggled to break 700 people and now a ground with a capacity of 2500 with 1300 seats for home fans isn't good enough for you!

Stupidity like this is why I won't even get into it with you tbh.

bluewhitearmy

09/11/2014, 10:01 PM

It will be the LEDP's from now on to rent to whoever. We will just be one of the tenants and have been told we have use of it for 22 games a season. If for example we were to do well some season in the future and we're expecting a big attendance. Say 2,500 home fans and a travelling support of 500-600 we would have to move to Thomond Park. The same if we ever managed to make Europe.

What an utter shambles this will be if it ever has to happen.