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PJOCualain
01/08/2018, 11:59 PM
How's things..? Heading to Derry v Sligo as a neutral never been at the Brsndywell before...where is the best place to park re traffic ect..after the match..? Cheers
Charlie Darwin
02/08/2018, 12:29 AM
How's things..? Heading to Derry v Sligo as a neutral never been at the Brsndywell before...where is the best place to park re traffic ect..after the match..? Cheers
On the pitch is probably the safest place to park.
PJOCualain
02/08/2018, 1:41 AM
Can't be that bad surely..?
redobit
02/08/2018, 8:17 AM
Can't be that bad surely..?
Its grand around the Brandywell. Ive been up there a heap of times and we always park in the estates around the ground. Sligo Rovers and Derry fans get on fine and never had a bit of hassle. Hopefully you might support Sligo Rovers on the night ;)
brendy_éire
02/08/2018, 10:34 AM
It's grand anywhere around the ground, traffic is fairly ok as the Brandywell is near a few arterial routes.
Head to the Bluebell bar (Mailey's) before the match if you're around early.
EatYerGreens
02/08/2018, 2:22 PM
How's things..? Heading to Derry v Sligo as a neutral never been at the Brsndywell before...where is the best place to park re traffic ect..after the match..? Cheers
You can usually find a space within a few steps of the turnstiles at the Brandywell in my experience. You might have to wait a few minutes for the flow of traffic to ease to get out after the match, but not long really. And if you dawdle back to your car or have a look in the club shop or something then you'll be away easily by the time you return.
EatYerGreens
02/08/2018, 2:24 PM
On the pitch is probably the safest place to park.
Won't Sligo have their team bus parked across the goal mouth there ? :D
brendy_éire
10/08/2018, 2:13 PM
https://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/derry-city/derry-city-s-brandywell-rent-battle-1-8596660
Still no agreed price for letting the Brandywell. Council are after a big increase, Derry City and Institute were resisting.
I think they were looking for £1k a match. Previously it was £60 an hour.
samhaydenjr
11/08/2018, 12:34 AM
https://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/derry-city/derry-city-s-brandywell-rent-battle-1-8596660
Still no agreed price for letting the Brandywell. Council are after a big increase, Derry City and Institute were resisting.
I think they were looking for £1k a match. Previously it was £60 an hour.
I don't think that's exorbitant, even for an LOI club, maybe 3-5% of gate receipts, especially considering the money put in by council to develop it. Although, in response to City's chairman's point about fluctuating attendances, perhaps it could be set at a percentage of gate receipts instead of a fixed amount.
A N Mouse
11/08/2018, 10:25 AM
I don't think that's exorbitant, even for an LOI club, maybe 3-5% of gate receipts, especially considering the money put in by council to develop it. Although, in response to City's chairman's point about fluctuating attendances, perhaps it could be set at a percentage of gate receipts instead of a fixed amount.
While the price isn't exorbitant the ~2000% increase would surely be felt. Takes a nominal fee to substantial expense.
Am I alone in seeing a certain degree of irony in club having problem with increases in fixed costs. Council should probably point them at chairman's comments in the papers about minsk game.
EatYerGreens
12/08/2018, 10:36 PM
I don't think that's exorbitant, even for an LOI club, maybe 3-5% of gate receipts, especially considering the money put in by council to develop it. Although, in response to City's chairman's point about fluctuating attendances, perhaps it could be set at a percentage of gate receipts instead of a fixed amount.
Why should the council and ratepayers have to bear the financial brunt of any downturn in Derry City's performances and/or their inability to maximise attendances ?
sbgawa
12/08/2018, 11:31 PM
1000 a game is ok for the first team but if the 19s 17s etc play there it will get expensive quuckly
brendy_éire
13/08/2018, 7:07 AM
Why should the council and ratepayers have to bear the financial brunt of any downturn in Derry City's performances and/or their inability to maximise attendances ?
I'd argue though that the stadium essentially costs the council the same to rent out whether it's to a professional football club or bunch of lads playing amongst themselves.
As the football club have first preference on use of the ground, and can kick out people already booked in, it's only fair that they should have pay more than the average punter, but that sort of an increase seems like profiteering.
It's worth considering that the club pay, AFAIK, £10k a year for use of the ground for offices, media stuff and the like, and also use plenty of council facilities for training.
EatYerGreens
13/08/2018, 9:47 AM
I'd argue though that the stadium essentially costs the council the same to rent out whether it's to a professional football club or bunch of lads playing amongst themselves.
But that's an invalid comparison.
A closer one would be the fact that the likes of Tesco's have to pay business rates for their retail premises, whilst charities don't.
Derry City make money out of playing at the Brandywell, whereas a bunch of lads kicking a ball around don't. At £14 an adult ticket, the club must be lifting in the region of £20,000 per average game. If the place sold out (and it's not the councils fault that it doesn't), they'd be banking around £50k. So do you really think that paying £1,000 to do that is unreasonable ?
nigel-harps1954
13/08/2018, 12:14 PM
But that's an invalid comparison.
A closer one would be the fact that the likes of Tesco's have to pay business rates for their retail premises, whilst charities don't.
Derry City make money out of playing at the Brandywell, whereas a bunch of lads kicking a ball around don't. At £14 an adult ticket, the club must be lifting in the region of £20,000 per average game. If the place sold out (and it's not the councils fault that it doesn't), they'd be banking around £50k. So do you really think that paying £1,000 to do that is unreasonable ?
Far be it from me to defend anything Derry City...but your figures are miles off. If they had 3,700 people in the gates (capacity figure given), then they'd not be banking anywhere close to £50k. You're forgetting that children, OAP or Students don't pay £14, they've something in the region of 400-500 season ticket holders this season. Before you even look at what will be made, there's costs to be paid out on match night, referees, ambulance staff, security, etc.
With their current attendances dropping, and dropped since the ticketing fiasco over Europa League, they'd be lucky to be breaking £10k on match night. Hardly much to even cover their wage bill for one week, never mind two (if this £150k for releasing 7 players is anything to go by).
The council there obviously want to make a few quid off the stadium after so much expense went into it, but the size of the increase is what should be questioned here rather than any ballpark figures. Comparisons should be drawn in line with how much the likes of Galway, Shamrock Rovers, Cork City, Waterford or any other rented ground tenants pay for their LOI use.
EatYerGreens
13/08/2018, 12:40 PM
Far be it from me to defend anything Derry City...but your figures are miles off. If they had 3,700 people in the gates (capacity figure given), then they'd not be banking anywhere close to £50k. You're forgetting that children, OAP or Students don't pay £14, they've something in the region of 400-500 season ticket holders this season. Before you even look at what will be made, there's costs to be paid out on match night, referees, ambulance staff, security, etc.
With their current attendances dropping, and dropped since the ticketing fiasco over Europa League, they'd be lucky to be breaking £10k on match night. Hardly much to even cover their wage bill for one week, never mind two (if this £150k for releasing 7 players is anything to go by).
Valid points. My estimate of around £50k for a full house was working on an assumption of 3,000 of those 3,700 seats being sold at £14. Even if they took only £40-45k from a full house, you'd struggle to argue credibly that a £1,000 rent to do so wasn't a decent deal. And Derry's wage bill is it's own business and it's own decision, and should not influence what the council charges. You won't find the rent on any flat you rent rising or falling with your salary. Bottom line is that it is not the council's responsibility for how Derry City run themselves or the fact that they can't fill the stadium. Especially since they've shot themselves in the foot with poor ticket pricing and bad PR.
The council there obviously want to make a few quid off the stadium after so much expense went into it, but the size of the increase is what should be questioned here rather than any ballpark figures. Comparisons should be drawn in line with how much the likes of Galway, Shamrock Rovers, Cork City, Waterford or any other rented ground tenants pay for their LOI use.
The disparity between the new and old pricing is probably more of a reflection of the fact DCFC got the old stadium for an absolute pittance, rather than the new proposed rent being unreasonable. Ballymena fans (who use a municipal stadium) used to gurn that they were paying a lot more rent than Derry City was in the old Brandywell. How much do the clubs you've listed above pay per match then ?
Institute moving in to the ground will help Derry City in their battle with the council, as Stute won't be able to pay the sums that Derry could.
colonelwest
13/08/2018, 1:28 PM
Another thing to take into consideration is are Derry paying the stewarding/ security/ policing and other assorted match day costs in addition to whatever the rental costs are or is that included in the quote? Big difference with them added on top compared to 22 lads booking the pitch for a kickabout or local sunday/ district league teams using it and those per hour pitch rental prices.
Martinho II
13/08/2018, 2:49 PM
is that a permanent move that Institute have made to the Brandywell? Saw their first game recently on BBC NI at home and there wasnt many fans at it.
A N Mouse
13/08/2018, 2:56 PM
Valid points. My estimate of around £50k for a full house was working on an assumption of 3,000 of those 3,700 seats being sold at £14. Even if they took only £40-45k from a full house, you'd struggle to argue credibly that a £1,000 rent to do so wasn't a decent deal. And Derry's wage bill is it's own business and it's own decision, and should not influence what the council charges. You won't find the rent on any flat you rent rising or falling with your salary. Bottom line is that it is not the council's responsibility for how Derry City run themselves or the fact that they can't fill the stadium. Especially since they've shot themselves in the foot with poor ticket pricing and bad PR.
I'm fairly sure commercial rent can vary based on income. Also as the chairman previously pointed out, DCFC tickets are subject to VAT. So your sell out figure for 3K attendence would be closer to £35K. With actual paying punters more likely to fall in the 1K to 2.5K range (see elsewhere in the thread, but ticketed/seated capacity is about 3.4K, season tickets and kids(free entry) would take it below 3K), would leave gate receipts after VAT varying between £10K and £30K. And averaging less than £20K
The disparity between the new and old pricing is probably more of a reflection of the fact DCFC got the old stadium for an absolute pittance, rather than the new proposed rent being unreasonable. Ballymena fans (who use a municipal stadium) used to gurn that they were paying a lot more rent than Derry City was in the old Brandywell. How much do the clubs you've listed above pay per match then ?
The Brandywell would have ceased being a municipal stadium, long ago, if it were possible (it's not). The council are responsible for it's upkeep and entitled to charge a fair price on that basis, but they themselves rent it for a nominal few (anecdotally £1 per year) from The Honourable The Irish Society. While they could have charged more before, it would have been hard to justify - the Southend stand/floodlights being only major work carried out since return of senior and that must have been almost 30 before the current modernisation.
Institute moving in to the ground will help Derry City in their battle with the council, as Stute won't be able to pay the sums that Derry could.
Agreed Stute moving in can only help
A N Mouse
13/08/2018, 3:00 PM
is that a permanent move that Institute have made to the Brandywell? Saw their first game recently on BBC NI at home and there wasnt many fans at it.
There was comment recently, maybe from their chairman, of next 3 or 4 years. But no mention of where they're planning to go. Course if the council decide to bog the arm in, then it raises the slim possibility of a new shared non municipal ground (we can only dream).
Hows the new stand in Tallagh stadium progressing ? Anyway have pictures of it ?
sbgawa
16/08/2018, 10:09 AM
drove past yesterday , looked like it was nearly finished roof almost on,
will put a picture up tomorrow night after the match........assuming I'm in good form........maybe i'll put it up before the match starts :)
CorribsideSteve
16/08/2018, 10:41 AM
The Rovers-Bohs derbies in Tallaght generally attract 4-5 K attendance. With the new stand finished for next season, bringing capacity up around 8K, is there a chance future derbies would mean a full house? That would look amazing on TV.
sbgawa
16/08/2018, 11:45 AM
In theory I suppose its possible the highest attendance between the two teams recently was 5200 so maybe if Rovers were going well and the game was promoted (and NOT on TV). 5200 is about capacity for Tallaght when we are playing bohs as the seat kills to keep a distance between the fans is fairly high.
Something to shoot for though.
I've said it before the TV kills us in Tallaght , the local pubs all show the match and do promotions.
EatYerGreens
16/08/2018, 2:18 PM
In theory I suppose its possible the highest attendance between the two teams recently was 5200 so maybe if Rovers were going well and the game was promoted (and NOT on TV). 5200 is about capacity for Tallaght when we are playing bohs as the seat kills to keep a distance between the fans is fairly high.
Something to shoot for though.
I've said it before the TV kills us in Tallaght , the local pubs all show the match and do promotions.
Would the new stand not make it easier to segregate away fans there ? One would hope that some day it might even be as near as full with Bohs fans for one of these games.
Asterix
16/08/2018, 2:57 PM
Hows the new stand in Tallagh stadium progressing ? Anyway have pictures of it ?
https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2706&stc=1
Would the new stand not make it easier to segregate away fans there ? One would hope that some day it might even be as near as full with Bohs fans for one of these games.
I would have thought it'd make sense, if you give access to the east stand from the Square end instead of around through the car park like it is now. New stand looks great. The place alomst looks like a real football stadium... in Ireland!
sbgawa
16/08/2018, 3:20 PM
I think the best solution would be to get all the Rovers fans from the east stand to move into the new stand or for those that don't like being behind the goals to move to the west stand..................stick the away fans in the corner of the east stand near the square.
Should cut down on stewarding as no need to separate the fans they have that stand to themselves plus for TV matches the stadium will look a lot fuller
nigel-harps1954
16/08/2018, 3:23 PM
Are there turnstiles at the East Stand or do fans just go in by the West Stand and walk across? Any time I've been there I haven't noticed turnstiles in operation over that side, but might just have missed it.
I think the away area where it is, is perfect.
Asterix
16/08/2018, 3:33 PM
Are there turnstiles at the East Stand or do fans just go in by the West Stand and walk across? Any time I've been there I haven't noticed turnstiles in operation over that side, but might just have missed it.
I think the away area where it is, is perfect.
There are turnstiles at the East stand, usually you can move between the two stand but this season you need to have an East stand ticket and bar pass to move across because of the construction Work.
sbgawa
16/08/2018, 3:59 PM
Are there turnstiles at the East Stand or do fans just go in by the West Stand and walk across? Any time I've been there I haven't noticed turnstiles in operation over that side, but might just have missed it.
I think the away area where it is, is perfect.
Supposedly the 4th stand is to be built nest year and that will ultimately be where the away support will go.
Will save money on stewarding as well.
RathfarnhamHoop
16/08/2018, 6:21 PM
I would have thought it'd make sense, if you give access to the east stand from the Square end instead of around through the car park like it is now. New stand looks great. The place alomst looks like a real football stadium... in Ireland!
That'd work for every game bar Bohs where they get escorted to the LUAS so to do that you'd have to block every main stand exit, and not let anyone from the east stand go towards the Maldron then escort the Bohs fans through the car park, past everyone from the main stand and past the shop and offices which is all just asking for trouble.
As has been said though 4th stand is already in the early stages so soon enough away fans will just be put there.
Martinho II
16/08/2018, 8:24 PM
That'd work for every game bar Bohs where they get escorted to the LUAS so to do that you'd have to block every main stand exit, and not let anyone from the east stand go towards the Maldron then escort the Bohs fans through the car park, past everyone from the main stand and past the shop and offices which is all just asking for trouble.
As has been said though 4th stand is already in the early stages so soon enough away fans will just be put there.
didnt know there was going to be a 4th stand. this will be a proper stadium.
Dalymountrower
17/08/2018, 8:44 AM
In theory I suppose its possible the highest attendance between the two teams recently was 5200 so maybe if Rovers were going well and the game was promoted (and NOT on TV). 5200 is about capacity for Tallaght when we are playing bohs as the seat kills to keep a distance between the fans is fairly high.
Something to shoot for though.
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Probably 5,000 with the bank of empty seats as a cordon?. Bohs allocation (squashed into the top left corner of the Robbie Keane Stand) for tonights game sold out last Wednesday, with Rovers relatively poor crowds this season, doubt the home support will be anything near 4,000.
sbgawa
17/08/2018, 10:52 AM
You'll be able to bring as many as you want next season, assuming your still in the premier :)
Dalymountrower
17/08/2018, 12:19 PM
You'll be able to bring as many as you want next season, assuming your still in the premier :)
If we were relegated it would cost you a fortune in gate receipts ( and vice versa)! Lets face it, we have each other in a deaths grip , while Cork and Dundalk carry on with winning trophies.
sbgawa
17/08/2018, 12:33 PM
If we were relegated it would cost you a fortune in gate receipts ( and vice versa)! Lets face it, we have each other in a deaths grip , while Cork and Dundalk carry on with winning trophies.
I'm feeling optimistic about next year, although as my wife reminded me "you say that every year" :)
Yossarian
17/08/2018, 2:44 PM
I'm feeling optimistic about next year, although as my wife reminded me "you say that every year" :)
That’s the joy of being a football fan, no matter how bad this season is, there’s always next year.
sullanefc
17/08/2018, 6:37 PM
I'm feeling optimistic about next year, although as my wife reminded me "you say that every year" :)
The Liverpool of the LOI. :p
drove past yesterday , looked like it was nearly finished roof almost on,
will put a picture up tomorrow night after the match........assuming I'm in good form........maybe i'll put it up before the match starts :)
Looking at it now on the box. Looks a bit narrow, and a little bit off centre, though the camera angle might be deceptive. The space from the touch line to the stands on either side might not help either, stands should be tighter to the pitch in my view.
sbgawa
17/08/2018, 9:42 PM
It seems closer in the actual stadium tbh.
Also I noticed the sound seemed to stay in the stadium better then normal. It will really look great when it's finished.
ger121
17/08/2018, 9:51 PM
You'll be able to bring as many as you want next season, assuming your still in the premier :)
Oh I think we’ll be around. Not sure about Bradley though.
Dalymountrower
17/08/2018, 9:53 PM
It seems closer in the actual stadium tbh.
Also I noticed the sound seemed to stay in the stadium better then normal. It will really look great when it's finished.
Will you ever fill it other than for your glamour friendlies?
sbgawa
17/08/2018, 9:55 PM
Oh I think we’ll be around. Not sure about Bradley though.
Ha ha , touche . :)
Great atmos tonight.
Looking forward to next season and revenge now that it looks like your staying up :)
sbgawa
17/08/2018, 10:01 PM
Will you ever fill it other than for your glamour friendlies?
You have to have ambition otherwise you should just build a 4000 seater to replace dalyer
Philosophizer
17/08/2018, 10:17 PM
he space from the touch line to the stands on either side might not help either, stands should be tighter to the pitch in my view.
It's the only flaw in Tallaght imo. The stands are 10 metres (if not more) from the pitch. Takes so much away from the experience. It would be an unreal stadium if the stands were really tight to the pitch.
redarmyfaction
17/08/2018, 10:17 PM
https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2706&stc=1
Stand looks great, seems to have a steep pitch, love the raking roof. Big improvement. Tallaght looked the GAA stadium from Lego Toytown before now.
EatYerGreens
17/08/2018, 11:12 PM
The Liverpool of the LOI. :p
More like a Newcastle, in fairness.
L.T.F.C.
24/08/2018, 8:25 AM
Town are getting a new scoreboard in. Looks huge, and full colour!
atfconline
28/08/2018, 7:29 PM
Main pitch at Athlone Town Stadium being ripped up in preparation of new astro going in.
https://www.facebook.com/ATAFCOfficial/posts/1078563302293917
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