View Full Version : Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division
sligoman
15/02/2010, 3:07 PM
The case hasn't even been heard yet according to 96FM...are they just slow?
redgav
15/02/2010, 3:07 PM
Expel them from the league, premier, first , and A.
Whos "Them" ??? 1 person and 1 person only and he's running rings around the courts
Longfordian
15/02/2010, 3:08 PM
From the Cork forum -
Bit worrying that there's no mention of the takeover there. TNB wants to pay Revenue from the Kevin Long money when they can be paid from the FORAS/Quintas investment. Worrying for Cork, I'd have thought.
Yeah that's reading like a victory for Tom today. The FAI have to do their bit and deny a licence. No extensions, no conditions. Tough luck on the consortium, blame Tom.
Expel them from the league, premier, first , and A.
Whos "Them" ??? 1 person and 1 person only and he's running rings around the courts
The FAI of course.
redgav
15/02/2010, 3:09 PM
From the Cork forum -
Bit worrying that there's no mention of the takeover there. TNB wants to pay Revenue from the Kevin Long money when they can be paid from the FORAS/Quintas investment. Worrying for Cork, I'd have thought.
Very much so ...hence why I said its in the FAI's court now.No licence ,FORAS get that and this **** is left with a dead club
No tax clearance cert, no payments to employees, 65% rule smashed. If they get a Premier Licence the other clubs should demand that the Licensing Committee resign and be replaced by a new committee appointed by UEFA as they are clearly not an independent body.
Spot on.
If Cork do somehow manage to get a Premier Licence, I can see a lot of other clubs joining forces and taking the League/FAI to court over it.
Fr Damo
15/02/2010, 3:09 PM
Cancelling my patron scheme with ATFC. Not subscribing to this league anymore.
pineapple stu
15/02/2010, 3:09 PM
Because they have to.
The FAI are holding the Kevin Long money because Cork's bank account is frozen. The FAI have no legal right to deny Cork their money.
HammerNThongs
15/02/2010, 3:11 PM
Yeah that's reading like a victory for Tom today. The FAI have to do their bit and deny a licence. No extensions, no conditions. Tough luck on the consortium, blame Tom.
Make no mistake about it, we do
If the deal is signed then I think a provisional licence will be awarded.
If nothing is signed, then no licence will be awarded.
Real ale Madrid
15/02/2010, 3:13 PM
If the deal is signed then I think a provisional licence will be awarded.
If nothing is signed, then no licence will be awarded.
Do you mean a deal with the consortium? The way TnB has been playing this surely its unlikely a deal has been signed?
weecountyman
15/02/2010, 3:13 PM
Spot on.
If Cork do somehow manage to get a Premier Licence, I can see a lot of other clubs joining forces and taking the League/FAI to court over it.
Roo69, they won't. Because they're a pack of hyenas and they know the next one to fall could be one of them. So they don't want the others gorging on their carcass! It's as I said from the start when Roddy was interviewed on 98fm or Newstalk, he was "assured" Cork would have a Premier licence (not by Tom) and he'll be in Cork until he runs in the summer, after having the club dragged through the courts for his scumbaggery and lies. Can't blame the FAI, it has to be all done legally because of the low class of people they're dealing with - they'll be dragged through the courts as well!
HammerNThongs
15/02/2010, 3:13 PM
A provisional license = me ripping up everything I have that is associated with soccer in this country.
Cant help a league that doesnt want to help itself
Longfordian
15/02/2010, 3:14 PM
Signed by when? Doesn't sound like Tom has any plans to do it any time soon. Unless he's planning on doing one with the money when the account is unfrozen.
Jofspring
15/02/2010, 3:15 PM
I presume Quintas have pulled the take over bid as the deal was not done by lunch time today. No way should there be any kind of extension for the license for Cork City. If there is there should be a boycott from all the other clubs from the Premier right down to the A league.
HammerNThongs
15/02/2010, 3:15 PM
Signed by when? Doesn't sound like Tom has any plans to do it any time soon. Unless he's planning on doing one with the money when the account is unfrozen.
If I were a gambling man....
kid creole
15/02/2010, 3:19 PM
Im feeling the same as father damo and Hammernthongs , its a joke , im 99% towards jacking it , ive already finished any voluntary work I was doing with the blues , just sickening to see them bend over backwards like this, time to man up and deny the license , let foras into the A championship ( thats me being generous ) and leave the rest of us get on with it .
Should us as fans not start demanding resignations , email Fran Gavin , John Delaney and what not , im just SICK of it.
Longfordian
15/02/2010, 3:25 PM
If I were a gambling man....
Makes sense now that I think of it. He'll take it as a pay off for himself then "offer" to do the deal with the consortium, leaving them to pay the bills including the €107k supposed to be going to the Revenue. It's up to the FAI to stop him though I'm not sure he'd give a flying one if the company goes under or not provided he got some cash.
tippex
15/02/2010, 3:27 PM
Makes sense now that I think of it. He'll take it as a pay off for himself then "offer" to do the deal with the consortium, leaving them to pay the bills including the €107k supposed to be going to the Revenue. It's up to the FAI to stop him though I'm not sure he'd give a flying one if the company goes under or not provided he got some cash.
This is what I was thinking myself....
Comic Book Guy
15/02/2010, 3:28 PM
Im feeling the same as father damo and Hammernthongs , its a joke , im 99% towards jacking it , ive already finished any voluntary work I was doing with the blues , just sickening to see them bend over backwards like this, time to man up and deny the license , let foras into the A championship ( thats me being generous ) and leave the rest of us get on with it .
Should us as fans not start demanding resignations , email Fran Gavin , John Delaney and what not , im just SICK of it.
Agree 100%, when I think of what was done to Cobh last season and now this.. Incredible, before anyone thinks that I'm having a go at City far from it, this saga has proved beyond any doubt the crock of **** that licensing is, it is just a box ticking exercise, a jobs for the boys routine, licensing has shown itself to be so flawed it beggars belief.
There is one law for one club and another law for other clubs. Licensing also heaps unnecessary costs on clubs that can ill afford it.
Im sure the FAI have all the legal angles checked out and I can see them making a statement on this once they have digested the latest Court decision. I work in a Law Firm and the FAI would want to have everything done to the letter of the law if they are going to refuse CCFC the Licence so they cant let TNB challenge them in court again. I know its a farce but the FAI have to play this with a Straight Bat and not just jump in rashly.
brendy_éire
15/02/2010, 3:28 PM
Bohs have just annouced that they are playing Bray in a friendly tomorrow. http://www.bohemians.ie/match/12-match-previews/539-bohs-to-take-on-bray.html?
Cork are in the Premier so....?
HammerNThongs
15/02/2010, 3:28 PM
And now the ccfcforum has died....
Bohs have just annouced that they are playing Bray in a friendly tomorrow. http://www.bohemians.ie/match/12-match-previews/539-bohs-to-take-on-bray.html?
Cork are in the Premier so....?
Based on??
Doomofman
15/02/2010, 3:31 PM
If anything that's more indicative of Bray being in the premier and needing to prepare
HammerNThongs
15/02/2010, 3:31 PM
Based on??
It beign unlikely they would have a pre season friendly this close to the seasons start with a team in the same division as them?
Battery Rover
15/02/2010, 3:31 PM
Licensing also heaps unnecessary costs on clubs that can ill afford it.
I am licensing officer for my club and am struggling to think of any costs involved that would be deemed unneccesary. Can you post them?
It beign unlikely they would have a pre season friendly this close to the seasons start with a team in the same division as them?
Sure we played Sligo in pre season last year..
sligoman
15/02/2010, 3:33 PM
But its rare that a Premier Division team plays another in a pre-season friendly. Usually you play a team from a different division.Yeah but it still doesn't indicate anything regarding who's going to be in what division...
Jofspring
15/02/2010, 3:33 PM
Loads of premier teams playing first division teams. Just cause Bray are playing Bohs in a friendly means nothing if you as me.
Longfordian
15/02/2010, 3:33 PM
Im sure the FAI have all the legal angles checked out and I can see them making a statement on this once they have digested the latest Court decision. I work in a Law Firm and the FAI would want to have everything done to the letter of the law if they are going to refuse CCFC the Licence so they cant let TNB challenge them in court again. I know its a farce but the FAI have to play this with a Straight Bat and not just jump in rashly.
They've had long enough to have all their angles worked out. Cork are not in compliance right now even after all the deadlines they've already missed. They haven't a leg to stand on. Any favourable decison for Cork is solely at the Licensing Committeee's discretion and in fact it would be arguable that they have the authority under the mnaual to actually give them a Licence given the crucial criteria they've not complied with in any shape or form.
kid creole
15/02/2010, 3:34 PM
Im sure the FAI have all the legal angles checked out and I can see them making a statement on this once they have digested the latest Court decision. I work in a Law Firm and the FAI would want to have everything done to the letter of the law if they are going to refuse CCFC the Licence so they cant let TNB challenge them in court again. I know its a farce but the FAI have to play this with a Straight Bat and not just jump in rashly.
That a joke? straight bat? Already well established that the courts wont entertain it , internal mechanisms and all that.
Magicme
15/02/2010, 3:35 PM
Thats what I was implying that it doesnt mean they were sure of one division or another, just that it is rare enough.
that was announced on Saturday
tippex
15/02/2010, 3:36 PM
Bohs have just annouced that they are playing Bray in a friendly tomorrow. http://www.bohemians.ie/match/12-match-previews/539-bohs-to-take-on-bray.html?
Cork are in the Premier so....?
nah that doesnt mean anything the game was agreed on Saturday last.
Doomofman
15/02/2010, 3:37 PM
From RTE
Cork granted High Court adjournment
Monday, 15 February 2010 16:32
It has been reported that the Revenue Commissioners' petition to wind-up Cork City has been adjourned until next Monday, giving City more time to complete a takeover and obtain a licence for the 2010 League of Ireland season.
City's case was heard around 3.30pm but they were granted another extension, two weeks after the first sitting was adjourned.
The FAI must now decide if they will grant Cork extra time to agree a takeover with the Quintas group with a view to winning a licence.
With so much still up in the air, what do people actually want to happen next?
What do you think the best outcome/solution is to this whole situation?
Doomofman
15/02/2010, 3:39 PM
With so much still up in the air, what do people actually want to happen next?
What do you think the best outcome/solution is to this whole situation?
Cork relegated today and the takeover getting done or it being decided no license for Cork today and Foras getting the go ahead for their team...
Either way... No Cork in the Premier for me...
HammerNThongs
15/02/2010, 3:40 PM
It involves explosives and a number of convenient locations...
Jofspring
15/02/2010, 3:40 PM
....but what is happening with the Quintas takeover. Last night they where threatening to pull out by lunch time today if an agreement hadn't been made. To the best of everyones knowledge no agreement has been made at this stage, so are we to presume that the Quintas takeover is dead in the water?
Longfordian
15/02/2010, 3:41 PM
For there to be any shred of integrity left, Cork City have to get no licence, FORAS take up their First Division one and the consortium either get on board with them or go back from whence they came. It's just too late.
....but what is happening with the Quintas takeover. Last night they where threatening to pull out by lunch time today if an agreement hadn't been made. To the best of everyones knowledge no agreement has been made at this stage, so are we to presume that the Quintas takeover is dead in the water?
Where did it say lunchtime?
Cork cant get a Premier Licence although it will be a farcical 10 team premier with only 2 clubs outside the Pale in it.
If Cork were to get a Premier Division Licence...does that mean that clubs are allowed to be as wreckless as they wish...rack up as much debt as they want...miss as many licencing deadlines as they want..so long as they have a takeover lined up for the date licences are awarded???
Doomofman
15/02/2010, 3:43 PM
Cork cant get a Premier Licence although it will be a farcical 10 team premier with only 2 clubs outside the Pale in it.
As I've always said when someone goes on about all the clubs around Dublin.... If teams from other parts of the country were good enough they'd be in the Premier wouldn't they?
kid creole
15/02/2010, 3:44 PM
With so much still up in the air, what do people actually want to happen next?
What do you think the best outcome/solution is to this whole situation?
I want cork city kicked out of the league.
I want Fran Gavin sacked.
I want the fixtures and Licenses announced.
I want a * free season.
I want to be able to hold my head high as a loi supporter .
Best outcome is that we can learn some sort of lesson from the 4th time going through this , that the remaining clubs know what can and more importantly WILL happen if they miss deadlines.
Best solution is to follow our own rulebook and boot cork out .
HammerNThongs
15/02/2010, 3:44 PM
If Cork were to get a Premier Division Licence...does that mean that clubs are allowed to be as wreckless as they wish...rack up as much debt as they want...miss as many licencing deadlines as they want..so long as they have a takeover lined up for the date licences are awarded???
Basically...yes....according to the awesome regulations we have within this league
Jofspring
15/02/2010, 3:45 PM
Where did it say lunchtime?
Sorry the actually words where by this afternoon not lunchtime. But still surely they are gone beyond frustration now.
Schumi
15/02/2010, 3:47 PM
If Cork were to get a Premier Division Licence...does that mean that clubs are allowed to be as wreckless as they wish...rack up as much debt as they want...miss as many licencing deadlines as they want..so long as they have a takeover lined up for the date licences are awarded???They'd need to be strategically located too most likely.
WoodquayBoy
15/02/2010, 3:49 PM
I want Cork City to be rerfused a licence. Let FORAS Cork, Cobh and any other interested parties battle to take the final place in the First Division - I don't it should go to FORAS just because they are looking to replace Cork (and no offence to City fans) but surely other teams like Cobh and Tralee have every right to be considered for the First Division?
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