Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

[Macy]

I can see TNB now... Annual income twenty pounds; annual expenditure, nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income, twenty pounds; annual expenditure, twenty pounds ought and six, result - everythings fine, nothing to see here, we'll get 10,000 a game and all will be well.

[Doomofman]

Yeah, on nov. 30th Clubs must have either
1. all employees [current and former] paid up in full
or
2. an agreement in place with people who have not been paid up in full.

if an employee, current or former, has gone to the courts to get their money then licencing cannot consider that particular case.

Specifically in Cork's case if money is owed to employees, current or former, and they refuse to sign an agreement, my understanding is that it could prevent CCIFL getting a licence. In the event that people sign up to the agreement and it's in place on 30th November, in the snapshot of time that is licencing CCIFL complies and gets a licence, if that agreement is subsequently broken, the outstanding money is not a matter for licencing until the next application period.

i.e. if an employee hasn't been paid, signs an agreement with CCIFL on a payment scheme which is in place on 30th November the licence application can proceed. if on Dec 1st tht agreement is broken and the employee never gets their cash, the FAI don't consider the outstanding wages until Nov. 30th next season. if in the meantime the employee goes to their court to claim the cash, the FAI may not consider it even at the next window.

That just sounds like a ridiculous way to do things... No wonder the leagues such a mess

[sheao]

Cork City Football Club are delighted to announce the appointment of Mr. Liam Meaney as the club’s new General Manager. The role encompasses supervision of the day-to-day running of the club, along with implementing plans and structures for the club’s future, and also sees Mr. Meaney take on the role of Club Licensing Officer.

Liam Meaney is well known in local sporting circles having represented Cork at both hurling and football at various levels. He is also a member of Blackrock Hurling Club and has won three senior hurling titles with that club. He has been heavily involved in various fundraising initiatives at Blackrock and has served as the club’s Club Development Officer. Professionally, Liam has previously worked with both AIB and INBS in a management capacity and currently runs his own financial services company.

Speaking to CorkCityFC.ie, Mr. Meaney said: “I am greatly looking forward to the task at hand. It is widely acknowledged that 2009 was an extremely difficult year for the football club, and we are making every effort to learn from the difficulties the club has experienced and to ensure that stability returns to the club. While the season has only just come to an end, we are working to ensure that Cork City FC enters 2010 on a strong footing.”

“It is imperative that our budget for 2010 is based on realistic projections. The wage costs at the club will be reduced, as the first priority is to safeguard the future of the club. Many factors have had an impact on the club’s income this year, with sponsorship and attendances both being below expectations. The 2010 budget therefore reflects much more conservative projections.”

“One of the major positives to come out of this season has been the emergence of young, local players such as Kevin Long, Gareth Cambridge and Stephen Mulcahy. Cork City FC is the only professional League of Ireland club in the southern half of this country, and there is huge talent on show at all levels of the game in this county, and indeed this province. We will place a lot of emphasis on allowing local talent to showcase their abilities and offer them the opportunity to make a career in professional football.”

“Cork City FC is, at heart, a club which has always had deep roots in the community to which it belongs. It is vital that, at every level, we return to those roots, and seek to build on the pride our supporters have in their club. The club is looking to work closely with our supporters, local clubs and businesses in order to have a club of which we can all be extremely proud.”

“While it has been a difficult year, it is to the credit of all involved that the team has been successful in achieving European qualification. We have all seen in recent years how clubs from the so-called smaller nations have achieved qualification to the group stages of European competitions, and indeed some of the results achieved by League of Ireland clubs have been extremely impressive, so this is something we can all look forward to for next season.”

[galwayjames]

Cork City Football Club are delighted to announce the appointment of Mr. Liam Meaney as the club’s new General Manager. The role encompasses supervision of the day-to-day running of the club, along with implementing plans and structures for the club’s future, and also sees Mr. Meaney take on the role of Club Licensing Officer.

Best of luck with it.

[sheao]

Best of luck with it.
We'll have to wait and see how well he will run the club on a day to day basis.

[blackholesun]

Liam Meaney is well known in local sporting circles having represented Cork at both hurling and football at various levels. He is also a member of Blackrock Hurling Club and has won three senior hurling titles with that club. He has been heavily involved in various fundraising initiatives at Blackrock and has served as the club’s Club Development Officer. Professionally, Liam has previously worked with both AIB and INBS in a management capacity and currently runs his own financial services company.

First the Billy Morgan crap and now this?

What doesnt Coughlan just cut the crap and re-register the club as a GAA club now. Seems to be the direction he wants to go in for a long time. First ever interview I ever heard with him, he spent half the interview wafflin on how he admired the amatuer status of the GAA. His next annoucement will be that he is not going to pay players next season (just realised how corny that is).

bhs

[galwayjames]

First the Billy Morgan crap and now this?

His next annoucement will be that he is not going to pay players next season.

We knew that already ;)

[Riddickcule]

Good to see, but unfortunatly i don't think you're out of the woods yet until you offload that p*ick Tom!
He was madness on primetime the other night, get him out now.

[Doomofman]

Good to see, but unfortunatly i don't think you're out of the woods yet until you offload that [MOD EDIT - NOT ON FOOT.IE] Tom!
He was madness on primetime the other night, get him out now.

Have to agree.. Until Coughlan goes, I can see trouble ahead...

[razor]

What doesnt Coughlan just cut the crap and re-register the club as a GAA club now.Meaney is one of Coughlans goons, (I was going to say friends but i'm not sure), he's a puppet, his GAA background is purely coincidental although i'm led to believe Meaneys GAA through and through(think Thomas Davis).

[OneRedArmy]

Unfortunately that won't happen because the FAI have made it abundantly clear that any no new entity can parachute straight into the first division, licensing wouldn't allow it, so the new Cork club would be out of luck there!

Unless of course it's Derry and an unmerciful serving of Fudge is required.Didn't Limerick do exactly that? Can't remember the exact circumstances but thought a new trading company was required in order to oust Danny Drew. Any Limerick fans able to tell the story?

[The Lep]

Correct, limerick failed to get a first division licence but limerick 37 was invited to apply for one so it should be the same with cork and derry if a new set up or name change applies for one.

[tiktok]

The A championship didn't exist for Limerick37 iirc. They were invited to apply to the then bottom tier. Just goes to show the fudge that Derry is.

As for Meaney, he's been pretty much general manager of the club for months now. He and Coughlan are close, the appointment is no surprise.

[LK37oldskool]

Correct, limerick failed to get a first division licence but limerick 37 was invited to apply for one so it should be the same with cork and derry if a new set up or name change applies for one.

your right there and if the FAI have taken half as much a dislike to TNB as they did to DD it would seem that a similar situation will occur to CCFC.

[micls]

According to our forum, and the radio, the FAI are bringing charges of 'bringing the game into disrepute' against Tom Coughlan.

[OneRedArmy]

According to our forum, and the radio, the FAI are bringing charges of 'bringing the game into disrepute' against Tom Coughlan.
Sanction to be relinquishing control of the club or club is expelled a la Derry??

FORAS take over either way, invited to join 1st division. Double serving of fudge.

All my guesswork btw......

[blue til i die]

Sanction to be relinquishing control of the club or club is expelled a la Derry??

FORAS take over either way, invited to join 1st division. Double serving of fudge.

All my guesswork btw......

so IF Cork are invited to the 1st division, who takes their place in the premier?

Bray?

[shep]

And what about europe??? Would Dundalk get that by default???

[LukeO]

so IF Cork are invited to the 1st division, who takes their place in the premier?

Bray?

Ugh... a 10-team Premier Division with five Dublin clubs and Drogheda is bad enough. Might as well rename it the Dublin & District League if Cork drop out and are replaced by Bray. :o

[Acornvilla]

shells and bray should playoff!

[prince20]

Ugh... a 10-team Premier Division with five Dublin clubs and Drogheda is bad enough. Might as well rename it the Dublin & District League if Cork drop out and are replaced by Bray. :o

Wont happen, Cork will be in the Premier and as i said in an earlier post TNB may not be at the helm

[ndrog]

Ugh... a 10-team Premier Division with five Dublin clubs and Drogheda is bad enough. Might as well rename it the Dublin & District League if Cork drop out and are replaced by Bray. :o

agreed .you can include dundalk in that as they are only 15 mins away from us .

[WoodquayBoy]

Ugh... a 10-team Premier Division with five Dublin clubs and Drogheda is bad enough. Might as well rename it the Dublin & District League if Cork drop out and are replaced by Bray. :o
Would be a disaster - 5 Dublin teams, along with Bray, Drogheda and Dundalk leaving only ourselves and Sligo flying the flag for the rest of the country.
And it could get worse if Shels get promoted for 2011 and us or Sligo are relegated, both of which are possible

[Réiteoir]

Leinster Senior League by stealth :D

[Doomofman]

Would be a disaster - 5 Dublin teams, along with Bray, Drogheda and Dundalk leaving only ourselves and Sligo flying the flag for the rest of the country.
And it could get worse if Shels get promoted for 2011 and us or Sligo are relegated, both of which are possible

It's not the FAI's fault that the teams outside of Dublin aren't good enough, on or off the pitch, for the premier division is it?

[Captain2007]

shells and bray should playoff!

Yeah we will play it on Xmas eve and be relegated for the third time this season :rolleyes:
Cork will be in premier division next season and Tom will be at the helm! :(

[WoodquayBoy]

It's not the FAI's fault that the teams outside of Dublin aren't good enough, on or off the pitch, for the premier division is it?
Of course it is, it's a conspiracy I tell ya, a conspiracy!

[SkStu]

its just the FAI's latest attempt to get rid of the pro Dublin bias clearly displayed by all the referees.

[Scrufil]

So first of all Cork are run by Coughlan a failed politician and now they are to be run by a failed AIB banker. Could ye not just get a former inmate from Spike Island to run ye?

[John83]

So first of all Cork are run by Coughlan a failed politician and now they are to be run by a failed AIB banker. Could ye not just get a former inmate from Spike Island to run ye?
Yeah, or someone ridiculous, like Nick Leeson.

[Riddickcule]

Why is this thread still going strong?

Cork arn't getting relegated, theres been no news of it.
They've payed all their due's, payed the players back etc.

Clean slate for them, why would they be relegated?

[micls]

They've payed all their due's

Hahahahahahahahahah :D

[tiktok]

They've payed all their due's, payed the players back etc?

Good man, I needed a laugh.

[Mad Moose]

Hahahahahahahahahah :D

Judging by that response I'm presuming Ridickules comments are not exactly accurate then?

[Celdrog]

Hahahahahahahahahah :D

According to Stephen McGuinness they have been paid. Certainly up to November 12 - there is one date left isn't there?

pfai news (http://www.pfai.ie/news)

[Riddickcule]

Hahahahahahahahahah :D
:confused:

[SMorgan]

agreed .you can include dundalk in that as they are only 15 mins away from us .

Yes, 15 mins away if travelling by space rocket!!!

[A face]

Judging by that response I'm presuming Ridickules comments are not exactly accurate then?

What makes you say that? Theres absolutely nothing wrong with the system. The mechanisms that are in place work perfectly and give a completely accurate picture of what is happening with the clubs books. And anyway, butter wouldn't melt in Tom Coughlans mouth, he is as pure as the driven snow, the FAI have their eye on the ball, Cork City wont have made the headlines once in the 2010 season before the first five games have been played. The club will still exist after the sixth game. Everything is grand.

[ndrog]

Yes, 15 mins away if travelling by space rocket!!!

What are you on about ? your part of the commuter belt and are very close to Dublin as are we . It takes me between 15 and 20 mins to get to dundalk from Drogheda . I live on the north side of Drogheda and get to monasterboice in about 2 mins :rolleyes: As far as the point the original post was making about the spread of clubs in the Leauge being all very close , we will be .Suits me tbh less traveling :D

[tiktok]

According to Stephen McGuinness they have been paid. Certainly up to November 12 - there is one date left isn't there?

Players may be paid up to date, and that might have been newsworthy enough for the PFAI to release a statement, but there's a long line of boxes to be checked before CCIFL has "payed all their dues", Tom might want to consult with his staff and creditors before he repeats that line on national TV.

Frankly, I'm sick of the widely held notion that there mustn't be any problems once players are paid up, couldn't be further from the truth.

[razor]

Cork arn't getting relegated, theres been no news of it.
They've payed all their due's, payed the players back etc.

Clean slate for them, why would they be relegated?Quite an apt user name you got there.
Read tiktoks post, we have a host of unpaid creditors and club employees.

[Hairy Bowsie]

I've been jumping in and out of this thread, every now and then so i'm not completely up to speed on everything within, so my apologies if i'm asking questions that may have been asked a few times before.

Is a boycott of game, in order to get rid of TNB, an option? If so, how far away from it are we?

[White Horse]

What are you on about ? your part of the commuter belt and are very close to Dublin as are we . It takes me between 15 and 20 mins to get to dundalk from Drogheda . I live on the north side of Drogheda and get to monasterboice in about 2 mins :rolleyes: As far as the point the original post was making about the spread of clubs in the Leauge being all very close , we will be .Suits me tbh less traveling :D

30 minutes to go from Drogheda to Dundalk town centres.

Also, Dundalk is in no-ones "commuter belt". Neither Dublin's or Belfast's.

Having said that, you point about the potential narrow geographical nature of the league is well made.

[John83]

Is a boycott of game, in order to get rid of TNB, an option? If so, how far away from it are we?
There was at least one demonstration towards the end of the season where a large number of fans picketed the turnstiles for 15 minutes or so before going in. Cork's attendances fell dramatically towards the end of the season too, I think.

[tiktok]

Is a boycott of game, in order to get rid of TNB, an option? If so, how far away from it are we?

A lot of people had already been doing it, we were struggling to get 1500 per game towards the end of the season. Even that low number was pushed up greatly by people who would have stayed away if it wasn't for holding season tickets [so they felt that they weren;'t contributing to Coughlan by attending while still supporting the team] and also by those An Post vouchers which many used to get in for 'free'.

An all out boycott is certainly a possibility if the FAI don't take action against Coughlan, if he's still there next season, a lot of people won't come back.

The Club hasn't sent out season ticket renewal forms yet for the run up to Christmas, that can only be because 1. they dont have the money to process them or 2. they think it's a waste of money based on their projected uptake. As it was last year, season ticket sales didn't take off until the licence was granted, for 2010, Coughlan at the helm, I can see the Season ticket numbers be way back.

That of course has a knock on effect for those who'll be negotiating for sponsorship deals etc., in the coming months. If you have a year of bad press behind you and little prospect of suppport for the coming year as evidenced by comparitive;y poor season ticket sales, why would Beamish/Echo/Johnstone'S Paints or anyone else pay the same levels of sponsorship as previously [if they even chose to pay at all].

It's an ongoing mess, whether players have a few quid in their pockets or not.

[galwayjames]

Why exactly are ye boycotting the games again? Has every other avenue not been tried? Surely boycotting the games will only result in the club going into financial meltdown.

[ndrog]

30 minutes to go from Drogheda to Dundalk town centres.

Also, Dundalk is in no-ones "commuter belt". Neither Dublin's or Belfast's.

Having said that, you point about the potential narrow geographical nature of the league is well made.

Im not gonna drag this any futher off topic after this but you are indeed part of the commuter belt .Thats why buses that come through Drogheda from Dundalk i.e matthews coach are full of people from Dundalk working in Dublin ?

[tiktok]

Why exactly are ye boycotting the games again? Has every other avenue not been tried? Surely boycotting the games will only result in the club going into financial meltdown.

Did you bother to read the post at all?

Don't know where you're getting 'again' from, there hasn't been a boycott of Cork City game as such, a lot of people are definitely staying away but you'd have to ask those individuals for their own reasons, I was just answering Hairy Bowsie's question about the sense of people down here towards a boycott. In general I think people want Coughlan out and many won't return while he's in charge. As I said, an all out boycott is a possibility.

As for any boycott driving the club into financial meltdown, in my opinion it's in financial meltdown anyway, 1000 people on the gate either way next March is a drop in the ocean at this stage. There are far bigger obstacles for Tom Coughlan between now and the start of next season.

[razor]

There are far bigger obstacles for Tom Coughlan between now and the start of next season.Heres hoping he falls at the first.

[tiktok]

Heres hoping he falls at the first.

I have horrible visions along the lines of that new Weetabix ad.