Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division [Archive] - Page 62

dcfcsteve

18/02/2010, 4:54 PM

Kildareman

18/02/2010, 5:22 PM

I wonder is Sepp Blatter a visitor to Foot.ie

If he is, he'd be rolling around on the ground keeping up with this thread.....

jan molby

18/02/2010, 5:35 PM

required points .what a load of nonsense.maybe bray should have borrowed 2 or 3 million and gained the required points.cork must go

tonydaly

18/02/2010, 6:20 PM

Is there really anything worth saving of the existing Cork City FC ?

Beyond the name - whcih was just reborrowed from the 1930's anyway - what is there that's worth all this hoopla to save ? No assets, few players - all of whom can walk at a moment's notice.

Yes - I know that covering debts would be an honourable thing to do, but the debts are the responsibility of those who mis-ran the club, and any new club could offer to make payments to old club creditors if it so wished (like DCFC has done).

Fans shouldn't let themselves be or feel emotionally blackmailed over the debt of what is, at the end of a day, a business run with no input from them.

So what exactly is there that is worth paying €900,100 for (or at the very least €600,100).....? :confused:

I think the fans feel the history of the club is worth saving. Not sure if I'd be willing to pay that much for it however.

required points .what a load of nonsense.maybe bray should have borrowed 2 or 3 million and gained the required points.cork must go

Or maybe the required players. You'd think being so close to Dubland they would have no problem getting some cast off's. If Bray were any further away from Dubland they would end up like Kildare County,nowhere. Incidentally why do you think Bray couldn't stay up last season again despite have two go's at it or maybe you think they should get a free pass every year.

marty

18/02/2010, 6:20 PM

dcfcstece- I asked the same things few days back it seems their history etc is what they want to hold onto.All 25yrs of it.Cant for the life of me understand why this is happening all for a name.

Is their some email address in the FAI that all members could maybe send an email to as supporters of irish football to let them know how people feel or is it a waste of time

SkStu

18/02/2010, 6:22 PM

I wonder is Sepp Blatter a visitor to Foot.ie

If he is, he'd be rolling around on the ground keeping up with this thread.....

"they have asked can't we be team number 11 in the League of Ireland premier division. hehe. Yes, they have asked for that, really. hehe"

mr.untitled

18/02/2010, 6:31 PM

:) very good

John83

18/02/2010, 6:39 PM

They are doing them a favor. Bray must have vertigo at this stage from going up & down between the divisions.
Cork must have it from tottering on the edge.

Longfordian

18/02/2010, 6:40 PM

The consortium have set a deadline of 12 pm tomorrow for a decision on whether to proceed according to extratime.
Apparently it's looking increasingly unlikely and there's even doubts whether TNB has proper title to the shares not to mention shady promises being made to secure loans. I think they'll have to walk away.

Doomofman

18/02/2010, 6:45 PM

So FORAS for the 1st Division then...

tonydaly

18/02/2010, 6:50 PM

So FORAS for the 1st Division then...

Looks like it.Extra time article here. Bray get your gear ready.

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/2891/

Doomofman

18/02/2010, 6:57 PM

I'm not getting my hopes up yet... I still think the FAI will find some way of not following their own rules with this...

Longfordian

18/02/2010, 7:05 PM

They won't give Tom a licence much and all as they want Cork. They declared war on each other some time ago there is no way Delaney's ego would allow Tom get the better if him. If the takeover doesn't go ahead it's FORAS on the
First.

tonydaly

18/02/2010, 7:07 PM

I'm not getting my hopes up yet... I still think the FAI will find some way of not following their own rules with this...

If this takeover doesn't go through,no chance. Even the FAI won't be able to fudge it this time.

Buile Shuibhne

18/02/2010, 8:22 PM

from Rte.ie

Quintas ready to pull plug on takeover
Thursday, 18 February 2010 19:41

Quintas has stated that the deal to takeover Cork City is unlikely to go through, plunging the club's future into doubt once again.

The consortium, comprising of Peter Gray, Michael O'Connell and FORAS, the Cork City Supporters Trust, have set a deadline of noon on Friday finalise the offer.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0218/corkcity.html?

kid creole

18/02/2010, 8:37 PM

Looks like a waste of a new website

Doomofman

18/02/2010, 8:44 PM

Looks like a waste of a new website

Why's that?

kid creole

18/02/2010, 8:46 PM

They have a lovely new website for the consortium , suppose they can use it for plan B

Doomofman

18/02/2010, 8:47 PM

They have a lovely new website for the consortium , suppose they can use it for plan B

Exactly.. Just make up some reason for the co-op bit :p

tiktok

18/02/2010, 9:11 PM

They have a lovely new website for the consortium , suppose they can use it for plan B

There is no "consortium" website.
FORAS had put one together for the PlanB option to meet the requirement for licencing.
After the adjournment Monday it was taken back to just a 'coming soon' page.
The webmaster will be delighted you thought it was lovely though :D

Doomofman

18/02/2010, 9:13 PM

There is no "consortium" website.
FORAS had put one together for the PlanB option to meet the requirement for licencing.
After the adjournment Monday it was taken back to just a 'coming soon' page.
The webmaster will be delighted you thought it was lovely though :D

Should change it to 'coming sooner than you think'

Buile Shuibhne

18/02/2010, 9:30 PM

Well he knows about Cork re. Roddy (Floriana registered the illegal contract signed by Cork - as reported on rte, the indo etc etc) and Mick Platini said he was aware of it but that it is a FIFA matter initially (when the UEFA Executive met in Floriana a couple of weeks ago (again reported in Maltese papers and websites and quoted by another poster here). As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity - Tommy will get a seat on the UEFA Executive (running the committee for European competition licences) meanwhile the Rod will be brought on board as International Ambassador for Ethics and Fair Play.

Did anyone listen to OTB on Newstalk tonight? I was training and didn't get to hear it all, but my Dad said Roddy was "subdued" - he didn't specify if it was with chains and a gimp outfit though.

edit: Just wondering aloud, is this quintas and co statement just another ridiculous attempt at brinkmanship - trying to get one up on Tom? Seems like a case of dumb and dumber.

Speaking for myself - things have long since moved on from Roddy & Malta, in relation to CorkCity.

I couldn't give a flying feck about Roddy or anything Malta.

Could you post about them and you in a separate thread of your own please?

tonydaly

18/02/2010, 9:49 PM

Should change it to 'coming sooner than you think'

No,coming soon to a league near you. Foras will be lonely in the 1st Div without Bray this year. Not to worry as I'm sure that they will be back down with us at the end of next season.Who knows even Pats might decide to join us. After all your manager is an expert in relagation issues:D

weecountyman

18/02/2010, 9:51 PM

Speaking for myself - things have long since moved on from Roddy & Malta, in relation to CorkCity.

I couldn't give a flying feck about Roddy or anything Malta.

Could you post about them and you in a separate thread of your own please?

If a licence is handed out to CCFC, and they get permission to start in the PL, first up there's the decision on what to do with the manager, and regardless there's a UEFA ban hanging over the club. So it kind of is important, though I agree as this time tomorrow there could be no Cork City. There are more important things to worry about, hopefully it'll all be clear at 12pm tomorrow.

Dodge

18/02/2010, 10:02 PM

The manager is not important, not in the slightest. I agre with Buile Shuibhne, knock the maltese stuff on the head (in this thread)

sheao

18/02/2010, 10:17 PM

After noon tomorrow we may know a lot more . FORAS have annonced a members information session for this Sunday.

Longfordian

18/02/2010, 10:23 PM

More than likely to explain why they've had to pull out I would think. Don't see it being salvaged by 12 tomorrow when he hasn't co-operated all week. He doesn't care if the club goes bust he's put nothing in by the looks of it.

Dodge

18/02/2010, 11:06 PM

BTW how will FORAS get a first division license at this stage?

Doomofman

18/02/2010, 11:09 PM

BTW how will FORAS get a first division license at this stage?

Why wouldn't they? They made the application in time and I'd imagine filled all the correct criteria for a 1st Division Application...

Nedser

19/02/2010, 12:42 AM

Why wouldn't they? They made the application in time and I'd imagine filled all the correct criteria for a 1st Division Application...

I agree. I think people are under the impression that because FORAS were not granted a licence this week then they can't get one. However, the announcement actually said "The application from FORAS has been deferred pending the outcome of the Cork City decision". I assume that means if Cork City don't get one then FORAS will get one. See http://www.loi.ie/index.php/about/press-office/1404-independent-club-licensing-committee-awards-2010-licences

Y I think a lot of fans are correct in thinking that this is being done for geographical reasons. I can't think of any other reason.

Fair play to you and other Cork fans on here for saying that. One small good thing that might come of all this is that it seems even Cork people now know that there is no anti-Cork/pro-Dublin conspiracy within the FAI. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard such allegations over the past 20 years or so that I've been going to games - on message boards, in person on Ireland trips, even from Roy Keane's pontificating on the tv.

This whole saga has proved beyond doubt that if anything the opposite is true - it's clear the FAI believe that Cork is so important to the game in this country that they will go out of their way to help them stay in the top flight, and if a club from Dublin was in the same position there is no way they would have got the same treatment.

Dodge

19/02/2010, 12:52 AM

I wasn't under the impression that FORAS applied for any licence at all

Doomofman

19/02/2010, 12:59 AM

I wasn't under the impression that FORAS applied for any licence at all

They applied for a 1st Division licence as a backup in case Cork City got denied a licence or went belly up (which is likely to be the case)

Although I'm still a little confused as to how FORAS would get a place in the First Division even if they get a licence ahead of other teams...

Longfordian

19/02/2010, 1:10 AM

Following the Derry precedent. Before the Derry drama kicked off they had applied only for an A Licence. Cobh's not getting a First Division Licence simplifies it nicely come to think of it!.

mastershake

19/02/2010, 1:13 AM

Did someone use the word 'pontificating'.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/images/2009/1114/1224258801785_1.jpg

Sorry

tiktok

19/02/2010, 3:21 AM

I wasn't under the impression that FORAS applied for any licence at all

FORAS have a strong application in and met every deadline laid down comfortably.
It was/is only ever intended as a PlanB, but it's there.

Dodge

19/02/2010, 7:48 AM

FORAS have a strong application in and met every deadline laid down comfortably.
It was/is only ever intended as a PlanB, but it's there.

I wasn't having a go tiktok

I just didn't realise thye had submitted an application. I presume they've agreed to use Turners Cross

razor

19/02/2010, 7:51 AM

I presume they've agreed to use Turners CrossYes, I believe there is a verbal agreement in place with the MFA.

tiktok

19/02/2010, 7:57 AM

I wasn't having a go tiktok

I just didn't realise thye had submitted an application. I presume they've agreed to use Turners Cross

I know you weren't, if the reply sounded snippy it really wasn't meant to [well the meeting deadlines portion was meant to sound snippy towareds a certain other application that may have come out of Cork].

Grasshopper 99

19/02/2010, 8:22 AM

What are the chances of the take over falling through and cork not getting a pre licence and going down a division?

disgruntled

19/02/2010, 8:28 AM

What are the chances of the take over falling through and cork not getting a pre licence and going down a division?

If the Cork takeover falls through,then Cork City won't get any license at all & Foras will play in the 1st Div next year. Bray will be promoted to the Premier Div again.

White Horse

19/02/2010, 8:37 AM

What are the chances of the take over falling through and cork not getting a pre licence and going down a division?

If the debts really are €1m as is now being reported, I cannot see a takeover going ahead. It would be financial madness.

gufct

19/02/2010, 8:38 AM

What are the chances of the take over falling through and cork not getting a pre licence and going down a division?

CCFC will not get a licence for a dog never mind a licence for a club if the takeover fails.

razor

19/02/2010, 8:54 AM

Tommy will get a seat on the UEFA Executive (running the committee for European competition licences) meanwhile the Rod will be brought on board as International Ambassador for Ethics and Fair Play.I'm sure theres someone somewhere that can help with these nightmares, either that or you have one hell of an imagination. :D

edit: Just wondering aloud, is this quintas and co statement just another ridiculous attempt at brinkmanship - trying to get one up on Tom? Seems like a case of dumb and dumber.In the words of Tom Coughlan, "I think you're being disingenuous"

tonydaly

19/02/2010, 9:03 AM

Following the Derry precedent. Before the Derry drama kicked off they had applied only for an A Licence. Cobh's not getting a First Division Licence simplifies it nicely come to think of it!.

I understand that Cobh's financial statements were not correct & so they will spend a further season in the A Div.

All they need now is a football team

If Cork City don't get a license Foras can use these players as most of them are not registered with the FAI. In any case there are lots of players available. I'm sure Foras would already have all this in hand.

What are the chances of the take over falling through and cork not getting a pre licence and going down a division?

If the takeover fails Cork City will be refused a license of any kind.

Grasshopper 99

19/02/2010, 9:33 AM

Well if there was someone out there that did wanna take over the club, they would have done it by now and not waited so long to do it

tonydaly

19/02/2010, 10:04 AM

Fair play to you and other Cork fans on here for saying that. One small good thing that might come of all this is that it seems even Cork people now know that there is no anti-Cork/pro-Dublin conspiracy within the FAI. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard such allegations over the past 20 years or so that I've been going to games - on message boards, in person on Ireland trips, even from Roy Keane's pontificating on the tv.

This whole saga has proved beyond doubt that if anything the opposite is true - it's clear the FAI believe that Cork is so important to the game in this country that they will go out of their way to help them stay in the top flight, and if a club from Dublin was in the same position there is no way they would have got the same treatment.

What you say is true but only I believe since the FAI took over running the League. In the bad old days of the League of Ireland itself I think there was definitely a bias of some sort whether perceived or otherwise. I know where the FAI are coming from in all of this. The League needs a Cork team in it but its the way they go about it that I don't agree with.Make your rules & stick to them. The clubs know whats needs to be done in order to get a license but there are still some out there who cling to the bad old ways.What has happened this season hasn't done anything to guide clubs away from the old ways.Next season we will have the same problems with some other club who will then point to what is happening now. What will the FAI do then ? Probably fudge it again.

Nedser

19/02/2010, 10:23 AM

In the bad old days of the League of Ireland itself I think there was definitely a bias of some sort whether perceived or otherwise.
Ok, so the paranoia still hasn't died.

Next season we will have the same problems with some other club who will then point to what is happening now. What will the FAI do then ? Probably fudge it again.

On this season's evidence I think it would depend on where the team is located. If outside Leinster or thereabouts then yes, they may well fudge again, as they have shown on more than one occasion that they believe maintaining a regional representation is more important than fair play. Makes you wonder what other ways that manifests itself too, but that's another debate. Anyway, if a Dublin based team is guilty of even a fraction of the transgressions that Cork have been guilty of, then I'm sure they'll be f**ked out of the premier without a second thought. It's already happened to 2 of the "big" 4 in Dublin, no fudge warranted there apparently.