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tiktok
08/10/2009, 9:06 PM
Tommy no bobs is going around telling people he's sold the club and has recouped the €1,000,000 euro of his own money that he put in. Some of that is certainly nonsense, all of it may be, I'm too tired to care anymore.
sheao
08/10/2009, 9:10 PM
If the players take any sort of action now it would be understandable and fully supported by all City fans i'm sure. We must be the joke of the LOI , it's one problem after another with us this year and we're not done yet.Monday i'm afraid could have some serious consequences or CCFC.
Buile Shuibhne
09/10/2009, 9:35 AM
Everything is grand now according to the PFAI's Stephen McGuinness - "back on track"

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/rebel-strike-threat-pays-off-for-players-1908945.html
Ezeikial
09/10/2009, 10:02 AM
Everything is grand now according to the PFAI's Stephen McGuinness - "back on track"

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/rebel-strike-threat-pays-off-for-players-1908945.html

Thats grand so - I thought for one horrible moment that there might be some sort of problem in Cork.
Macy
09/10/2009, 10:17 AM
Everything is grand now according to the PFAI's Stephen McGuinness - "back on track"
Poor tactics from the players/ union - they should've reworded the ballot to include future payments, and had the option of immediate strike if the next installment is missed.
Buile Shuibhne
09/10/2009, 10:27 AM
The way the Cork City players' ongoing wages payment problems have been dealt with by McGuinness / the PFAI, shows just how ineffective their so-caled union is.

They're 'in bed' with the FAI given that their offices are just down the corridor from Delaney and Gavin in the FAI HQ in Abbottstown
Macy
09/10/2009, 11:12 AM
They're 'in bed' with the FAI given that their offices are just down the corridor from Delaney and Gavin in the FAI HQ in Abbottstown
That may or may not be correct, but that's the fault of the players/ members for putting up with that.
thischarmingman
09/10/2009, 11:38 AM
Thats grand so - I thought for one horrible moment that there might be some sort of problem in Cork.

Made me smile. :)
tiktok
09/10/2009, 1:25 PM
Poor tactics from the players/ union - they should've reworded the ballot to include future payments, and had the option of immediate strike if the next installment is missed.

Exactly.
It's all over Cork that not all players were paid and that the staff haven't got a penny.
Players are unionised though; to keep taking this over and over again is only making them a laughing stock.
Mr A
12/10/2009, 9:21 AM
The Farrelly Winding Up Order is being heard today.

Justice Laffoy presiding.. should be interesting.
Rovers Maniac
12/10/2009, 9:35 AM
The Farrelly Winding Up Order is being heard today.

Justice Laffoy presiding.. should be interesting.

Laffoy is that the judge that presided over the last one, does she even have a choice but to wind them up at this stage?
SeanDrog
12/10/2009, 10:02 AM
The Farrelly Winding Up Order is being heard today.

Justice Laffoy presiding.. should be interesting.


:rolleyes: imagine her thoughts when she saw their name on her list (again)
Mr A
12/10/2009, 10:07 AM
Just as well for him that she isn't doing this case as well:

IN COURT 4
MR JUSTICE QUIRKE
AT 11.00 O'CLOCK
2001 1145S ARDENHILL PROPERTIES LIMITED T/A CLARKSON V COUGHLAN
Mr A
12/10/2009, 10:13 AM
Sounds like TNB has pulled another one out of the fire:


According to 96FM, agreement reached at the 11th hour between Gareth Farrelly and Tom Coughlan.

The case must still go before the court shortly.....

Incidentally- I wonder how the figures compare for 30% of the wage bill (that reputedly wasn't paid last week) and the 36k owed to Farrelly?

It would also seem like the rumours of other creditors joining the petition were inaccurate.
tiktok
12/10/2009, 10:19 AM
The next hurdle he'll be facing this afternoon will hurt a lot more when the details of the strike notice the players voted on comes out, a few papers picked up on it yesterday and it's been over our own forums since.

It's only a question of time now and whether Tommy can be pushed to one side before he kills the club or whether someone will have to start again from scratch.
Leeside Swagger
12/10/2009, 10:50 AM
Case has been adjourned for one week my source in the court is telling me.
pineapple stu
12/10/2009, 10:52 AM
A race against time now, methinks. Cork need to get wound up (or sold) before the season's end so they can have competent people running the club next season, in whatever division.
tiktok
12/10/2009, 10:58 AM
Case has been adjourned for one week my source in the court is telling me.

I find it hard to believe that Laffoy granted an adjournment; unless there were other creditors added to the action late in the day?

Agree with P_Stu, in fact, Coughlan can't get a licence for next season so a Cork City team responsibly run in the A championship next season is infinitely preferable to Coughlan applying for a premier licence for next season
Leeside Swagger
12/10/2009, 11:02 AM
I find it hard to believe that Laffoy granted an adjournment; unless there were other creditors added to the action late in the day?


Its true alright, have a mate at the hearing. Reason is that negotiations were unsucessful and Farrelly asked for one more week.
Macy
12/10/2009, 11:03 AM
Agree with P_Stu, in fact, Coughlan can't get a licence for next season so a Cork City team responsibly run in the A championship next season is infinitely preferable to Coughlan applying for a premier licence for next season
Do FORAS have the plans in place for an AFC Cork City/ FC City of Cork if Coughlan isn't removed? They should be ready to go, with application in with the FAI asap imo.
pineapple stu
12/10/2009, 11:14 AM
Reason is that negotiations were unsucessful and Farrelly asked for one more week.
So the reported agreement isn't in place after all?
Mr A
12/10/2009, 11:16 AM
From this post on their forum, CCFC came seriously close to disappearing today:


No one from CCIFC Ltd was in court...Farrelly's lawyers said that an approach was made to the company but no deal could be reached and it was Farrelly who asked for an adjournment for one week to see if a deal could be done...no additional creditors there either...

If Farrelly did not call for the adjournment we would have been wound up there and then...

By the sound of it, GF could have called time on the club, but didn't.
pineapple stu
12/10/2009, 11:17 AM
No-one from the club in court?! Unbelievable.

Absolutely must, definitely, without fail be a winding up next week. Surely?
Mr A
12/10/2009, 11:18 AM
Doubt it. TNB will use the Bohs gate money to cover it and it'll stumble on for another while. That'd be my guess anyway.
micls
12/10/2009, 11:20 AM
Doubt it. TNB will use the Bohs gate money to cover it and it'll stumble on for another while. That'd be my guess anyway.

No way we'l make 36k off the Bohs game, and theres wages etc to pay too.
Leeside Swagger
12/10/2009, 11:22 AM
So the reported agreement isn't in place after all?

I presume the agreement was for GF to ask for another week no?
Mr A
12/10/2009, 11:24 AM
No way we'l make 36k off the Bohs game, and theres wages etc to pay too.

True- but Farrelly probably knows that if the club is wound up he'll see very little of his money and therefore may end up settling for less. Plus I think I read on your forum he'd been offered 20k, so not too much more to make up. The wages etc could just be reneged on once again.

I think this is getting into the endgame, but could rumble on a little while yet.

As I've said before, I think it's getting to the point that for CCFC fans it may be a case of the sooner it ends the better.
pineapple stu
12/10/2009, 11:25 AM
Not much of an agreement though.

The implication (intended or othewise) was that the matter had been settled. It seems it hasn't at all. That's just what I'm clarifying.
marinobohs
12/10/2009, 11:26 AM
From this post on their forum, CCFC came seriously close to disappearing today:



By the sound of it, GF could have called time on the club, but didn't.
Does this mean that TC has given up on CCFC ? Or doeas it mean that he has given up "firefighting" ? bearing in mind what hapened Ollie Byrne RIP it must be a constant worry for owners in this predictament. I know there will be little sympathy for TC on this forum (nor should there be) but would not like to be in his place on this one.
Mr A
12/10/2009, 11:27 AM
Does this mean that TC has given up on CCFC ? Or doeas it mean that he has given up "firefighting" ? bearing in mind what hapened Ollie Byrne RIP it must be a constant worry for owners in this predictament. I know there will be little sympathy for TC on this forum (nor should there be) but would not like to be in his place on this one.

Screw him. You reap what you sow.
micls
12/10/2009, 11:27 AM
but would not like to be in his place on this one.

I'd be more worried about being in the place of the employees he isnt paying, you can be certain Tom isnt going without.
Mr A
12/10/2009, 11:28 AM
Incidentally, while I would totally support the Cork players right to strike given their treatment, I'd hate to see the chosen game affecting the destination of the league title.
marinobohs
12/10/2009, 11:28 AM
Screw him. You reap what you sow.

yea, that should encourage possible future investors :rolleyes:
Ezeikial
12/10/2009, 11:28 AM
Agree with P_Stu, in fact, Coughlan can't get a licence for next season so a Cork City team responsibly run in the A championship next season is infinitely preferable to Coughlan applying for a premier licence for next season

Why do you say "Coughlan can't get a licence"? Do you mean it is unlikely or should not be granted, as opposed to not possible?
micls
12/10/2009, 11:29 AM
Why do you say "Coughlan can't get a licence"? Do you mean it is unlikely or should not be granted, as opposed to not possible?

There's no way he'l get a tax clearance cert off the revenue therefore he shouldnt be able to get a license
micls
12/10/2009, 11:31 AM
yea, that should encourage possible future investors :rolleyes:

What?

If an investor isn't willing to run a club properly and deal with any mess they make then I don't want them involved anyway.
Mr A
12/10/2009, 11:31 AM
yea, that should encourage possible future investors :rolleyes:

The league can live without "investors" like him.
pineapple stu
12/10/2009, 11:33 AM
Incidentally, while I would totally support the Cork players right to strike given their treatment, I'd hate to see the chosen game affecting the destination of the league title.
I see the game that any strike action will affect has been mvoed from the Bohs game on Friday to the Rovers game next week. Definite Rovers bias in Cork...
micls
12/10/2009, 11:34 AM
I see the game that any strike action will affect has been mvoed from the Bohs game on Friday to the Rovers game next week. Definite Rovers bias in Cork...

:D That or a statutory notice period....

The decision on a strike is to be made this afternoon, you have to give 7 days notice
rambler14
12/10/2009, 11:35 AM
No agreement. Nobody from Cork City bothered turning up.
Longfordian
12/10/2009, 11:35 AM
After Farrelly is out of the way or if he is ever out of the way, Alan Mathews is up in court next. Who'd back against him receiving a significant judgment?.
Schumi
12/10/2009, 12:15 PM
bearing in mind what hapened Ollie Byrne RIP it must be a constant worry for owners in this predictament. I know there will be little sympathy for TC on this forum (nor should there be) but would not like to be in his place on this one.
In fairness, whatever you might think of Ollie Byrne, he really did care about Shels. I don't think Coughlan is anywhere near as attached to Cork.
John83
12/10/2009, 12:36 PM
In fairness, whatever you might think of Ollie Byrne, he really did care about Shels. I don't think Coughlan is anywhere near as attached to Cork.
Makes you wonder what was in it for him in the first place. He's certainly not become a local hero out of it.
tiktok
12/10/2009, 1:33 PM
Why do you say "Coughlan can't get a licence"? Do you mean it is unlikely or should not be granted, as opposed to not possible?

I think it's not possible that he will be able to meet all the requirements to obtain a licence, from what I know both of the situation of the club and of licencing rules themselves.
pineapple stu
12/10/2009, 1:41 PM
And where does your knowledge of FAI fudging come into things? ;)
Longfordian
12/10/2009, 1:45 PM
Can't see them fudging it for Tom. Anybody else taking over maybe.
tiktok
12/10/2009, 1:49 PM
And where does your knowledge of FAI fudging come into things? ;)

I've gathered quite a bit of data.
Some fudges are a fudge to far, even for the FAI.
John83
12/10/2009, 1:50 PM
And where does your knowledge of FAI fudging come into things? ;)
It would require a wall of fudge high enough to destroy us all.

I don't think it'll get that far though.
dcfcsteve
12/10/2009, 9:47 PM
yea, that should encourage possible future investors :rolleyes:

I'd suggest that Cork and the league could do without 'investors' like Coughlan :rolleyes:

Poisoners or Rapists would be a more apt description.
sonofstan
13/10/2009, 12:00 AM
I see the game that any strike action will affect has been mvoed from the Bohs game on Friday to the Rovers game next week. Definite Rovers bias in Cork...

So.... the question being asked on our forum is whether Rovers' players would pass a picket in order to claim the walkover?