Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

[seand]

http://www.fai.ie/images/stories/pdf/FAI_Rule_Book_2009.pdf

See Rule 124 & 125

I love the directory 'stories' that they keep it in :D

Yes, lots of details there!

RULE 124. DEMOTION TO A LOWER DIVISION
A club may be demoted to a lower division.
RULE 125. DEDUCTION OF POINTS
A club may have points deducted from those already attained in the current or a future* competition.

There is nothing in this rule book about the 65% rule, about payments to players, etc. Surely even with the FAI the 65% rule must be written down somewhere?

(* I particularly like this bit ... clubs can be docked points from those already attained in a future competition!)

[harps1954]

As far as I'm aware, the League of Ireland also has a rule-book in addition to the FAI rule-book. The rules regarding the 65% wage cap, etc. are contained in the LOI rule-book.

[tippex]

well from the looks of the report in the star today the fudge has already started page 59 will see if the article is online somewhere.
It also states "Cork's players are currently without showering facilities at their bishopstown training facility as the electricity has been cut over unpaid bills"

should we be surprised if true?

[luka]

As far as I'm aware, the League of Ireland also has a rule-book in addition to the FAI rule-book. The rules regarding the 65% wage cap, etc. are contained in the LOI rule-book.




http://www.loi.ie/index.php/about/club-licensing/about-licensing


http://www.loi.ie/images/stories/publications/licensing/Salary-Cost-Protocol.doc

[micls]

It also states "Cork's players are currently without showering facilities at their bishopstown training facility as the electricity has been cut over unpaid bills"

should we be surprised if true?
That was days ago, and it is true.

[passerrby]

according to the paper the FAI are going to meet them to highlight their embarrasment and to give them a bloody good talking to.., so that should solve all future problems and negate any need for licensing sanctions, well done john just what cork need right now a right good talking too

[Northern Light]

29 October 2009 12:00

Statement following the Special General Meeting



Following a very well attended Special General Meeting at the Kingsley Hotel on Wednesday, October 28th, the Board of Management of FORAS make the following statement:

Last night, at a special General Meeting of FORAS, Friends of the Rebel Army Society Ltd., members voted unanimously to lodge a League of Ireland ‘A’ Championship licence application for the 2010 season. FORAS took this decision to try to ensure that there will be League of Ireland representation in Cork City next season should any other applicants be unsuccessful. FORAS BoM will not be making any further comment on the application whilst it is under consideration by the Independent Licencing Committee.

Regards,
FORAS BoM

[sheao]

Got this quote from the City forum


Coughlan has told the players at a meeting that he has agreed a deal to sign Andy Cole for next season.

The circus continues http://www.ccfcforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

Credit to boscos for the info.

[pineapple stu]

It says a lot when I can't tell if that's a joke or not.

[marinobohs]

29 October 2009 12:00

Statement following the Special General Meeting



Following a very well attended Special General Meeting at the Kingsley Hotel on Wednesday, October 28th, the Board of Management of FORAS make the following statement:

Last night, at a special General Meeting of FORAS, Friends of the Rebel Army Society Ltd., members voted unanimously to lodge a League of Ireland ‘A’ Championship licence application for the 2010 season. FORAS took this decision to try to ensure that there will be League of Ireland representation in Cork City next season should any other applicants be unsuccessful. FORAS BoM will not be making any further comment on the application whilst it is under consideration by the Independent Licencing Committee.

Regards,
FORAS BoM

Best of luck with this lads/lasses but would much prefer a Cork team in the Premier. it does not say much for the League if the 2nd city cannot sustain a Prem team (I know, I know - a well run Prem team).

[Mr_Parker]

Got this quote from the City forum


I prefered the assesment that Coughlan had been misheard and had actually said in a broad accent, I'll be "An the dole next season." :D

[Northern Light]

Jeepers - arn't that Derrry crowd terrible messers all the same - they are giving the rest of us a bad name.:rolleyes:

[christo]

29 October 2009 12:00

Statement following the Special General Meeting



Following a very well attended Special General Meeting at the Kingsley Hotel on Wednesday, October 28th, the Board of Management of FORAS make the following statement:

Last night, at a special General Meeting of FORAS, Friends of the Rebel Army Society Ltd., members voted unanimously to lodge a League of Ireland ‘A’ Championship licence application for the 2010 season. FORAS took this decision to try to ensure that there will be League of Ireland representation in Cork City next season should any other applicants be unsuccessful. FORAS BoM will not be making any further comment on the application whilst it is under consideration by the Independent Licencing Committee.

Regards,
FORAS BoM

So does this mean that Cork will be in the "A" Championship next year and that we needn't bother play Salthill since whoever loses will be in the first division next year anyway (licence pending of course)

[Longfordian]

Probably but there's an outside chance Coughlan will get some sort of licence if they can't find a way not to give him one and you can be sure they don't want to.

[paudie]

So does this mean that Cork will be in the "A" Championship next year and that we needn't bother play Salthill since whoever loses will be in the first division next year anyway (licence pending of course)

FORAS, if granted a licence, will only take it up if no other cork applicant gets a licence.

[holidaysong]

To hell with that. You should set it up regardless and rent Turner's Cross from the MFA and get fans to go to the A Championship club games instead and force Coughlan out. I wonder sometimes if Cork fans actually want to get Coughlan out. Surely a boycott of CCFC is in order if Coughlan somehow manages to get a licence for next year.

[christo]

FORAS, if granted a licence, will only take it up if no other cork applicant gets a licence.

Is that any other Cork team (cobh included)

and I think if Coughlan is granted a licence we should all boycott the league until the FAI and licencing board gets a bit of sense

[galwayjames]

Is that any other Cork team (cobh included)



What happens in Cobh is different, this is in relation to a team in Cork city

[christo]

fair enough, wasn't sure if he meant Cork Co. or Cork City I thought he meant City but just had to double check

[A face]

and I think if Coughlan is granted a licence we should all boycott the league until the FAI and licencing board gets a bit of sense

If they knew that was how people felt then it would put the pressure on at least.

[superfrank]

I think if Coughlan is granted a licence we should all boycott the league until the FAI and licencing board gets a bit of sense
This is the stupidest suggestion I've heard yet. I can't believe you've actually posted this, I'm guessing your just saying it half-heartedly.

Why should other clubs be boycotted because of a dispute involving Cork City and the FAI?

A boycott on Cork City would be one thing and I think it could be a good idea as it might force out Coughlan or the FAI might see that people aren't willing to put up with him in charge there.

However, a league-wide boycott is ridiculous. The other clubs have no say in the matter. They have to work with Cork City and the FAI in a professional capacity but they can't influence the decisions taken. A boycott on these clubs will damage their finances and punish them for something they can't do anything about.

[christo]

A boycott on Cork City would be one thing and I think it could be a good idea as it might force out Coughlan or the FAI might see that people aren't willing to put up with him in charge there.

However, a league-wide boycott is ridiculous. The other clubs have no say in the matter. They have to work with Cork City and the FAI in a professional capacity but they can't influence the decisions taken

Well I was more saying that I think it would be stupid if they get a licence than posting a real suggestion

I do however think it could be an option, stupid nonetheless, drastic times call for drastic measures. If the FAI can't run the league and continue to allow clubs slowly destroy themselves than not playing in a league run by the FAI might be a good idea

[micls]

A lot of die hards have come out and said they wont be going back until Coughlan's gone. If he's still around and gets a license then our crowds will plummet.

[A face]

Well I was more saying that I think it would be stupid if they get a licence than posting a real suggestion

I do however think it could be an option, stupid nonetheless, drastic times call for drastic measures. If the FAI can't run the league and continue to allow clubs slowly destroy themselves than not playing in a league run by the FAI might be a good idea

But you'd need something like National League Supporters Association (NLSA) to organise something like that. Sadly that never got off the ground.

[paudie]

A lot of die hards have come out and said they wont be going back until Coughlan's gone. If he's still around and gets a license then our crowds will plummet.

Attendances have gone way down anyway since the winding up fiasco.

they will be lower next year again. I've been going to most games as i have a season ticket but i won't be renewing that and will be choosy about what games if any I will go to.

[paudie]

To hell with that. You should set it up regardless and rent Turner's Cross from the MFA and get fans to go to the A Championship club games instead and force Coughlan out. I wonder sometimes if Cork fans actually want to get Coughlan out. Surely a boycott of CCFC is in order if Coughlan somehow manages to get a licence for next year.

The supporters trust has had discussions with the FAI about how poorly they feel the club is being run.

At the moment Coughlan owns the company that has the licence so there isn't much fans can do to "force him out" apart from not going to games, which many people are doing and supporting FORAS, which many people are also doing.

[KUFCMan]

Im sure the last thing u want is a Setanta Cup game V Sligo on a Monday nite after the season is over.Will u have a string team out,Sligo are in the FAI final so theyre probably glad of a game

[forza rovers]

Im sure the last thing u want is a Setanta Cup game V Sligo on a Monday nite after the season is over.Will u have a string team out,Sligo are in the FAI final so theyre probably glad of a gamewe have played a team players through out the tournament so i dont see why we will risk players for the final

[KUFCMan]

So Sligo will probably rest a few then with the Cup Final in mind,u wouldnt want any bookings or injuries I suppose,

[SkStu]

F5ndoBdm0yY

[eamo1]

I do hear a sweeping sound though,the sound of issues being swept under the carpet.

[razor]

Quiet? Sure didn't Tom announce a new General Manager at the club
Liam Meaney, come on down. (pardon the pun)

[Longfordian]

I see the Liverpool Legends thing was postponed. That'll probably further delay payments to players and staff.

[A face]

The FAI really need recognise that this guy is just going to try and fall over the post on Nov 30th and it'll all start again from there.

[OneRedArmy]

You should jump along with us and we might get a group discount.

[tippex]

I see the Liverpool Legends thing was postponed. That'll probably further delay payments to players and staff.


This bit from the cork site would scare me if I had tickets what would happen if TNB walks / company folds they have already got this money in...
"Please note, all bookings and ticket purchases for either of the events will still be valid for the new date and we respectfully ask you all to bear with us until the new date is finalised before enquiring about refunds etc."

[A face]

"Please note, all bookings and ticket purchases for either of the events will still be valid for the new date and we respectfully ask you all to bear with us until the new date is finalised before enquiring about refunds etc."

If in Tommy you trust, you better hope he doesn't go bust !! :p

[adamd164]

PFAI issued a statement saying all players paid today; http://www.pfai.ie/news/214-cork-city-players-paid

edit- In other news, clubstore closed!

[Buile Shuibhne]

http://www.corkcityfc.ie/main.php?action=newsLink&headlineID=1209

[tiktok]

PFAI issued a statement saying all players paid today; http://www.pfai.ie/news/214-cork-city-players-paid

edit- In other news, clubstore closed!

It's comical that the club paying wages as it agreed to requires a press release.

[Buile Shuibhne]

Are the players now paid in full for the season or was that just one of the list of scheduled installments?

I seem to to remember that the schedule ran on into the close season?

[DJP09]

PFAI issued a statement saying all players paid today; http://www.pfai.ie/news/214-cork-city-players-paid

edit- In other news, clubstore closed!

At least they got paid, were do Cork go from there?

[tiktok]

Are the players now paid in full for the season or was that just one of the list of scheduled installments?

I seem to to remember that the schedule ran on into the close season?

There's definitely at least one more scheduled payment.
There may be two though.

[HammerNThongs]

Bishopstown is locked up. Shop is locked up. Off field staff to be paid today *Inhales...holds breath*

[John83]

You know, if Cork's holding company folds, selling its name to a new holding company, they could start anew in the First Division. That'd free up a spot in the Premier, which no doubt Frank And Irene would consider best given to the biggest club in the First... Derry city (Mark D).

[tiktok]

You know, if Cork's holding company folds, selling its name to a new holding company, they could start anew in the First Division. That'd free up a spot in the Premier, which no doubt Frank And Irene would consider best given to the biggest club in the First... Derry city (Mark D).

Unfortunately that won't happen because the FAI have made it abundantly clear that any no new entity can parachute straight into the first division, licensing wouldn't allow it, so the new Cork club would be out of luck there!

Unless of course it's Derry and an unmerciful serving of Fudge is required.

[eamo1]

Isnt there some deadline coming up at the end of this month for clubs to submit accounts?I know theres some deadline that Cork will struggle to meet coming up in a couple of weeks but not sure which it is.I hope they pull through and survive,to lose Cork and Derry in the space of a few weeks would be a disaster.

[tiktok]

Isnt there some deadline coming up at the end of this month for clubs to submit accounts?I know theres some deadline that Cork will struggle to meet coming up in a couple of weeks but not sure which it is.I hope they pull through and survive,to lose Cork and Derry in the space of a few weeks would be a disaster.

Yeah, on nov. 30th Clubs must have either
1. all employees [current and former] paid up in full
or
2. an agreement in place with people who have not been paid up in full.

if an employee, current or former, has gone to the courts to get their money then licencing cannot consider that particular case.

Specifically in Cork's case if money is owed to employees, current or former, and they refuse to sign an agreement, my understanding is that it could prevent CCIFL getting a licence. In the event that people sign up to the agreement and it's in place on 30th November, in the snapshot of time that is licencing CCIFL complies and gets a licence, if that agreement is subsequently broken, the outstanding money is not a matter for licencing until the next application period.

i.e. if an employee hasn't been paid, signs an agreement with CCIFL on a payment scheme which is in place on 30th November the licence application can proceed. if on Dec 1st tht agreement is broken and the employee never gets their cash, the FAI don't consider the outstanding wages until Nov. 30th next season. if in the meantime the employee goes to their court to claim the cash, the FAI may not consider it even at the next window.

[Mr A]

It seemed significant last night that Gavin kept talking about the actions of certain individuals at clubs and also mentioned that TNB should engage with FORAS. It seems the FAI aren't even pretending to have illusions about the fact that the guy is a waste of space.

[tiktok]

It seems the FAI aren't even pretending to have illusions about the fact that the guy is a waste of space.

Not even David Copperfield could sell those illusions.
That's David Copperfield the magician by the way, not Dickens' literary character.