Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

[Pablo Escobar]

Its not the initial team that will define how this and the next few seasons will go - that will clearly be defined on the level of support it gets - If the so called great Cork sporting public get out and support Cork City Foras Co-op then this will be a sucessful venture with great possibilities into the future.

Or after a few months apathy will reign again and this team will never be better than an average semi-pro / amateur set-up. I think its counter productive discussing who will sign / who wont sign etc - we should be focusing on giving whatever support we can muster over the next year, 5 years and into the future.

The BoM is not going to let us down - lets give them every support we can.

Funnily enough, I was chatting to a friend of mine last night. He's a football fan, would never support Cork City, he's not a begrudger, just not a supporter. I was on about the new club last night and he seemed genuinely interested.

[Real ale Madrid]

Something fan owned will ring a bell with a lot of football fans - goodwill should be fairly high - could add to the gates this season at least.

[Dodge]

WHile I don't disagree. It'f be foolish to bank on any goodwill at the start. NO doubt there are people tired of the whole thing too

[rambler14]

More in the world of Cork City:

It appears that last night www.ccfcforum.com was hacked.

TOMMY'S REVENGE!

[WoodquayBoy]

you can't deny that the player pool is there
With all due respect to the players not attached to clubs, if they were good enough, clubs would have signed them by now. Maybe the reason they haven't been signed is down to clubs' budgets/players' wage demands, but if they were good enough, surely a deal would be hammered out.
So no, I don't expect you to be just one season in the First Division

[yiddo]

back online now!

[redgav]

More in the world of Cork City:

It appears that last night www.ccfcforum.com was hacked.

TOMMY'S REVENGE!

He wouldn't have the brains or the money for something like that...a quick google on the Ghost fella shows that he's a lot of previous for this type of thing.Reckon a lot of LOI fans will be getting email addresses sold to spam lists soon

[Dodge]

With all due respect to the players not attached to clubs, if they were good enough, clubs would have signed them by now. Maybe the reason they haven't been signed is down to clubs' budgets/players' wage demands, but if they were good enough, surely a deal would be hammered out.
So no, I don't expect you to be just one season in the First Division

I think he's talking about the local Cork player pool, many of which would rather stay in Cork than play for a pittance in Galway, Longford or Dublin

In fairness, Cork's A teamand U21 teams have always been strong. I've no doubt's they're better placed than most to recover

[Real ale Madrid]

WHile I don't disagree. It'f be foolish to bank on any goodwill at the start. NO doubt there are people tired of the whole thing too

Oh defintely not banking on it - FORAS won't either.

[razor]

I think he's talking about the local Cork player pool, many of which would rather stay in Cork than play for a pittance in Galway, Longford or DublinQuite a lot have already gone to Waterford.

[Pablo Escobar]

With all due respect to the players not attached to clubs, if they were good enough, clubs would have signed them by now. Maybe the reason they haven't been signed is down to clubs' budgets/players' wage demands, but if they were good enough, surely a deal would be hammered out.
So no, I don't expect you to be just one season in the First Division
And I don't expect us to go up in one season. But I think we'll have a strong showing. And see Dodge's post above.

[Steveoc]

You are supposed to go from A Championship -> First Division -> Premier Division
It just so happened that only 20 clubs received eiter a Premier or First divsion licence.
Allowing the new Derry and Cork take the First division spots when they just so happened to get a First Division licence at the first time of asking, despite one of them missing the original deadline.

Two companies who have never before owned a football club let alone take part in senior football.

Of course it all just happened by chance that only 20 clubs got a licence making way for them two to be bumped up past the A Championship.

I'm almost certain that Derry were not late with their licence application. FORAS certainly weren't with theirs - unlike TNB & Co.

[pineapple stu]

Another website replies (http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2008/05/26/to-the-hacker-called-ghost61-from-turkey-hacking-islam/) to the same person who hacked the Cork forums. :p

[tonydaly]

FORAS had weeks, even months to square a deal but they clearly didn't bother their arses half as much as they claim to have. Even dealing with the inaccurate figures given by TNB they knew the club was in dire straits from last season and could have and should have made greater effort to take on the club back then when it was in some shape and sitting pretty with sponsors and some dignity. Instead they were more concerned with pretending to be moral crusaders at the hour in need; it was akin to calling the undertaker ahead of the ambulance at a crash scene. All they were doing was papering over the cracks of their own folly of not sorting it out earlier to appear to be the great white hope, Tom Coughlan patterned wallpaper that they will reuse anytime FORAS Alberts foul up in 2010.

I have to say I find your post rather strange. You post on something that judging by your post you have no knowledge of. By all means have a rant but at least try & make some sense.


Wait, you want us to take Cork people a) at their word and b) as sane? Sorry El, that ship has sailed ;) Tommy's ruined it for the rest of you

(or to answer your question, the holding company can easily have a different brand logo than the club)

Are you saying Cork people are liars,insane or what. Thankfully not all Cork people are like Tom Coughlan.

[Dodge]

Are you saying Cork people are liars,insane or what. Thankfully not all Cork people are like Tom Coughlan.

No, I was joking that the antics of Tom would tar you all.

I obviously forgot about humourless

[tonydaly]

No, I was joking that the antics of Tom would tar you all.

I obviously forgot about humourless

Thats better.Thank you for mentioning it. Were proud of our lack of humour down here. Although you'd need a sense of humour to follow the League of Ireland.:D

[Mr A]

A very decent summation of this sorry affair bu Daniel McDonnell in the Indo (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/despite-heartache-for-fans-and-players-the-harsh-reality-is-that-city-got-what-they-deserved-2076368.html) today.

[tonydaly]

A very decent summation of this sorry affair bu Daniel McDonnell in the Indo (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/despite-heartache-for-fans-and-players-the-harsh-reality-is-that-city-got-what-they-deserved-2076368.html) today.

Excellent piece. He's probably the first journalist to get all the facts right in this whole sorry mess.:ball:

[WoodquayBoy]

And I don't expect us to go up in one season. But I think we'll have a strong showing. And see Dodge's post above.

Fair enough, though with Waterford, Derry and Shels in the League as well, my point is, with 9 days to the season, I would doubt you'll finish top 5. Just an opinion.

[marinobohs]

Oh defintely not banking on it - FORAS won't either.

What it does do is call the bluff of some of the "boycotters" of Cork City. Surely no excuse now not to get behind the new club and if the support does come out I would see them as contenders for promotion this year.

[Pablo Escobar]

What it does do is call the bluff of some of the "boycotters" of Cork City. Surely no excuse now not to get behind the new club and if the support does come out I would see them as contenders for promotion this year.
It seems everyone is getting behind it. A fan owned club is definitely the way forward in this league.

[tonydaly]

What it does do is call the bluff of some of the "boycotters" of Cork City. Surely no excuse now not to get behind the new club and if the support does come out I would see them as contenders for promotion this year.

The "boycotter's" were not boycotting the club but Coughlan handling of it. This whole mess started some time ago & eventually some supporters felt the only way to get Coughlan out was to boycott matches. There has always been a hardcore fan base in Cork of between 2 to 3 thousand with another couple of thousand floaters which came out only for the big games. If the new club can get most of the hardcore fans out then they will do well & have a good first season.

[marinobohs]

The "boycotter's" were not boycotting the club but Coughlan handling of it. This whole mess started some time ago & eventually some supporters felt the only way to get Coughlan out was to boycott matches. There has always been a hardcore fan base in Cork of between 2 to 3 thousand with another couple of thousand floaters which came out only for the big games. If the new club can get most of the hardcore fans out then they will do well & have a good first season.
That was exactly my point TD, given the crowds that Cork attracted historically there is no reason why they will not challenge this season (even if not from the start). I would hope that now the club is in (hopefully ) good hands that the support level will increase dramtically on last season (even in the 1st Division) given the goodwill attached to the new entity I would see no reason why those that boycotted will not be back.

[derm]

That was exactly my point TD, given the crowds that Cork attracted historically there is no reason why they will not challenge this season (even if not from the start). I would hope that now the club is in (hopefully ) good hands that the support level will increase dramtically on last season (even in the 1st Division) given the goodwill attached to the new entity I would see no reason why those that boycotted will not be back.

The boycotters will be back, but there may be some people who were just sick of the whole thing who stopped going -in fact the mess that was CCFC under Tom was so bad it nearly caused fans of other clubs to give up :). With the buzz of a fan-run team I'd hope we'd get big crowds (big for the 1st anyway) but will not be counting any chickens just yet...

[tonydaly]

That was exactly my point TD, given the crowds that Cork attracted historically there is no reason why they will not challenge this season (even if not from the start). I would hope that now the club is in (hopefully ) good hands that the support level will increase dramtically on last season (even in the 1st Division) given the goodwill attached to the new entity I would see no reason why those that boycotted will not be back.

But as you know some people will always find some excuse for not going,wrong night,football is poor, don't like the team colours etc. Long ago it was,stadiums are crap,no facilities. With the standard of most grounds now you can finish work go to the stadium,get something to eat & sit in comfort to watch a good game of football. Hopefully if the matches are on a Friday or Saturday night people will come out & support their local club.

[dahamsta]

Was that aimed at my don't feed the animals comment ?? C'mon Adam,the guy is clearly trolling/WummingIt wasn't, but can you stop dragging the thread off-topic please? If you have a problem with a post report it. And don't reply, just keep quiet and mind your business please.

[Youths4Ever]

hi is there a website for Foras yet think or somewhere to get the new creat i saw something on a one page in the thread somewhere but i cant seem to find it any help apprecaited

also from a future quiz question point of view where Wexford the last team to play Cork City FC know meant to have other pre season friendlies after we played them last week but not sure if then went ahead

[Doomofman]

http://www.corkcityforasco-op.com/

Kevin Mullen is General Manager, Eanna Buckley is club administrator

[Youths4Ever]

http://www.corkcityforasco-op.com/

Kevin Mullen is General Manager, Eanna Buckley is club administrator


thanks

[Réiteoir]

http://www.corkcityforasco-op.com/

Kevin Mullen is General Manager, Eanna Buckley is club administrator

Does Eanna still post on here at all?

[Mr A]

http://www.corkcityforasco-op.com/

Kevin Mullen is General Manager, Eanna Buckley is club administrator

Delighted to see Eanna involved with the new club, definitely one of the good guys.

[Doomofman]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0224/dunnet_corkcityforas.html


Cork City FORAS Co-op have appointed former Shamrock Rovers defender Tommy Dunne as first team manager.

Dunne is very familiar with Cork football after working with Paul Doolin as assistant manager in Cork in the 2009 season.

Speaking about the appointment, Dunne said: 'It's a job I would always have liked and I'm delighted to take it on.

'Last year was an enjoyable year for me even though there were problems with the club.

'I've enjoyed being in Cork, the people, playing in Turner's Cross and the atmosphere there. It's an exciting job and I'm looking forward to getting started.'

Foras site is up now as well... Not much on it mind...

[dahamsta]

Delighted to see Eanna involved with the new club, definitely one of the good guys.+1. Also passionate about the club. I seem to remember the aforementioned passion stirring trouble on Foot.ie on occasion :), but I met him in person a couple of times and he was dead-on; and looking back to then, Administrator seems a perfect position for him.

(I don't think he posts here any more Réiteoir, unfortunately.)

[micls]

Question for a FORAS member/Micls, yere hardly fufilling that fixture down in cahir are ye?? Wouldnt mind going for a look if it was to happen.
No, unfortunately because fo the timing we simply wouldnt be ready.

Just saw the website 120 for membership?? Thats very good. Is that a season ticket too or what?? Either way well impressed with it. Fair play

Just membership. Basically we're asking that people now sign up, pay 10euro a month and own part of your club.

Again, timing mean we wont have a membership package which includes season ticket for this season.

Our season ticket packages will be announced asap.

[dahamsta]

Just membership. Basically we're asking that people now sign up, pay 10euro a month and own part of your club.I'll do that next month when I've the dosh. It'll be an individual membership though, Foot.ie can't afford your high-falutin' business memberships, plus of course there'd be a conflict of interest. :)

If you don't mind some constructive feedback, ye've disabled right-click on the site, which means people can't copy the email address to send payment without using the Edit menu, which might not occur to them. A Buy Now (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/xcl/rec/singleitem-intro-outside) button would work best though, they're dead easy to make on the PayPal site. If you need a hand, give me a shout.

(Getting technical, you should get right of the right-click script anyway, if someone wants to steal your content they'll find a a way around it, by just disabling javascript, taking a screenshot, installing Firebug, etc. And it's terrible from an accessibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility) point of view.)

[micls]

I'll do that next month when I've the dosh. It'll be an individual membership though, Foot.ie can't afford your high-falutin' business memberships, plus of course there'd be a conflict of interest. :)

Fantastic :)


If you don't mind some constructive feedback, ye've disabled right-click on the site, which means people can't copy the email address to send payment. A Pay With PayPal button would work best though, they're dead easy to make on the PayPal site. If you need a hand, give me a shout.

(Getting technical, you should get right of the right-click script anyway, if someone wants to steal your content they'll find a away around it, by just disabling javascript, taking a screenshot, installing Firebug, etc. And it's terrible from an accessibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility) point of view.)

Feedback always welcome. It can be passed on. I imagine that site will become somewhat redundant in the near future with the new interim club site online. Id imagine it'l be moved over.

[Dodge]

It seems everyone is getting behind it. A fan owned club is definitely the way forward in this league.

Yep, Bohs have shown us the way to cleaner, better finances

[L.T.F.C.]

It seems everyone is getting behind it. A fan owned club is definitely the way forward in this league.

I think thats the problem... the fans are passionate about the club etc and have the clubs best interests at heart, but the real problem is that the club aren't ran like a business. Fans wouldn't be able to do that imo

[abbeyvale]

I think thats the problem... the fans are passionate about the club etc and have the clubs best interests at heart, but the real problem is that the club aren't ran like a business. Fans wouldn't be able to do that imo

Guys, is it true that Cork FORAS will now swap places with Bray in Div 1?

[Dodge]

Bray are in the premier. 100%

[abbeyvale]

Bray are in the premier. 100%

Looks like a straight swap then, will Cork Foras still have a large following this season lads????

[Pablo Escobar]

Looks like a straight swap then, will Cork Foras still have a large following this season lads????

Yes, the biggest the 1st Div has seen ;)

[Martinho II]

Does Eanna still post on here at all?

eanna hasnt posted in well over a yr or two..

[bluemovie]

New crest looks like a sales pitch. "Cork City (available) for a scoop"

Yeah I read it the same way. It's like an offer to go drinking - "Are you going for a scoop?"

By the way, I couldn't find this thread. I was looking in the First Division section.

[dcfc1928]

Yes, the biggest the 1st Div has seen ;)

Don't want to rain on your parade but Derry City were getting regular 8-10,000 crowds in 1985 in the second tier.

[abbeyvale]

Don't want to rain on your parade but Derry City were getting regular 8-10,000 crowds in 1985 in the second tier.

What type of support will they have this season, and would they have a large following for away games?

[pineapple stu]

By the way, I couldn't find this thread. I was looking in the First Division section.
They'll get relegated here just as soon as TNB runs out of appeals. So sometime next year is my guess.

[tonydaly]

Don't want to rain on your parade but Derry City were getting regular 8-10,000 crowds in 1985 in the second tier.

I remember those times.That was a very exciting Derry team with Kristic,De Game ,Da Silva & others. I wonder where all those fans went ? Derry hadn't had senior football for some years before that time I think so it was something new.These things tend to come in waves. We had great crowds down here in the late sixties & early seventies,in fact we had over 20k at a game here in 1972,then a barren spell.Then in the eighty's it picked up again & here we are down again but I'm sure things will pick up again.
If the League & the Clubs were run properly I'm sure people would come back again.

[bluemovie]

we had over 20k at a game here in 1972,then a barren spell.

Who was playing and how did it go for ye?

[tonydaly]

Who was playing and how did it go for ye?

I thought as a Waterford fan you'd know all that or maybe you're just a johnny come lately ;)
You would see by my crest that I wasn't unduly worried by the result although I did have the pleasure of seeing Cork Hibs beat Waterford to win their first trophy in 1969.