Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

[Dodge]

Just curious as to your reasoned explanation for this thought of yours? The 'promotion' to the Premier Divison back in 2007? United topped the table ahead of Waterford (with Dundalk coming next) in the criteria, I really doubt the FAI heads sat down and worked out a template that would suit United ahead of everyone else

You didn't top the table. You finished 12th in the table, and as individual marks for each section were not released to clubs (nor a detailed bbreakdown of how points could be awarded) , the accusations of favouritism can absolutely be levelled at the FAI and Galway

[disgruntled]

I would have said about the same. Perhaps a little more.

I would go along those lines. Perhaps even 3 to 1.


Fair play to Dundalk FC. At least one club has the balls to come out and speak the truth.

I wonder will others follow suit?

Maybe if all the clubs in the League of Ireland stuck together we mightn't find ourselves in this position.Clubs not willing to support other clubs is one of the reasons we have a micky mouse league run by Muppets.


Never thought I'd say this but . . . well done Dundalk FC.
As for the concerns of Bray and Cork fans regarding signing players and the transfer deadline, correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm not), but the deadline is in relation to signing players on the books of another club. Out of work players can still be signed after this date, which seems to be a hell of a lot of players. Granted, I would imagine the better players will have been signed by Feb 22, but it doesn't mean club's can't strenghten their squads with non contracted players

You are right.Out of contract players may be signed provided they were out of contract before the end of the last transfer window & yes there are many good unsigned players out there.Signing players is only one part of the process. You then have to make them into a team.

[jinxy lilywhite]

Just curious as to your reasoned explanation for this thought of yours? The 'promotion' to the Premier Divison back in 2007? United topped the table ahead of Waterford (with Dundalk coming next) in the criteria, I really doubt the FAI heads sat down and worked out a template that would suit United ahead of everyone else. If you know different, kindly enlighten us (and no, I don't want to get back into this again).
As for eamo1, don't be daft, if I recall correctly you threatened a similar boycott last year. If you don't want to support your local team, you go ahead and join the vast majority moaning from afar, but the League of Ireland family is small enough without this kind of reaction from one of its own

okay so Galway are placed above a team that finishes the season a good bit above them. have beaten them head to head by wining 3 and drawing 1 and dundalk then forced to play a meaningless play off against waterford in which they won over two legs. Waterford on the other hand where in the Premier for a couple of season and Galway still got the nod. You don't see any favourtism for geographical reasons.
I actually like Galway and think your supporters are a good bunch of lads and if the shoe was on the other foot we'd accept it too, but it was purely bias from the FAI/IAG process.

I think dundalk's press release is a little premature. I think our PR guy should of waited until an actual decision was made. This could be a the some others have pointed out that we are trying to infleunce the outcome of the licensing.

European football though would be great but we actually will have to play the games in Dublin with reduced attendence (because we will not appeal to a Dublin footballing public) and an away trip to the back arse of nowhere I don't see any benefit to it.

I have heard that we will be skipped for a european place because AFAIK Fozzy hasn't got a pro licence and therefore is inelligable to manager a side in europe. can anyone shed some light?

[disgruntled]

fair play to Dundalk for the release. They have a legitimate expectation to a euro place and they are just doing what they need to do to protect that. Its to be admired. I hope it puts pressure on Delaney to put pressure on the Independent Licensing Committee to DO THE RIGHT THING!

You will only put pressure on the FAI if all the clubs stick together but you & I know that will never happen in the league of Ireland ever.

[Battery Rover]

To qualify for a European UEFA license both manager and assistant manager must hold current pro licenses. I will verify that later when I have access to my manual.

[derm]

okay so Galway are placed above a team that finishes the season a good bit above them. have beaten them head to head by wining 3 and drawing 1 and dundalk then forced to play a meaningless play off against waterford in which they won over two legs. Waterford on the other hand where in the Premier for a couple of season and Galway still got the nod. You don't see any favourtism for geographical reasons.
I actually like Galway and think your supporters are a good bunch of lads and if the shoe was on the other foot we'd accept it too, but it was purely bias from the FAI/IAG process.

I think dundalk's press release is a little premature. I think our PR guy should of waited until an actual decision was made. This could be a the some others have pointed out that we are trying to infleunce the outcome of the licensing.

European football though would be great but we actually will have to play the games in Dublin with reduced attendence (because we will not appeal to a Dublin footballing public) and an away trip to the back arse of nowhere I don't see any benefit to it.

I have heard that we will be skipped for a european place because AFAIK Fozzy hasn't got a pro licence and therefore is inelligable to manager a side in europe. can anyone shed some light?

Basically he'll have to get one. Shoddy's in same boat (tho' it's the least of his problems) and seemed confident of getting it. I can only imagine that honesty and loyalty aren't tested ...

[disgruntled]

okay so Galway are placed above a team that finishes the season a good bit above them. have beaten them head to head by wining 3 and drawing 1 and dundalk then forced to play a meaningless play off against waterford in which they won over two legs. Waterford on the other hand where in the Premier for a couple of season and Galway still got the nod. You don't see any favourtism for geographical reasons.

Thats interesting about the pro license because if Collins is in charge in Cork we can't play in Europe because Collins doesn't have a pro license either.

[PartySaint]

Dundalk FC appear to be the first club to break silence on the Cork City licence scandal.

"It is entirely laudable that the FAI are considerate of creditors, but this is a step too far. It is pretty obvious that Cork City do not hold the required tax clearance certificate at the close-off date, and that the rules and regulations are being applied unevenly. We have no wish for any club to be denied a rightful place in the league, and have empathy for Bray Wanderers and their supporters in the current uncertainty. In relation to the Europa League, we expect to be nominated as the League of Ireland's third representative and we will be making our feelings known in no uncertain terms to the FAI.
The additional ambiguity about our initial series of fixtures is an inconvenience for the club and it's supporters, although Europa League nomination and the application of fair play are the fundamental issues. We expect the FAI and the Independent Club Licensing Committee to do the right thing when eventually the decisions are finally announced."

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/2883/

How dare Dundalk come out with this crap, If you are reading this Mr FAI man dont give that bunch of rebels Corks European spot, Give it to Pats we have been such good boys

[A face]

Hanging up my scarf and not renewing my season ticket.As someone said its bad enough when officals on the pitch make poor decisions that go for the bigger club,you can put those down to "mistakes".However when the administrators of the league favour the bigger clubs too then how is that fair?????????????I wouldnt mind but Galway Utd starting to put together a handy squad,knowing my luck they will do really well this season.I just cant justify though forking out money to support a league where fairness and equality are clearly and blatantly not being shown by those controlling it.

Will you be keeping blog documenting your boycott?

[kid creole]

He doesnt mention a boycott . His frustration at the league is apparent.

[disgruntled]

How dare Dundalk come out with this crap, If you are reading th
is Mr FAI man dont give that bunch of rebels Corks European spot, Give it to Pats we have been such good boys


Don't give it to any of them. They're all crap :D

[LukeO]

Hanging up my scarf and not renewing my season ticket.As someone said its bad enough when officals on the pitch make poor decisions that go for the bigger club,you can put those down to "mistakes".However when the administrators of the league favour the bigger clubs too then how is that fair?????????????I wouldnt mind but Galway Utd starting to put together a handy squad,knowing my luck they will do really well this season.I just cant justify though forking out money to support a league where fairness and equality are clearly and blatantly not being shown by those controlling it.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/facepalm.jpg

That's bad enough coming from anyone... but a Galway fan? Give me strength... :confused:

[LukeO]

He doesnt mention a boycott . His frustration at the league is apparent.

Hanging up his scarf, not renewing his season ticket. It's implied. Duh.

[The Lilywhites]

I just cant justify though forking out money to support a league where fairness and equality are clearly and blatantly not being shown by those controlling it.

Short memory you have.

[CSFShels]

Galway was completely different to Cork, but still would be nuts to take it out on your own club. A mass boycott of the new Ireland jersey would be much better served and would probably get a decent amount of media coverage if enough relevant people (people who would have bought normally) took part.

[Ezeikial]

I think dundalk's press release is a little premature. I think our PR guy should of waited until an actual decision was made. This could be a the some others have pointed out that we are trying to infleunce the outcome of the licensing.


Complaining about a decision after it is annouced would be way too late.

Of course it is trying to exert influence - on the Europa League place which Dundalk believe is their entitlement.

The alternative of course is to trust the FAI to reach the morally correct decision themselves




European football though would be great but we actually will have to play the games in Dublin with reduced attendence (because we will not appeal to a Dublin footballing public) and an away trip to the back arse of nowhere I don't see any benefit to it.

I have heard that we will be skipped for a european place because AFAIK Fozzy hasn't got a pro licence and therefore is inelligable to manager a side in europe. can anyone shed some light?

If you follow your logic if Dundalk win the league or cup or otherwise finish in the top three in 2010 would you advocate declining the Euro spot?

In any case there comes a time when you must stand up and be counted, irrespective of whether some feathers get ruffled

[dcfcsteve]

Galway was completely different to Cork, but still would be nuts to take it out on your own club. A mass boycott of the new Ireland jersey would be much better served and would probably get a decent amount of media coverage if enough relevant people (people who would have bought normally) took part.

A couple of dozen tops not being bought would make no difference on the FAI. And let's be honest - that's what it would be. It would be less than a dot in the huge picture of financial pain that the FAI has for not making a World Cup yet again on top of the Lansdowne boxes not selling.

The answer for fans isn't to get angry, it's to get organised.

Irish football needs a fan federation. But the leadership is never there on the ground to set one up, let alone keep it going.

So we're doomed to continue the cycle of feeling shafted, moaning, and then doing nothnig substantive or constructive about it until the next time we feel shafted. The deja vu world of Irish domestic soccer continues.

[Celdrog]

Fair play to Dundalk - they are only saying publicy what the majority of fans (cork included) are saying on here.

[LK37oldskool]

just wondering would it be possible for someone to set up an online petition against the FAIs handling of the CCFC situation.The majority of posters here are paying customers of the LOI and surely would have to be taken seriously by the powers that be.
Its lookin like there a shoe in for most hated team in the league before a ball is even kicked.

[CSFShels]

just wondering would it be possible for someone to set up an online petition against the FAIs handling of the CCFC situation.The majority of posters here are paying customers of the LOI and surely would have to be taken seriously by the powers that be.
Its lookin like there a shoe in for most hated team in the league before a ball is even kicked.
Of course its possible, go for it.

[paudie]

Fair dues to Dundalk for putting their head above the parapet.

I think City will get a Premier licence but this will put pressure on the FAI to give us a big points deduction

[Nesta99]

Fair dues to Dundalk for putting their head above the parapet.

I think City will get a Premier licence but this will put pressure on the FAI to give us a big points deduction

I dont think that Cork will be deducted any more than 10 pts. That would still mean Cork finish third with Derrys relegation. The sweetener for Dundalk will be the prize money for a 4th place finish....

[SkStu]

i would impose a points deduction for the coming season and invite Dundalk to take Corks "earned" place in europe - i believe that euro qualifying is solely at the FAI's discretion, meaning that your final placing in the league is not the sole deciding factor on who gets into Europe...

I dont know if the first punishment is possible but im pretty sure the FAI can "legally" offer Corks spot to Dundalk.

[srfc1928]

http://www.loi.ie/index.php/about/press-office/1409-setanta-fixture-postponed
Tuesday, 16 February 2010 19:35
The Setanta Sports Cup Organising Committee today announced that the fixture between Sligo Rovers and Cork City, originally scheduled for February 22nd, has been postponed following the decision of the Independent Club Licensing Committee to defer its decision on Cork City until after the High Court case comes in for mention on Monday, February 22nd.
Also when the game is to be played, of course at Corks convience, Sligo Rovers will have to play with one arm tied behind each players back and hop on one leg.

[dong]

http://www.loi.ie/index.php/about/press-office/1409-setanta-fixture-postponed
Tuesday, 16 February 2010 19:35
The Setanta Sports Cup Organising Committee today announced that the fixture between Sligo Rovers and Cork City, originally scheduled for February 22nd, has been postponed following the decision of the Independent Club Licensing Committee to defer its decision on Cork City until after the High Court case comes in for mention on Monday, February 22nd.
Also when the game is to be played, of course at Corks convience, Sligo Rovers will have to play with one arm tied behind each players back and hop on one leg.

:D
Very funny but this is gone way beyond a joke.
Sure who cares about any other clubs preparations for the season.:mad:

[SkStu]

I dont think that Cork will be deducted any more than 10 pts. That would still mean Cork finish third with Derrys relegation. The sweetener for Dundalk will be the prize money for a 4th place finish....

what about Dundalk's budget? Would the euro football vs. no euro football have had an impact on your budgeting, i wonder? Im not sure anyone here would necesarily know the answer and i suppose it mightnt necessarily impact your budget too much either way...

[tippex]

Has there been any indication as to whether TNB has furnished the consortium with the required documents?

[paudie]

I dont think that Cork will be deducted any more than 10 pts. That would still mean Cork finish third with Derrys relegation. The sweetener for Dundalk will be the prize money for a 4th place finish....

Don't think the points deduction will be for last season but for 2010.

[Celdrog]

what about Dundalk's budget? Would the euro football vs. no euro football have had an impact on your budgeting, i wonder? Im not sure anyone here would necesarily know the answer and i suppose it mightnt necessarily impact your budget too much either way...€100k just for playing in it. €100k for each round progressed. So a huge big yes.
If we get the fair play spot (i'm sure same for Galway), it will pay several weeks wages.

[Nesta99]

I was looking at a way that the FAI might propose/find an out! Additional prize money not to rock the Cork boat? Until the start 0f the 10/11 season would any Examinerships not affect the 09/10 season placings, prize money and Europe?

[WoodquayBoy]

You didn't top the table. You finished 12th in the table, and as individual marks for each section were not released to clubs (nor a detailed bbreakdown of how points could be awarded) , the accusations of favouritism can absolutely be levelled at the FAI and Galway

I should have been cleraer, in the mini-league of us, Dundalk and Waterford, we topped the table

[sligoman]

If we get the fair play spot (i'm sure same for Galway), it will pay several weeks wages.Depends who you're playing. No regionalisation anymore, could end up in Kazakhstan. That plus ye might have to rent Dalymount?...won't be much profit unless ye get through to next round.

[Celdrog]

Even with a charter, accomodation and renting Dalyer we would still make a profit. We'd get 3,000+ at home at €20 a pop. Pay most of the expenses. Same for Galway and Dundalk. We could also go up North or to Wales and have bugger all costs

[jan molby]

How dare Dundalk come out with this crap, If you are reading this Mr FAI man dont give that bunch of rebels Corks European spot, Give it to Pats we have been such good boys


fair play to Dundalk .they have said what i think all league of ireland fans are thinking. a bray fan

[El-Pietro]

was sitting at the back of the room and thought it was slightly over 2 to 1 in favour.
i was on the other side of the room, thought it was a bit closer than that

[The Lilywhites]

Dundalk eye Cork's place in Europe

AS THE process of trying to establish the full extent of Cork City’s debts continued yesterday, the first signs of dissatisfaction with the amount of leniency shown to the southerners by the FAI’s licensing committee began to show with Dundalk claiming they should get City’s place in next year’s Europa League.

City’s place in Europe may well come up for grabs in the event the takeover of the club by a new consortium fails to go through. It’s fate was still far from certain last night amid speculation the ongoing due diligence was producing a larger than expected list of creditors.

At a club board meeting on Monday night, however, Dundalk officials decided they should stake a claim to the Europa Cup spot before the matter of City’s licence is formally resolved and the club has written to the FAI to argue it should be nominated to represent the league in Europe.

“We appreciate the FAI is in a difficult situation here,” said Dundalk’s Colm Crosson yesterday, “and we can understand why the association is keen to keep City in the Premier Division but we feel it’s clear that they did not have a tax clearance certificate on the stated date and we don’t want to appear shy about claiming what we believe to be rightfully ours.

“The impression I get at the moment,” he added, “is that it’s the independent licensing committee’s intention to grant City a licence for next year and if they can find a basis for doing that then it doesn’t seem likely that they are likely to impose sanctions of any sort. We are just saying we want even-handedness towards those clubs, like ourselves, who did comply with the various conditions and deadlines laid out in the licensing documentation when we were supposed to.”

One problem to be overcome by Cork in relation to Europe, even if the club is saved by the new consortium, is the fact Roddy Collins does not have the appropriate coaching qualifications to manage a club in European competition. But neither, as it happens, does Dundalk manager Ian Foster. “That’s a separate issue,” insists Crosson, “and for the time being, it’s an irrelevancy.”

The attempt to skip City in the queue for European football later this year should make for a frosty atmosphere in the directors’ box at Turner’s Cross on March 5th as Dundalk are due to start their league campaign in Cork in the event City do survive intact.

The fact City’s fate will not be clear until at least next Monday, however, means the league will today publish provisional fixture lists for both of its top divisions with Bray, who will travel to Derry in a fortnight in the event things proceed as planned, also watching developments and waiting to see if City’s downfall will mean a last-minute reprieve for them.

“There’s nothing we can do about any of it so we’ll just wait and see what happens,” says Wanderers chairman Eddie Slevin.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0217/1224264629396.html

[Nedser]

It seems to me that one of the big flaws in the system is that the deadlines are so far after the end of the season, or more importantly so close to the start of the new season. Even without yesterday's shambles, even if everything had been confirmed "on schedule", it's ridiculous to only announe who is in what division so close to the season starting. The full fixture list should have been released long before now, never mind who is playing in what division. Why can't all deadlines be the end of November, with licensing decisions confirmed before Christmas, and no exceptions?

I know the leagues in Britain don't have licensing as such, but there are minimum criteria that teams must meet to qualify for the various divisions. Teams have been prevented from entering the English League (Stevenage?) and SPL because their grounds weren't up to scratch, even though they theoretically won promotion . As far as I can tell, the deadlines for meeting those criteria in England in Scotland are before the previous season ends, i.e. you have to meet the criteria at the time when you gain promotion on the field. Similarly, if a club wants to play in the LOI Premier next season, they should have to comply with all criteria at the end of this season.

Does anyone know why the decision on licensing has to be put off til mid Feb? Scheduling it like this encourages clubs to do whatever they like during the season and then spend the close season trying to sort out the mess they've created. Clubs should have to comply continuously, and if that was the case, there would be no reason why the decision on licensing can't be made as soon as the previous season finishes.

[Buile Shuibhne]

CORK CITY last night claimed that the six-figure tax bill which has threatened the club’s future has been ‘cleared’.

But there is still no indication that a proposed takeover has moved any closer to being realised.

The club’s representatives are now reportedly attempting to bring forward the deferred High Court hearing aimed at winding-up the club in order to speed up the proposed takeover being facilitated by the Quintas Group on behalf of Peter Gray, Michael O’Connell and FORAS, the Cork City Supporters Trust.

With the consortium determined to ensure that a Premier Division license is in place before any deal is possible, the Independent Club Licensing Committee granted City a week’s grace on Monday to allow the Leesiders clear their €107,653 tax bill.

But, contrary to reports yesterday, there was still no deal last night. The impasse is believed to be a consequence of ongoing concerns about the full scale of the club’s indebtedness, now believed to be in the region of €800,000.

.........................................


http://www.examiner.ie/sport/tax-bill-cleared-but-city-takeover-still-in-balance-112390.html

[jinxy lilywhite]

Complaining about a decision after it is annouced would be way too late.

Of course it is trying to exert influence - on the Europa League place which Dundalk believe is their entitlement.

The alternative of course is to trust the FAI to reach the morally correct decision themselves

But the decision hasn't been announced has it. Ezeikial you know more about the licensing process than me and imo i think we have jumped the gun too early because the true position of CCFC is yet to be determined and I am pretty sure there is a term in the T&C of the process about other clubs making public criticisms of the process. A rash judgement like the Dave Rogers debacle does come back to mind.




If you follow your logic if Dundalk win the league or cup or otherwise finish in the top three in 2010 would you advocate declining the Euro spot?

In any case there comes a time when you must stand up and be counted, irrespective of whether some feathers get ruffled

No i wouldn't I would want us to have our european spot but I don't see the point of us having to play a european game in Dublin with the added expenses of pitch rentals and a lower attendence than we'd have in Oriel and haveing to travel to the back arse of nowhere and waste any prize money on travel expenses to which will be of no benefit to the club.
Anyway if we do get into europe this season it will only be by default and not because we deserved it.

[Dodge]

No i wouldn't I would want us to have our european spot but I don't see the point of us having to play a european game in Dublin with the added expenses of pitch rentals and a lower attendence than we'd have in Oriel and haveing to travel to the back arse of nowhere and waste any prize money on travel expenses to which will be of no benefit to the club.
Anyway if we do get into europe this season it will only be by default and not because we deserved it.

Every club wants europe, and they all make money on it.

[derm]

Some of the newly uncovered debts relate to the examinership period. TNB took over the club, agreed to pay a percentage of the debts and they're still an issue. I can't count the times I've had a feeling of pure disgust caused by that man. No doubt these are the debts relating to the previous regime that he was always harping on about, I thought they were only the deferred player wages

[Mr A]

Bray also voice annoyance over the issue (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/gormley-rages-at-ridiculous-fai-decision-to-defer-ruling-on-cork-future-2066275.html).


Bray Wanderers manager Eddie Gormley last night labelled the latest development "ridiculous", saying it was a missed chance for the league's organising body to restore some much-needed credibility.

"The reality is we have to wait until next Monday to discover what division we're in and the transfer window closes next Monday," said the 41-year-old former St Patrick's Athletic midfielder.

"It's a ridiculous situation we're in, and we (the League of Ireland) are a bit of a laughing stock at this stage.

"I have to be careful with what I say, but if you were to ask me, would Bray have had the same decision if we were in the same position (as Cork), I'd say definitely not.

Strict

"If this committee is independent and if there are strict rules in place, there could only have been one decision yesterday, even if it would have been a difficult one.

"So it begs the question, are the rules there and are they the same for each club?"

[disgruntled]

It seems to me that one of the big flaws in the system is that the deadlines are so far after the end of the season, or more importantly so close to the start of the new season. Even without yesterday's shambles, even if everything had been confirmed "on schedule", it's ridiculous to only announe who is in what division so close to the season starting. The full fixture list should have been released long before now, never mind who is playing in what division. Why can't all deadlines be the end of November, with licensing decisions confirmed before Christmas, and no exceptions?

If the decision on licensing was taken earlier only a handful of clubs would make it.Since licensing came in this has been going on. The FAI have been bending over backwards to try & get clubs through the process.You should either meet the criteria or not & if not you don't get a license,end of story. I think if this attitude was taken you would be surprised how quickly clubs would catch on. Like the old saying "Give them an inch & they'll take a mile"


Bray also voice annoyance over the issue (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/gormley-rages-at-ridiculous-fai-decision-to-defer-ruling-on-cork-future-2066275.html).

"So it begs the question, are the rules there and are they the same for each club?"

What gave you that idea ;) Of course the rules aren't the same for everyone & everyone knows it. Although within the rules the reason for the FAI's stance with Cork stinks to high heaven.
I can understand where Bray are coming from but I have to laugh as well. Last season Bray got two chances to stay up because of what happened to Derry & they still couldn't manage it.

[White Horse]

I can understand where Bray are coming from but I have to laugh as well. Last season Bray got two chances to stay up because of what happened to Derry & they still couldn't manage it.

The issue is that they were working within the rules. The rules are there for a reason.

What you are saying is that two teams can play a match and the offside rule only applies to one team.

[OneRedArmy]

Even with a charter, accomodation and renting Dalyer we would still make a profit. We'd get 3,000+ at home at €20 a pop. Pay most of the expenses. Same for Galway and Dundalk. We could also go up North or to Wales and have bugger all costsThat wouldn't even pay for the plane...

Even accounting for the UEFA prize money Europe doesn't pay in the early rounds.

[seand]

That wouldn't even pay for the plane...

Even accounting for the UEFA prize money Europe doesn't pay in the early rounds.

Maybe not if you're paying your players on double contracts.

[pineapple stu]

Even accounting for the UEFA prize money Europe doesn't pay in the early rounds.
Does it not?

E90k for an away trip is E3k a head, give or take - 18 players, manager, assistant manager, physio, couple of officials, injured players; a party of 30 all told, say. Does it really cost E3k a head for a three-day holiday? How much does chartering a plane cost?

[tonydaly]

If Cork broke the rules then of course they should be punished but so must every other club who broke rules as well but that will not happen because the FAI fudge every time when the hard decision must be taken. The FAI excuse is that the clubs deserve a chance to be able to change their ways of operating but you & I know that will never happen.
Of course Bray were within the rules last season but that was not the reason they were relegated. If what has happened to Cork had happened to some other clubs they would be out on their ear but for geographical reasons the rules are being bent a little.Of course just because its within the rules doesn't make it right.

[derm]

Of course Bray were within the rules last season but that was not the reason they were relegated. If what has happened to Cork had happened to some other clubs they would be out on their ear but for geographical reasons the rules are being bent a little.Of course just because its within the rules doesn't make it right.

I haven't read the licensing manual, but I'd be confident that the rules would be adhered to whether or not Bray were in Cork City's situation. However, I would also be confident that the different breaches that City have committed can be punished by different methods up to denial of the license. I won't speculate on whether these penalties would be more or less severe on one club over another ...

[tippex]

Some of the newly uncovered debts relate to the examinership period. TNB took over the club, agreed to pay a percentage of the debts and they're still an issue. I can't count the times I've had a feeling of pure disgust caused by that man. No doubt these are the debts relating to the previous regime that he was always harping on about, I thought they were only the deferred player wages

Derm this newly uncovered debt when was this uncovered?
I thought Due dilligence had previously been performed?