Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

[SeanDrog]

there is one thing I cant understand

if TNB somehow got a licence etc - who on earth would sign to play for him given his history of payments etc

How do they expect to put a squad together. You would need a serious hole in your head to risk not getting paid.

[tiktok]

Rumours that Dave Rogers trained with us today. It seems Barry Ryan was seen around Cork in recent times as well.


So, let's have a look at a possible rumoured state of play........

Barry Ryan
Greg O'H__Dave Rogers__Willo McDonagh (I know, just fitting him in here)
Joxer__Georgie__Michael Keane__Ritchie Baker
Trevor Molloy__Anto Flood

Manager: Roddy Collins
Chairman: Tom Coughlan

Carlsberg don't do minefields, but if they did.....

[SeanDrog]

didnt realise so many line up but


WHY

what sane person would run the risk - what goes through their mind
Sympathy for last years plaers but wont have any for next seasons players if a similar situation arises (if TNB gets a licence etc)

[Louth4sam]

Looks like things are fairly desperate.

Sorry to go off topic, but that's genius. :D

[brianw82]

Rumours that Dave Rogers trained with us today. It seems Barry Ryan was seen around Cork in recent times as well.


So, let's have a look at a possible rumoured state of play........

Barry Ryan
Greg O'H__Dave Rogers__Willo McDonagh (I know, just fitting him in here)
Joxer__Georgie__Michael Keane__Ritchie Baker
Trevor Molloy__Anto Flood

Manager: Roddy Collins
Chairman: Tom Coughlan

Carlsberg don't do minefields, but if they did.....

Only 10 players there. Get Mickey Collins in and you'd have a right team of pure nutters.

[Dunny]

Only 10 players there. Get Mickey Collins in and you'd have a right team of pure nutters.

Playing brilliant for Crusaders atm.

[sheao]

City playing a friendly with Crosshaven down in Cobh next Friday night.
Greg O'Halloran coaches Crosshaven in the Munster senior league .

[tiktok]

Only 10 players there.

that's because Micky Collons will get sent off before kick off :eek:

[Penfold]

Surely it's not just a matter of cancelling player contracts and everything is Hunky-Dory. All of these players are owed sustantial back pay. I've heard that the PFAI is gearing up to take cases to the labour court under legislation like constructive dismissal and non-payment of wages. Between that and the winding-up order the club will not be able to function. Talk of new teams is pie in the sky.

[tiktok]

Surely it's not just a matter of cancelling player contracts and everything is Hunky-Dory. All of these players are owed sustantial back pay. I've heard that the PFAI is gearing up to take case to the labour court under legislation like constructive dismissal and non-payment of wages. Between that and the winding-up order the club will not be able to function. Talk of new teams is pie in the sky.

PFAI in balls-growing shocker!

[Mad Moose]

Notice how he is getting Roddy to to his dirty work for him.

It may sound like a joke but that would suggest Coughlan has foresight and god forbid some intelligence. I think it might be a first on this thread to suggest so.

[SkStu]

Tommy No Bobs ate my hamster!!!

[weecountyman]

It may sound like a joke but that would suggest Coughlan has foresight and god forbid some intelligence. I think it might be a first on this thread to suggest so.

Roddy loves the limelight and being the mouthpiece for a broken regime is ideal. He's been sacked off RTE, hanging by a thread to the Star and Newstalk (and Tommy) told him to apologise to Floriana (Tommy again after his latest lie telling on 98fm) for spoofing as they all got hit with solicitors letters. As I repeated from the great man earlier on this thread - he's been told on good authority that Cork have been assured their licence and spot in Europe. Seems there is no justice in this world.

[razor]

he's been told on good authority that Cork have been assured their licence and spot in Europe. Seems there is no justice in this world.The story coming out of Abbottstown is completely the opposite so who told him ? :eek:

[Celdrog]

Roddy loves the limelight.You certainly do ;)

[Enruoblehs]

Surely it's not just a matter of cancelling player contracts and everything is Hunky-Dory. All of these players are owed sustantial back pay. I've heard that the PFAI is gearing up to take cases to the labour court under legislation like constructive dismissal and non-payment of wages. Between that and the winding-up order the club will not be able to function. Talk of new teams is pie in the sky.

If their case goes to the Labour Court, is the non-payment of wages etc. not taken out of the Licensing Process.

The timing of this could be very telling.

[yiddo]

Sean Ryan has a good article in today's Indo

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/coughlans-sweet-shop-mentality-turns-city-sour-2029381.html

[northwestexile]

PFAI in balls-growing shocker!
Only 22 days in and we already have post of the year

[Celdrog]

Sean Ryan has a good article in today's Indo

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/coughlans-sweet-shop-mentality-turns-city-sour-2029381.htmlPrinted in the GAA section :rolleyes:

[weecountyman]

You certainly do ;)

Jebus, now I'm Roddy! I seem to be multitasking, from Georgie Boy to Roddy's missus to the great man himself. Holy god :cool:

[Kildareman]

Off topic...What happens if only 3 or 4 clubs qualify for a Premier Licence?
Is it just a case of fudging in 6 to 7 clubs to make up the numbers?
How much fudge can one club get?

[weecountyman]

Off topic...What happens if only 3 or 4 clubs qualify for a Premier Licence?
Is it just a case of fudging in 6 to 7 clubs to make up the numbers?
How much fudge can one club get?

The FAI have a rolling contract with Willy Wonka, so as much as their hearts will handle.

[GGAJD]

Off topic...What happens if only 3 or 4 clubs qualify for a Premier Licence?
Is it just a case of fudging in 6 to 7 clubs to make up the numbers?
How much fudge can one club get?

A finger...................I'll get me coat.

[dcfcsteve]

Off topic...What happens if only 3 or 4 clubs qualify for a Premier Licence?
Is it just a case of fudging in 6 to 7 clubs to make up the numbers?
How much fudge can one club get?

You mean like in the very first year of licensing when only City got an A License (oh the irony), and the FAI just gave everyone else a second chance to qualify for one....?

[razor]

How much fudge can one club get?A whole sweet shops worth.

Ryans article described Tommy as "the League of Ireland's delinquent Cork affiliate", I thought that was most apt.

The low point of the article was the following piece about Doolin.


However, by year's end, their perception of his ability as a manager had changed. In the view of some knowledgeable Cork people he was the best manager the club ever had.

Complete rubbish.

[Martinho II]

Only 10 players there. Get Mickey Collins in and you'd have a right team of pure nutters.

is that the michael collins that Roddy was referring to I thought it was his son?:eek:

[paudie]

A whole sweet shops worth.

Ryans article described Tommy as "the League of Ireland's delinquent Cork affiliate", I thought that was most apt.

The low point of the article was the following piece about Doolin.



Complete rubbish.

In fairness he did agood job last year. Not the best manager ever but far from the worst. Did himself no favours with the fans with his demeanour but in the main did the job on the pitch

[brianw82]

is that the michael collins that Roddy was referring to I thought it was his son?:eek:

I pulled that out of my hole. I expect to see Cork linked with Mental Mickey any day now.

[tiktok]

I don't know anyone who thinks Doolin is our best ever manager, even among those who rated him. The only person in Cork last season who thought that was...... Doolin

[Dunny]

I pulled that out of my hole. I expect to see Cork linked with Mental Mickey any day now.

Immense for Crues lately so don't think they would release him without a fee.

[tiktok]

Local Radio Station 98Fm is reporting that there will soon be new owners of Cork City FC.

Not popping any champagne just yet. Just hoping!
Surely, anyone must be better than TNB.

It'll be interesting to see if Coughlan's name is on Roddy's contract and if it was signed after the ban imposed on Coughlan. With the pressure from FIFA and Floriana, and rumours of solicitor's letters flying about because of Roddy's [post-apology] comments on 98FM and in The Star, it'll be interesting to see if the new owners want to keep Roddy, or in fact, if the FAI will register the appointment.

[tiktok]

In 'De Paper' this morning as well.
Talk of a Major Stake though as opposed to a complete takeover. Disaster if that's true. Anyone who gets into bed with TNB and allows him any stake in the football club needs their head examined.

[corkboy360]

Local Radio Station 98Fm is reporting that there will soon be new owners of Cork City FC.

Not popping any champagne just yet. Just hoping!
Surely, anyone must be better than TNB.

It'll be interesting to see if Coughlan's name is on Roddy's contract and if it was signed after the ban imposed on Coughlan. With the pressure from FIFA and Floriana, and rumours of solicitor's letters flying about because of Roddy's [post-apology] comments on 98FM and in The Star, it'll be interesting to see if the new owners want to keep Roddy, or in fact, if the FAI will register the appointment.

Also on 96fm.
Ive heard the owner of Adidas Ireland thrown about quite a bit lately.
Cant think of his name though

[tiktok]

Also on 96fm.
Ive heard the owner of Adidas Ireland thrown about quite a bit lately.
Cant think of his name though

Michael O'Connell is the guy you're thinking of.
He used to run the Adidas Ireland Franchise, he doesn't own it or run it anymore I think.

[pineapple stu]

Surely, anyone must be better than TNB.
Surely, anyone must have been better than Arkaga...

[tiktok]

Surely, anyone must have been better than Arkaga...

Fair point :D

[Roo69]

OK, just looking for a very quick round up of the Cork situation......

- Possible new or part new owner of Cork
- Will the be in the Premier, 1st of A Championship for the 2010 season

[tiktok]

- Will the be in the Premier, 1st of A Championship for the 2010 season

John Delaney only said that there will be a Cork team in the League next season.
There's still a possibility that Tommy won't get a licence, but that the FORAs application would be successful.

Though if TNB sells up and the current entity is still short on the licence application, I'm expecting to see a lot of investors and hedge funds pump their money into fudge.

[marinobohs]

John Delaney only said that there will be a Cork team in the League next season.
There's still a possibility that Tommy won't get a licence, but that the FORAs application would be successful.

Though if TNB sells up and the current entity is still short on the licence application, I'm expecting to see a lot of investors and hedge funds pump their money into fudge.

I expect that if the club get new owners that they would get a licence (although it may be first division depending on criteria). Is the licencing application the reason they are trying to offload some players still owed money from last season (I think all debts to players must be cleared for licencing purposes) ?

[razor]

Though if TNB sells up and the current entity is still short on the licence application, I'm expecting to see a lot of investors and hedge funds pump their money into fudge.We'll worry about the fudge later.
Main thing now is the removal for ever of Tommy No Bobs.
Todays news is quite positive but as we're dealing with Tom I ain't getting my hopes up.

Should he go I can foresee massive celebrations in the City this week.

[tiktok]

We'll worry about the fudge later.
Main thing now is the removal for ever of Tommy No Bobs.
Todays news is quite positive but as we're dealing with Tom I ain't getting my hopes up.

Should he go I can foresee massive celebrations in the City this week.

Hopefully it is endgame for TNB.

I can even live with Roddy and his jackeen journeymen for a year, even if it has to be in the 1st division, once we never have to look at the No Bobs clan again.

[razor]

I can even live with Roddy and his jackeen journeymen for a yearHe was in attendance at the Avondale-Rockmount MSL game over the weekend so there might be 1 or 2 Cork men in the side.

[Dodge]

He was in attendance at the Avondale-Rockmount MSL game over the weekend so there might be 1 or 2 Cork men in the side.

or he missed his train home

[Schumi]

Maybe TNB promised him a bus back to Dublin.

[tiktok]

Quotes from todays papers, apparently on a statement from the club;

Paying out “more than €420,000 in back pay and a revenue settlement of €400,000. Both these were inherited from the previous owners. The club required a further investment of approximately €430,000 to cover the day to day running.”

€400,000 revenue settlement Sure he didn't even ****ing pay that himself, €229,000 of it came from the man who's now trying to buy the club; the bulk of the remaining money that went to this was in the Club Bank account due to pay players who chose to forego payment in the hope that the club would be OK, that's a matter of public record. A huge chunk of that money, more than €150,000 must still be owed to Michael O'Connell, given the low takings from the Celtic game which was meant to cover the bill.

€420,000 in back pay I don't actually believe that the figure was this high, but let's pretend it was, around the time that this would have been due we took in €150,000 by winning the Setanta Cup and €100,000 by prematurely selling the Kevin Doyle buy-out clause back to Reading. That's €250,000 that didn't come from TNB's pocket, which seems to be what the article is suggesting. So let's give him credit for pumping €170,000 of his own money in [which I still don't believe to be perfectly honest].

€430,000 to cover day to day running I don't believe this figure or his cheek in looking for it. But Let's pretend it's true. Does he seriously expect to be rewarded for misjudging the budget of the club so much that an extra €430,000 had to be pumped in to cover the player contracts, staff contracts, general managers and hangers on that he put in place. When we came out of examinership we had 7 contracted players and three staff worth hanging onto, every penny he added on top of that is a cost that he created himself.

Get out of our club you ****!

...and cut out this legacy/inherited debt nosense, no-one is buying it.

The Revenue bill when we were in examinership was cleared, we paid 15c in the Euro on it.
We had a €400,000 revenue settlement less than a year later. The only way possible that this amount could have been a hangover from the previous administration was if the entire amount was on tax on the wage bill you claim was carried over from the previous administration. You expect us to believe you had €400,000 tax due on a €429,000 inherited wagebill?

Really? You think we're that ****ing thick do you?

**** OFF!

[Longfordian]

Got €250k for Mooney as well didn't ye?. What happened to that?.

[yiddo]

Got €250k for Mooney as well didn't ye?. What happened to that?.

dunno but it was paid in August 2008 so tnb didn't get his hands on it!

[Longfordian]

Ah yeah I forgot Tom hadn't taken over at that stage. I presume it went to paying creditors of Arkaga so.

[micls]

Should he go I can foresee massive celebrations in the City this week.

To the fountain if true!

[Onefootednopace]

From the "Evening Echo" website.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/news/index.aspx?c=sport&jp=eyeymheycwmh


Cork City chairman Tom Coughlan last night confirmed that he is in talks with a local consortium with a view to relinquishing control of the club.

Coughlan took over the Leeside outfit in October 2008 but they have been beset by financial woes — a winding-up order from the Revenue Commissioners is due for next Monday while the club is under pressure to fulfil league licensing requirements in time for Friday’s deadline.

Local finance group Quintas, fronted by Jim McCarthy, are involved in the talks along with local businessman Michael O’Connell.

McCarthy and Quintas were heavily involved with behind-the-scenes restructuring at Cork City after it survived last summer’s winding-up order, issued on behalf of Revenue.

A statement issued last night confirmed that “negotiations are ongoing with a group comprising Jim McCarthy, Quintas and Michael O’Connell with a view to taking a significant stake in Cork City FC”.

The Evening Echo newspaper first reported the group were looking to take over the club on December 10.

Coughlan was quoted in the statement as saying: “I am delighted that this group have an interest in developing a community based club which can aspire to bring the best domestic and European football to Cork. The hard work of readjusting its cost base has been completed, it now needs a larger capital base to strengthen its future position.”

The statement went on to point to a “turbulent year for the club”, paying out “more than €420,000 in back pay and a revenue settlement of €400,000. Both these were inherited from previous owners. The club required a further investment of approximately €430,000 to cover the day-to-day running.

“The club having made all the necessary cuts is confident that with this new investment coupled with a new manager in Roddy Collins and a European campaign to come, is well positioned to have a great year on and off the field. Cork City is being advised by James Riordan who hopes to progress discussions this week. The club will keep the FAI fully informed of all negotiations.”