Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division [Archive] - Page 53

DmanDmythDledge

14/02/2010, 9:46 PM

It's all hearsay, no source credited or even hinted. Just pure speculation I'd say, there's a number of extensions to deadlines allowed under the submissions process and with the FAI looking to throw the book at Tom/CCFC I can't see them approving the Licensing Committee extending the deadline once again, takeover or no takeover.

Longfordian

14/02/2010, 9:55 PM

Sloppy interpretation of the statements from RTE there I reckon. Quintas have clearly denied that there's an agreement in response to the statement from Tom, released apparently from the email address he and his people have been using according to the administrator of the Cork forum. They haven't just suddenly threatened to pull out. Agree though that they should be out of time once and for all.

The Fox

14/02/2010, 10:13 PM

At this stage it would be a disgrace if the FAI extend licensing. Teams need to prepare for matches in 2 and a half weeks time and they need to know their opposition. A fixture list needs to be produced and marketing and some good PR about the league needs to happen. Supporters need to know if their team is at home or away for their first match.
We at Bray are also effected and are in limbo - it is a totally different proposition preparing a team for the Premier or First divisions!!
I think that Derry supporters would also be rightly agrieved if Cork have a Premier licence after how swiftly and clinically they were dealt with last year!

Longfordian

14/02/2010, 10:30 PM

They desperately want Cork in the Premier but there has to come a point where you say that it's too late. Blame Tom's stupidity. When is the committee meeting? There is no way in hell they should consider information that might come in in the future. Even tomorrow morning should be too late for a properly independent licensing committee. Us and Shels to name just two clubs never had anything like that kind of leniency when we had our own problems. Nor would we get it now and in fact got nothing like it this year. We had a few quid to pay by the 29th and were told if we didn't pay it that day we were gone no further deadlines. The double standards gets to you when it's so blatant.

Hairy Bowsie

14/02/2010, 10:43 PM

redgav

14/02/2010, 10:55 PM

The scenario is quite clear, if Quintas come on baord, Cork will have a premier licence. Now while i wouldn't wish TNB on anyone, not even Cork, for the greater good of the whole LoI i believe Cork have to be in, at least, the first division next year so for that reason alone, i'm hoping this deal doesn't happen.

Fans of every club except for Cork should agree with me on that, while still acknowledging how much of a scumbag TNB is.

Quintas are not involved in the takeover ,they are just the facilitators between all 4 party's...this is all going to the wire because he wants the 100K from the Kevin Long transfer released by the FAI as his pay off

kid creole

14/02/2010, 11:12 PM

Hve foras helped the players and staff with money like they said they were gonna?

dcfcsteve

14/02/2010, 11:57 PM

Doomofman

15/02/2010, 12:01 AM

Is anyone else just completely and utterly bored to fcuking tears with the whole Cork City farce now.....?!?

It's been left to drag on and on and on and on for so long now that it's betond a joke. A running, weeping sore that continually infects the image of the whole league, week in week out. At least the City situation got sorted out swift-time.

A new supporter-run club in the First Division would seem to me the best outcome here for Cork, the league and the FAI over all.

But whatever the outcome the soap opera just needs to come to an end.

I really hope we're done with this madness tomorrow...

weecountyman

15/02/2010, 5:45 AM

Is anyone else just completely and utterly bored to fcuking tears with the whole Cork City farce now.....?!?

It's been left to drag on and on and on and on for so long now that it's beyond a joke. A running, weeping sore that continually infects the image of the whole league, week in week out. At least the City situation got sorted out swift-time.

A new supporter-run club in the First Division would seem to me the best outcome here for Cork, the league and the FAI over all.

But whatever the outcome the soap opera just needs to come to an end.

This is the most sensible, decent and honourable outcome, but only if there was any sense in the situation. But the "lure" of European football, the wish to hang on in the Premier Division and the perceived "shame" of restarting in the First is driving normal, sane people who wouldn't run a business in such a way into the arms of destruction. When it all boils down, the new entity, if or when it comes about, will behave the same as the old as they are without cash (having spent it all trying to rectify the mess) and within a short period of time we're back at square one. As soon as I heard people speaking about "turning corners" I knew it was over. Keep turning corners and you're back where you started.

tiktok

15/02/2010, 6:45 AM

This is the most sensible, decent and honourable outcome, but only if there was any sense in the situation. But the "lure" of European football, the wish to hang on in the Premier Division and the perceived "shame" of restarting in the First is driving normal, sane people who wouldn't run a business in such a way into the arms of destruction. When it all boils down, the new entity, if or when it comes about, will behave the same as the old as they are without cash (having spent it all trying to rectify the mess) and within a short period of time we're back at square one. As soon as I heard people speaking about "turning corners" I knew it was over. Keep turning corners and you're back where you started.

Who is ashamed of starting in the first division, go back a few pages and read micls's post!
It's more "honourable" to start again than look to honour debts? This site is full of the exact opposite opinion.
You know we're heading into "the arms of destruction" because Of geometry? What if we only turn two corners, and then moonwalk in a curve?

What I've quoted is one of the most pointless posts I've seen on this thread.
The Malta updates were handy while they lasted alright, bit since.....m'eh.

James

15/02/2010, 7:01 AM

voted against it but agree with your re outside opinions. we've made our decision and we move on together just like we've done since day1.

voted against it too, but it has my 100% support now going forward.

razor

15/02/2010, 8:11 AM

Is anyone else just completely and utterly bored to fcuking tears with the whole Cork City farce now.....?!?Well Steve, if only TnB was as honourable as your lot then it'd all have been sorted long ago but he isn't so what can we do.
If you just take your own languor, annoyance, anger and tears for that matter and multiply that by 100 and you might not still be within a Premier Division Licence of how I feel.

I'd like the whole sorry mess sorted either way today.

Macy

15/02/2010, 8:25 AM

At this stage, it should be out of the hands of anyone to do with Cork. Talk of wanting to honour the debt etc is all very well, but it shouldn't be an issue - if the final deadlines are missed then Cork City shouldn't be getting a licence. If todays deadline wasn't enough to concentrate minds, what's another few days going to do? Also, the "Independent" Licencing Committee should be telling the new consortium what to do with the gun they're trying to put to their head.

Licencing has long been a farce, with different rules applying to different clubs (even in the same round of licencing). However, this whole debacle has surely killed off any remaining credibility it had. Which is a pity, as it looked like it was finally getting to grips with the unrealistic budget issue. 1 step forward, 10 steps back.

weecountyman

15/02/2010, 8:52 AM

Who is ashamed of starting in the first division, go back a few pages and read micls's post!
It's more "honourable" to start again than look to honour debts? This site is full of the exact opposite opinion.
You know we're heading into "the arms of destruction" because Of geometry? What if we only turn two corners, and then moonwalk in a curve?

What I've quoted is one of the most pointless posts I've seen on this thread.
The Malta updates were handy while they lasted alright, bit since.....m'eh.

Again, nothing to add but nonsense. Just because someone doesn't agree 100% , question what is happening and is against throwing good money after bad, I expected better from you tiktok, especially as you seem to avoid any number of people who are more than a little disgusted by the manner in which the licencing process that hammers other clubs is allowed to be altered just to keep a club of some sort in Cork. In the fullness of time you may well reflect on what you say. All power to FORAS and their co-investors, if they can get around the rules go for it, but karma (as Tom and co will experience) has teeth.

Edit: On the topic of Maltese info, in the weekend's Malta Today (Maltese) the club Treasurer backed the takeover as it means Floriana will finally see compensation for Cork City's illegal signing of Roddy Collins. The case with CAS will proceed against CCIFL and Roddy Collins should the minimum amount of compensation not be forthcoming (it's somewhere on the thread). Plus phonecalls to Cork City (Liam Meaney was mentioned) were going to message minder last week. A club rep was speaking to Irish radio last week, they stated.

mick dundee

15/02/2010, 9:01 AM

an article in todays examainer says that corks court case is at 11am and the lisence committe meet at 1pm to decide on the lisence

OneForTheFuture

15/02/2010, 10:07 AM

Mmmmm.... All is quiet.... Until the Champagne Corks (pardon the pun)start popping!

Tallaght Saint

15/02/2010, 10:15 AM

What time is the announcement?

tippex

15/02/2010, 10:18 AM

I assume after about 1pm.

Just been to the shop and all the fudge has aparently been bought up.....

Tallaght Saint

15/02/2010, 10:21 AM

Hardly suprising, always knew the FAI wouldn't have the balls to relegate them. Roll on 1pm!

micls

15/02/2010, 10:23 AM

Pushed back to 2

Mr A

15/02/2010, 10:25 AM

its been pushed back to second call at 2 pending a letter due from AIB, revenue have agreed to push it back til then

From Cork Forum.

Tallaght Saint

15/02/2010, 10:26 AM

What do the Cork lads honestly think will happen?

micls

15/02/2010, 10:29 AM

Honestly have no idea. I gave up trying tp second guess Coughlan a long time ago.

I do know he'l bring it right to the wire either way.

Longfordian

15/02/2010, 10:42 AM

The letter from AIB must be regarding money he has available. Not so sure why he seems to be planning to try and pay the bill himself when he could just do the deal. He must be up to something. As always.

R�iteoir

15/02/2010, 11:16 AM

Can't the FAI just drop this charade and just hand Cork their Premier License like they want to? ;)

derm

15/02/2010, 11:22 AM

What do the Cork lads honestly think will happen?

There are any number of things that I think could happen. It's pointless speculating with Tom involved though. Whatever seems most unlikely ...

Longfordian

15/02/2010, 11:26 AM

tippex

15/02/2010, 11:29 AM

oh ffs will the plank just give up and do the honourable thing (I know that TNB and honourable dont go together).

razor

15/02/2010, 11:47 AM

Latest talk from the Cork forum seems to be that Tom has a loan got on the strength of money that Cork are due from the sale of Kevin Long that the FAI are refusing to release. He's apparently going to legally challenge this refusal. Fun times ahead.So he comes up with the money and pays the taxman but while he is still in charge theres is no way Cork City will get a licence.
He'll have a club just nowhere to play.

Longfordian

15/02/2010, 11:54 AM

Seems he's calling the bluff of the FAI and the consortium. He wants a pay off one way or another. What's the betting if he is refused a licence he challenges that as well in an attempt to cause even more trouble.

tippex

15/02/2010, 11:55 AM

It's hard enough being a Bray fan I cannot imagine how the lads in cork are feeling atm.

micls

15/02/2010, 11:56 AM

What's the betting if he is refused a licence he challenges that as well in an attempt to cause even more trouble.

Id think this is a definite but Id imagine the FAi are well aware of it and hopefully ready for it.

WoodquayBoy

15/02/2010, 1:17 PM

Have been told there will be a Cork City (or some version of that) in the League of Ireland next year. But in the First Division, with Bray getting the place in the Premier

Dodge

15/02/2010, 1:22 PM

Have been told there will be a Cork City (or some version of that) in the League of Ireland next year. But in the First Division, with Bray getting the place in the Premier

With Shels replacing Derry?

HammerNThongs

15/02/2010, 1:23 PM

Have been told there will be a Cork City (or some version of that) in the League of Ireland next year. But in the First Division, with Bray getting the place in the Premier

If Coughlan and Roddy arent involved, I'm alright with that. It's the second prize, but I'll accept it.

Reckon we have a better chance of surviving the First and consolidating anyway then trying to form a Premier team in 2 and a half weeks

kid creole

15/02/2010, 1:25 PM

I never got why hes called TnB, someone enlighten me

GalwayRed

15/02/2010, 1:25 PM

With Shels replacing Derry?
Derry have already been replaced.:confused:

Dunny

15/02/2010, 1:26 PM

I never got why hes called TnB, someone enlighten me

Tommy No Bobs

micls

15/02/2010, 1:27 PM

I never got why hes called TnB, someone enlighten me

Tommy No Bobs

Jofspring

15/02/2010, 1:31 PM

I never got why hes called TnB, someone enlighten me

Was only tinkning that myself a while ago and it was wrecking my head trying to think what it stood for ha. Glad to see what it stands for above.

kid creole

15/02/2010, 1:32 PM

Bit silly really , was expecting better :P

Nesta99

15/02/2010, 1:42 PM

He's apparently going to legally challenge this refusal. Fun times ahead.

Wouldnt the precedent of the previous challenge brought by Coghlan and the subsequent ruling that sporting affairs should be contested within the structures of the governing body prevent him from going back to the High Court?

I cant see him getting much sympathy from any judge on this basis and on the basis of him being a total idiot? Even so it is possible that the start of the season could be delayed via an injunction while this mess is sorted, particularly if one of his motives is vindictive irritation

WoodquayBoy

15/02/2010, 1:42 PM

With Shels replacing Derry?
Premier Division of Bohs, Rovers, Pats, UCD, Fingal, Drogheda, Dundalk, Bray and, flying the flag for the rest of the country outside of that 70-odd mile stretch, Sligo and ourselves

p�l-dcfc

15/02/2010, 1:45 PM

Premier Division of Bohs, Rovers, Pats, UCD, Fingal, Drogheda, Dundalk, Bray and, flying the flag for the rest of the country outside of that 70-odd mile stretch, Sligo and ourselves

This for defs?

Longfordian

15/02/2010, 1:46 PM

Wouldnt the precedent of the previous challenge brought by Coghlan and the subsequent ruling that sporting affairs should be contested within the structures of the governing body prevent him from going back to the High Court?

I cant see him getting much sympathy from any judge on this basis and on the basis of him being a total idiot? Even so it is possible that the start of the season could be delayed via an injunction while this mess is sorted, particularly if his one of his motives is vindictive irritation

Yep, that's what I'm expecting from him. If he's not getting anything out of it nobody else will either.