View Full Version : Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division
weecountyman
29/01/2010, 9:25 AM
I really don't think Roddy is in the frame to purchase a stake in the club at all, even if he had the readies, one of the legacy debts would be to a rival bidder who could instantly wind up the holding firm if he wanted to.
Licencing deadline today.
I agree with you tiktok, Roddy did the same thing in Malta, all these investors lining up to take control. Maybe I misheard, but at the time he was taking over in Malta he brought one of his sidekicks, John O'Connor, with him in "invest", which never happened, and now this same man was down in Cork with him last week. The "Russians" he approached while still in Malta and tried to convince them to join him in Cork, the week BEFORE he left the club (this was one of the real annoyances for the Maltese according to my buddy in HSBC). I just feel he'll still be trying to get a stake somehow, and if he does.....
weecountyman
29/01/2010, 10:02 AM
Interesting on 96fm, the assistant manager there but no Roddy. And staff other than "close associates" of Coughlan.
micls
29/01/2010, 10:25 AM
Players wont play while Coughlan is owner, even if they are paid.
razor
29/01/2010, 11:01 AM
Players wont play while Coughlan is owner, even if they are paid.except for tonight, they'll play tonight as its a fundraiser but they won't play any competetive games.
Longfordian
29/01/2010, 11:36 AM
Is that including the players Roddy has brought in/lined up or just the ones already under contract?.
micls
29/01/2010, 11:39 AM
Is that including the players Roddy has brought in/lined up or just the ones already under contract?.
I presume those under contract.
We cant sign anyone else cos of the embargo so the rest of the lads are just training and couldnt play competitively anyway
Longfordian
29/01/2010, 11:58 AM
Fair enough. Even Tom has to see sense soon, can't understand why he doesnt just announce that he's agreeable to the takeover pending formalities. Nobody seems to have any idea where he put in all this money.
razor
29/01/2010, 12:01 PM
I heard some1 on 96fm mentioned Cork Ramblers, any truth in that?? Dont know what to make of that one really.That was just Coughlans gimp Meaney saying the FORAS licence cannot be used for a club called Cork City and pulled another name from his home in cloud cuckoo land.
pineapple stu
29/01/2010, 12:01 PM
Probably part of the reason he's so opposed to a due diligence.
tiktok
29/01/2010, 12:09 PM
Is it true that Meaney [Cork City Licencing Officer as I understand it] publicly admitted on 96FM that the licence application would not be ready for the deadline?
dcfcsteve
29/01/2010, 12:44 PM
I heard some1 on 96fm mentioned Cork Ramblers, any truth in that?? Dont know what to make of that one really.
In fairness they've used pretty much every other possible name on Leeside by now...
micls
29/01/2010, 12:45 PM
I heard some1 on 96fm mentioned Cork Ramblers, any truth in that?? Dont know what to make of that one really.
NOpe
In fairness they've used pretty much every other possible name on Leeside by now...
But Derry have now shown us the way. You simply wind up the company, keep the same name and pretend nothing happened
dcfcsteve
29/01/2010, 12:48 PM
But Derry have now shown us the way. You simply wind up the company, keep the same name and pretend nothing happened
Not if someone owns the name you want to use and doesn't want you to have it or you can't afford to buy it......
I'll go with 'Cork Rangers' or 'Cork Unknowns' as the name for the 14th senior club on Leeside. ;)
micls
29/01/2010, 12:52 PM
Not if someone owns the name you want to use and doesn't want you to have it or you can't afford to buy it......
Semantics with ways around it. Did ye buy the name yet?
I'll go with 'Cork Rangers'
Im sure the C.R.S.C would be backing that one alright.
OneRedArmy
29/01/2010, 12:53 PM
NOpe
But Derry have now shown us the way. You simply wind up the company, keep the same name and pretend nothing happened
Not exactly the same.
The main difference between Cork and Derry is that the Derry board stood aside and agreed to liquidation (allowing NewCo to be immediately established and purchase the trading name from Wellvan), whereas Tom has kept fighting the FAI's attempts to do the same in Cork.
Also, whilst Derry have shafted the bulk of their creditors, if you want to get into specifics, the paragon of virtue that is Shamrock Rovers came through examinership all shiny and clean, paying its creditors what may well turn out to be less than Derry City will pay back when all told. People seem to have forgotten that.
People seem to have forgotten that.
Yeah, you're the first person to bring it up ever.
Not exactly the same.
The main difference between Cork and Derry is that the Derry board stood aside and agreed to liquidation (allowing NewCo to be immediately established and purchase the trading name from Wellvan), whereas Tom has kept fighting the FAI's attempts to do the same in Cork.
True, But in the event of liduidation, how you got that far is irrelevant. Obviously it was easier for ye, but the theory of buying the name is the same
Also, whilst Derry have shafted the bulk of their creditors, if you want to get into specifics, the paragon of virtue that is Shamrock Rovers came through examinership all shiny and clean, paying its creditors what may well turn out to be less than Derry City will pay back when all told. People seem to have forgotten that.
What? Who's forgotten that?
Im certainly not lecturing on shafting creditors, we've shafted more people in the last 2 years than most clubs put together.
Ronnie
29/01/2010, 3:38 PM
Certainly the one thing all 3 tree had in common was that they had no assests, otherwise they would never have gone into examinership. Or put another way Monaghan wll never be in that position cause they'd risk losing their ground. Now if they sold their ground, then rented it back and used the proceeds to sign good players and win the trophies then they'd be huge and have no problems.......................................
roinuj
29/01/2010, 3:43 PM
Best supported team in the League, that would make sense alright! :confused: EVER HEARD OF SHAMROCK ROVERS? streets ahead of any other club in thye country.
Magicme
29/01/2010, 3:57 PM
Certainly the one thing all 3 tree had in common was that they had no assests, otherwise they would never have gone into examinership. Or put another way Monaghan wll never be in that position cause they'd risk losing their ground. Now if they sold their ground, then rented it back and used the proceeds to sign good players and win the trophies then they'd be huge and have no problems.......................................
ummm, why didnt we think of that. Why didnt you suggest that before the AGM last night? Dam you Ronnie.
I cant see us ever going down that route as our Regional Development Centre is what the club have been working towards for years and when the fiinal stages are completed in a few years it will be worth the years in the first division building for the future. And then we can use our hard earned money to pay players big wages and win all the cups possible with a solid base.
Leeside Swagger
29/01/2010, 4:08 PM
EVER HEARD OF SHAMROCK ROVERS? streets ahead of any other club in thye country.
Easy tiger, best supported for one season. :rolleyes:
CSFShels
29/01/2010, 6:00 PM
The most recent one, so eh the currently best supported team, no?
tippex
29/01/2010, 6:16 PM
Players and staff issued a statement giving 10 grounds for wanting Tom out now.
some of which are
constantly reneging on payments to players and staff
(Players now have no wages since Nov14th 2009 and some staff are owed wages since July 2009.)
club doctor not paid in over 2 years
alienating sponsors
constant litigation
never a dull moment, press conference at 10.30.
better late than never.
My mind is boggling at the moment on this.
If I was working for a company and they had not paid me for 2 months there is NO way in hell I would still be there without pay after 6 months. I can understand the players still being there but the staff.
Is it just me or is this gone on too long because the staff also did not take a stand before now.
Dan Murray,Danny Murphy,Dan Connor,Mark McNulty,Stephen O'Donnell and
Paul Deasy have all been suspended by the club for 2 weeks and fined 2 weeks wages for thier part in todays press conference!
refjohn
29/01/2010, 10:05 PM
Dan Murray,Danny Murphy,Dan Connor,Mark McNulty,Stephen O'Donnell and
Paul Deasy have all been suspended by the club for 2 weeks and fined 2 weeks wages for thier part in todays press conference!
How convenient - seems the players are free to walk as havent been paid but obviously want to play for Cork under the right conditions. What do the club do? Find a way (in their eyes) to keep them but not have to pay them.... It
just gets weirder / funnier / and embaressing by the hour - I do feel sorry for Cork fans (and players such as above)
Doomofman
29/01/2010, 10:05 PM
Dan Murray,Danny Murphy,Dan Connor,Mark McNulty,Stephen O'Donnell and
Paul Deasy have all been suspended by the club for 2 weeks and fined 2 weeks wages for thier part in todays press conference!
Jesus... Every time you think it can't get any stupider...
tiktok
29/01/2010, 10:13 PM
Dan Murray,Danny Murphy,Dan Connor,Mark McNulty,Stephen O'Donnell and
Paul Deasy have all been suspended by the club for 2 weeks and fined 2 weeks wages for thier part in todays press conference!
When are the PFAI going to grow a pair of balls here?
Not a surprise unfortunately, typical if anything!
Riddickcule
29/01/2010, 10:17 PM
Sure they'll all be leaving soon anyway.
eamo1
29/01/2010, 10:19 PM
Wow,how many more twists can this whole thing take.The best screen writer's would be struggling to come up with these plot twist's.Its sad,funny,embarassing and stupid all in one.
Agree about the PFAI,they are the players union yet dont seem to be protecting,helping them much.
micls
29/01/2010, 10:28 PM
If the PFAI dont stop all members from training/playing with the club while their colleagues are being treated like this then there's no point to them at all.
They werent even at the press conference this morning ffs.
Longfordian
29/01/2010, 10:31 PM
If Roddy Collins had any shred of decency which to be fair we know he doesn't he'd quit. Agree totally about the PFAI as well.
If Tommy could go any lower he'd be world limbo champion.
Jesus... Every time you think it can't get any stupider...
Stupider like a fox!
CSFShels
29/01/2010, 10:48 PM
I'd have thought it'd be Roddy who was dishing out the punishments. Probably is.
pineapple stu
30/01/2010, 12:24 AM
Dan Murray,Danny Murphy,Dan Connor,Mark McNulty,Stephen O'Donnell and
Paul Deasy have all been [...] fined 2 weeks wages for thier part in todays press conference!
So they've been fined nothing?
weecountyman
30/01/2010, 6:34 AM
If Roddy Collins had any shred of decency which to be fair we know he doesn't he'd quit. Agree totally about the PFAI as well.
His behaviour (past, recent and present) has shown he hasn't got one bit of honour or loyalty. He was conspicuously absent the last couple of days, and especially I didn't hear or see him come out in defence of his boss. He's let down his players, his employer and the supporters of CCFC, but of course there'll be someone to blame for this!
Onefootednopace
30/01/2010, 10:45 AM
From the Irish Examiner
Worst case I’ve ever seen, insists players’ solicitor
By John Riordan
Saturday, January 30, 2010
THE solicitor acting on behalf of Cork City players and staff yesterday described the standoff which has enveloped the League of Ireland club as the worst he has seen during his career in employment law.
Having endured 10 weeks without pay (money received on Christmas Eve had been due since October), the club’s employees contacted John Boylan for advice.
And yesterday, at a specially press conference, Boylan outlined the grievances of staff and players in a carefully constructed two-page statement.
"It’s the worst I’ve ever seen," said Boylan. "If it was an ordinary work job – if it was my office and my secretaries weren’t paid for two and a half months and they went through Christmas without being paid I just actually can’t imagine that they would keep coming in.
"The idea of people loving football so much that they would take their eye off the ball and put up with not being paid – I just find it extraordinary. I’ve never actually come across it previously in any walk of life and I’m an employment lawyer for more than 20 years.
"I’ve actually never come across that. They love football so much and they are all decent, down-to-earth guys, they don’t make trouble and yet they manage to put up with two and a half months of not being paid. I find that extraordinary."
Boylan did however rule out any court action.
"I told them that it was a waste of time going into the legal arena because I have acted for previous employees of Cork City Football Club and we have got judgements from the same consortium and they still haven’t been paid.
"There was a very long-standing employee Noelle Feeney, who is one of the heartbeats of the club. She was an employee – a registered employee – and she was fired on the spot. We went to the labour court and we won completely. And they have never paid her a penny.
"I will be keeping a close eye on things but having looked at the finances there is absolutely, in my opinion, no chance.
"Alan Mathews has got a judgement, Gareth Farrelly has got a judgement and neither of them have been paid. Noelle Feeney got a judgement nearly nine months ago. To be frank about it I haven’t seen any judgement paid except for the Revenue – and the Revenue are the only people who have a real hold over him."
Murray: this is the lowest I’ve ever felt
By John Riordan
Saturday, January 30, 2010
DAN MURRAY yesterday claimed he is going through the lowest period of his life as wages owed to him, his fellow players and staff remain unpaid.
The Cork City captain doesn’t hold out any hope of ever being paid what he was owed – but claims he would rather be paid nothing under different ownership.
Murray was speaking after yesterday’s show of force by employees of the League of Ireland club at a specially convened press conference in the Maryborough House Hotel.
Telling reporters that he had just endured a very harsh Christmas, Murray reiterated calls for Tom Coughlan to strike a deal with a local consortium involving Jim McCarthy of the Quintas Group and Michael O’Connell.
He also admitted that it was hard to predict his future under Coughlan’s recent managerial appointment Roddy Collins – a notable absentee yesterday.
"Something is going to happen, I’d say," responded Murray when asked whether or not a backlash was in the offing.
"I’m probably the first to get it anyway. He’s not paying me anyway so he can’t stop paying me! He can stop me playing but I’ve still got a contract. There’s nothing to gain from them doing anything to me. They are better off trying to work with me. I’m happy to work with Roddy for as long as he wants me.
"The way we see it, we’re not going to get paid at the minute. We’re probably not going to get paid even with new owners, we may have to come to an arrangement. But as players we would be happier to come to an arrangement with different people and not Tom Coughlan. Every time we’ve had an agreement with him, he’s not done what he said he would do.
"We’ve heard so many (lies) and I’ve had it to my face. I just can’t handle that. That has probably ****ed me off more than anything else.
"The options for myself to leave are probably running out as you’ve kept people hanging on for so long. They’ve gone for other options. It’s more important to make sure the club is there – and at the moment I can’t see that with Tom in charge. I can’t see us getting a second chance with the Revenue on Monday, for example."
Murray also outlined what had been a less than festive period.
"You can’t buy presents or travel home to England to see the family because you haven’t any money,’’ he said. "You can’t put petrol in the car, can’t buy your family presents, borrowing money off people just to pay the bills and put food on the table. I wouldn’t wish it upon your worst enemy. It was the worst Christmas I’ve ever experienced. It’s hard to accept what was going on.
"We just want to look after ourselves. We’re not on massive money like English Premier League players, where you can afford not to be paid for a few weeks and it won’t affect you. We get enough money to pay the mortgage and the bills and if you’re lucky, there is a bit more to pay for a few luxuries like dinner out or a night out. Over the last two months we haven’t been able to do any of that. I’ve probably turned into a bit of a hermit sitting at home watching Celebrity Big Brother."
Murray agreed that it was probably the lowest period of his life.
"Yeah, I think it is. I have been lucky enough that I’ve had a good life and enjoyed most of it. I have good family support and friends but this is totally different. You go to bed every single night wondering what bill is going to come through the door the next morning, wondering where can I get the money. It puts stress on you, and its the most stressful I’ve ever been in football.
"Hopefully he (Coughlan) can see sense and get out while he still has something. I don’t know what he can gain by doing what he is doing now. If someone can just have a good talk to him and say – right Tom, this is a good time to go, for the good of yourself and Cork City Football Club just leave and give someone else a go.
"At the start I think he had the best interests in trying to do it properly but then as it went on he just dug a bigger and bigger hole and he just wants to fight to get out of it instead of just putting his hands up. I don’t know what he’s trying to get out of doing what he’s doing. Surely he knows now that he is not the best man to run the football club."
gufc4life
30/01/2010, 11:22 AM
This getting awful annoying now just throw them out of the league the obviously cant afford it
Guitd
30/01/2010, 11:40 AM
Dan Murray,Danny Murphy,Dan Connor,Mark McNulty,Stephen O'Donnell and
Paul Deasy have all been suspended by the club for 2 weeks and fined 2 weeks wages for thier part in todays press conference!
heard that stephen o donnell has had enough and gone home to galway ment to be trying to sort a deal over the weekend with united
tippex
30/01/2010, 11:45 AM
I've seen mismanagement before in companies I've worked for but christ this takes the biscuit. How coughlan can go on national tv and radio spouting what he has spouted over the last few months knowing that staff have not been paid since june/july, doctor since he has had the club and players since november.
There is no way in hell the bloke should be let near a company again after the obvious disregard for his employees. As a human being I find his actions sickening.
Then to turn around and have the bottle to announce that the players are being suspended for 2 weeks and fined 2 weeks wages (which in all honesty the probably don't expect to ever see anyway).
I cannot imagine what the cork fans are feeling at the moment.
If I was one of the players/staff I would be looking to give him a smack at this stage.
RoversHead
30/01/2010, 1:06 PM
PFAI must stop all players training with this club now ffs.
Dalymountrower
30/01/2010, 1:31 PM
heard that stephen o donnell has had enough and gone home to galway ment to be trying to sort a deal over the weekend with united
Great signing ,if it comes about.
Doomofman
30/01/2010, 2:16 PM
Watched city last night, embarrassing from start to finish all aspects, Roddy's arrogance, minority of green street wannabe's in the bar, with all there "hooligan" songs, i mean crosshaven had the 6's and 7's there playing at h/t and they were singing and the ultras or whatever they be known as passing them with the thug walk cursing throwingg the neck at them, what a disaster. Anyway the state of the team they fielded was a very sad sight for a LOI fan like meself,, Georgie and Mick Devine showin exactly what they are-mercenaries (excuse the spelling). ALso the main FORAS gang were by us in the second half the crowd that were on mns the time they played us, made me think, last time they were there ( the girl couldnt see, it was so packed, look at our two clubs now. Heartbreaking stuff.
I didn't understand half of that...
What score did it finish and who were they even playing?
Think it finished 2-0 Cork. Anto flood scored both. They were playing Crosshaven FC.
Spotter
30/01/2010, 2:34 PM
Finished 4-0 for City. Suspended players watched from the stand!
weecountyman
31/01/2010, 10:47 AM
Dan Murray,Danny Murphy,Dan Connor,Mark McNulty,Stephen O'Donnell and
Paul Deasy - not honest! If you'r going by Roddy's column this morning. It's the first article for a while where TNB doesn't merit a mention. But lots of grovelling and pleading with the new owners to keep in. Also Cork should be playing in the Permier Division this year, according to the great man!
And shock horror, George is going to be the City captain this year - in the Premier Division!!! (At least it means he's not up with us!).
This is going to be fun!
corkboy360
31/01/2010, 12:43 PM
Great signing ,if it comes about.
:D lol
Martinho II
31/01/2010, 4:38 PM
why had cork to play their friendly in St Colmans park? Are they coming back at all to turners x?
Since we're not training in Bishopstown any more, can someone help Boy George find the gate?
tiktok
31/01/2010, 7:40 PM
why had cork to play their friendly in St Colmans park? Are they coming back at all to turners x?
MFA owed money, I assume renting the Cross for a friendly game would Only add to the debt. Normally these games would have been played at Bishopstown but we're locked out of there and I guess Ramblers are the only club stuck enough for cash to extend Tommy a bit of credit!
There have been rumours that Coughlan and Meaney put St.Colman's down on our licence application, but even they couldn't be so daft as to break links with the Cross.
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