Robbie Keane

[Razors left peg]

Bringing the conversation back to Robbie Keane and football, is there any Irish players that might follow him there? Could Troy Parrott for example go there on loan instead of the English lower leagues? TBH I've not ever really given any consideration the the strength of the league there but I always like the idea of our players going abroad rather than just England.

[Diggs246]

Ha ha. ;)

Anyhow, at the risk of the Mods moving this to "Current Affairs", "Rubbish" or even deleting it entirely (understandable, I admit), I've never read Quinn's autobiography, but I have read Christopher Hitchens' biographical pieces on Mother Theresa and I cannot recommend them highly enough:
https://christopherhitchens.net/mother-teresa

Iconoclasm in the very best sense of the term!

It's funny u should say that
One of the lads hates her and has always said she was doing way more harm than good
Who knows I might owe him an apology

[tommy_c12000]

I don’t like the political debate but feel obligated to weigh in with some balance. Prior to leaving Ireland and having close Israeli and Palestinian friends, I would have identified with a lot of the rhetoric.

Israeli-Palestine relations are extraordinarily complicated, the Irish media portrayal of the conflict is the most one sided view that I’ve observed. Forgotten is the recurrent persecution of the Jewish people, the “valid” claims on both sides, the fact that many Palestinians (nomadic by nature at that time) happily sold their land to settling Jews too in the late 19th early 20th century so there was a strong “legal” Jewish presence. And by far and away, the average Israeli Jewish person wants peace, are happy for a two state solution but unfortunately Palestine have no control over Hamas (whose main objective is to destroy Israel) leading to zero trust on the Israeli part. Yes, Israel have a lot of strong financial support, but without this Israel would have ceased to exist years ago. Should they not have a right to secure their country? Obviously they’ve completed over reacted at times, but is it okay for them just to permissibly stand by while Hamas attach and rely purely on their defense system?

The Irish history of English oppression naturally lend itself to the Irish people supporting the underdog but the level of biased reporting is remarkable in the Irish media. Suffice to say it is complicated, there are clear wrongs on BOTH side, and there is no easy end in sight exacerbated with current Israeli hardline government and uncontrolled Hamas.

I don’t think this forum is the appropriate place for a debate on the Middle East conflict, it would be nice to move on. I wish Robbie well, and have no qualms with him taking the Tel Aviv job from a profesional standpoint. The fact that so many Irish seem to have an issue is pretty sad in my book

[liamoo11]

Israel is still doing it on a daily basis. Murdering Palestinian children on an almost daily basis.

Britain was a massive contributor to the zionist plantation of Palestine for their own political and anti semitic reasons. A decent overview of he istael/Palestine issue is covered in 10 myths about Israel by llan Pappe a n Israeli academic

[tetsujin1979]

Let's keep the discussion to Robbie Keane's appointment as manager.
If you want to discuss the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, please take it to current affairs

[liamoo11]

Whilst I always appreciate England’s ongoing occupation of a significant chunk of Ireland, and their barbaric colonisation of our land being pointed out, the suggestion here that Robbie Keane taking a job in Israel is in any way comparable to Irish workers emigrating to England over the last few hundred years is idiotic. Irish emigrants working in England (our oppressor and coloniser but also our closest neighbour) is a complex and very interesting history.

The more accurate comparison would be with an Irish manager in the 80s taking a job in apartheid South Africa, or (and whisper it quietly as apparently it insults the zionists) an Irish manager taking a job in Nazi Germany in the late 1930’s.

Robbie Keane taking a job in Israel is wrong. Someone also mentioned Tel Aviv being a nice city - it will be lovely when it is rubble.

Edit to note: I said when it is rubble, it will never be of course as Israel will complete their genocide of the Palestinians in the decades ahead.

Robbie could use his position to advocate for Palestinians and to help raise the issue which would be helpful as unfortunately Israel manages to shut down any real discussion of the issue with its very successful attempts to potrat critism of the zionist policy of ethic cleansing and plantation as anti semitism by cynically categorising judaeism and zionism as one and the same .

[DCWA]

Robbie could use his position to advocate for Palestinians and to help raise the issue which would be helpful as unfortunately Israel manages to shut down any real discussion of the issue with its very successful attempts to potrat critism of the zionist policy of ethic cleansing and plantation as anti semitism by cynically categorising judaeism and zionism as one and the same .

He could if he wishes to get the sack immediately. If he does that then he will be due credit of course.

[liamoo11]

He could if he wishes to get the sack immediately. If he does that then he will be due credit of course.

Great credit. Difficult to imagine his contract would preclude him from commenting on political issues

[tetsujin1979]

off topic posts following the request above moved to Current Affairs

[JR89]

Bringing the conversation back to Robbie Keane and football, is there any Irish players that might follow him there? Could Troy Parrott for example go there on loan instead of the English lower leagues? TBH I've not ever really given any consideration the the strength of the league there but I always like the idea of our players going abroad rather than just England.

Hopefully not given the large turnover of managers at that club. Robbie will be doing extremely well if he lasts the full season.

[DCWA]

off topic posts following the request above moved to Current Affairs
Not all of them clearly. Selective admin’ing again in this forum. No shortage of it.

[tetsujin1979]

Not all of them clearly. Selective admin’ing again in this forum. No shortage of it.
They clearly mention Robbie Keane, the posts that were moved did not.

[DCWA]

They clearly mention Robbie Keane, the posts that were moved did not.

There are 6, possibly 7 posts on page 373 of this thread that do mention Robbie Keane and are not relevant in any way. Some of them clearly even less relevant to his career move than some of those that were moved.

it is very clear and has been made very clear on previous occasions that admin’ing of this forum is highly selective.

[Yard of Pace]

Hopefully not given the large turnover of managers at that club. Robbie will be doing extremely well if he lasts the full season.

What I don't understand is that if he wanted to take a job in a violent and troubled conflict zone with a polarising club, why did he not just ask Rovers for a job?

[Razors left peg]

He'll be set up perfect for the divisiveness of the Ireland job never mind Rovers

[John83]

There are 6, possibly 7 posts on page 373 of this thread that do mention Robbie Keane and are not relevant in any way. Some of them clearly even less relevant to his career move than some of those that were moved.

it is very clear and has been made very clear on previous occasions that admin’ing of this forum is highly selective.
If you have a problem with tets, take it to support. No more off topic posts on this thread.

[John83]

Bringing the conversation back to Robbie Keane and football, is there any Irish players that might follow him there? Could Troy Parrott for example go there on loan instead of the English lower leagues? TBH I've not ever really given any consideration the the strength of the league there but I always like the idea of our players going abroad rather than just England.
I know where you're coming from, but the Championship is something like the 6th best supported league in Europe. It may or may not be the 6th best in terms of quality, but I doubt it's far off. Israeli clubs don't have the money to attract players of the same calibre. Here's Maccabi Haifa's tranfer record, for example - https://www.transfermarkt.com/maccabi-haifa/alletransfers/verein/1064 - with their biggest transfers being in the €1M-2M range. I doubt there's anything there to attract or challenge a player like Parrott. But maybe someone a little younger again, or someone based in League 1?

[tetsujin1979]

There are 6, possibly 7 posts on page 373 of this thread that do mention Robbie Keane and are not relevant in any way. Some of them clearly even less relevant to his career move than some of those that were moved.

it is very clear and has been made very clear on previous occasions that admin’ing of this forum is highly selective.

All of which are before I posted that off topic posts would be moved.

[pineapple stu]

. I doubt there's anything there to attract or challenge a player like Parrott. But maybe someone a little younger again, or someone based in League 1?
I suppose we're assuming Parrott's Preston stint has earned him another Championship loan, which mayn't be the case

[John83]

They kept playing him, didn't they?

[Diggs246]

I suppose we're assuming Parrott's Preston stint has earned him another Championship loan, which mayn't be the case

Have Preston indicated they don't want him? Because that would be a blow?

Also can tom Cannon just decide please
Why the wait yes or no son

[pineapple stu]

Well towards the end of the season I think they commented on how well Tom Cannon had worked out and they'd take him again, but made no mention of Parrott. I think Demesne Lad posted a link on one or other of their threads. It didn't give much hope that Parrott would be going back there this season.

I don't see any solid news about his upcoming season yet, but plenty of time of course


They kept playing him, didn't they?
They did - possibly in part because once they signed Cannon, Ched Evans got a life-threatening illness which left them short up front again. They scored less than a goal a game which normally gets you in a relegation battle; it's not great on the CV

Edit - those Preston comments (or lack thereof) are posts 216-219 here - https://foot.ie/threads/279283-Tom-Cannon-F-Everton-b-2002?p=2150181&viewfull=1#post2150181)

[ontheotherhand]

What I don't understand is that if he wanted to take a job in a violent and troubled conflict zone with a polarising club, why did he not just ask Rovers for a job?

He did.

[weldoninhio]

Bringing the conversation back to Robbie Keane and football, is there any Irish players that might follow him there? Could Troy Parrott for example go there on loan instead of the English lower leagues? TBH I've not ever really given any consideration the the strength of the league there but I always like the idea of our players going abroad rather than just England.

I doubt he'll last 6 months. Would be a waste for any players to head out there.

[Razors left peg]

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I doubt he'll last 6 months. Would be a waste for any players to head out there.

You're probably right based on their recent managerial record, but I hope he doesn't well enough to get a 2nd look at a more stable club.

[Stuttgart88]

Given the excalation of events I wonder is he starting to have any doubts? Not just on moral grounds but also security.

I see Stevie Me has gone to Saudi now.

[texidub]

Security might be an issue for him - Not trying to be rude, but I'm fairly sure he's no expert on geopolitics/ethics. A genius footballer in his day and probably just consumed by the game on every level.

Kinda related, but I haven't seen elsewhere on the forum yet: I saw a few days ago that a TD proposed that Ireland play Palestine in a football friendly. That would be a great idea, IMO and I'm sure would provide a lift to the Palestinians (who have more to worry about in fairness, but would appreciate the symbolic solidarity). Would FIFA punish us somehow for playing against them?

[joey B]

Security might be an issue for him - Not trying to be rude, but I'm fairly sure he's no expert on geopolitics/ethics. A genius footballer in his day and probably just consumed by the game on every level.

Kinda related, but I haven't seen elsewhere on the forum yet: I saw a few days ago that a TD proposed that Ireland play Palestine in a football friendly. That would be a great idea, IMO and I'm sure would provide a lift to the Palestinians (who have more to worry about in fairness, but would appreciate the symbolic solidarity). Would FIFA punish us somehow for playing against them?


They play friendlies and qualifiers all the time,can’t see why it would be an issue??

[texidub]

Sorry, I meant UEFA.. we'd be the 1st european side to play them, I think?

[NeverFeltBetter]

From reading around they've played a bunch of "unofficial" matches against sides outside of the AFC, including a friendly against Dynamo Moscow once apparently. Regardless, there's no rules preventing nations from different confederations arranging friendlies against the other. I mean, we all remember our rivalry with Oman. Would the fact that the state doesn't recognise Palestine be an issue in that regard?

Anyway, I would say that the Irish team shouldn't be arranging friendlies on the basis of political opinion.

[texidub]

haha Ireland vs Oman.. now there's a proper derby :D

Fair point - as a general rule, politicians should stay out of sport. I'm not against the idea of playing Palestine at all, but it doesn't seem to have got much traction.

[EalingGreen]

Would the fact that the state doesn't recognise Palestine be an issue in that regard? Tbh, it's not really a matter for the State, since the ROI team doesn't represent the State, it represents the FAI. Therefore it would be a matter for FIFA, since that is the body which governs relations between two Member Associations from different Confederations.

Or think of it this way, the Irish State doesn't recognise* Gibraltar, but ROI still play them in qualifiers etc.


* - In the sense of it being a sovereign, independent nation state.

[tommy_c12000]

Good start for Robbie with a 6-1 win in Toto cup

[seanfhear]

Good start for Robbie with a 6-1 win in Toto cup
Wizard stuff.

[Fixer82]

Wizard stuff.
He has a long road ahead

[tommy_c12000]

Qualified in style to the group stages of Europa conference league. Currently, winning their opening game with 5 minutes left.

Top of the league after 3 domestic games.

Perfect start so far by Robbie. Hopefully he can continue like this.

[SkStu]

Tommy - do you know who he has on his backroom team?

[pineapple stu]

Wiki says Rory Delap is assistant manager. Mike Stowell and Andy Liddell (who I vaguely remember playing) also there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabi_Tel_Aviv_F.C.

[SkStu]

Cheers Stu! Interesting little collab he’s got going there.

[Fixer82]

Wiki says Rory Delap is assistant manager. Mike Stowell and Andy Liddell (who I vaguely remember playing) also there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabi_Tel_Aviv_F.C.

Is Andy anything to Rod? The guy who.....

[Exgrad]

Could be a rough few days in Tel Aviv for Robbie.

[tommy_c12000]

Could be a rough few days in Tel Aviv for Robbie.

Terrible events. Hopefully he’s doing ok. And hopefully Hamas can be brought under swift control to ensure ongoing safety of his family

[Trequartista20]

Terrible events. Hopefully he’s doing ok. And hopefully Hamas can be brought under swift control to ensure ongoing safety of his family

Save your sympathy for someone who deserves it.

He's a multimillionaire who could live and work in any country in the world. It says a lot about Keane that he chooses to accept the blood money of an apartheid, rogue entity that lives outside the law, in breach of multiple UN sanctions, and that carries out brutal daily atrocities against the defenceless, imprisoned, dispossessed people whose land and homes they stole.

Perhaps now the consequences of supporting such an entity is starting to hit home.

[Trequartista20]

It emerges that Keane 'hid in a panic room' and has now 'fled the country'.

https://talksport.com/football/1593263/robbie-keane-rory-delap-israel/

[tommy_c12000]

Save your sympathy for someone who deserves it.

He's a multimillionaire who could live and work in any country in the world. It says a lot about Keane that he chooses to accept the blood money of an apartheid, rogue entity that lives outside the law, in breach of multiple UN sanctions, and that carries out brutal daily atrocities against the defenceless, imprisoned, dispossessed people whose land and homes they stole.

Perhaps now the consequences of supporting such an entity is starting to hit home.

Save your anti-Semitic rant for another forum

[pineapple stu]

In fairness, while the overall topic is for another forum, your comment was "hopefully Hamas can be brought under swift control to ensure ongoing safety" and I think Trequartista's response was far from anti-Semitic or a rant in that regard. Was a fair response for me

[CraftyToePoke]

In fairness, while the overall topic is for another forum, your comment was "hopefully Hamas can be brought under swift control to ensure ongoing safety" and I think Trequartista's response was far from anti-Semitic or a rant in that regard. Was a fair response for me

It was, yes & his only concern was for Keane & his family also which I find distasteful with hundreds dead so far with women, children and people not involved at all mostly making up those numbers. Not a discussion for here, but Keane bought it like he saw it as the saying goes, a morally questionable career choice at best.

[tommy_c12000]

Yea sure.

Anyways, great start by Robbie. Top of league. Lost to Gent in Europe midweek for his first loss. Hopefully will keep up the results once play starts again

[JR89]

In fairness, while the overall topic is for another forum, your comment was "hopefully Hamas can be brought under swift control to ensure ongoing safety" and I think Trequartista's response was far from anti-Semitic or a rant in that regard. Was a fair response for me

It's the go-to generic response when anything critical is said about Israel.

[tommy_c12000]

Sure it is