Robbie Keane [Archive] - Page 30

Stuttgart88

30/11/2007, 2:30 PM

Do you think refs from outside England have him marked? I think they just ref the game as they see it.Well, that Israel incident was in the first minute so maybe I'm being overly critical, but I think his constant sniping and hassling refs can negatively influence a referee. Crying wolf and all that.

I think Robbie's great by the way, just pointing out a part of his game that I thought he'd dropped but came back on last night's evidence.

Agree with Barney re-captaincy. Aldridge's only goal against "top" opposition was Mexico I think. Great player too though.

stojkovic

30/11/2007, 2:33 PM

As for his goalscoring record. Have any of the Irish players ever scored that many against quality opposition?

YES, FRANK ANTHONY STAPLETON.

Torn-Ado

30/11/2007, 2:37 PM

barney

30/11/2007, 2:38 PM

YES, FRANK ANTHONY STAPLETON.

Not being smart coz I dont know off hand but who did his goals come against?

Torn-Ado

30/11/2007, 2:39 PM

Well, that Israel incident was in the first minute so maybe I'm being overly critical, but I think his constant sniping and hassling refs can negatively influence a referee. Crying wolf and all that.

I think Robbie's great by the way, just pointing out a part of his game that I thought he'd dropped but came back on last night's evidence.

Agree with Barney re-captaincy. Aldridge's only goal against "top" opposition was Mexico I think. Great player too though.

Portugal in 95. They were a good outfit.

Stuttgart88

30/11/2007, 2:45 PM

Was that Aldo's goal, or an og by Baia?

barney

30/11/2007, 2:50 PM

For the last five years, he has been absolutely shocking.

He hasn't produced when we needed him most. He misses in front of goals on a regular basis (this 'doesn't get the service' talk doesn't wash with me). Some people will not hear a bad word said about because he scored a few goals in the world cup but the bottom line is, he has been rubbish and deserves his fair share of criticism like the rest of the team.

Its nothing to do with Irish begrudgery. Which is an overused saying at this stage.

He hasn't been shocking. When we lose or don't get the desired result, a lot of people jump on Keane because he's a star player. But he can't do it by himself and he absolutely doesn't get the service the majority of the time. It's difficult for him (or Doyle or any other striker) to have any effect on the game if the rest of the team is not playing well.

I'm not saying Keane doesn't deserve criticism. His miss against Germany was dreadful and he often gets out of position. His on-field whining grates as well.

But I draw the line at people saying he should be dropped. For who? It's typical of the attitude prevailing in this country at the moment; if we don't get what we want we want a sacrificial lamb whether it solves our problem or not.

Our best players in the last five years have been Given, Dunne and Finnan. That says it all about where we are as a team and to hold Keane responsible is completely missing the point of what the real problems are.

And anyone questioning the fellas commitment needs their head read. Look how much work he gets through in a game, even when he isn't at his best. He turns up for every game regardless of how worthless the game is or if he is carrying a knock or not.

stojkovic

30/11/2007, 2:55 PM

Not being smart coz I dont know off hand but who did his goals come against?

Off hand ;

Euro80 Qualifiers v Bulgaria (home), Denmark (away)

WC82 Qualifiers v France (home), Holland (away)

Euro84 Qualifiers v Spain (2) (home).

Euro88 Qualifiers v Belgium (away), Bulgaria (away)

Im sure there was more.

Note the goals he scored AWAY from home.

barney

30/11/2007, 2:59 PM

Off hand ;

Euro80 Qualifiers v Bulgaria (home), Denmark (away)

WC82 Qualifiers v France (home), Holland (away)

Euro84 Qualifiers v Spain (2) (home).

Euro88 Qualifiers v Belgium (away), Bulgaria (away)

Im sure there was more.

Note the goals he scored AWAY from home.

Fair point.

So we have Frank Stapleton, anyone else?

stojkovic

30/11/2007, 3:00 PM

And anyone questioning the fellas commitment needs their head read. Look how much work he gets through in a game, even when he isn't at his best. He turns up for every game regardless of how worthless the game is or if he is carrying a knock or not.

Even though he is not a Number 9, if you know what that means (ie main striker), his job for Ireland is to score goals and not to be running around like a headless chicken waving his arms around.

I am not anti-Robbie, he was excellent from 1998 to 2002 when his club situation was in turmoil. Since going to Spurs he has been excellent for them and shocking for us.

I, like everyone, would like to see the old Robbie back again, THAT'S ALL.

irishfan86

30/11/2007, 3:01 PM

barney

30/11/2007, 3:12 PM

Even though he is not a Number 9, if you know what that means (ie main striker), his job for Ireland is to score goals and not to be running around like a headless chicken waving his arms around.

I am not anti-Robbie, he was excellent from 1998 to 2002 when his club situation was in turmoil. Since going to Spurs he has been excellent for them and shocking for us.

I, like everyone, would like to see the old Robbie back again, THAT'S ALL.

Patronizing, lovely.

I know exactly what a Number 9 is pal. But if you know anything about football, when a team is not scoring goals it's not always the strikers' fault.

Take the game in Germany last year. Himself and Doyle (I think) may as well have been at home because they didn't see the ball in Germany's half all evening. Criticising them in that game would be like criticising our defenders for not defending enough against San Marino at Lansdowne.

We have been cack for five years. Our best players have been defenders and our 'keeper. We have not had a settled or quality midfield in that time. They are all contributing factors as to why Robbie Keane is not fulfilling his potential. I'm not saying he is blameless - he's due his fair share but some people go over the top because he is Robbie Keane.

stojkovic

30/11/2007, 3:41 PM

Didnt mean to sound patronising.

One little anecdote about Robbie.

In one of the games at Croker we played five across the middle with Robbie up front on his own. Robbie was taking the throw-ins and throwing them into the box. Why was he taking them and who the fcuk was he throwing them to ?

Look it mate, this topic has been exhausted over the past year and I dont wish to continue it.

If your happy with his performance over the past five years well then fair play to you. Im not. As Billo would say, we'll leave it there so.

eirebhoy

30/11/2007, 4:38 PM

I actually seem to remember Keane missing a decent chance in the first half in Germany.

CollegeTillIDie

01/12/2007, 8:19 PM

Niall Quinn used to score against teams like England and Holland not to mention Anto Cascarino :D

NeilMcD

02/12/2007, 4:15 PM

2 goals today so far. does he ever miss penalties.

NeilMcD

02/12/2007, 4:26 PM

There is the jinx. Terrible decision by the ref to send him off.

dodgycanadian

02/12/2007, 4:29 PM

how bad was the foul, what just happened...

NeilMcD

02/12/2007, 4:32 PM

It was a yellow card at most, he caught Muamba in the follow through. Never a red card.

Sligo Hornet

02/12/2007, 5:15 PM

irishfan86

02/12/2007, 9:29 PM

Very harsh decision, hopefully the club appeal that.

SuperDave

03/12/2007, 1:01 AM

Very harsh decision, hopefully the club appeal that.

they have already said they will. can't see it succeeding, though.

on another note, and i don't know if it has been mentioned on here before, but the bbc are forever praising spurs strikers, most notably berbatov, but to a lesser extent the english two, and often seem to be ignoring the one on form this season. maybe i'm just paranoid.:confused:

irishfan86

03/12/2007, 3:58 AM

they have already said they will. can't see it succeeding, though.

on another note, and i don't know if it has been mentioned on here before, but the bbc are forever praising spurs strikers, most notably berbatov, but to a lesser extent the english two, and often seem to be ignoring the one on form this season. maybe i'm just paranoid.:confused:

Whenever I'm watching he's always held in high esteem.

Every now and again you'll hear a comment about him not finishing enough (except during one his scoring streaks), but I think that's been a criticism of him throughout his career at times.

tricky_colour

03/12/2007, 5:58 AM

He needs Stephen Hunt to teach him how to tackle properly.

OwlsFan

03/12/2007, 7:25 AM

You're right, a deadful decision.:mad:...yet in spite of his obvious ( to everyone accept the referee ) innocence, I have to really admire his dignity in not complaining...he went to apologise to the defender for the accidental contact, then walked off clapping the crowd...well done Robbie!:)

It wasn't obvious to everyone except the referee because he obviously checks with the 4th Official who confirms it was a sending off offence. Most people have now joined the Andy Gray school of referee slating ("I am not accepting that" says Gray. WHo cares whether he does or not. He's only a pundit who now thinks he's Mr. Football). Referees only get one chance to see an incident and then get slated by those who view them 7 times on action replays. I have said it once, and I'll say it again. Referees should be assisted by video replays for sending offs, penos and goals like most other sports. Otherwise they'll continue to get condemned for their decisions.

As for Robbie, he might have had a hat trick but missed one where he was through on the goalie but he played well and his peno was superb. Memories of Korea.

eekers

03/12/2007, 8:13 AM

joint top scorer in the premier league.
i think we can void all arguments about him being shiite

NeilMcD

03/12/2007, 9:21 AM

It wasn't obvious to everyone except the referee because he obviously checks with the 4th Official who confirms it was a sending off offence. Most people have now joined the Andy Gray school of referee slating ("I am not accepting that" says Gray. WHo cares whether he does or not. He's only a pundit who now thinks he's Mr. Football). Referees only get one chance to see an incident and then get slated by those who view them 7 times on action replays. I have said it once, and I'll say it again. Referees should be assisted by video replays for sending offs, penos and goals like most other sports. Otherwise they'll continue to get condemned for their decisions.

As for Robbie, he might have had a hat trick but missed one where he was through on the goalie but he played well and his peno was superb. Memories of Korea.

Go marry a refereee Owls Fan, it was never a sending off and he was straight in front of it. Just like a player who should be slagged for missing a chance or not tracking back a referee who makes a bad decision and sees it perfectly should be criticised.

Also you are not the only one who can see Andy Gray for what he is, but just because he is right in this case does not mean we are all followers of the Sky Sports Andy Gray bible.

Also the referee appeared to consult his fourth official which is against the rules as he saw the incident. If they want to bring videos in then fair enough but dont do it in an underhand way like it was done on Sunday.

Stuttgart88

03/12/2007, 9:34 AM

Did anyone see MoTD on Saturday? Hansen saying there was nothing in Melchiot's challenge on Ireland? Shearer got it right in my opinion, surprisingly.

I still haven't seen Robbie's offence yet. Unanimous opinion is that it was harsh. 5 Live thought so at the time.

OwlsFan

03/12/2007, 9:38 AM

Go marry a refereee Owls Fan, it was never a sending off and he was straight in front of it. Just like a player who should be slagged for missing a chance or not tracking back a referee who makes a bad decision and sees it perfectly should be criticised.

Also you are not the only one who can see Andy Gray for what he is, but just because he is right in this case does not mean we are all followers of the Sky Sports Andy Gray bible.

Also the referee appeared to consult his fourth official which is against the rules as he saw the incident. If they want to bring videos in then fair enough but dont do it in an underhand way like it was done on Sunday.

Gray doesn't slate players' mistake the way he slates referees. His "Last Word" is 90% made up of incorrect decisions by Officials. Remember Anders Fisk (the guy who gave us the penalty in Korea against Spain)? He was hounded out of the game by the likes of Gray when he got a major decision incorrect.

My point is it cannot be a coincidence that so many decisions are incorrect.

Blame the system, not the person. The ref can only give what he thinks he sees. It's a totally thankless job made even harder by people like Gray "I am not accepting this". They need technology to assist. Most fans would prefer to see them get the decisions correct and put up with the delay.

geysir

03/12/2007, 10:15 AM

2 goals today so far. does he ever miss penalties.
I think he missed one in the EPL or the FA Cup. Can't remember exactly.
That's about it I think.

NeilMcD

03/12/2007, 10:18 AM

The only one I remember is one against Sunderland in the EPL at White Hart Lane in his first season. He is up there with Le Tissier taking penalities

Stuttgart88

03/12/2007, 10:18 AM

According to the Liam George interview with the Sindo, Robbie missed one for the Irish U18s in the UEFA final against Germany.

SuperDave

03/12/2007, 1:11 PM

It wasn't obvious to everyone except the referee because he obviously checks with the 4th Official who confirms it was a sending off offence. Most people have now joined the Andy Gray school of referee slating ("I am not accepting that" says Gray. WHo cares whether he does or not. He's only a pundit who now thinks he's Mr. Football). Referees only get one chance to see an incident and then get slated by those who view them 7 times on action replays. I have said it once, and I'll say it again. Referees should be assisted by video replays for sending offs, penos and goals like most other sports. Otherwise they'll continue to get condemned for their decisions.
As for Robbie, he might have had a hat trick but missed one where he was through on the goalie but he played well and his peno was superb. Memories of Korea.

we could copy american football, where the coaches are allowed to challenge certain calls, but if they challenge and lose, they can't challenge again AND they lose a time out (though of course sawker couldn't lose timeouts. maybe losing a substitution would work?)

stojkovic

03/12/2007, 9:43 PM

joint top scorer in the premier league.
i think we can void all arguments about him being shiite

Not until he's joint top scorer of the qualifying groups for WC2010 :rolleyes:

osarusan

04/12/2007, 2:03 AM

joint top scorer in the premier league.
i think we can void all arguments about him being shiite

I don't think anybody says he's sh!te full stop. He's just not playing well for Ireland.

And I think the fact that he is in such good form for Spurs, but not reflecting that form for Ireland is a source of frustration for many people, as we can't see the reasons for it.

irishfan86

04/12/2007, 3:19 AM

I don't think anybody says he's sh!te full stop. He's just not playing well for Ireland.

And I think the fact that he is in such good form for Spurs, but not reflecting that form for Ireland is a source of frustration for many people, as we can't see the reasons for it.

I think it's pretty simple, the man needs a target man to be effective.

Doyle is good in the air for his size, but he's not a target man.

If we want to get the best of Keane (if we're going to use him as a striker), then I suggest we give him a big target man like Alan Lee.

Is Alan Lee better than Doyle? No, but as a team we may play better if Doyle is dropped or moved to the wing in order to accommodate Alan Lee up front with Robbie.

The best 11 players do not always make the best team.

eirebhoy

04/12/2007, 9:51 AM

Supporting Ireland is more than just supporting the team for 10 games a year. Robbie Keane is Irish and I'd be delighted if he was top of the premier league scoring charts at the end of the season.

irishfan86

04/12/2007, 9:54 AM

Supporting Ireland is more than just supporting the team for 10 games a year. Robbie Keane is Irish and I'd be delighted if he was top of the premier league scoring charts at the end of the season.

Absolutely agree, I love watching Robbie play.

Watching him wave his arms can be a bit frustrating, but on his day, or when he's in a run of form like this, he is one of the most enjoyable players to watch in the world.

eirebhoy

04/12/2007, 2:58 PM

Keane's appeal was rejected and he'll serve a 3 game ban.

NeilMcD

04/12/2007, 3:00 PM

That really is a disgrace. They are just protecting the referee here. It was the wrong decision.

Bondvillain

04/12/2007, 3:04 PM

Bad call. There appeared to be no discernable malicious intent. The fact seems to be that overturning it, or even recinding it to a more deserved yellow would have undermined an obviously fragile referee, which the board didnt want to do.

Shame.

OwlsFan

04/12/2007, 3:20 PM

I was impressed by Robbie's reaction after the decision. No ranting and raving at the ref. An apology to the opponent and a straight walk off the pitch. Oh for more to behave like that.

see's it

04/12/2007, 3:34 PM

I was impressed by Robbie's reaction after the decision. No ranting and raving at the ref. An apology to the opponent and a straight walk off the pitch. Oh for more to behave like that.

i cant see rooney ever acting like that somehow!

shaneker

04/12/2007, 10:27 PM

He deserves credit for the professional way he walked off but as a wise man once said 'You might as well reward me for not robbing a bank'. That should be expected from a footballer.

However, the appeal is a disgrace. I used to always side unquestioningly with the refs in the EPL (they do a tough job and unlike the majority of continental refs seem eager to clamp down on diving, which is to be applauded) but decisions like this show a dictatorial response; agree with us or be banned. If Robbie had come out and apologised for a dreadful tackle and said he would never do it again, would their decision have been the same?

They can't support ridiculous decisions like this and cry wolf whenever players or managers have a go. Referees tend to be portly enough without having their cake and eating it.

irishfan86

04/12/2007, 11:21 PM

I'm not one to rip referees apart, and although the ref made the incorrect decision, I don't entirely blame him.

If you see something happen in real time in the context of a game, it may look worse than it is. Bad call by the ref but understandable.

The real villains here are the FA discipline committee, how can you see that on replay and say it's a red card?

eirebhoy

26/12/2007, 1:23 PM

Keane gets his 2nd against Fulham and his 100th premiership goal.

irishfan86

27/12/2007, 2:23 PM

Two real poachers efforts, he's really added consistency to his game this season for Tottenham.

Especially nice to see him play so well after a disappointing match against Arsenal.

dr_peepee

27/12/2007, 3:02 PM

True.. But the partnership has to be acknowledged.

I still think Doyle and him have potential as a very good front pair.

passinginterest

27/12/2007, 6:50 PM

Some pretty stunning Keane stats on football365 forum (http://forum.football365.com/index.php?t=msg&th=478635&start=40&). He's scored 31 goals for Spurs in the year 2007 and with 19 Premiership goals in that total he's the top scorer in the calendar year. If he could start bringing more of that form to the international scene it'd be a huge boost to the new manager.