Robbie Keane [Archive] - Page 97

SkStu

20/08/2011, 5:14 PM

though i know the point you are making SF, its not "elevated" at all. Its thoroughly deserved.

Strikers are judged on the currency of goals scored. For brine3 to compare him to Zidane and other such luminaries is absurd and illogical. Some of the best players in the world havent scored as many goals as some of the best strikers in the world but we are not claiming RK as one of the best players in the world but simply one of the most prolific, the most prolific in the British Isles and Irelands greatest ever scorer.

Ridiculous the amount of unwarranted abuse and the lack of respect our greatest ever scorer and greatest current player gets. He is a legend.

brine3

20/08/2011, 5:17 PM

Greatest current player? Now that is elevating things.

SkStu

20/08/2011, 5:21 PM

great argument. Up there with comparing Robbie Keane with Zinedine Zidane.

BonnieShels

20/08/2011, 5:29 PM

Why does everyone always describe the Red Bulls as playing in New York?

Well as a club/franchise they began as the NY/NJ Metrostars for starters.

They're hardly the first NY named sportsteam to be based in NJ.

brine3

20/08/2011, 5:36 PM

great argument. Up there with comparing Robbie Keane with Zinedine Zidane.

If you had been following it was because somebody was going on about how Robbie Keane had scored more international goals than Bobby Charlton, who, like Zidane, is not an out an out striker.

But if we want to compare only out and out strikers, Robbie Keane also scored more international goals than Van Basten, Van Nistelrooy, Klinsmann, Raul, I could go on. But obviously not as many goals as the prolific Ali Daei, who must be the greatest striker in the history of international football by your reckoning.

20 of Robbie Keane's goals were scored in friendly matches. Another 9 came against Malta, San Marino and Cyprus. That means of the 51 goals, 22 were scored against decent opposition on meaningful matches. In a 14 year career. It's what you'd expect from any half decent striker who always gets picked for his country because there is no competition for his place.

I still think that Stapleton is Ireland's greatest ever all-round striker. He worked his arse off for the team.

And as for greatest current player, I'd say that Robbie Keane comes in fourth after Given, Duff and Dunne. But there's no shame in that. They are top players.

SkStu

20/08/2011, 5:47 PM

I still think that Stapleton is Ireland's greatest ever all-round striker. He worked his arse off for the team..

why the need to create a sub-category?

And as for greatest current player, I'd say that Robbie Keane comes in fourth after Given, Duff and Dunne. But there's no shame in that. They are top players.

whats your rationale for that? None of them have come close to reaching Keanes level of achievements except Given. And even at that i dont think Given has saved us as many games as Keane has won us.

And your qualification of Keanes goals is a red herring. Why dont you do the same with every other striker? Goals are goals.

brine3

20/08/2011, 5:50 PM

You're joking, Given has been an absolute rock for Ireland. He has saved us loads of points.

tetsujin1979

20/08/2011, 5:55 PM

You're joking, Given has been an absolute rock for Ireland. He has saved us loads of points.
The question was - has Given saved us more points than Keane has won?

SkStu

20/08/2011, 5:56 PM

You're joking, Given has been an absolute rock for Ireland. He has saved us loads of points.

i have to go. Read what i said again.

boovidge

20/08/2011, 6:25 PM

If you had been following it was because somebody was going on about how Robbie Keane had scored more international goals than Bobby Charlton, who, like Zidane, is not an out an out striker.

But if we want to compare only out and out strikers, Robbie Keane also scored more international goals than Van Basten, Van Nistelrooy, Klinsmann, Raul, I could go on. But obviously not as many goals as the prolific Ali Daei, who must be the greatest striker in the history of international football by your reckoning.

20 of Robbie Keane's goals were scored in friendly matches. Another 9 came against Malta, San Marino and Cyprus. That means of the 51 goals, 22 were scored against decent opposition on meaningful matches. In a 14 year career. It's what you'd expect from any half decent striker who always gets picked for his country because there is no competition for his place.

I still think that Stapleton is Ireland's greatest ever all-round striker. He worked his arse off for the team.

And as for greatest current player, I'd say that Robbie Keane comes in fourth after Given, Duff and Dunne. But there's no shame in that. They are top players.

You must know you're struggling to make a decent argument when you take Keane's "meaningless" goals away (including against Cyprus- the very same team that spanked us 5-2) and he still has more than any other Irish striker ever.

Spudulika

20/08/2011, 7:32 PM

I think brine3 is struggling hard, Mammy and Daddy think he's safely tucked up in bed, yet he's sitting down in the play room with the family laptop wumming. Cannot see any sensible argument against acknowledging RK as a good striker who has served our country well. Full stop.

DannyInvincible

20/08/2011, 8:02 PM

Yes, and Robbie Keane also scored more international goals than Zinedine Zidane and Pavel Nedved put together.

What point are you trying to make exactly?

It's some sort of measure of his achievement and ability for his position. Why bother keeping such a record at all? And as boovidge so appropriately points out, even if you are to exclude what you perceive to be his "meaningless" goals, he'd still be a goal ahead of our next highest ever scorer Niall Quinn. That's just an indication of how way ahead of the rest he is. Robbie's job is to score goals for us, and on that basis, he's outdone himself, be it in friendlies, "banana skins" or big games. His commitment is beyond question. He's an Irish legend just as Ali Daei is so rightly and obviously an Iranian legend.

BonnieShels

20/08/2011, 9:56 PM

The patronizing tone that the hacks on the radio are taking re Robbie is quite something. It's starting to get beyond a joke.
I had to turn of Today FM earlier because of it.

brine3

21/08/2011, 1:00 AM

I think brine3 is struggling hard, Mammy and Daddy think he's safely tucked up in bed, yet he's sitting down in the play room with the family laptop wumming.

What is the purpose of this?

Cannot see any sensible argument against acknowledging RK as a good striker who has served our country well. Full stop.

I never said otherwise. A good striker who has served our country well. That's about it. But I'll always think of what he could have been if he had the brains to match his god given talent.

EastTerracer

21/08/2011, 1:33 AM

Robbie starts for LA tonight. game starts in 45 minutes (3.30am Irish time)

From Twitter: “@galaxyprez: Josh, frankie, omar, gregg, todd, sean, david, juninho, landon, robbie, adam is the starting lineup. * Go Galaxy. *Big win needed tonight!!”

strangeirish

21/08/2011, 2:17 AM

Link to the game if anyone's still up.

Here. (http://www.justin.tv/dysreflexx#/w/1649329776)

Charlie Darwin

21/08/2011, 2:37 AM

"Nodded down, a one-bouncer!"

God I've missed you, MLS.

EastTerracer

21/08/2011, 2:48 AM

Not for the first time he scores on his debut. Had a small wager at 10/3 on bet365.com. 1-0 Galaxy

Charlie Darwin

21/08/2011, 2:48 AM

1-0 Robbie, from a Beckham hoofball. Goalkeeper did a Gary Rogers and Keane just let the ball run past and slotted home.

strangeirish

21/08/2011, 2:48 AM

"Nodded down, a one-bouncer!"

God I've missed you, MLS."Keane's preferred left foot"...Time for the mute button. Ha! Then he scores...with his left foot. These Yanks know their ball!;)

EastTerracer

21/08/2011, 3:02 AM

The goal should be available here

http://www.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2011-08-20-la-galaxy-vs-san-jose-earthquakes/highlights?videoID=18424

Update: Robbie subbed off to a standing ovation after 71 minutes. Not surprising seeing as he only arrived in LA about 36 hours ago.

Colbert Report

21/08/2011, 4:16 AM

I'm not sure what Robbie is out to prove scoring goals like that. Just look at the pitiful offside "trap". Just because he can score goals against semi-professionals does not mean he's a world class striker.

Charlie Darwin

21/08/2011, 4:26 AM

Who said it does?

mypost

21/08/2011, 7:15 AM

Ireland's greatest ever goalscorer strikes again.

I'm not sure what Robbie is out to prove scoring goals like that. Just look at the pitiful offside "trap". Just because he can score goals against semi-professionals does not mean he's a world class striker.

First they whinge he can't score goals. Then he scores goals, but the opposition are crap.

It's his job to score goals, so it's not a surprise he's scoring already.

DannyInvincible

21/08/2011, 8:04 AM

boovidge

21/08/2011, 9:50 AM

I can't wait until he scores a chipper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXauYVy_dws

BonnieShels

21/08/2011, 9:56 AM

Beckham was right, he is a great addition to the roster.

How'd David do around the midfield stripe?

AlaskaFox

21/08/2011, 10:03 AM

Beckham was right, he is a great addition to the roster.

How'd David do around the midfield stripe?

He looked best in the redzone I thought.

Metrostars

21/08/2011, 10:46 AM

http://www.soccerbyives.net/.a/6a00e54ef2975b8833015390dceff8970b-pi

BonnieShels

21/08/2011, 11:04 AM

That's the sort of celebration that will go down well.

amaccann

21/08/2011, 2:39 PM

Pretty rotten defending but hey, the striker still has to have the guile & nerve to finish it off. Not bad for a jet-lagged player.

However, I find this thread consistently depressing that yet another Keane for Ireland seems to create either overzealous defence, or flippant dismissal of the player. God forbid we have a reasoned discussion about whether Keane's club career has been quite as stellar as his International one, or if he ever really matured as a player. No no; much easier to throw around cheap insults and dismissals instead.

BonnieShels

21/08/2011, 2:42 PM

From 2 posters though. Very clear that the majority of foot.ie welcomes this move and are pro-Keane.

amaccann

21/08/2011, 2:46 PM

From 2 posters though. Very clear that the majority of foot.ie welcomes this move and are pro-Keane.

Uhm, not all of us do though, we're just afraid of getting given off to by the sometimes rabid majority :)

EastTerracer

21/08/2011, 2:55 PM

Uhm, not all of us do though, we're just afraid of getting given off to by the sometimes rabid majority :)

I think the person who's been subject to most abuse here has been Robbie Keane. I'd welcome a reasoned debate but when posters start off by calling Keane a waster, a money-grabber or various other names (often based on what they've seen in the papers rather than on any evidence) then it becomes very difficult to have a reasoned discussion.

Drumcondra 69er

21/08/2011, 5:55 PM

From 2 posters though. Very clear that the majority of foot.ie welcomes this move and are pro-Keane.

Was away all week so not commented till now. I've always been very pro Keane, I think he was shafted at Liverpool but should have stuck it out when you look at the amount of game time the likes of N'Gogg woulnd up getting after he left. It was the easy option going back to Spurs but I didn't blame him for it although at the time I thought it was a bad move given 'Arry's boner for Defoe, had Defoe not been injured at the time I doubt the move would have happened. That was how it turned out but like I say I wouldn't criticise Robbie for it, he'd seen Defoe off once already and had the belief he could do it again.

But I have to admit I'm disgusted with him over this move, he's far too good for the MLS and could have had another couple of years in the EPL had he reduced his wage demands, this move is all about money. I'd have liked to see him around for another campaign after this one and think he would have been able for it. I'd have loved to see him play another World Cup for us. But I doubt that will happen now, it would actually be an insult to Long if he keeps on playing as well as he is in the EPL and he isn't ahead of Keane in the pecking order come the WC qualifiers. I just don't see playing in MLS being conducive to him retaining the sharpness he'd need to play international football till he's 34 and I think that's a shame. Had this move come in 2 years time I'd have said fair enough but not now. That said, he'll score for fun over there but the standard is awful as can be seen by the defending for his goal last night....

DannyInvincible

21/08/2011, 6:06 PM

That said, he'll score for fun over there but the standard is awful as can be seen by the defending for his goal last night....

What defending? ;)

Qwerty

21/08/2011, 8:37 PM

Was away all week so not commented till now. I've always been very pro Keane, I think he was shafted at Liverpool but should have stuck it out when you look at the amount of game time the likes of N'Gogg woulnd up getting after he left. It was the easy option going back to Spurs but I didn't blame him for it although at the time I thought it was a bad move given 'Arry's boner for Defoe, had Defoe not been injured at the time I doubt the move would have happened. That was how it turned out but like I say I wouldn't criticise Robbie for it, he'd seen Defoe off once already and had the belief he could do it again.

But I have to admit I'm disgusted with him over this move, he's far too good for the MLS and could have had another couple of years in the EPL had he reduced his wage demands, this move is all about money. I'd have liked to see him around for another campaign after this one and think he would have been able for it. I'd have loved to see him play another World Cup for us. But I doubt that will happen now, it would actually be an insult to Long if he keeps on playing as well as he is in the EPL and he isn't ahead of Keane in the pecking order come the WC qualifiers. I just don't see playing in MLS being conducive to him retaining the sharpness he'd need to play international football till he's 34 and I think that's a shame. Had this move come in 2 years time I'd have said fair enough but not now. That said, he'll score for fun over there but the standard is awful as can be seen by the defending for his goal last night....

What's he going to win in the EPL? ... nothing! nada! zippo! so he may as well grab the cash and maybe win the MLS cup, he's unlikely to add to his wee League Cup medal playing in the U.K .

He'll still play for Ireland and his scoring record for Ireland makes him a legend.

His club career never really turned out as expected, he never was a true top class player, very good at times but never great and fading away in the EPL won't change that.

He's back doing those rubbish cartwheels again, honestly at his age it's embarrassing...

paul_oshea

21/08/2011, 8:42 PM

I think he did it because it was his first goal.

What i didnt like, is keane seemed quite dismissive of his other team mates there, like the big fish in the small pond.

DannyInvincible

21/08/2011, 8:43 PM

He's back doing those rubbish cartwheels again

Ha, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a clause in his Galaxy contract to ensure their performance.

jbyrne

21/08/2011, 8:44 PM

He's back doing those rubbish cartwheels again, honestly at his age it's embarrassing...

klose does a similar forward flip when he scores for germany also. i doubt the germans give a hoot as long as he keeps scoring for fun for them.
couldnt give ahoot how robbie celebrates as long as he keeps banging them in for us

DannyInvincible

21/08/2011, 8:45 PM

I think he did it because it was his first goal.

What i didnt like, is keane seemed quite dismissive of his other team mates there, like the big fish in the small pond.

Noticed that myself, but I think what was the dismissive "I'm the man with my arms out wide" stance for some was actually an attempt to catch the attention of Sir Beckham.

Drumcondra 69er

21/08/2011, 8:52 PM

What's he going to win in the EPL? ... nothing! nada! zippo! so he may as well grab the cash and maybe win the MLS cup, he's unlikely to add to his wee League Cup medal playing in the U.K .

He'll still play for Ireland and his scoring record for Ireland makes him a legend.

His club career never really turned out as expected, he never was a true top class player, very good at times but never great and fading away in the EPL won't change that.

He's back doing those rubbish cartwheels again, honestly at his age it's embarrassing...

I don't disagree, I think he's a total legend for Ireland, I just think that this will curtail his Irish career by a couple of years.

You wouldn't know what he could have won in the EPL, Birmingham won a trophy last year ffs, Fulham got to the Europa League final, just because he wouldn't be pushing for top 4 doesn't mean he wouldn't have a shout of winning anything.

Sullivinho

21/08/2011, 9:25 PM

klose does a similar forward flip when he scores for germany also. i doubt the germans give a hoot as long as he keeps scoring for fun for them.
couldnt give ahoot how robbie celebrates as long as he keeps banging them in for us

Too right. Anyway, if the pi$$ should turn up missing, Julius Aghahowa is my prime suspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUPRNEJv9rg

cclinton

21/08/2011, 11:57 PM

But I have to admit I'm disgusted with him over this move, he's far too good for the MLS and could have had another couple of years in the EPL had he reduced his wage demands, this move is all about money. I'd have liked to see him around for another campaign after this one and think he would have been able for it. I'd have loved to see him play another World Cup for us. But I doubt that will happen now, it would actually be an insult to Long if he keeps on playing as well as he is in the EPL and he isn't ahead of Keane in the pecking order come the WC qualifiers. I just don't see playing in MLS being conducive to him retaining the sharpness he'd need to play international football till he's 34 and I think that's a shame. Had this move come in 2 years time I'd have said fair enough but not now. That said, he'll score for fun over there but the standard is awful as can be seen by the defending for his goal last night....

Not quite sure of why it's because he's playing in MLS that you think this. If his confidence is good because of fitness and scoring goals, the MLS has nothing to do with being conducive to retaining his sharpness. If Shane Long (or more likely Kevin Doyle) has a long scoring drought, but Robbie is among the leading scorers in MLS... who you gonna pick to play?

You have a generalized belief that the standard is awful in MLS, you are welcome to it (even if wrong) but even then it's not certain he will score for fun over here. There are some very good well organized MLS and Concacaf teams that will test Robbie and provide ample proof to us as to whether he should be ahead of Shane, Kevin or anyone else. It's up to Robbie to make his case along with the others in our frame.

This will not be an easy move for him... Being a long way from home, young kid in tow, Claudine to look after, perhaps another kid in a reasonable timeframe. Those issues, and not the quality of MLS itself, will weigh heavier in the end product of what we hope to see,... a Robbie Keane scoring regularly and doing cartwheels ;-)