Robbie Keane

[DeLorean]

Are you sure you are in the know?
Sounds like a legitimate goal.

I'm working off memory, not of the actual match but watching videos years later and there was something about it in that fantastic collection - World Cup '90!! remember that binder thing with the stickers!! I'll look it up.

[DeLorean]

Are you sure you are in the know?
Sounds like a legitimate goal.

Just looked it up there and it seems to have been the right decision to allow the goal alright, as clarified in 1987. There was huge controversy at the time though (apparently) and I think the general feeling was that it shouldn't have stood. I'll take a look at that WC binder thing later on to see.

Bruno Bellone Penalty v Brazil 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_shootout_(association_football)#Developmen t)

[Duggie]

It's a little known fact that if a player takes a penalty and it rebounds back off the woodwork without another player touching it, the taker cannot touch the ball again.

i never knew this have to say unless it was a peno shoot out. i doubt many people know this.

[Stuttgart88]

Are you sure you are in the know?
Sounds like a legitimate goal.Incorrect :)

It was in a shoot-out after extra time. Once the ball had hit the post and rebounded out, the penalty should have been deemed to have been missed. I think Clive Thomas was quoted on ITV.

The goal stood but experts said afterwards it was the wrong decision. Morally people weren't that fussed cos the Brazilian keeper committed a blatant professional foul in normal time and was seen to have got his come-uppance. That was before mandatory red cards.

Are you sure about the wikipedia reference DeLorean?

[geysir]

I was correct based on available information.

Sure everybody knows the rules are different for shoot out penalties :)

[DeLorean]

The goal stood but experts said afterwards it was the wrong decision

Yeah that's exactly the way I remembered it.


Are you sure about the wikipedia reference DeLorean?

In what sense?

am I sure the info is correct? nope

am I sure I posted the correct link? yes, if you can't find it just use ctrl f on the article and type in Bellone.

[Stuttgart88]

In what sense?

am I sure the info is correct? nope


That's what I meant - because my recollection of the event was the same as yours.

[DeLorean]

That's what I meant - because my recollection of the event was the same as yours.

Maybe that Madrid ruling just cleared it up for normal penalties as opposed to shoot-out penalties.

[geysir]

The madrid rule cleared it up for shootout penalties as well. The refs decision to allow that shoot out penalty goal was supported by the rule clarification.

[DeLorean]

The madrid rule cleared it up for shootout penalties as well. The refs decision to allow that shoot out penalty goal was supported by the rule clarification.

Yeah, I really had it in my head that type of goal wouldn't stand anymore in a shootout though, ah well

[harpstilidie]

So if the ball hits the post and rebounds out and hits the keeper and goes in it does count?? Thought so.

[John83]

So if the ball hits the post and rebounds out and hits the keeper and goes in it does count?? Thought so.
As I understand it, for a penalty in open play, yes. For a penalty in a shoot-out, no - once the ball stops going forwards, it's dead.

[geysir]

You have to read the Madrid rule then.

[superfrank]

For a penalty in a shoot-out, no - once the ball stops going forwards, it's dead.
Fairly certain I read somewhere that France scored a pen in the shoot-out with Brazil in the 1986 quarter-final that happened that way.

The kicker hit it, it struck the post, came back out, struck the shoulder of the diving keeper and went over the line.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOKPsc6D7js
It was Bruno Bellone, about 5:35.

[Crosby87]

Keane's comments today about how the team is deeper than Arsenal and how Spurs want to be in Champions League do not sound like a man who is leaving for Celtic...

Also picked up a knock against Everton? Lets hope he stays healthy.

[elroy]

I'm working off memory, not of the actual match but watching videos years later and there was something about it in that fantastic collection - World Cup '90!! remember that binder thing with the stickers!! I'll look it up.

Have that red binder at home myself, really great read, collected all the issues but didnt get all the stickers. Great picture of Hughton and Gullit on the front.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Fairly certain I read somewhere that France scored a pen in the shoot-out with Brazil in the 1986 quarter-final that happened that way.

The kicker hit it, it struck the post, came back out, struck the shoulder of the diving keeper and went over the line.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOKPsc6D7js
It was Bruno Bellone, about 5:35.

You could have read it about 15 posts up in this thread!!

[DmanDmythDledge]

his form hasnt been the best but he still has 7 in all comps for spurs and 5 in the WC qualifying. so in this case he has his shooting boots on even if his form isnt as it could be.
Not really. 4 of his goals were in the one game so that means quite a few games he has not scored in for Spurs this season. He's only scored in 4/12 games.

[DeLorean]

Have that red binder at home myself, really great read, collected all the issues but didnt get all the stickers. Great picture of Hughton and Gullit on the front.

Quality collection. There was nearly as much a buzz about it as the World Cup itself!! the red & blue packet stickers!!!:D

[soccerboy]

that world cup 90 binder was quality....i still have mine,take a look at it every now and then,such great memories....they should bring out something similar next year!!one thing i remember about it was that they had denmark in it even though they failed to qualify!!

[Colbert Report]

Does anyone remember the pop up cards they gave out in boxes of Corn Flakes before USA '94? Best memory from childhood.

[DeLorean]

that world cup 90 binder was quality....i still have mine,take a look at it every now and then,such great memories....they should bring out something similar next year!!one thing i remember about it was that they had denmark in it even though they failed to qualify!!

Yeah I think Romania pipped em at the death. The Danes were the only 2nd placed Europeans not to qualify. I'm sure winning the European Championship two years later made up for it, even though they didn't qualify for that either.

Robbie Keane scored two goals against Denmark in a friendly before...:o

[John83]

Does anyone remember the pop up cards they gave out in boxes of Corn Flakes before USA '94? Best memory from childhood.
Loved those at the time.

[DeLorean]

Does anyone remember the pop up cards they gave out in boxes of Corn Flakes before USA '94? Best memory from childhood.

Can't place em...remember the gold coin collection, can't remember who supplied it though:confused:

[Traps Cat]

Can't place em...remember the gold coin collection, can't remember who supplied it though:confused:

Yep , nearly sure it was Esso Petrol who supplied them. Remember Brian Clough did the add for the world cup 90 binder!!

[elroy]

Does anyone remember the pop up cards they gave out in boxes of Corn Flakes before USA '94? Best memory from childhood.

I sure do, quality.

Memories flooding back, anyone remember the coin collection Centra put out in 1994. I still have it somewhere, got all the coins, one for each player.

[Razors left peg]

Back to Robbie Keane.... anyone know how he played today?

[EastTerracer]

Back to Robbie Keane.... anyone know how he played today?

Another very quiet performance today unfortunately. Subbed just after the hour mark again. Hopefully he has done enough to get dropped next weekend when Defoe is back. A two week break before the playoffs might be just what he needs.

[Supreme feet]

Back to Robbie Keane.... anyone know how he played today?

Poor enough. He was deployed on the left of a five-man midfield in the first half and looked lost, but didn't look sharp even when moved into the centre. Taken off near the hour-mark. Hope he's saving himself for the playoffs...

[Junior]

Like a few other members of our squad - should probably learn to choose his words more carefully prior to big games. France certainly don't need to be told "we can take them";)

[OneRedArmy]

Listed as an injury doubt for France by RTE.

[DeNiro]

Listed as an injury doubt for France by RTE.

Yeh, just saw that. He didn't look injured coming off. Any updates on that?

[Colbert Report]

He was definitely injured. Gallas took him out right when he took a shot from the left hand side of the box. I was very very worried especially when he subbed off five minutes later.

[Razors left peg]

If Robbie and Duffer are injured for the France game we are finished.This is gonna be a very long 2 weeks hoping that nothing happens to our big players

[tetsujin1979]

I did think he was limping just before he was substituted, but it didn't look serious

[Rossi]

Hmm so a French player, who is managed by a French manager, takes out an Irish player. Convenient.

[Stuttgart88]

I thought he might have got a knock alright. Papers this morning said he should have scored twice when put in by Crouch flicks but I think that's harsh. Song madea great tackle on him to stop a certain goal, and Robbie showed a lot of skill to get into the position.

It didn't look like a bad knock - surely he'll be OK in 2 weeks.

[tetsujin1979]

Spurs aren't playing again until next weekend VS Sunderland, I expect he'll be fine by then. He was limping, but looked more uncomfortable than anything else.

[Razors left peg]

Robbie played a game for us only a couple of days after his father died, I think he would play on crutches in these games if he had to.

[Noelys Guitar]

Just scored a bundled in goal. Got into a great position to score.Thankfully this happened just after he was brutally hacked down by Bardsley. Not injured thank god.

[Noelys Guitar]

Keane subbed and not happy. Tactical substition

[tetsujin1979]

Keane subbed and not happy. Tactical substition
TBH I'm happy he made it through the game unscathed

[FarBeag]

He scored but wasnt great this afternoon. Am glad he came through ok though. Andy Reid and himself had a long chat after the game. Maybe as captain Robbie will have a word with Trap give him a run down on how Reid excelled today.

[danonion]

94 caps, 40 goals

I reckon his goals are directly responsible for at least 8 pts in the campaign.

I hope he hits the net against France, the man is a hero!

[irishfan86]

I agree, I would love it if he bagged a goal or a few against the French over the two legs. He's got a knack for scoring goals against the big nations (Germany '02, Italy '09), and I think I'd bank on him getting at least one over the two matches.

Glad to see him score a goal on the weekend for Spurs- hopefully this will have him confident going into these matches.

[Duggie]

Keane subbed and not happy. Tactical substition

for once i was happy to see him leave the field. scored and not injured thank God. perfect result. keano :ball:

[drummerboy]

I've been a big fan or Robbie for a long time but I'm worried about the form he has shown at club level this season. Thankfully he is playing well for Ireland, lets hope that continues over the next two games and beyond.

[DeLorean]

I've been a big fan or Robbie for a long time but I'm worried about the form he has shown at club level this season

Keane's club form never seems to relate directly to his International form. He only started a handful of matches for Leeds in the 01/02 season yet went on to have a great WC. He was playing out of his skin for Spurs during our last campaign and was in very poor form for us. This campaign has probably been his best ever, his goals directly responsible for 8pts in the group, yet his club situation was very rocky for some of it.

[Duggie]

yes his form at spurs is a bit off but hes top scorer with 8 goals there(defoe 7).good return at this time of the year. prefer him to be scoring and not playing that well than playing well and missing chances. hes grand IMO, ticking along very nicely.

[Emmet7]

He always does well when there is no pressure on him.

At Liverpool there was massive pressure.

But the guy has done brilliantly for Ireland especially for 2002 WC. Scored against Iran in Dublin in the qualifier, scored against Germany in the WC and scored the peno against Spain in the second round.