Robbie Keane

[ken foree]

hopefully newspapers just being newspapers. i was thinking 'ugh newcy again' but after seeing some of emre and parker, they might have the midfield for a decent side this year. it's a big *might* since they could be gank at the back. agin arsenal carr frittered a swiss (away) style pass across the top of his box which gave bergkamp an early shot and had me gritting my teeth.

[geysir]

hopefully newspapers just being newspapers. i was thinking 'ugh newcy again' but after seeing some of emre and parker, they might have the midfield for a decent side this year. it's a big *might* since they could be gank at the back. agin arsenal carr frittered a swiss (away) style pass across the top of his box which gave bergkamp an early shot and had me gritting my teeth.

Translation please.

[ken foree]

Translation please.

yea really. :o eh lessee, newcy for keane bad except maybe not coz of their new midfield. except maybe yes newcy = bad for keane coz their defense could be crap and carr did his best imitation of himself vs. switzerland away, which made me mad. ahem. :)

[thejollyrodger]

Carr has been in decline for years now.. gone are the days with his great runs up the flanks.. he is a liability and i cant wait till kelly comes through

As for robbie, he is gone. Jol doesnt rate him, didnt rate him out in where ever they won that cup in Asia and doesnt rate him now. Robbie maybe injured but his style of play doesnt fit in with Jols dutch run outfit

[Superhoops]

As for robbie, he is gone. Jol doesnt rate him, didnt rate him out in where ever they won that cup in Asia and doesnt rate him now. Robbie maybe injured but his style of play doesnt fit in with Jols dutch run outfit
Perhaps Chris Hughton ought to get out video of Holland v Ireland in June 2004 to remind Jol what Robbie can do!

[thejollyrodger]

Perhaps Chris Hughton ought to get out video of Holland v Ireland in June 2004 to remind Jol what Robbie can do!

Pity robbie couldnt score all his goals like that

[geysir]

Pity robbie couldnt score all his goals like that

The others were not a patch on that one. Lucky shin deflection against the Saudis, the Dutch let him run on and on and on in 2004. More luck against Iran it could have gone anywhere, lucky the goalkeeper was on his way to the deck.. again. And against Germany, handed to him on a plate by Quinn.
And of course penalties don't count, doesn't matter if its the last kick of the biggest game of his life, beamed live around the world, still doesn't count.
In fact I am even questioning if he actually meant to stick it in the back of the net against Holland 2001 with his head, if you look close enough was he not first going to attempt the bicycle kick a la Mick Leech.
Jolly, I think the secret is out that Robbie's head is about as usefull as Duff's head when it comes to scoring goals with, maybe marginally more usefull as so far he has not used it to prevent a goal being scored.

[geysir]

yea really. :o eh lessee, newcy for keane bad except maybe not coz of their new midfield. except maybe yes newcy = bad for keane coz their defense could be crap and carr did his best imitation of himself vs. switzerland away, which made me mad. ahem. :)

Thanks for that. Not to mention they are struggling like hell without our O'Brien.

[Stuttgart88]

There's a lot of talk in the English rags this morning that Spurs are to offer Robbie plus cash to Newcastle for Jenas.

[gustavo]

The others were not a patch on that one. Lucky shin deflection against the Saudis, the Dutch let him run on and on and on in 2004. More luck against Iran it could have gone anywhere, lucky the goalkeeper was on his way to the deck.. again. And against Germany, handed to him on a plate by Quinn.
And of course penalties don't count, doesn't matter if its the last kick of the biggest game of his life, beamed live around the world, still doesn't count.
In fact I am even questioning if he actually meant to stick it in the back of the net against Holland 2001 with his head, if you look close enough was he not first going to attempt the bicycle kick a la Mick Leech.
Jolly, I think the secret is out that Robbie's head is about as usefull as Duff's head when it comes to scoring goals with, maybe marginally more usefull as so far he has not used it to prevent a goal being scored.


well im glad he got that goal against spain showed a lot of character imo . even though you maintain it doesnt "count" :rolleyes: if you were going to be so damn picky on what constitutes a good goal for everyone there wouldnt be a lot of good strikers left in the world

[Peadar]

There's a lot of talk in the English rags this morning that Spurs are to offer Robbie plus cash to Newcastle for Jenas.

That was in the Evening Standard yesterday.
Sounds very plausable.
After watching Newcastle on Sunday, Robbie would walk into that side.

[gustavo]

football365 seem to maintain that he iis spurs fourth choice striker? is this the case?

[thejollyrodger]

Soccer Shorts
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/sport/2005/0816/2992720557SP2SOCSHORTS.html

Keane may be bait: Newcastle could be tempted by the bait of Robbie Keane if Tottenham propose a part-exchange deal for Jermaine Jenas.

Newcastle have so far ruled out selling their 22-year-old England squad midfielder, who yesterday saw his controversial red card at Arsenal reduced to a yellow.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has ruled out an approach, but Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd is expecting an approach from Tottenham, with suggestions that £5 million plus Keane could be tabled.

Sounds like Robbies on his way out :(

[Dublin12]

There's a lot of talk in the English rags this morning that Spurs are to offer Robbie plus cash to Newcastle for Jenas.

Didn't Sourness say he's not the type of striker he's lookin for a few weeks ago.Bad move for Robbie imo,who would want to go to play for him,he hasn't got a clue how to manage a team.

[gustavo]

on the other hand though he would be pretty much guaranteed his game .pretty important especially in what could be a world cup year.

[ken foree]

football365 seem to maintain that he iis spurs fourth choice striker? is this the case?

i dunno, i'd guess that jol thinks of his strikers as a choice between 1 of keane/defoe playing alongside 1 of kanoute/mido. i don't think they'd play mido and kanoute partnership ahead of keane too often (unless keane's injured, totally out of form, etc), he'd at least join one of them if defoe was injured, for example? so robbie as strictly 4th choice, though it may appear that way, reeks of the brownstuff. why do they want to buy jenas anyway is what i'm wondering

[geysir]

well im glad he got that goal against spain showed a lot of character imo . even though you maintain it doesnt "count" :rolleyes: if you were going to be so damn picky on what constitutes a good goal for everyone there wouldnt be a lot of good strikers left in the world

Agreed, I had thought that the over exaggerated, totally irrational tone of my mocking Keane could only lead to one conclusion that AFAIAC he is first choice, he is the best we have up front and we are fortunate to have him. His attitude and commitment to playing for Ireland are unquestionable. His overall play, skill levels, and goal scoring instincts I would say rank him up there or thereabouts with Stapelton.

[youngirish]

Has Jol gone mad? What is it with Jermain Jenas? He's s**t. While Keane is a proven International goalscorer. The 5 million should be going to Spurs with Jenas and not the other way around.

Wenger was spot on with his remark about overpriced English players. I hate to see our top players undervalued like this .

[geysir]

i dunno, i'd guess that jol thinks of his strikers as a choice between 1 of keane/defoe playing alongside 1 of kanoute/mido. i don't think they'd play mido and kanoute partnership ahead of keane too often (unless keane's injured, totally out of form, etc), he'd at least join one of them if defoe was injured, for example? so robbie as strictly 4th choice, though it may appear that way, reeks of the brownstuff. why do they want to buy jenas anyway is what i'm wondering

I would have thought that a team with aspirations and money would have 4 strikers at their disposal. As you imply, Jol can't get his head around the choice of permutations involved with his strikers. Not only that, he has publically stated it time and time again. Hoddle who signed Keane, imo knew how to get the best out of Keane, esp. with Sherringham in that side.
>why do they want to buy jenas anyway?
It reminds me off O'Leary's spending spree with Leeds the difference is Spurs have money and are a profitable club despite wasting millions on players like Rebrov. Jol is still confused? retail therapy?

[NeilMcD]

Its all paper talk so far. Where is the evidence that Jol has offered Robbie plus 5 million for Jenas. Too many people believe what is said in websites and in tabloid newspapers. THere are no quotes from any of the articles. Never believe a news story without quotes would be my view.

[zinedineontour]

Jol has always stated that he wants 4 strikers at the club. If anyone is looking to be moved on it seems to be Kanoute from what he is saying .. Robbie has had a great pre season and once he gets over his injury will be challenging defoe for first team spot ... Move backwards going to newcastle for sure ...

[eirebhoy]

Looks like I'm in the minority in wanting him to go to Newcastle.

....................Given........................
Carr..Boumsong..New-player..Babayaro
Bowyer........Dyer....Parker.........Emre
................Keane...Shearer..............

I'd love to see him as first choice in a team like that. Souness is not rated by many but I rate him higher than most. He got Blackburn to 5th or 6th and into the UEFA cup where they did well and I've tipped Newcastle to finish 4th this season if they sign a decent striker and centre half.

[ken foree]

they're (newcy) better in the middle than they were last year but at c. half i think boumsong still may have some way to go and there is the question over his partner. lad didn't do too poorly against henry and co. on sunday though. i think emre/parker/shearer/keane would be interesting to see. i'm not as averse to the possibility of robbie going there as i was last year

[geysir]

Looks like I'm in the minority in wanting him to go to Newcastle.

....................Given........................
Carr..Boumsong..New-player..Babayaro
Bowyer........Dyer....Parker.........Emre
................Keane...Shearer..............

I'd love to see him as first choice in a team like that. Souness is not rated by many but I rate him higher than most. He got Blackburn to 5th or 6th and into the UEFA cup where they did well and I've tipped Newcastle to finish 4th this season if they sign a decent striker and centre half.

Then you would have to admit that there is an amount of self intrest involved :-)
Personally I thought Blackburn were humiliated in their 2 uefa adventures under Souness, especially with Celtic rubbing it in in Ewood Park and then the season previous, beaten by a much smaller team afair.
If (i guess) Robbie has only a year to go on his contract with Spurs then it would be to his great financial advantage to hang on in there and make his own choice next year.
Looking at the Newcastle team I think they need a few more than 2 players to cover existing gaps, inevitable injuries and suspensions to make up a squad that could finish 4th.

[tetsujin1979]

Souness is not rated by many but I rate him higher than most. He got Blackburn to 5th or 6th and into the UEFA cup where they did well and I've tipped Newcastle to finish 4th this season if they sign a decent striker and centre half.

Souness got that far with Duff and Dunn, then sold them both and dropped down the table. I remember the Christmas report on football365 that season for Blackburn, it went something like

Players In: <list of players including Steven Reid>
Players Out: Damien Duff, David Dunn, <other players>
What They Need: Damien Duff and David Dunn

[Dublin12]

I've tipped Newcastle to finish 4th this season if they sign a decent striker and centre half.

Didn't they sign Boumsong as their idea of a decent centre half,and Kluivert as the striker that has now departed.

[eirebhoy]

Didn't they sign Boumsong as their idea of a decent centre half,and Kluivert as the striker that has now departed.
I'm talking about in the new season. They need a new centre half to partner Boumsong and a striker to partner Shearer (ie. Keane).

[Stuttgart88]

Newcastle have been so unstable in the last few seasons that I'd have reservations about Robbie going up there. Given has expressed concern about the way things are going.

But I think they've made good signings in Parker & Emre. Some of the disruptive influences have gone (Robert & Bellamy) and Kluivert was a selfish, overrated opportunist who sadly had his finest hour against Ireland in 1995! Against Arsenal they looked cohesive and well organised but lacking someone to complement Shearer.

There's a clear opening for Robbie to partner Shearer. A regular spot at Newcastle, particularly alongside a player whose style suits him, would be better than sporadic mix & match appearances alongside Defore, Mido & Kanoute. Spurs also seem to want Kuyt(?), Feyenoord's top-scorer.

It's not a win-win move for him, but better than being unappreciated at Spurs.

I was previously optimistic that Keane would earn his place at Spurs but Jol's comments after Robbie top-scored in Asia seem to have said it all.

It'd be Spurs' loss.

[Donal81]

What were Jol's comments after the Asia tour?

[Stuttgart88]

What were Jol's comments after the Asia tour?

Something along the lines of: Robbie got 4 goals in Asia, but if Jermaine Defoe had played as many games he'd have scored 4 too.

[macdermesser]

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4199286.stm)

according to the beeb, he might still join Everton today. Seems unlikely, unless Spurs have someone lined up too as a replacement.

[macdermesser]

Mido's red card has not been rescineded, so I guess it all depends on whether they can agree a deal with that Italian striker from Livorno. Surprised Celtic haven't made a move .. as he did say he would love to play for them.

[jorge]

Mido was charged with violent conduct hopefully that will ad a couple of supenssions leaving only two strikers.
Although Jol will probably play with five in the middle seen as the have about twenty midfielders.

[Dotsy]

They signed Jenas today.

[OwlsFan]

Keane still not signed. Robbie Keane could switch to Everton, while the Londoners are considering bringing in Cristiano Lucarelli from Italian side Livorno.

[Stuttgart88]

Here's Paul Doyle's take on the above:

Everton's David Moyes, meanwhile, is after a forward who can be relied upon to bang in 25 goals a season, but may have to settle for Robbie Keane, who can normally be relied upon to perform embarrassing primary school tumbles about 12 times a season. That deal will only go through, however, if Spurs can persuade Livorno to accept an improved bid for striker Cristiano Lucarelli.

[thejollyrodger]

Here's Paul Doyle's take on the above:

Everton's David Moyes, meanwhile, is after a forward who can be relied upon to bang in 25 goals a season, but may have to settle for Robbie Keane, who can normally be relied upon to perform embarrassing primary school tumbles about 12 times a season. That deal will only go through, however, if Spurs can persuade Livorno to accept an improved bid for striker Cristiano Lucarelli.

where did you see that ? in a newspaper ??

[Stuttgart88]

where did you see that ? in a newspaper ??
http://football.guardian.co.uk/rumourmill/

[thejollyrodger]

thats bad form by the guardian :mad: its ok for us to have a go at robbie but not the english media

[ken foree]

thats bad form by the guardian :mad: its ok for us to have a go at robbie but not the english media

ah who gives a sh*t what they write. let them go and f*ck

[eirebhoy]

Here's Paul Doyle's take on the above:

Everton's David Moyes, meanwhile, is after a forward who can be relied upon to bang in 25 goals a season, but may have to settle for Robbie Keane, who can normally be relied upon to perform embarrassing primary school tumbles about 12 times a season. That deal will only go through, however, if Spurs can persuade Livorno to accept an improved bid for striker Cristiano Lucarelli.
If I saw Paul Doyle on the street I'd bloody murder him. Is he actually Irish? He gives every Irish player stick. I wrote him a long e-mail after his article on the Ireland-Israel game and the idiot hadn't the decency to reply.

paul.doyle@guardian.co.uk

[geysir]

If I saw Paul Doyle on the street I'd bloody murder him. Is he actually Irish? He gives every Irish player stick. I wrote him a long e-mail after his article on the Ireland-Israel game and the idiot hadn't the decency to reply.

paul.doyle@guardian.co.uk
The *****e use to write for the Sunday Tribune, same ****e. He inspires a much more violent reaction from me than just murder, starting with a tar and feathering.

[Anto McC]

I got slated on here before for offering my honest opinion on Robbie Keane but i will do again,I don't he is not a great player,he is a fairly average player.He is our best striker at the moment(Not too hard when that stocking of sh*te,Morrison is your biggest rival for that title) but so long as he is our best striker we will never ever,even have a chance of winning anything

[The Legend]

Well.... he's going to hammer the Irish goalscoring record by the time is done.
Granted Ireland have never produced "world class strikers", so what you're saying is a bit harsh!

[macdermesser]

I got slated on here before for offering my honest opinion on Robbie Keane but i will do again,I don't he is not a great player,he is a fairly average player.He is our best striker at the moment(Not too hard when that stocking of sh*te,Morrison is your biggest rival for that title) but so long as he is our best striker we will never ever,even have a chance of winning anything

yeah, and if we sign Henry then we could win loads of stuff.

I know that was not your point, but we're hardly all in this to expect to be winning World Cups and Euro Championships. Maybe we could fluke it some time like Greece and Denmark .. and with a bit of luck we might have got the Carlsberg Ad final last time around.

But what good does it do to be constantly getting on Keane's back, or offering "honest criticism/opinion " as a lot of Irish fans seem to be increasingly doing. He's our best striker ever .. and I know its annoying that he doesn't seem to be fulfilling the full potential he showed as a 17 year old (as in playing for one of the top 4 teams and scoring 25 goals a season) but he has done well, especially for us ... he had some bottle to take the responsibility of taking a penalty in the 90th minute to keep us in the World Cup.

Whereas I can sort of understand criticising millionaire club players, who might not be arsed sometimes making the effort and deserve criticism from the paying public, I think when it comes to your country, we should be supporters in the true sense of the word when a player is working his ****** off for the honour of his country. (not like e.g. Phil Babb's performance against Scotland in his last game for Ireland .. I'm sure there might be a couple of more)

[Green Army Girl]

[QUOTE=Anto McC]I got slated on here before for offering my honest opinion on Robbie Keane .........

Anto is totally right Robbie Keane is just a little above average thats all he ever will be. Ok so he is our top scorer but when you compare his record to any other wold class striker its below average. I know im going to get slated too but Robbie Keane will never be top class he is the best striker we have but can you see a scoreline like Republic of Ireland 8 - 0 Malta
16 November 1983 with Robbie Keane as your top striker he scores lucky jammy goals thats all i will remember him for

[macdermesser]

[QUOTE=Anto McC]I know im going to get slated too but Robbie Keane will never be top class he is the best striker we have but can you see a scoreline like Republic of Ireland 8 - 0 Malta 16 November 1983 with Robbie Keane as your top striker he scores lucky jammy goals thats all i will remember him for

If its a top class team you want to support then why don't you support Brazil? They have some top class strikers there. You'll always be in with a chance of supporting a winning team too.

As for Robbie playing in that Euro Championship qualifier in 1983, well, that would have been some feat score in that game seeing that he was about three or four at the time.

[gustavo]

you have to look at it in context , sure he might be just a little above average in english premiership but in irish terms , and i presume by green army girl that you are actually irish , then he is head and shoulders our best so why not get behind him instead of slagging him.

[Stuttgart88]

why not get behind him instead of slagging him.Because the Irish are never happy unless they're moaning about something. Connolly, Robbie, Harte, O'Shea, Kilbane and others are all wnakers because they're not world class, like we've any right to expect them all to be. And we're gonna get stuffed by the French too. I wonder does Fr. Stone post on this forum.

[Green Army Girl]

[QUOTE=macdermesser][QUOTE=Green Army Girl]

If its a top class team you want to support then why don't you support Brazil? They have some top class strikers there. You'll always be in with a chance of supporting a winning team too.

As for Robbie playing in that Euro Championship qualifier in 1983, well, that would have been some feat score in that game seeing that he was about three or four at the time.[/QUOTE



This is what is wrong with Irish people i am as big a supporter of the irish team as you are i love my team and my country and if the irish could take constructive criticism maybe we would have a better team like Brazil ;)

Obviously when i was talking about 1983 it was hypothetically speaking.