Everton and Liverpool discussion [Archive] - Page 6

4tothefloor

12/01/2005, 8:39 PM

Most big clubs don't really care too much about what it might take to win league cups though...

Yeah, thats why Chelsea and Man U have reserve teams out tonight and are not really trying to win the tie at all.... :rolleyes: Tonights game is as keenly contested a game as any Man U - Chelsea tie i've ever seen. The top 4 in England are Arsenal, Chelsea, Manu & Liverpool. Three of these are in the semi-finals. Three out of four doesn't qualify as "most" in this instance.

Great day for Everton fans today. Tommy G, as he is affectionatly known, looks like he is going to do one to Madrid! True Blue is Tommy, well we'll see how committed Mr. G is now over the next few days. I've a funny feeling he'll prove to be just as committed as that other true blue, Wayne Rooney :p Then, to cap it all off, the toffees have to watch Liverpool sign Fernando Morientes for �6m, which is the same amount of money that they paid for James Beattie - :D :D Morientes or Beattie? Morientes or Beattie? Morientes or Beattie? Mmmm, thats a tough one alright..... :p

TheJamaicanP.M. - calm down, jockser was only joking. Put away the handbag and stop being jealous

mypost

13/01/2005, 4:19 AM

Exactly, Everton and success should not be in the same sentence :)

They're not!!

Mori came for 9 million Euro, not 6.5million of monopoly money. In Ireland, like in Spain, we deal in Euros, not a nationalistic banknote.

Should be interesting to see how Morientes, Baros, and Cisse get on next season, as they can't all play at the same time. :( Hopefully Mori will be in one piece, after Gary Neville has hacked him all over our pitch on Saturday. Maybe the medical should be postponed until Monday morning!!! :D

drinkfeckarse

13/01/2005, 7:57 AM

As a member of this forum (a longer serving member than yourself) are you suggesting that Dillo does not have a right to comment on a football topic

I would say everybody (bar yourself obviously) took that as a joke, hence the stick out tongue after the remark.

jockser

13/01/2005, 10:00 AM

As a member of this forum (a longer serving member than yourself)

eh september 2004 you joined....oh look i also joined september 2004 :eek:

are you suggesting that Dillo does not have a right to comment on a football topic? If Everton had been playing last night, Im sure there would be plenty of Liverpool fans on here talking about it.
eh no the smiley at the end of it means "tongue in cheek" :rolleyes: hence meaning i was not serious in my statement but said it jokingly ....not that you seem to understand that... :p

BTW, it says a lot for Liverpool's terminal decline when they are contented with an inevitable runners-up spot in the league cup.

now this is just funny :D :D

4tothefloor

13/01/2005, 11:50 PM

:D :D

The things Lpool fans will do for a place at the top table.

Sorry, but the top 3 in England are ManU, Chelsea and Arsenal. Lpool are nowhere near that group and to pretend there's some kind of 'top 4' whereby Lpool are somehow in the same league as the other three is just funny.

No, there is a top 4, that's why there are FOUR champions league places, not 3, FOUR. The cut-off is from 4th place down. In case you haven't noticed, teams that finish third and fourth basically both finish up with the same qualification, as both have to pre-qualify for the CL.

I'll tell you whats funny though, Mr. Sainsbury deciding to give the sheep two fingers today! Enjoy the mediocrity of the coco-pops championship, 'cos you're going to be watching it for a long, long time yet :D :D

jockser

14/01/2005, 8:53 AM

I don't think a Pool fan can comment about takeovers at any other club. Last time I checked, some property developer pulled out of a deal. Before that, I understand it was the poor people of Thailand who were going to be paying up for multimillionaire footballers on Merseyside, I presume they'll have to wait a respectful time after the disaster before trying that avenue again...

dont let youre lack of knowledge on the LFC take over bid let you down mate ;)

drinkfeckarse

14/01/2005, 10:07 AM

But getting back to the actual thread, I understand Merseyside is set to lose their best midfielder, with Graveson looking to Real.

:D :D :D Not wanting to go over old ground Conor but that's funny.

razor

14/01/2005, 10:12 AM

I understand Merseyside is set to lose their best midfielder, with Graveson looking to Real.
I'm sure our Jase won't mind filling the top spot here once Gravesen leaves ;)

jockser

14/01/2005, 12:11 PM

Steven Gerrard.... Player of the month for December after coming back from 2 month injury....no surprise there then.....

Gravesen another true blue gone..... snigger :D

Dillo

14/01/2005, 4:32 PM

A sad day for Everton football club. Tommy G always gave 100% to the cause and wore the blue jersey with distinction and pride. As a player he is the complete package in my view. His loss will be colossal and his absence is sure to hit the toffees hard. The highly ambitious man that he is, his future with Everton was always in doubt and his imminent departure was no real surprise to Evertonians. At two million Real have a real gem on their hands. He's worth ten times that in my opinion. Football really is a cruel game and at the end of the day money is the be all and end all. Chelsea's success proves this. I for one wish Grav all the best at the Bernabeu. Thanks for the memories Tommy.

TheJamaicanP.M.

14/01/2005, 5:11 PM

As a player he is the complete package in my view.

Is he not the complete package as a man Dillo? Is he missing anything do you think? :D

Dillo

14/01/2005, 5:21 PM

Missing a bit of gruaig and a few other things I suppose! How he'll compete with the likes of Figo, Becks and Raul is beyong me. :o

TheJamaicanP.M.

14/01/2005, 5:27 PM

Maybe Tommy Grav felt the competition was becoming too stiff on Merseyside with the recent arrivals of James Beattie and Morientes. However, I would have thought that leaving Merseyside for Madrid is like going from the firepan into the fire.

4tothefloor

14/01/2005, 7:04 PM

I presume they'll have to wait a respectful time after the disaster before trying that avenue again...

You've outdone yourself again with yet another stupid reply :rolleyes:

Liverpool won't be taken over until somebody comes in with a bid that will
(a) Buy out David Moores shares, at their full value, and
(b) In addition, invest enough money in the club that will gaurantee the new stadium being built, and in the transfer market to allow Benitez compete with Chelsea & Man U.

With (b) alone, you're looking at �60m - �80m, at least. David Moores shares are said to be worth anything from �60m - �100m. Essentially, it's a double investment initially, as Moores has to be bought out, in addition to the actual investment in the club. On top of that, there is a third investment, that of the new Anfield.

The Thai deal was never a takeover. It was an investment of �60m, in return for a 30% stake in the club, plus board representation. Liverpool weren't prepared to sanction the latter, so thats why it went tits up. Steve Morgan did try to launch a takeover, but his bid only values the club at a ridiculous �80m, while his share issue plan screws David Moores. The thing is, Liverpool FC have a good board who will only do a deal that is 100% right for the club. Unlike Leeds Utd, who were, and still are, a laughing stock.

Gary

14/01/2005, 8:33 PM

mypost

15/01/2005, 2:59 AM

Yet again, it's time to battle for North-West pride, as Liverpool and "someone from Manchester" :D do battle in front of a worldwide audience of millions. The kick-off time wil obviously suit Japanese Prime-time tv!!

With our opponents coming here on the back of 3 straight 0-0 draws, against our 5 wins from the last 6 games, together with our impressive home form, and an added weapon in Fernando Morientes, we should stroll it in theory. :D If only! :rolleyes:

Our record against them is bad lately, having lost the last 2 home league games to them 1-2. To cut a long story short: If we play like we did against Arsenal, we'll win, but if we play like against Watford, we may not.

This weekend is the 8th anniversary of Jamie Carragher's league debut, a 3-0 win at home to Villa, in which he scored. Just a reminder Jamie: If you score today, make sure it's at the right end!! Good luck lads. ;)

Dillo

15/01/2005, 8:38 AM

In my opinion, Everton cashing in on Graveson now shows exactly how high their ambition is.

Losing a player like him, who has been so pivotal to their success so far this season, is a hammer blow to their aspirations of a CL/UEFA placing come May.

Surely if Everton had any ambition, they would have held onto their best player and keep them with a realistic chance of CL, where Im sure they would earn more than �2m, not to mention being able to attract better quality players, and make inroads to good squad development forging a way for them to be perenial CL qualification contenders arther than perenial relegation material.

If I were an Everton fan, I would be sick at this news.

Everton done all their power to hold on to Gravesen. He had a great relationship with Moyes but it's not everyday a club like Real Madrid come knocking on your door. Moyes wasn't going to stand in his way. There's no doubt his loss is a hammer blow. He was Everton's best and most consistent performer for a long time and the news is devastating to say the least. Having said that after Rooney's departure a lot of people tipped the toffees for relegation. Instead his loss seemed to galvanise the squad and they're now sitting high in fourth place. However I cannot see Grav's absence having the same impact on the team and unfortunately I'm predicting a dramatic slide down the ladder... :(

4tothefloor

15/01/2005, 2:01 PM

Very disappointed with the performance today. Too many passengers and error prone players in the side. Hamann was absolutely useless, and proved right what a lot of people have been saying this season - he's finished at this level. As a result, Gerrard was trying to do the job of 2 men today, and against the likes of Keane and Scholes, that just isn't possible. An average display from Gerrard, but then again he's not superman. **** Frank Lampard for putting Alonso out anyway, what a difference he would have made today. I want to see Alou Diarra back at Anfileld next season, he's out on loan and a far better player than Hamann at this stage.

As for the rest, Garcia was his usual $hit self again today. Wasteful at every oppertunity, not strong enough on the ball, and selfish when in good positions. Not good enough basically. Then we have Dudek who is a walking disaster. He's been Man U's most effective player at Anfield for three years on the trot now, conceding comical goals at times when Liverpool are well on top in the game. Hopefully the useless **** will be shown the door in May.

Thought Carragher & Baros had good games. Morientes looked good, and given time will be a deadly striker.

Dillo

15/01/2005, 2:29 PM

About time you saw the light Limerick man. You red sh!te are going nowhere fast. Played pathetic football in yer own back yard again today against an understrength Man Ure side (and I'm not defending those shower!). It's true what they say- Jerzy is the pole in the goal :p ! He's a joke. Use couldn't conjure up one single clear cut chance in the entire game and failed to capitalise on the numerical advantage for the last twenty mins. Gerard continues to play his dramatic style and for some reason finds it really difficult to make a simple pass. No denying that Keane won the midfield battle fair and square today. Hamann on the other hand is as slow as bad caster oil! Baros (although probably yer best player today) is like a headless chicken. Liverpool to me look like a team doomed to failure. They lack belief and leadership and play very predictable football. The bottom line reads they're just not good enough! :rolleyes:

Gary

15/01/2005, 2:31 PM

Liverpool were out-thought and out fought.

Didi Hamann probably had his worst ever game today, but to say he is past it is short sighted, and to be fair - a typical barstool slogan.

Garcia worked hard today, but didnt get the rub. If only he had pulled that ball back at the death!

Carragher was outstanding, as was Baros, and Hyppia. I was surprised to see Riise get subbed. I thought Traore was very effective, best game he has played yet for Liverpool (amzingly today was his 100th appearance fro Lpool!).

Morientes looked rusty.

Liverpool are a poor team. Benitez has a lot of work to do to clear the dross he inherited, and create his own team. That said, he should try start signing a few Englishmen now though.

The Green Hen

15/01/2005, 3:18 PM

Its about time you useless scousers faced up to the fact that nobody likes ye and ye are cr*p...I have heard nothing only excuses about how ye are rebuilding a team since ye last won something decent...and no, the Europen 'Special' Cup known to some of ye as the Uefa Cup doesnt count.

Today, you played a Manchester Utd team in your own back garden and not for the first time, you blame Lampard for Alonso not being there and these other 'passengers' who, if you hadnt played Man Utd today and LOST would be superstars!!Traore...Carragher...Nunez...Pongolle (where did they get him out of?)...Hamann...Riise...Josemi (they call him "the Spanish Carragher- poor fella!)...Dudek...the list goes on my old friends.

Man U controlled the game from beginning to end. Even playing the last 20 mins or so with 10 men, Liverpool couldnt create a clearcut chance. Mr Morientes had one chance- narrowly missing some fan in the back row of the stand waving his scarf over her head and singing "Youll never walk alone"....for what I wonder?? When Liverpool were reduced to driving a few Garry Owens in the latter stages of the match...this fan fortunate to still be alive, thought it better to leave the ground...he didnt walk alone might I add.

I have even noticed one or two 'pool fans shouting their heart out for Chelsea, Arsenal or any other team that can give Utd a game in the hope of Utd slipping up against them....how sad to be reduced to this.

Man U...just incase anyone is not aware took to the field today without several first choice players- Van Nistlerooy, Giggs, Smith, Rio, Garry Neville. They even had to sacrifice Ronaldo's sublime skill when Brown was shown Red...much to Djimi's delight as he was beginning to look dizzy chasing shadows.
Rooney drove home from 20 yards and celebrated in front of the Kop....I must admit that brought a tear to my 3 eyes ;)
Keano let fly on the volley, again leaving Dudek grasping at air, smashing against the cross bar in what would have been a contender for goal of the season without doubt. His tackling in the centre of the park was what we have come to expect of this genuine midfield general...call him what you like, hes a Legend. Perhaps some fine day Gerrard and Lampard might be half the player Keane is.....if they reach that potential wont they be pretty fine players?
All in all, the only person that actually gained something from todays game would be Gerrard who would have felt priviledged gracing the same field as Roy.

So what now for Liverpool you might ask? Well they appear to be going all out to take home the Carling Cup...fielding a full strength team in their lucky 1-0 home win against Watford. They have now added to their squad in a bid to obtain what is surely their only genuine attempt of silverware this season.
We will be all rooting for you in the 2nd leg against Watford as you cling on to your 1-0 advantage.

All the Best,
The Green Hen

DolansWaistcoat

15/01/2005, 11:05 PM

What a fcukin disgrace it was with some one in the Kop throwing a phone at fatty Rooney after his 'rocket' that left Dudek with no chance. :rolleyes: :D
A waste of perfectly good phone imo and he didn't even hit the fat scumbag.I hope he got it back after the game. ;) I'm only messing,I would never condone fans throwing things at players at any time.Rooney went over the top with his celebrations though and could have caused a lot of trouble.I suppose you could hardly expect the fat lad to run all the way to the utd fans to celebrate. :eek: :D

As for the game,utd deserved the win with Keano brilliant as usual and Scholes back to his best.Gerrard was poor by his standards and Carragher and Hypia were class.Morishowed he can be a great striker again when he gets back to match fitness and gets used to the english league.Garcia is a head wrecking player who wastes so much of the ball it's not even funny,needs to improve dramatically.

mypost

16/01/2005, 6:32 AM

The game was rubbish yesterday. Hardly surprising with two bad teams playing. The weather was good, but the ball bobbled up everywhere on a pudding pitch, and few chances were created. I thought we deserved a point though. They scored after their favourite keeper refused to save the tame shot. Yer man should have been booked for inciting crowd trouble with his celebration, but when you play for them, everything goes your way!! :mad:

They came looking for a point, they only had two shots on our goal. The goal changed the course of the game, during our best spell, and made us lose all our momentum. A miserable game and a miserable result. :mad:

2 home defeats so far this year, with 4 away games on the bounce to come. Happy New Year! :mad:

4tothefloor

16/01/2005, 5:50 PM

About time you saw the light Limerick man.

What light? All you keep ranting on about is how Everton are going to finish above Liverpool, and "Merseyside is now Moyseyside". No they won't, and no it's not. I watched Everton today, and yet again they were $hit. They play $hit football, route one football, based on defense and packing the midfield. And you're on about Liverpool playing poor football?! Is Moyes Houllier in disguise by any chance?

Didi Hamann probably had his worst ever game today, but to say he is past it is short sighted, and to be fair - a typical barstool slogan.

Since the start of the season, I've seen about 90% of Liverpool's games live. Apart from the first few games of the season, Hamann has been well below average. In fact, he's been awful. He doesn't have the legs to command the midfield area anymore. I'm not the only one who has noticed this. Hamann has only been mildly effective this season when BOTH Alonso & Gerrard have been in the same midfield as him, thus easing his workload. He's been rubbish since Alonso's injury. Did you not see him against Watford? Or are you another one of these football experts that judges players on their reputations rather than their current form, in the here and now?

Secondly, I'm not a barstooler. I watch most of the games at home. Maybe I'm a homestooler? :confused:

Garcia worked hard today, but didnt get the rub. If only he had pulled that ball back at the death!

That's Garcias problem - If only. If only = Mediocre. He had 3 or 4 major if only's in the game, and got all of them wrong. If only he could control the ball and not give it away 150 times per game, that'd be a start. He's basically a poor mans Pablo Aimar, a player to be brought on rather than start a game IMO.

Dillo

17/01/2005, 9:03 AM

Our first game minus the services of Tommy G and we coped much better than I anticipated. Deserved to take all three points without a shadow of a doubt. Played some great football and it really was tough luck on both Carsley and Beattie hitting the bar and post respectively. Bent displayed some excellent ball control and ran tirelessly for the 90 minutes. Bringing on Big Dunc proved dividends on Moyes's part and he was unlucky not to hit the winner. I don't like Boro and I think they're really overachieving at the moment. They're a team of big names but lack any kind of fluency in their play. The Riverside is like a morgue. Hasselbaink is an upstart and was very lucky Stubbs didn't deck him yesterday. Pool now lagging seven points behind the toffees and the future still appears to be rosy on the blue half! ;)

4tothefloor

17/01/2005, 6:28 PM

Bringing on Big Dunc proved dividends on Moyes's part and he was unlucky not to hit the winner.

He hit Zenden and a few Boro players though, which to Big Drunk, sorry, Dunc, is a man-of-the-match performance

DolansWaistcoat

18/01/2005, 6:20 AM

I don't like Boro and I think they're really overachieving at the moment.

hahaha

The aul 'pot and kettle' saying comes into play here. :rolleyes: :D

If you substitute the word Boro for Everton then that would be a statement with a bit more truth for most of the ppl who post post on this thread. :D

barglee

18/01/2005, 10:39 AM

.
Well they appear to be going all out to take home the Carling Cup...fielding a full strength team in their lucky 1-0 home win against Watford. T

Well 1-0 V Watford is a lot more impressive than 0-0 V Exeter...

MU Tw*t

jockser

18/01/2005, 2:48 PM

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You completely missed the point. It had nothing to do with the structure of the proposal. I don't care if the Thai deal was a takeover, an investment or a gift. There were huge question marks about the ethics of taking money from the Thai people for the sake of overpaid footballers and success on a football field which, let's face it, is pretty trivial stuff compared to the hardships endured by the Thai people on a daily basis.

what the hell is this fella on about now??? :rolleyes:

if anyone wants to INVEST (invest usually means putting money in and getting more out in the long term) they can put a bid forward just like in any other business on this planet.....thai people must'nt be allowed to invest in anything coz of their hardships??? Crazy talk!!!

by the way no bid from ANYONE has been accepted by LFC

jockser

18/01/2005, 4:22 PM

It's very very easy stuff really. I never said anything about Thai people not being allowed to invest. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Clubs are open to questions about the source of their funding. You may well find the prospect of the Thai government pumping millions into football while people starve and they have questionmarks about their human rights record grand, that's your choice. Many people would have concerns about such a proposition. In the same manner, people may have concerns about where Roman Abramovich gets his money and are perfectly entitled to question that.

would help if you made any sense but basically what you are trying to do is somehow link Liverpool to exploiting starving people....sad :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dillo

18/01/2005, 5:39 PM

hahaha

The aul 'pot and kettle' saying comes into play here. :rolleyes: :D

If you substitute the word Boro for Everton then that would be a statement with a bit more truth for most of the ppl who post post on this thread. :D

Would you quit like a good l@nger! The toffees are riding high and they're there on merit. Begrudgers like you don't belong on this thread. :cool:

Gary

18/01/2005, 9:20 PM

Well, what about tonights result?

Surely this is a low?

I have no idea why Benitez felt he could rest most of his 1st team. Lets be honest, even Liverpools first team is little better than a first division side at the moment.

Great OG by Traore! What the hell was he thinking?

4tothefloor

18/01/2005, 9:34 PM

There were huge question marks about the ethics of taking money from the Thai people for the sake of overpaid footballers and success on a football field which, let's face it, is pretty trivial stuff compared to the hardships endured by the Thai people on a daily basis.

You see, you haven't a clue what you're on about.

As soon as Liverpool became aware of, and had it confirmed, that Shinawatra intended to invest tax payers money in the club (and in turn issue share certificates to the thai people who would buy the shares), they pulled the plug straight away. Shinawatra's proposal was then taken over by Asia's biggest record company, MGM, or whatever they are called, but that too was vetoed. "The ethics of taking money from the Thai people" IS WHY Liverpool threw the deal out as soon as they realised how Shinawatra planned to fund it, so yet again, I really, like a lot of others on here, don't know what you're on about. I missed your point? What point, when you can't even get the facts right?! :rolleyes:

This is my point about you being a wind up merchant and talking rubbish all the time...

Well, what about tonights result?

Surely this is a low?

I have no idea why Benitez felt he could rest most of his 1st team. Lets be honest, even Liverpools first team is little better than a first division side at the moment.

Great OG by Traore! What the hell was he thinking?

Yep, it is a low, but not in a gutted way. Team selection was a disgrace, away to a side only just off the pace of the championship play-offs, so it's not a major surprise. Before the game Benitez basically said that the FA Cup was last in his list of priorities, and the team reflected that. The performance did too. Disappointed in the way he treated the FA Cup to be honest, but then again he doesn't want anymore injuries. It depends which way you look at it.

The young players played fine tonight, I thought they did well and tried hard, but the team was just too inexperienced. It was the so called more senior players that were a disgrace tonight. Hyypia was poor, but Traore/Biscan't/Nunez & Pongolle were utter rubbish. Baros put them to shame when he came on and played his heart out. If anything good is to come out of this, hopefully it will be Benitez realising that the above mentioned players, Hyypia apart, are just not Liverpool standard. We've gotton rid of one dud in Diao today, it's time to ship out 5 or 6 more asap.

razor

19/01/2005, 8:06 AM

Are Liverpool still the only club to receive a fine for 'tapping up'?

No (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/4181861.stm)

Gary

19/01/2005, 8:17 AM

Wheres Diao gone?

I think Pongolle is a good player. Once he finds his feet, he will be great.

Traore isnt as bad as people make out, but he certainly isnt a player worth his place in a team chasing CL qualification.

razor

19/01/2005, 8:38 AM

Villa were not fined, so my comment is still valid...but only just about...
Yes your comment is valid but you know as well as I do that every club has a bit of that going on.
For Dave to come out yesterday with
"For me to be on a charge for this when I see what goes on in the game is an absolute disgrace," said O'Leary.
i mean "shady dealings" and football go hand in hand , don't they ?

Wheres Diao gone?
Brum on loan for the rest of the season.

Dillo

19/01/2005, 8:55 AM

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIVERPOOL AND A T-BAG?

A T-BAG STAYS LONGER IN THE CUP! :o

What a sad and useless bunch! Feel sorry for ye at this stage. Some finish from Djimi Traore, turned 270 degrees and produced a wonderful flick past a hapless Dudek. Reminded me of Kanu's goal for Arsenal against Boro a couple of seasons back- only difference being Kanu scored for his own club. Judging by the highlights Burnley fully deserved their victory too. Benitez's post match interview was comical to say the least. What the hell was he on about??

Roll on Sunderland at Goodison! ;)

4tothefloor

19/01/2005, 11:34 AM

Funny, because the reports I read indicated that it was the Thai investors who pulled out because of controversy, and not the Liverpool board who stalled the talks.

Get us a link to these 'reports' that you read so, from legitimate sources of course. I'd certainly like to see them

You sure you aren't allowing your hatred of all things Kerry influence you again?

No, just your stupidity

drinkfeckarse

19/01/2005, 12:26 PM

I was going to post this earlier but didn't really want to get drawn up in this but here goes...

Conor, you talk about Liverpool basically robbing food from the mouths of the Thai people if that deal had went ahead.

Considering the Government was going to fund the deal by introducing a lottery then where is your logic to this?

To me, whether it's a poor nation or not, people would still have the right NOT to buy a lottery ticket. If they did buy one then they are taking their chances like the rest of us do with our own respective lotteries.

To me, only the people who could afford to buy a ticket would do so, so I don't see how that would be a big deal at all :confused:

drinkfeckarse

19/01/2005, 12:37 PM

razor

19/01/2005, 12:41 PM

I see your point but really, we could say that about nearly every country.
all except giving it to the GAA. ;)

4tothefloor

19/01/2005, 6:10 PM

I see that the editor of a Liverpool fanzine expressed concerns in that article too. Presumably Jockser and 4tothefloor would have dismissed his view as 'crazy talk' and someone who didn't know the facts like they did.

But we know all that already! :rolleyes: Did you not read my initial reply? I'll say it again. As SOON as Liverpool FC became aware of the Shinawatras plans, they PULLED OUT. There was a lot of stuff in the papers, including a lot of scare mongering, before Liverpool pulled out of the deal. Considering that the majority of the papers are 90% rubbish-talk and 10% fact (thats being generous), Liverpool obviously had to look into what the Thai's were actually offering before they made any decision. When it was confirmed as government money, they pulled out. Then the Thais came back with this lottery thing, but Liverpool were not interested in that either. It's the Thais who were desperate to invest, not Liverpool desperate for the Thais. It was after this that the Thai record company became involved.

At no point could Liverpool FC be accused of bad ethics, or taking from the poor. That's just laughable. How about Man U being reprimanded for being involved in a cartel that controls the price of football shirts, remember that? Now that's bad ethics. Pulling out of a deal that is not right ethically, that's good ethics - see the difference?

In any case, there were a few fan protests because the local fans did not want foreign investors having a say in the club from as far as Thailand, so it was never going to happen either way.

razor

20/01/2005, 8:16 AM

or one could question what Roman exactly did to make billions when most in his country struggle to get by.
BBC2 tonight @ 9.50, there is a documentary Sweeney Investigates about how Roman made his billions.

jockser

20/01/2005, 9:21 AM

The lottery was one issue - I think the objections would have been along the lines of money raised allowed to leak out of the country when it could have gone to much better causes there.

But Amnesty opposed any dealings with Shinawatra on a much more fundamental basis - because of his appalling human rights record.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football.cfm?id=537592004

I see that the editor of a Liverpool fanzine expressed concerns in that article too. Presumably Jockser and 4tothefloor would have dismissed his view as 'crazy talk' and someone who didn't know the facts like they did.

LOL look lad what is it exactly you are trying to put liverpool down with?? Dodgy dealings?? taking money from the starving?? being a one man team? will ya make your mind up? Coz it looks like you wont be happy till you get it all out of your system even though every one of your arguments are hilarious and without substance we all do enjoy your rants!!!....really!!! :D