Everton and Liverpool discussion

[sligoman]

and liverpool finished off boro nicely ............... oh no wait they stumbled and stalled in the prem yet again !!

but hey look at the league table it the first time liverpool have been above everton in 11 months !! :D :DIn case you misunderstood me, I'm not a Liverpool fan so that doesn't bother me,:p.

[sligoman]

Everton out, more money for the reds...... :DLosing to CSKA Sofia, oh ya ye really deserve more money :rolleyes: :D

[CollegeTillIDie]

Losing to CSKA Sofia, oh ya ye really deserve more money :rolleyes: :D

If CSKA Sofia had been a bit more like that in the First Leg they would have gone through!

[Dotsy]

If CSKA Sofia had been a bit more like that in the First Leg they would have gone through!

If Liverpool had to win the match on Tuesday they would have played their strongest team from the start and I believe won the match comfortably.

Hard luck to Everton last night. Ferguson had a perfectly good goal disallowed with 10/15 minutes to go. They played very well in the second half and 2-1 to Everton would have been a fairer result over 90 minutes.

[ciaran76]

If Liverpool had to win the match on Tuesday they would have played their strongest team from the start and I believe won the match comfortably.

Hard luck to Everton last night. Ferguson had a perfectly good goal disallowed with 10/15 minutes to go. They played very well in the second half and 2-1 to Everton would have been a fairer result over 90 minutes.


Yeah it was hard luck for Everton but they lost the game in the first leg. Should never had let 2 goals in at home. Maybe in hindsight it will be better for them to be playing UEFA and not Champs. League with the size of their squad. ;)

[padzer]

Tough sh!te Everton.

Im absolutely made up for them, especially that scumbag Duncan Disorderly, that 'goal' being disallowed was a masterstroke by Collina.

They deserved it, they are just a pack of one trick ponies, long ball specialists - reminds me so much of Sh€l$.

[anto1208]

Yeah it was hard luck for Everton but they lost the game in the first leg. Should never had let 2 goals in at home. Maybe in hindsight it will be better for them to be playing UEFA and not Champs. League with the size of their squad. ;)

robbed ,i dont think i could watch too much europeen footy what a bunch of girls , you cant tip of them with out giving away a free , but then for some reason when they hold you back in the box its a free out !! ill never understand that decision , also ozzy geting caught in a head lock why no penalty if the ref is that strict .

looking at the possitive bar a terrible ref we should have won 2-1 which is not bad against the 3rd best team in spain on out first outing into europe

still there is allways next year , allthough i think spurs could push us all the way for 4th they have a good squad put together , there isnt really anyone else th at will trouble us

[Dublin12]

It was tough on Everton alright but do you think Moyes has taken the team as far as he can?,maybe Martin O'Neill could have a job there next Summer with Moyes moving up to Celtic. :confused:

[drinkfeckarse]

still there is allways next year , allthough i think spurs could push us all the way for 4th they have a good squad put together , there isnt really anyone else th at will trouble us

:D :D :D I'll tell you what Anto, if Everton finish 4th again this year (or higher) I'll give you £100 and that's straight up. Hand on heart I think Everton will finish around the 7th to 10th mark.

[anto1208]

It was tough on Everton alright but do you think Moyes has taken the team as far as he can?,maybe Martin O'Neill could have a job there next Summer with Moyes moving up to Celtic. :confused:

no way moyes has his 5 year plan to get everton back in with the big boys , half way through and its looking good , he is going for better players now aswell but at the start we were looking at 1 mill pound players like kilbane , and loan deals but now we are bringing in players worth around the 5 mill mark , per 5 mill beattie 7 mill davies 4 mill neville 3.5 ferrari ( will cost 4 mill next summer), we have spent 20 mill since xmas and we are still making offers of 10 mill for players like kuyt and owen looking for that 20 goal striker .

moyes will see out his contract then take over utd if he hasnt made everton just as big ( football wise not selling pencil cases to chinese kids wise) but thats not for years yet

[anto1208]

:D :D :D I'll tell you what Anto, if Everton finish 4th again this year (or higher) I'll give you £100 and that's straight up. Hand on heart I think Everton will finish around the 7th to 10th mark.

its in writting now and thats a £ sign i see not a euro one so i want it in sterling :D mmmmmm how will i spend my money ;)

seriously a top 6 finish id be very very happy with , but looking at us so far 4 though games
utd : very unlucky hit the bar and a stupid pass back gifted it to them .
villa real : two goals either side of half time killed the game for us
bolton : the thoughest place to go in the prem and we took all 3 points not many will do that
villa again : we should have won it fair and square but for a silly ref , but showed we can cut it against a top europeen side .

roll on fulham , pompy and west ham and wigan & we get our points rolling in early again .( i wont mention arsenal they tear us apart again they allways do )

[ciaran76]

It was tough on Everton alright but do you think Moyes has taken the team as far as he can?,maybe Martin O'Neill could have a job there next Summer with Moyes moving up to Celtic. :confused:

Don't mention the C word !!! :p :p

[drinkfeckarse]

its in writting now and thats a £ sign i see not a euro one so i want it in sterling :D mmmmmm how will i spend my money ;)



Don't worry I always pay my bets. It was a great result for them at Bolton because like you said, not a lot of teams will win there. If they get a bit of momentum going early doors again I'll probably start to get a bit nervous but I'm quietly confident that 4th would be too tall an order for them again.

[anto1208]

Don't worry I always pay my bets. It was a great result for them at Bolton because like you said, not a lot of teams will win there. If they get a bit of momentum going early doors again I'll probably start to get a bit nervous but I'm quietly confident that 4th would be too tall an order for them again.

but again this year there isnt any clear favourite , newcastle !! not a hope even if they get owen , spurs maybe depends how they gel , liverpool look like they will stutter and stall again this year nil nil with boro a mid table team and barely beat 10 man sunderland they will be there or there about unless they get owen , if he comes back they could push on for 3rd

[anto1208]

take note liverpool fans this is how to behave on your travels

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/index.php?page_id=7354

now there is no need to have a petition to get any everton fans out of jail for attempted murder

[jockser]

take note liverpool fans this is how to behave on your travels

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/index.php?page_id=7354

now there is no need to have a petition to get any everton fans out of jail for attempted murder

are you refering to Michael shields who is in prison in Bulgaria for a crime committed by Shanks who admitted to the crime and is an everton fan?

[CollegeTillIDie]

Blast from the past... September 1984

Everton fans travelled in numbers to Dublin for the game with UCD. After the 0-0 draw in the first Leg. They were well behaved in Dublin in general and both inside and outside Tolka Park.In fact they were no trouble at all in Ireland. On the ferry back to Liverpool they started a fight amongst themselves. Several were arrested and handed over to Merseyside Police when the ferry docked.

[4tothefloor]

seriously a top 6 finish id be very very happy with , but looking at us so far 4 though games
utd : very unlucky hit the bar and a stupid pass back gifted it to them .
villa real : two goals either side of half time killed the game for us
bolton : the thoughest place to go in the prem and we took all 3 points not many will do that
villa again : we should have won it fair and square but for a silly ref , but showed we can cut it against a top europeen side .
Ifs, buts, maybe's......I remember you having a go at us Liverpool fans for this at the beginning of this thread last season. Oh how the mighty have fallen :p You'll be doing a lot of it this season I'd say.

[Dotsy]

take note liverpool fans this is how to behave on your travels

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/index.php?page_id=7354

now there is no need to have a petition to get any everton fans out of jail for attempted murder

Well done Everton ;) . One european away trip and their fans behave well. I don't remember any serious trouble at any of Liverpool's seven away games in last year's competition or this years three away games. The incident with the fan you refer to happenend in Bulgaria not Istanbul and as Jockser pointed out another non Liverpool fan has admitted to it.

[anto1208]

Well done Everton ;) . One european away trip and their fans behave well. I don't remember any serious trouble at any of Liverpool's seven away games in last year's competition or this years three away games. The incident with the fan you refer to happenend in Bulgaria not Istanbul and as Jockser pointed out another non Liverpool fan has admitted to it.

he was in bulgaria on his way back from the final , loads of eye wittnesses and even the bar man identified him , but wait his evidence to proove his innocence is that he was asleep at 10 pm on his hols !! you are having a laugh . and that his mate who can now not be prosecuted in any way for this crime has suddenly admitted it mmmmmmmmmmm all sounds a bit fishy to me ,
bet ye think those guys in columbia were nt up to no good either !!

[Dotsy]

I know he was in Bulgaria after been in Istanbul, so what. It was an isolated incident (assuming he did it). If an Everton fan who was in Spain gets into bother while say stopping off in London for a day or two would you class that as Everton fans causing trouble at the away match. I wouldn't, so the incident in Bulgaria is irrelvant in the contact of this discussion.

[anto1208]

I know he was in Bulgaria after been in Istanbul, so what. It was an isolated incident (assuming he did it). If an Everton fan who was in Spain gets into bother while say stopping off in London for a day or two would you class that as Everton fans causing trouble at the away match. I wouldn't, so the incident in Bulgaria is irrelvant in the contact of this discussion.

yes , if they get in trouble travelling to the game at the game or travelling home form the game then yes.

i would say no if it was just him in a fight these things happen but it wasnt , it was a group of liverpool fans travelling back from the game that started trouble , either he or his mate threw a paving slab at a bar man that has been left dissabled with a wife and young daughter , i dont see any pettition to help this guy out since he cant work ever again thanks to these liverpool fans causeing trouble .

but this is getting off point so im stopping now before the dictators that run this place shut the thread

[jockser]

yes , if they get in trouble travelling to the game at the game or travelling home form the game then yes.

i would say no if it was just him in a fight these things happen but it wasnt , it was a group of liverpool fans travelling back from the game that started trouble , either he or his mate threw a paving slab at a bar man that has been left dissabled with a wife and young daughter , i dont see any pettition to help this guy out since he cant work ever again thanks to these liverpool fans causeing trouble .

but this is getting off point so im stopping now before the dictators that run this place shut the thread

You are so wrong about everything here! Michael Shield has a 15 year Jail sentence. Sankey admitted to the crime but the court refused to take that on board. Sankey is NOT a liverpool fan(actually he is an everton fan but thats irrelevent). Lets stop talking about this sensitive subject especially since no body here has a clue what exactly happened.
You can read Sankey confession here http://www.freemichaelshields.org/ and click on "The Case"

[sligoman]

http://www.freemichaelshields.org/That website is weird. You cant read half the stuff cos there's more writing over it:rolleyes: :mad:.

[Dotsy]

yes , if they get in trouble travelling to the game at the game or travelling home form the game then yes.

i would say no if it was just him in a fight these things happen but it wasnt , it was a group of liverpool fans travelling back from the game that started trouble , either he or his mate threw a paving slab at a bar man that has been left dissabled with a wife and young daughter , i dont see any pettition to help this guy out since he cant work ever again thanks to these liverpool fans causeing trouble .

but this is getting off point so im stopping now before the dictators that run this place shut the thread

We can agree to disagree :)

[anto1208]

We can agree to disagree :)

im not agreeing to that :D :D :D

[4tothefloor]

You are so wrong about everything here! Michael Shield has a 15 year Jail sentence. Sankey admitted to the crime but the court refused to take that on board. Sankey is NOT a liverpool fan(actually he is an everton fan but thats irrelevent). Lets stop talking about this sensitive subject especially since no body here has a clue what exactly happened.
You can read Sankey confession here http://www.freemichaelshields.org/ and click on "The Case"

You should go into the Liverpoolfc.tv boards and read the long thread about Michael Shields. It offers a very good case for why he DID do it. I'm not saying he did it, but there is more to this than meets the eye. I think anyone here posting about this case should read and learn the facts first instead of typing ill informed views based on the English media and an emotional campaign to free him. And obviously if you go to a Michael Shields site, you are going to get a biased view. It's a very interesting case...

[sligoman]

You should go into the Liverpoolfc.tv boards and read the long thread about Michael Shields.Got a link? :confused:

[4tothefloor]

Got a link? :confused:
I can't find the thread that details the facts of the case. Most likely deleted (happens a lot on LFC forums, over moderated). Only one I can find is this one (http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/Forum3/HTML/468807.html). It gives a fair idea anyway of why Shields is probably guilty and how the image of him being portrayed as an 'innocent gentle giant' etc is a load of BS really. You'll find that a lot of Liverpool fans, and Scousers especially, are supporting him blindly when in fact he is 99% the person that did it. His case for defense is non-existant and is made up of half-truths, inconsistencies and lies. The other thread I read a few weeks ago is far better but I can't find the bloody thing.

I believe he did it and that they have the right man. The British media have realised it too because they have cooled off completely from highlighting his case....

EDIT: Thread has been deleted from Liverpool forums, but will try to get an archived link tomorrow from one of the admins. Found the Original article that was the topic of that thread though. Source is here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/07/nshield07.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/08/07/ixhome.html). It's a Daily Telegraph article. I'll post the article below, might have to break it into two posts as it is quite long.

[4tothefloor]

This is the article:

Innocent, gentle giant? Or remorseless thug guilty of attempted murder?
By Daniel Foggo
(Filed: 07/08/2005)

There are posters all across Liverpool plastered on community centres, shops and pubs, peeking out from sitting-room windows up and down the grimy terraced streets. "Innocent", shouts the bold lettering above a photograph of puppy-faced Michael Shields. "This young man is being accused of a crime he did not commit," insist the posters, published by his family. "Please come forward and help."


Michael Shields in his prison cell in Bulagaria. He claims he was asleep in his hotel at the time of the attack

Since this emotive appeal was printed more than a month ago, Shields, an 18-year-old engineering student from Liverpool's Edge Hill area, has been convicted by a court in Bulgaria of attempting to murder a local fish-and-chip shop worker. Shields, an ardent Liverpool FC fan who was staying in Bulgaria with friends after watching his team win the European Cup in Istanbul, is said to have smashed a paving slab into the head of Martin Georgiev during a drunken fracas at the Black Sea resort of Golden Sands. Mr Georgiev, who suffered significant brain damage after his skull was broken open during the attack, is now unable to work. The court sentenced Shields to 15 years in prison.

In answer to the posters, someone did indeed come forward to help, but to no avail. It was announced during the trial that Graham Sankey, a fellow Liverpool FC fan and apparently a stranger to Shields, had confessed in writing to being the real culprit behind the attack. However, after examining the confession, made on condition that Mr Sankey would not have to stand trial himself, prosecutors decided that he was responsible for assaulting someone else. The refusal of the Bulgarian authorities to take heed of Mr Sankey's admission has sent Liverpudlians into anger overdrive and in the process brought Shields's plight to national attention. His family has begun a yellow ribbon campaign and called on the Government to intervene to save their son.


Supporter: Liverpool footballer Jamie Carragher dedicated his first goal in six years to Michael Shields

Their cause has won many supporters. Liverpool footballers have pledged to back Shields - one player, Jamie Carragher, even dedicated his first goal of the season to the teenager - while local businesses have undertaken to boycott Bulgarian goods.

The blanket criticism of Bulgaria's judicial system has infuriated authorities in the Eastern European state and the gathering storm around the case is now threatening to turn it into an international incident. But has Shields indeed been the victim of a miscarriage of justice, or is he a guilty man?

One aspect of the case is not in dispute, and that is what happened to Mr Georgiev, a 25-year-old father of two young children, who on the night of Sunday, May 29, was at work in the Big Ben fish-and-chip shop at the resort. By the early hours of the next morning, the area was bustling with revellers, many of them drunken Liverpool supporters who had returned from their team's historic victory in Istanbul. Among them was Anthony Wilson, 18, who entered the restaurant at about 5am, visibly drunk, and ordered a hot dog and beer.

After first refusing to pay, he sat down and began exchanging insults with two English couples sitting nearby. Wilson's friend, Bradley Thompson, 19, grabbed his drunken compatriot and pulled him away, throwing a few choice epithets over his shoulder for good measure. One of the English men chased after them, but when Wilson and Thompson responded by pelting him with bottles he then returned to arm himself with a couple of improvised missiles from the drinks cabinet in the fish-and-chip shop.

Mr Georgiev went outside to try to calm the situation. He told the court that the last thing he remembers seeing was a fair-haired man wearing a white shirt, whom he later identified as Shields, run up and punch him in the face. Wilson, Thompson and, apparently, Shields, then set about teaching Mr Georgiev a lesson in what English teenagers abroad are wont to do when drunk: adminstering vicious beatings.

Three Bulgarian witnesses told the court that they saw Shields pick up an 8lb paving slab and bring it down on Mr Georgiev's head, while Wilson and Thompson laid into him with hefty kicks. Daniela Krumova, a waitress working at Big Ben's, identified Shields as the person who hit Mr Georgiev with the slab. "He was like mad," she said, "out of control."

According to Ms Krumova, Shields held the slab with both hands above his head and threw it at Mr Georgiev's head with all his might. The strength of the impact was such that the stone bounced off the victim's head.

Danail Yordanov, also working at Big Ben's, recognised Shields as the person who hit Mr Georgiev with the slab. However, he said that he had not seen Shields's face from the front but only in profile.

Vassil Todorov, who was in Big Ben's at the time of the incident, told the court that he saw Shields taking part in the fight. "He was standing over Martin Georgiev and had foam coming out of his mouth," he said.

After the attack, the police were called and told by Mr Todorov that an Englishman at the scene had said the assailants were staying at the Kristal hotel. The next morning a number of English fans, including those staying at the hotel, were rounded up by the police. Shields was among them, as were his friends Kieron Dunne, 20, and John Unsworth, 21. All three had been sharing room 419. Room 421 next door had been occupied by Wilson and Thompson, who were friends of Mr Sankey, until both had been evicted by the hotel management earlier for disturbing other guests. The two groups had become friendly and had spent previous mornings on their neighbouring balconies comparing notes from the night's revelries.

This morning was different, however. Their passports seized by the police, Mr Dunne, Mr Unsworth and Shields were asked to don white shirts and take part in an identity parade. None had been wearing a white shirt the night before, although Shields's was cream-coloured.

Another man who was detained, although only briefly, was Mr Sankey, a 20-year-old electrician. Since he had dark hair and did not fit the description given to the police he was allowed to go free.

Shields was not so lucky. He was repeatedly picked out by witnesses in identity parades, taken off for further questioning and later charged with the attack on Mr Georgiev. His friends, meanwhile, caught their flight back to Britain in the expectation, they said later, that Shields would be released and follow on a later plane.

Within days, Shields's parents, Maria and Michael, were protesting their son's innocence to the media and making much noise about the "intolerable" conditions in which he was being detained. They insisted the teenager was a "gentle giant" who would never hurt anyone; there must have been some kind of mistake.

The Shields family mobilised their son's friends to return to Bulgaria and give evidence. Central to Shields's defence was his claim, backed up by Mr Dunne, Mr Unsworth and others, that he had been tucked up in bed by 3am on the morning of May 30 and therefore could not have carried out the attack, which was said to have happened about two hours later.

By early July, friends of the Shields family were also already pointing fingers at Mr Sankey as the "real culprit" - a charge that he emphatically denied. The trial was set for July 21, with Wilson also due to face charges of hooliganism and possession of cannabis.

continued............

[4tothefloor]

continued.............

Significantly, Thompson, who had also been charged with hooliganism, had already made a confession, for which he had received a six-month suspended sentence, after confirming that he had attacked Mr Georgiev together with Wilson and Shields. However, when the trial began and Thompson was called to give evidence, he gave a highly contradictory and muddled account of events.

In front of two judges and three jury members, Thompson said he did not know Shields, despite the fact that he had stayed in a room next to his at the hotel. Backtracking on his own confession, he said that he had only seen the fight from far away and ran off after a brick was thrown at someone's head by someone with "brownish hair" whom he did not know. In so testifying, he had effectively ruled out Mr Sankey as the culprit, since he was someone whom he knew well.

As the other defence witnesses trooped in to give evidence regarding Shields's whereabouts at 3am, it became obvious that a surprisingly large number of his friends had seen him peacefully asleep at that time - even those who were not staying in the same room. All sorts of reasons were given for their having stumbled into the apparently unlocked room where they had, they said, seen his prone form before retreating. One had gone to the room thinking that there might be a party there, only to be disappointed to find every-one was tucked up in bed, while another had dropped by to retrieve his mobile telephone, and so on.

One defence witness, Paul Graney, pointed the finger at Mr Sankey, although his testimony was anything but conclusive. Mr Graney said: "He never said that he did not hit anybody, but neither had he said he did hit somebody." Both Graney and Shields had denied being related, but eventually Shields was forced to admit that they were "kind of cousins".

Then came the bombshell that catapulted the case into the headlines: from the safety of Britain, Mr Sankey issued a confession via his solicitor that he was indeed the man who had nearly killed Mr Georgiev. Mr Sankey was not, however, prepared to stand trial. His expectation seemed to be that Shields would now be set free and the matter forgotten about.

The defence, naturally, seized upon the admission. But the court's judges seemed less impressed, prompting intercontinental outcries of incredulity. What nobody seemed to ask was why the court should accept a confession that ran counter to all the known facts of the case. In his statement, Mr Sankey claimed that: "I saw three men running at me with bottles and bricks in their hands. I panicked and stupidly picked up a brick and threw it in the direction of the men running towards me. I saw the brick hit one of them. I panicked and I turned and ran away and returned to the hotel."

How Mr Sankey could be so certain that the man he had injured was Mr Georgiev was puzzling. Certainly the Bulgarian's injuries, which included having a three-inch section of his skull staved out with something far more substantial than a lofted brick, were inconsistent with Mr Sankey's account.

The prosecution witnesses saw a man, whom they believed was Shields, smash a paving slab on Mr Georgiev's head. Even if they had mistakenly identified Shields, Mr Sankey's version was not in keeping with their accounts.

Last week, Mr Sankey and Thompson were unavailable for comment. Wilson, who was given a suspended sentence for his role in the attack, is still in Bulgaria. Others were keen, however, to keep the pressure up for Shields to be released. Mr Unsworth, an apprentice pipefitter who had been rounded up by police at the Kristal hotel, dismissed the inconsistencies in Mr Sankey's confession. "Sankey is just saying that he threw a brick, but I spoke to a lad who was there and he saw him smash the brick on the guy's head," he said.

And why had Mr Sankey suddenly confessed? Mr Unsworth shrugged. "Probably he thought it would not go this far, and then when it did his conscience got the better of him."

Whatever the truth, the case is an unedifying one and reflects poorly on Liverpool's football supporters. Mr Unsworth summed up the unsavoury feeling about the whole affair. He sympathised with his friend left in prison, he said, but had little pity for Mr Georgiev. "I felt sorry for him at first, but by insisting it was Michael that attacked him he is just trying to get his compensation money. Anyway, he only came out of the fish-and-chip shop to help out the Germans who were out there."

[sligoman]

Will read it tommorrow. Too tired to now :o. Thanks though, ;).

[mypost]

Hand on heart I think Everton will finish around the 7th to 10th mark.

:D

Where are you going with your 7th to 10th?? :confused: I said they'd finish 16th, and they're going the right way about it at the moment. :D

August 31st 2005: Pld Pts
Liverpool ----------2-- 4
Everton ---------- 3-- 3

We're ahead of them, and they're back in the drop zone already, so normal service has resumed. :D :)

[4tothefloor]

Spurs 0 - 0 Liverpool
Good result today away to a decent Spurs side. Not many teams will go there and keep a clean sheet. No goal conceded yet and thats Boro and Spurs away gone already, two fixtures that we nearly always seem to lose. Momo Sissokko is a machine, unlucky Moysey boy! :p

Everton 0 - 1 Portsmouth
Opps-a-daisy! And the icing on the cake was Dunc the drunk got the winner......wrong end Dunc :D

[Tony Montana]

Boro and Spurs the 2 most difficult away games in the Premiership outside Chelsea,Arsenal and Man U IMO,would have taken both results beforehand.Look at Arsenal yesterday!Pool can kick on now and put in a serious challenge to Chelsea over the rest of the season.

[4tothefloor]

Jon Arne Riise was awesome on Saturday, has to stay in the side from now on. Was impressed with Crouch and Cisse as well, looks to be the best partnership, a bit of fine tuning needed though.

[anto1208]

Spurs 0 - 0 Liverpool
Good result today away to a decent Spurs side. Not many teams will go there and keep a clean sheet. No goal conceded yet and thats Boro and Spurs away gone already, two fixtures that we nearly always seem to lose. Momo Sissokko is a machine, unlucky Moysey boy! :p

Everton 0 - 1 Portsmouth
Opps-a-daisy! And the icing on the cake was Dunc the drunk got the winner......wrong end Dunc :D

ha ha i love the unbiased view you have , a good result is drawing with spurs since when ??

while everton played **** the worst ive ever seen them and still played pompy off the pitch and had 3 shots scrambled of the line , beattie made his come back so we should have some strikers to choose from soon .

they just have to shoot kilbane complete and utter tosh

[declan hide]

since spurs have jenas defoe carrick davids king and robinson in their side.

[declan hide]

still played pompy off the pitch and had 3 shots scrambled of the line ,

makes the result all the sweeter :D

[4tothefloor]

makes the result all the sweeter :D
Hee hee hee :D

[ciaran76]

ha ha i love the unbiased view you have , a good result is drawing with spurs since when ??

while everton played **** the worst ive ever seen them and still played pompy off the pitch and had 3 shots scrambled of the line , beattie made his come back so we should have some strikers to choose from soon .

they just have to shoot kilbane complete and utter tosh


And Cahill needs to be rested. He is half the man he was last season. :(

[anto1208]

And Cahill needs to be rested. He is half the man he was last season. :(

yea i was at the game he looked very tired but he hasnt stopped for years , he played all the WC qualifiers he played in the oympics and in some other comp , plus he flew to oz last week and only got back in time for the pompy game .

normally he would be box to box but i few times he couldnt run any more .


also with moyes ,he plays 442 once then comes out and says it doesnt work . it was nothing to do with the formation, we didnt win because he picked kilbane and davies instead of faddy and ossy .
yet again as soon as faddy and ossy came on it gave us pace with skill players that can cross and we were all over pompy creating a load of chances .

picking kilbane means your starting with 9 players !! your left back has no cover your left wing has no attacking ability .

from the game
martyn was class all ways is should be englands number 2 keeper
hibbert . distribution wasnt great but his tackling is top drawer one of the best tacklers in the prem .
yobo class act
weir . is just too old causes the defence to sit too deep but won everything in the box .
valente ; did well finally have a left back that can pass
davies kilbane : if they completed one pass i must have missed it utter rubbish
cahill : tired
artetta : left stranded with out cahil or neville
dunc : was dunc gets about gets unfairly trated by the ref and scored!!
bent : still our best striker it will be an outrage if he looses his place to beattie again .

subs
faddy and ossy : outstanding best ive ever seen faddy play
beattie : jury is still out on this guy .

[mypost]

Here's a new chant that we can sing during Champions League games:

"We are the mighty Liverpool,
We're Europe's Number One,
And when we won the European Cup,
We said, "We told you so",
We beat Chelsea and Milan,
Everton, and William Gaillard,
We are in this year's Champions League,
So we had the last laugh".

:D :p

Repeat........

[anto1208]

Here's a new chant that we can sing during Champions League games:

"We are the mighty Liverpool,
We're Europe's Number One,
And when we won the European Cup,
We said, "We told you so",
We beat Chelsea and Milan,
Everton, and William Gaillard,
We are in this year's Champions League,
So we had the last laugh".

:D :p

Repeat........


im embarresed for you thats so so sad

[jockser]

great 3 points for the Migty Reds last night!!

De De De De De De De Deeeerrrrrr

[4tothefloor]

great 3 points for the Migty Reds last night!!

De De De De De De De Deeeerrrrrr
Yup, and two fingers up to all the b*****ds that said we haven't a hope. A special extension of those two fingers to Eamon 'ManU' Dunphy who said we have "Zero chance" of making an impact in the CL this season. Suck my balls Eamon :D

What about Peter Crouch? Outstanding and looking good to prove even more people wrong. Momo Sissoko is just unbelievable as well, can't wait to see him kicking Frank Lampard around the ankles.

[anto1208]

Yup, and two fingers up to all the b*****ds that said we haven't a hope. A special extension of those two fingers to Eamon 'ManU' Dunphy who said we have "Zero chance" of making an impact in the CL this season. Suck my balls Eamon :D

What about Peter Crouch? Outstanding and looking good to prove even more people wrong. Momo Sissoko is just unbelievable as well, can't wait to see him kicking Frank Lampard around the ankles.

now your getting carried away with yourself peter crouch oustanding for a lanky streak of pi ss more like !!still compaired to any other player he is average very average . .
you cant compare sissoko with lamps , lamps is still the best central midfielder in the prem , you could compare sissoko to viera but its way too early .

are you not worried about how much ye struggled the other night against a very poor team .

[declan hide]

[QUOTE=anto1208]peter crouch oustanding for a lanky streak of pi ss more like !!QUOTE]

personal attack on peter. wheres the moderator?

if we struggle like that all season and win 2-1 at the same time i'll be delighted. far better than playing pompey off the pitch and still losing! :D :D and triple :D

[jockser]

now your getting carried away with yourself peter crouch oustanding for a lanky streak of pi ss more like !!still compaired to any other player he is average very average . .
you cant compare sissoko with lamps , lamps is still the best central midfielder in the prem , you could compare sissoko to viera but its way too early .

are you not worried about how much ye struggled the other night against a very poor team .

So Crouch is a lanky string os p**s
Lamps is the best CM in the prem
and Real betis are a very poor team............

glad we got that sorted :D

[4tothefloor]

now your getting carried away with yourself peter crouch oustanding for a lanky streak of pi ss more like !!still compaired to any other player he is average very average . .
you cant compare sissoko with lamps , lamps is still the best central midfielder in the prem , you could compare sissoko to viera but its way too early .

are you not worried about how much ye struggled the other night against a very poor team .

First of all, Crouch was outstanding against Betis, I did not say that Crouch is outstanding full stop. Secondly, where did I compare Sissoko to Lampard?? I said I couldn't wait to see him getting stuck in to Lampard (we owe him one broken ankle from last season), how is that a comparison? You're the one getting carried away becuase you're not reading the posts properly ;)

Now anto1208, remember how we laughed last season at your predictions of Everton in the CL, even Everton in Europe? Here's why - UEFA Cup 1st Round: Dinamo Bucharesti 5 - 1 Everton :p LMFAO

It's even funnier than Celtics 5-0 defeat to Armenia Bratiuseless, and you're saying Betis are a bad team? :p