Everton and Liverpool discussion

[BohsPartisan]

Nah they're rip off merchants like the rest. Though ticket prices are lower than most of the Premiership.

[Lim till i die]

Nah they're rip off merchants like the rest. Though ticket prices are lower than most of the Premiership.

Isn't that to do with being unable to get blood out of a stone more than anything though.

Liverpool as a city still in a pretty bad way compared to the more affluent south is it not??

[BohsPartisan]

Yeah but those business men from Singapore who flock to Anfield and Old Trafford every week are pretty afluent.
Demographically Everton fans in general come from some of the poorest areas in the UK.

[Lim till i die]

Yeah but those business men from Singapore who flock to Anfield and Old Trafford every week are pretty afluent.
Demographically Everton fans in general come from some of the poorest areas in the UK.

Glasgow?? :confused: :eek: :p

[reder]

Yeah but those business men from Singapore who flock to Anfield and Old Trafford every week are pretty afluent.
Demographically Everton fans in general come from some of the poorest areas in the UK.

I was talking to some evertonians on sat and they were not going cos they are p1ssed off with the club and with the whole moving to Kirby etc (Real Fans). There may have been roadworks in North Wales and that would also account for the poor attendance.

Everton generally dont sell out games quickly. Aparently you can pick up a ticket fairly easily from their box office for most games. You would have to ask evertonians why they are not going, there seems to be some sort of general depression around goodison. As for ticket prices goodison is more expensive than Anfield, PL Category A games at anfield are £32-£34 (excl. restricted view) whilst goodison is (£37, £35 *away fan prices which I presume are the same as home fans.)

I was at the Liverpool game on sat as per usual. I am always very vary of public displays like the 6 minutes for the 96 campaign. I know people who died in Hillsborough and fyi mypost, the manner in which these people are remembered is very important to me. You can just move on when someone spreads lies about the dead. I dont think you understand the level of hurt caused by this man. You seem to forget that his comment cast a slur of the whole city, both reds and blues.

[BohsPartisan]

My ticket for the Derby was £34 which is a category A game. Its the same price for a Man U game at Goodison while when Arsenal or Chelsea come to visit its £32 (I'm talking Glawdys St here, I presume main stand, Bullens etc. are pricier.) Normal games are £30. And your right, most games you can walk up to Goodison on Saturday morning and pick up tickets, though they're not usually great seats, but by kick off its usually close to sell out.

[4tothefloor]

In fairness the average attendance at Goodison is much higher than that. I would venture that Everton fans in general are less financially well off than redsh'te and as the game took place so close to xmas many couldn't afford to go. Anytime I go to goodison its packed to the rafters.
Load of rubbish, there is no difference between the two clubs. There are no aristocrats at Anfield, a ground famous the world over for its atmosphere.....Everton playing the poor mouth again, instead of admitting that 'The Peoples Club' mantra is a load of crap and in fact you are the second club in Liverpool both in stature and in fanbase.


Just because it was full of people on package tours from Ireland and the Far East :rolleyes:
For a midweek League Cup game? :p Didn't all those Irish and phantom far eastern fans do well to get to Liverpool with all that fog as well....:D


Yeah but those business men from Singapore who flock to Anfield and Old Trafford every week are pretty afluent.
Demographically Everton fans in general come from some of the poorest areas in the UK.
The likes of Bootle, Toxteth, Huyton etc are the tough areas and again they are a mix of blues and reds. Another bulls**t excuse from an Evertonian! Where are all these Singapore men at Anfield by the way?? I've been going to Anfield for years and the most exotic I've met have been Scandanavians. Have I been going to the wrong Anfield or what?


Liverpool as a city still in a pretty bad way compared to the more affluent south is it not??
Liverpool is a working class city, all you need to do is take a walk around it and you'll see that. Go out there and you won't come across many yuppies. It's the same for both reds and blues so the Evertonians excuses are laughable really. That's why they're called bitters.....

[mypost]

I was at the Liverpool game on sat as per usual. I am always very vary of public displays like the 6 minutes for the 96 campaign. I know people who died in Hillsborough and fyi mypost, the manner in which these people are remembered is very important to me. You can just move on when someone spreads lies about the dead. I dont think you understand the level of hurt caused by this man. You seem to forget that his comment cast a slur of the whole city, both reds and blues.

As earlier stated, we have more pressing issues to worry about right now. The team, the league form, the CL, the new takeover, the new ground, etc, etc.

Having Justice mosaics and campaigns is all very well, but re:Hillsborough, there will be no more prosecutions, no more trials, no more public inquirys, the BBC are not going to sack an employee based on petitions and campaigns in one part of England, neither are the Sun going to lose it's 10 million UK readership. There is therefore little point.

As posted by fans on the .tv forum today, no apology from the paper will ever be accepted, no matter when, to who, or how. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

[anto1208]

6-3 at home ! 9 goals against in 2 games :D :D :D

[mypost]

Who did the Blues go out of the League Cup to?

You'll never guess. :D :D :D

[BohsPartisan]

Not in such style though. :p

[anto1208]

Who did the Blues go out of the League Cup to?

You'll never guess. :D :D :D

That was a once off freak result whats liverpools excuse ??

[dfx-]

A freak result?? Such a defeat hasn't happened since 1914, I think. Last night was a freak result.

Everton getting hammered at home is much more regular.;)

[BohsPartisan]

DFX, you must be getting used to supporting teams that concede six at home by now.

[Roadend]

As posted by fans on the .tv forum today, no apology from the paper will ever be accepted, no matter when, to who, or how. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

Oh dear, you actually take note of things posted on .tv. How embarrassing.

[dfx-]

DFX, you must be getting used to supporting teams that concede six at home by now.

Clever, but no :D

[reder]

These things happen. Delighted to see our fans were still there at full time. Same on sat. We really are an example of true brilliance. You should replace your 3-0 dvd at goodison with a DVD about lfc fans and how we are the best fans ever.

Roll on feb 3rd, I just have to say I cannot wait. Will Timmy Cahill be back for you's. I dont want to leave any options for blue excuses when we stuff you 4-0.

[Lim till i die]

These things happen. Delighted to see our fans were still there at full time. Same on sat. We really are an example of true brilliance. You should replace your 3-0 dvd at goodison with a DVD about lfc fans and how we are the best fans ever.


Oh dear

The last thing Liverpool deserved last night was support up to the final whistle.

If one of the big clubs in Italy played like that after people paying good money to see them there would be war. Blindly following through $hite does not a best fan ever make (Which may seem odd coming from a Limerick fan but I stand by it :p )

[anto1208]

These things happen. Delighted to see our fans were still there at full time. Same on sat. We really are an example of true brilliance. You should replace your 3-0 dvd at goodison with a DVD about lfc fans and how we are the best fans ever.

Roll on feb 3rd, I just have to say I cannot wait. Will Timmy Cahill be back for you's. I dont want to leave any options for blue excuses when we stuff you 4-0.

That just shows they are idiots , getting beaten 3-6 by arsenal youth team and they stay to cheer them on :rolleyes: . probibly couldnt find the Exits

[anto1208]

A freak result?? Such a defeat hasn't happened since 1914, I think. Last night was a freak result.

Everton getting hammered at home is much more regular.;)

Everton home results this season as you can see only one big defeat , liverpool have now been trashed in the last 2 games running .
2-1
3-0
2-2
1-1
2-0
4-0
0-1
0-1
1-0
2-0
2-3
0-0
3-0
1-4

[dfx-]

That just shows they are idiots

Since I've a 100% record when visiting Anfield, I can only use Rovers as a reference here.

I have left one game early in 16 years regardless of the scoreline. That was the 4-0 defeat up in Dundalk for the Cup. 1-4 Finn Harps last year stayed on, 4-6 to Boez stayed all game. Didn't think twice of it.

Are teams only to be supported when they're doing well/'deserve it'? :confused:

[dfx-]

Everton home results this season as you can see only one big defeat

But when they do lose big, nobody bothers to bat an eyelid. And only 24,000 home fans bother to turn up. Probably couldn't find the entrances, I s'pose.;)

[Lim till i die]

Are teams only to be supported when they're doing well/'deserve it'? :confused:

But surely fans who spend their hard earned cash going to games are also entitled to protest when they see fit :confused:

[BohsPartisan]

A lot of pool fans left early at the derby. I saw a few leaving at half time, including one poor sod who was on our flight back to Dublin that nigh, boy did he get abuse!

[dfx-]

They are, but are you paying for entertainment or paying to get the chance to support your side?

If you didn't care enough, then it's easy to leave. It makes the victories in the big games even sweeter though.

[dfx-]

A lot of pool fans left early at the derby.

There's also those Liverpool fans who think that Benitez should be sacked after last night, but they're a few cent short of a Euro, so they are to be ignored. Despite that, there's the rest who would stay if they were there - me for example.

[Lim till i die]

They are, but are you paying for entertainment or paying to get the chance to support your side?


The latter obviously but surely as a Shamrock Rovers fan you must agree that fans can't be expected to blindly follow whatever is going on at their club??

[anto1208]

micheal jackson has just applied for the managers job at L.F.C.apparantly he likes to be spanked at home by 11 kids:D :D

[dfx-]

The latter obviously but surely as a Shamrock Rovers fan you must agree that fans can't be expected to blindly follow whatever is going on at their club??

And there have been quesiotns why getting investment seems to be slow (before DIC) and now questions about just how bad some of the back-up players are.

But no need to hunt people down based on a freak result. I was listening to Sky Sports News in an interview this morning bringing up the old chestnut of Gerrard going based solely on last night's result. Sad.

I'm still more annoyed by Saturday's defeat than last night.

[anto1208]

Mikel Arteta is the Premiership's highest-ranking Spaniard according to the latest OPTA statistics.

The Blues midfield star is above his fellow countrymen Cesc Fabregas and Xabi Alonso in the OPTA 2007-07 player rankings and he is also included in the official Team of the Season so far.

Arteta is in a four-man midfield alongside Cristiano Ronaldo, Frank Lampard and Matthew Taylor.

Edwin van der Sar, Steve Finnan, Nicky Shorey, Rio Ferdinand, Gareth Barry, El-Hadji Diouf and Didier Drogba make up the rest of the 'Best XI'

[mypost]

Oh dear, you actually take note of things posted on .tv.


i only joined it in june and its got unreadable

And your points are?? :confused:


Blindly following through $hite does not a best fan ever make

Could be worse though. You could have paid €700 a head to watch a bunch of overpaid Premiership rejects get hockeyed in Cyprus. :D Now that would be shyte.

[Roadend]

And your points are?? :confused:


That its a child infested cess pit which is an embarrassment to the club. To quote from it is laughable in the extreme.

[reder]

There is nothing worse than part time fans, who boo their team and leave for home just cos they are not winning. Goodison was practically empty at 90 mins from what I saw, thats just not good enough given your home record. Surely you can excuse one bad result. I was delighted to see the people stayed at the liverpool games. Thats what true fans do.

I was at the derby and I stayed til the end. I can excuse people leaving early when your playing at goodison and OT. When you do so you avoid the everton and man u hooligans lurching around the away end after the game in gangs trying to find an away fan on his/her own to attack. I got shed loads of abuse in the city that day so anything that was said to me by some irishtoffee in the airport or on the plane was completely irrelevant. The guy who was abused should have known better than to sit with evertonians.

Cant wait for feb 3rd, however when we win there will be trouble after the game and if by some miracle everton get a result there wont be. There is an interesting pattern when you look at crowd trouble at derby games but then again goodison is the home of hooliganism.

[dfx-]

seconded i only joined it in june and its got unreadable checked it at half time last night about 30 topics on the match :confused:

It was readable in june?

It hasn't been readable in four years. I haven't been anywhere near the place in three.

[mypost]

That its a child infested cess pit.

And this isn't? :confused:

I quoted from the "e-season" board, where you can only post when you've subscribed up to it. Therefore, the posts are a lot more thought out, than on the standard discussion board.

Over on Roadend however, it's an abusive cesspit, where all discussion is cut up into an unreadable tirade of f's, b's, c's, and s words, all tolerated by the mods. I won't quote from it, as most words used wouldn't make it past the filter here.

[dfx-]

Here, it's just adults acting like children - totally different.


Therefore, the posts are a lot more thought out, than on the standard discussion board.


.......:D Sorry. :D ....... :D

[Roadend]

A thought out post on .tv, did you ever hear the likes....

[anto1208]

For those that think liverpool get special treatment they allready change the rules to allow them into the champs league last season now this .

Mascherano to Liverpool deal back on
By Andy Hunter
Published: 16 January 2007
Liverpool were given hope of a breakthrough in their laborious efforts to sign Javier Mascherano from West Ham United last night when Fifa announced the Argentina international may be allowed to move to Anfield after all.

Rafael Benitez is anxious to strengthen his squad with the World Cup midfielder but has been frustrated in his attempts by world football's governing body, which prevents a player appearing for three clubs between 1 July and 30 June the following year.

Fifa regulations stipulate that while a player can register with a maximum of three clubs during that time, they can only play for two, and as Mascherano starred for Corinthians after the World Cup and before his astonishing move to West Ham in August, he is ineligible to play for Benitez's side. Only last week Fifa announced that the ruling was binding but, having received a written submission from Liverpool that contests the decision, the governing body has now confirmed it will consider a possible U-turn.

A Fifa spokesman said last night: "We have received correspondence from Liverpool and a case has now been opened."

Liverpool's detailed argument is supported by Mascherano's representatives, Media Sports Investments, the group founded by Kia Joorabchian who also brought Carlos Tevez to West Ham before his failed attempt to take over the east London club. Liverpool's case is that, as the midfielder has played just six minutes for the Hammers since October and has made only seven appearances in total, and none since Alan Curbishley became manager, leaving the asset idle on the sidelines represents a restraint of trade.

Liverpool also argue that precedents have been set on the three-club rule and there should be an allowance for Mascherano as he played in both the European and the South American seasons last year, with the latter's calendar extending beyond 1 Julyt.

Should Fifa grant an exception, the Argentine's move to Anfield would proceed instantly.

The Anfield directors have also sanctioned a deal for Blackburn Rovers' Lucas Neill, who could be involved in the Liverpool squad to face Chelsea on Saturday provided he resists greater financial offers from West Ham or Newcastle United.

[anto1208]

Everton line up £5.5m bid to bring Barton back home
By Andy Hunter
Published: 16 January 2007
Everton will make an audacious attempt to convince Joey Barton to exchange the sky blue of Manchester for the royal blue of Merseyside if they can raise £5.5m to activate a release clause in his City contract before the close of the transfer window.

David Moyes, the Everton manager, has identified the tenacious 24-year-old as the man to improve his side's faltering prospects of European qualification this season and is prepared to pay a record sum for a midfielder at Goodison Park, plus a salary of around £35,000 a week, to tempt Barton into what would be a controversial move.

The former Everton trainee signed a four-year contract at Manchester City last summer but it contains a clause that allows him to speak to any club willing to meet a £5.5m release fee. Moyes does not have that money at his disposal at present, but that will change overnight provided Fulham follow up their interest in the Wales international Simon Davies with an offer in the region of £2.75m.

The veteran central defender David Weir is expected to leave the Goodison pay roll today by rejoining his former manager Walter Smith at Glasgow Rangers on a free transfer, and with Everton yet to spend the £2.5m they banked from Wigan for Kevin Kilbane on transfer deadline day last August, the sale of the former Tottenham winger Davies will generate the funds Moyes needs to pursue the Barton transfer.

Then comes the hard part, convincing the England hopeful that his career would be best served by a move back to Goodison Park. Not only does Barton harbour ambitions of joining one of the Premiership's top four clubs, he announced a fortnight ago that he would not leave Manchester City during this transfer window. Barton, a boyhood Evertonian, has also endured run-ins with supporters of his former club in the past.

In 2005 he was sent home from a pre-season tour of Thailand by City's manager, Stuart Pearce, for fighting with a teenage Everton fan at the bar of a Bangkok Hotel. Last September he responded to taunts about his half-brother Michael, jailed for the racist murder of the Liverpool teenager Anthony Walker in 2005, by dropping his shorts to the Goodison Park crowd and attracted an FA fine.

Despite so many apparent obstacles, however, Everton officials believe they can tempt Barton to become the local fulcrum of a side with designs on the Uefa Cup next season.

Unlike Everton, City remain in the FA Cup this season and will tonight seek to secure a fourth-round home tie against Southampton, as well as raising fresh transfer funds for manager Pearce, when they face Sheffield Wednesday in a third-round replay.

Though under no pressure to sell Micah Richards, Sylvain Distin or Barton (release clause not withstanding) this month, the City manager, who yesterday insisted there had still been no official approach from Chelsea for the England defender, is not awash with transfer funds himself.

Despite presiding over an impressive start to 2007 Pearce is anxious to bolster a strike force that has yielded just nine goals this season and last night he lost Paul Dickov for between six and eight weeks after he underwent surgery on a broken toe.

To that end, tonight's television income plus shared gate receipts offer an added incentive to progress. "It will impact on my transfer budget without a doubt," Pearce said.

City are today expecting an answer from Seville on their offer to take Kepa Blanco Gonzalez on loan until the end of the season, with Charlton and West Ham also believed to be interested in the Spanish striker, and have given a week's trial to the Internazionale defender and former Italy international, Francesco Coco.

The American midfielder Claudio Reyna will soon be off the City pay roll, having been allowed by the club to return to the MLS for family reasons, and Pearce has confirmed his interest in the former City winger Shaun Wright-Phillips is at an end. "We have been quoted a price that's a million miles away from our budget and Chelsea don't want a loan deal," he said.

One striker City have secured is Djamel Abdoun, a French Under-20 international who has signed on loan from Ajaccio until the end of the season and who, back in his homeland this weekend, somewhat unwisely confessed to modelling his game on the current darling of Old Trafford, Cristiano Ronaldo. "Does he really?" asked a sceptical Pearce. "Well, we'll soon knock that out of him."

[kingdom hoop]

The former Everton trainee signed a four-year contract at Manchester City last summer but it contains a clause that allows him to speak to any club willing to meet a £5.5m release fee. Moyes does not have that money at his disposal at present, but that will change overnight provided Fulham follow up their interest in the Wales international Simon Davies with an offer in the region of £2.75m.


Moyes told evertonfc.com: 'I can confirm that we have made an enquiry for Joey Barton.

'However, Manchester City made it clear he was not for sale and we respect the wishes of the club and Stuart Pearce.':confused:

[anto1208]

Moyes told evertonfc.com: 'I can confirm that we have made an enquiry for Joey Barton.

'However, Manchester City made it clear he was not for sale and we respect the wishes of the club and Stuart Pearce.':confused:

which promted this responce from his agent

"If a club offers £5.5m, it is Joey's right to speak to that club if he wants to, or not if he doesn't want to."

[Roadend]

Three was a time when knowing about such clauses would lead to FA punishment.

[drinkfeckarse]

Totally agree. Is Willie Mackay his agent?

[anto1208]

Totally agree. Is Willie Mackay his agent?

yeah thats him

[drinkfeckarse]

Oh well, everyone knows morals aren't high on Mr Mackay's list.

[anto1208]

Oh well, everyone knows morals aren't high on Mr Mackay's list.

An Agent with otu morals surely not !! probibly the worst case ive heard is Fat Dolan while manager of cork organised the sale of Doyle for 80,000 for the club but as he was acting as his agent aswell he pocketed 1 mill for himself !!! Thats why i was so dissapointed to see him hanging around Hogan park last year .

[mypost]

LFC title race:

Revised target stands at 11 points required from 14 games. :)

[anto1208]

Manuel Fernandes in Simon Davies out .

finally some transfer activity at goodison davies off to Fulham for £3mill :D :D
cant believe we got that much moyes has sold kilbane and davies for 5.5 mill what a genius !!! .

Fernandes joins on loan with an option .

hopefully a striker will arrive too after AJ getting taking off , his leg isnt broken but he wont be fit for Sat thats for sure ..

[anto1208]

when you say saturday i take it you mean the derby anto.its fa cup saturday so will the extra week make a difference??

I dont think it will , i think he will be out for a month anyway still waiting on the medical reports . i reckon Moyes will go with Anchovie up front with cahill and artetta in support , VDM on the left , Ossy on the right , and Cars in central midfield . then phil, yobo ,lesscott and Stubbs arcoss the back .

[First]

I dont think it will , i think he will be out for a month anyway still waiting on the medical reports . i reckon David Moyes will go with Victor Anichebe up front with Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta in support , Andy Van Der Meyde on the left , Leon Osman on the right , and Lee Carsley in central midfield . then Philip Neville, Joseph Yobo ,Joleon Lescott and Alan Stubbs across the back .

Just too buddy buddy the way you originally posted it, had to tidy it up because it annoyed me.;)