Everton and Liverpool discussion

[mypost]

If the irish times accused your family of picking the pockets of dead fellow fans and pee'ing on their corpses, and never apologise for it would you forgive and forget.

It happened 17 years ago. The Sun has repeatedly expressed sincere and genuine remorse over printing the article on numerous occasions in the years since. The Sun has apologised to Scousers, it's readership, and the Hillsborough Support Groups, which was eventually accepted by them. They printed a further page-long apology in it's editorial in Autumn 2004. Call it half-hearted, call it PC, call it what you like, they are the facts. But then again, the vendetta brigade don't read, never mind buy The Sun, so how would they know what/when/how often/the extent of the apologies were made??

[declan hide]

anto...we might start believeing what you are saying was it not for the fact you repeatedly denied who you were and who you were related to on another forum on this very website, so its quite hard to believe a word you say really.

i wonder what all the real everton fans would make off the silver spoon you eat with. :D

[anto1208]

I'll break it down for you as simple as I can....."through on goal" implied to me that you meant if Riise hadn't taken him down then he was away to go one on one with the keeper.



Arteta while not slow, is not known for any blistering pace. He is no quicker than the average Premiership player. I have never seen any journo or fan pick up on Arteta's "pace" so you are mistaken if you think he's got something to rival Thierry Henry.

Plus Hyypia AND Carragher were closer to Reina that Arteta (have a look at the video again) who would also have had to make a diagonal run to come in from his position near the touchline so I'm not sure why you think he'd have burned them off??



No it doesn't, you do come across as someone who doesn't know what they are saying. There's no confusion there at all.

im looking at the pic of the moment artetta gets fouled he is on the half way line sprinting , i can only see one liverpool defender in the pic he is almost at the edge of the centre circle close to the middle of the pitch (withways)jogging back , it is my belief that artetta who was allready travelling faster would have easly beaten the defender to the edge of the box giving him a one on one with the keeper, this just an opinion not fact

having AJ running through the middle a little pass inside was also on and im sure on this form AJ would have had a good effort on goal .

[anto1208]

anto...we might start believeing what you are saying was it not for the fact you repeatedly denied who you were and who you were related to on another forum on this very website, so its quite hard to believe a word you say really.

i wonder what all the real everton fans would make off the silver spoon you eat with. :D

i was warned about giving out my real name and address to strange men on the internet .


didnt think evertonians where not aloud to have money is that a fifa rule ?


but on a quick side note was did i say about lim

1 NOC was nt the right choice for manager that he didnt get on well with the players wasnt a good coach
2 fr joe was screwing us out of a pitch
3 mike k. should be left in charge

now what happend

1 NOC is gone after proving he isnt a good manager and didnt get on with the players
2 fr joe screwed us out of a pitch
3 mike K is being talked about being brought back in

thats enough off topic plus its clear i dont have a ****ing clue what im going on about ;)


now im going to go back to talking about the blues its the everton liverpool thread not the have a pop at anto thread think thats in current affairs :D

[Roadend]

It happened 17 years ago. The Sun has repeatedly expressed sincere and genuine remorse over printing the article on numerous occasions in the years since. The Sun has apologised to Scousers, it's readership, and the Hillsborough Support Groups, which was eventually accepted by them. They printed a further page-long apology in it's editorial in Autumn 2004. Call it half-hearted, call it PC, call it what you like, they are the facts. But then again, the vendetta brigade don't read, never mind buy The Sun, so how would they know what/when/how often/the extent of the apologies were made??

The sun has never expressed genuine remorse and never printed a meaningful apology. The Hilsboorough support groups did not accept their half assed apology either. Again you do not know what you are talking about, so please do not make any further ridiculously clueless comments on the issue.

[mypost]

The sun has never expressed genuine remorse and never printed a meaningful apology. The Hilsboorough support groups did not accept their half assed apology either. Again you do not know what you are talking about, so please do not make any further ridiculously clueless comments on the issue.

Unlike you, I do know what I'm talking about as unlike most Scousers, I have seen and read the apologies printed by the paper. The Sun has admitted that it made a grave error on several occasions, and has frequently apologised to those who were upset by it. I'm sure most would prefer them to say nothing at all, as it would justify their position against the paper, but that is not the case.

Liverpool FC went out of their way to apologise to Juventus fans for the Heysel Stadium disaster, when the teams played at Anfield last year. It's up to Juventus fans, and those affected by the tragedy to accept the club's apologies or not. What do you want people to do? Nothing?? :confused:

[BohsPartisan]

Unlike you, I do know what I'm talking about as unlike most Scousers, I have seen and read the apologies printed by the paper. The Sun has admitted that it made a grave error on several occasions, and has frequently apologised to those who were upset by it. I'm sure most would prefer them to say nothing at all, as it would justify their position against the paper, but that is not the case.

Liverpool FC went out of their way to apologise to Juventus fans for the Heysel Stadium disaster, when the teams played at Anfield last year. It's up to Juventus fans, and those affected by the tragedy to accept the club's apologies or not. What do you want people to do? Nothing?? :confused:

We discussed this a lot in my media ethics class when I did my journalism postgrad. Its generally accepted in NUJ circles that the apology was a crock of sh'te.

[Roadend]

We discussed this a lot in my media ethics class when I did my journalism postgrad. Its generally accepted in NUJ circles that the apology was a crock of sh'te.

Its was widely ackowledged at the time to be a complete sham of an effort.

Mypost, I have no idea what you brought Heysel into this for, its has nothing to do with Hillsborough,the Sun and the boycott.

[anto1208]

RTE 2

14:45 The Premiership Live Live cross-channel action as Everton take on Wigan at Goodison Park, with studio analysis from John Giles and Trevor Steven. Commentary from George Hamilton and Jim Beglin

[Roadend]

Why do Setanta get all the good games when they show Saturday Football :p

[BohsPartisan]

RTE 2

14:45 The Premiership Live Live cross-channel action as Everton take on Wigan at Goodison Park, with studio analysis from John Giles and Trevor Steven. Commentary from George Hamilton and Jim Beglin

Deadly!

[Desyf]

[QUOTE=anto1208;534114]
the 5 times would mean something if it was a level playing field, but liverpool win four cups murder some fans so no other english clubs can have a chace of winning any then they brag about being the best :rolleyes: /QUOTE]

Anto, that is a very classy comment.
You really are an ignorant tw#t

Liverpool have actually won it 5 times despite being banned longer than "other English clubs".
Of course by that you mean Everton, 'cos they had the bestest team in the whole wide world at the time of the ban, and were about to go on a decade long domination of the footballing world :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I suppose you were one of the inbreds on the Park End chanting "murderers"......I hope you are proud of yourselves.

Some of you Evertonians on this thread really are pathetic. You have just won your second Derby game in 14 or something like that, but by your reaction on Saturday you'd think you had somehow won the f#cking World Cup
Get a life.

Thankfully after the game I was able to socialise and have a pint with some Evertonians who had half a brain.

[BohsPartisan]

I have a full brain, but I suppose someone with half a brain would be more on your level.

[anto1208]

I have a full brain, but I suppose someone with half a brain would be more on your level.


:D :D :D

[anto1208]

[QUOTE=anto1208;534114]
the 5 times would mean something if it was a level playing field, but liverpool win four cups murder some fans so no other english clubs can have a chace of winning any then they brag about being the best :rolleyes: /QUOTE]

Anto, that is a very classy comment.
You really are an ignorant tw#t

Liverpool have actually won it 5 times despite being banned longer than "other English clubs".
Of course by that you mean Everton, 'cos they had the bestest team in the whole wide world at the time of the ban, and were about to go on a decade long domination of the footballing world :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I suppose you were one of the inbreds on the Park End chanting "murderers"......I hope you are proud of yourselves.

Some of you Evertonians on this thread really are pathetic. You have just won your second Derby game in 14 or something like that, but by your reaction on Saturday you'd think you had somehow won the f#cking World Cup
Get a life.

Thankfully after the game I was able to socialise and have a pint with some Evertonians who had half a brain.

at the last goodison derby the liverpool fans sung 1 nil to the murderers so they are clearly proud of there past .

in 85 everton where best team in england ,had just won the cup winners cup where widely regarded as the best team in europe and favourites to win the european cup . but we ll never know will we .......why is that ?

nobody is acting like we won the world cup in fact in my first post i say its not something to get worked up about it was only liverpool they couldnt even beat sh. utd and that we have a much harder game tomor v Wigan .

all we are doing is responding to the nasty bitter posts from liverpool fans that cant seem to get over the fact we trashed them 3 nil

[Roadend]

[QUOTE=Desyf;536286]
in 85 everton where best team in england ,had just won the cup winners cup where widely regarded as the best team in europe and favourites to win the european cup . but we ll never know will we .......why is that ?


Why is that indeed. In 86, when Everton's European Cup escapades would have taken place, Liverpool did the league and cup double, beating everton in the cup final, you'll recall. Now had what happened in Heysel not happened, Liverpool would have won the EC in '85 and been in the comp in 86 as defending champions. Given that history shows we were the best team in England that year, I've no doubt we'd have also won the European cup that year too. Now whisht up.

[Desyf]

I have a full brain, but I suppose someone with half a brain would be more on your level.

:D

I like it.

I was actually drinking with my Evertonian brother and his mates so perhaps you are correct.

[Desyf]

[QUOTE=Desyf;536286]

at the last goodison derby the liverpool fans sung 1 nil to the murderers so they are clearly proud of there past .
in 85 everton where best team in england ,had just won the cup winners cup where widely regarded as the best team in europe and favourites to win the european cup . but we ll never know will we .......why is that ?

nobody is acting like we won the world cup in fact in my first post i say its not something to get worked up about it was only liverpool they couldnt even beat sh. utd and that we have a much harder game tomor v Wigan .

all we are doing is responding to the nasty bitter posts from liverpool fans that cant seem to get over the fact we trashed them 3 nil

Irony goes over your head then. More like through it.

If you were at Goodison you would have seen that in fact people were celebrating far too much given that it was only a few games into a long season. A little bit naive I'd say.

I got over it by about the 3rd pint after the game.

You see being a Liverpool fan isn't about winning Derby matches, however enjoyable that is. It's about winning far greater things than that.
You gobsh1tes wouldn't understand though.;)

[BohsPartisan]

[QUOTE=Roadend1208;536337]

Why is that indeed. In 86, when Everton's European Cup escapades would have taken place, Liverpool did the league and cup double, beating everton in the cup final, you'll recall. Now had what happened in Heysel not happened, Liverpool would have won the EC in '85 and been in the comp in 86 as defending champions. Given that history shows we were the best team in England that year, I've no doubt we'd have also won the European cup that year too. Now whisht up.
Er defending Champions were Juventus.

[BohsPartisan]

You see being a Liverpool fan isn't about winning Derby matches, however enjoyable that is. It's about winning far greater things than that.
You gobsh1tes wouldn't understand though.;)

Funny that because I met a lot of Koppites that were near suicidal in Liverpool that day.

[mypost]

Its generally accepted that the apology was a crock of sh'te.

It's seen as that by those who want to see it that way. The same people who refuse point blank to accept any attempt at an apology, no matter how often or how expressed it is, and simply dismiss it as a crock of shi-te.

[BohsPartisan]

It's seen as that by those who want to see it that way. The same people who refuse point blank to accept any attempt at an apology, no matter how often or how expressed it is, and simply dismiss it as a crock of shi-te.

What proffessionals in the industry?

[mypost]

The editorial also carried a full-page apology in 2004. The Sun rarely does full-page apologies. Even if The Sun ran a special full-length edition with an apology for the article, it still wouldn't be accepted by Scousers. There would always be an if, and a but. Every paper gets it wrong from time to time, the majority acknowledge it and apologise when they do, to the people concerned. The Sun included.

[drinkfeckarse]

The editorial also carried a full-page apology in 2004. The Sun rarely does full-page apologies. Even if The Sun ran a special full-length edition with an apology for the article, it still wouldn't be accepted by Scousers.

The fact that it was 15 years too late might have something to do with it...:rolleyes:

[Roadend]

Er defending Champions were Juventus.

Yes I know, re-read what I actually said.

[BohsPartisan]

Why would Liverpool have won the game if the disaster hadn't happened? The game was played. Liverpool lost.

[Roadend]

Why would Liverpool have won the game if the disaster hadn't happened? The game was played. Liverpool lost.

Yes, Juventus were awarded a penalty for a blatant dive, and Liverpool were denied one when Ronnie Whelan was hacked down in the box. The emotion of the occassion influenced these decisions.

[BohsPartisan]

For crying out loud, moaning about penalty descisions again?

Lose a game? Try some Red Bull.

[Roadend]

Tell me about it, we've been on the wrong end of some shocking decisions for many a year.

[anto1208]

Eveton 2- Wigan 2

as predicted this weekends game proved to be a lot harder than last weekends one , dissapointing to throw away the lead twice , its not good enough for a club like everton we could have pushed on past utd and with them loosing been joint top this week .

still plus points AJ scores again thats 5 in 5 and we maintain our unbeaten run .


note : everton are on the box quite a bitover the next two weeks tues in the cup on sky ,then on twice in the next 2 weeks .

[dfx-]

if the star or whatever paper covered a tragedy of similar standing for shamrock rovers in the same way would you accept a fifteen year too late apology???i know i wouldnt

Personally if it was a genuine apology, then yep I would. The issue is whether it was genuine or not. 'Rooney's story' in the paper was a bit too much of a coincidence.

I would be inclined to agree with mypost that regardless of what the Sun said, it wouldn't be accepted by a considerable amount of people entrenched in their views. However that particular attempt at an apology wouldn't/shouldn't be genuinely accepted by anybody anywhere.

[BohsPartisan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r14oT8ZrnJI

[anto1208]

**** poor performance last night from the ressies , just managed to scrape through but at least they won , but a few good points

lesscott was brilliant calm and in control all day

Mark hughes came in and played really well should be able for a few prem starts this year

Anchovie did well made the goal and worked hard all day could have had a goal or 2 if the ref had got his act together

VDM got 70 mins looked really unfit but kept running and didnt want to come off some good touches .


Wright was terrible as normal as was beattie he needs to get his game going at the moment anchovie is playing much better than him

[mypost]

Personally if it was a genuine apology, then yep I would. The issue is whether it was genuine or not. 'Rooney's story' in the paper was a bit too much of a coincidence.

I would be inclined to agree with mypost that regardless of what the Sun said, it wouldn't be accepted by a considerable amount of people entrenched in their views. However that particular attempt at an apology wouldn't/shouldn't be genuinely accepted by anybody anywhere.

The apology as stated by dfx, was the latest and most detailed of them all to date.

The timing of the apology is not really the issue tbh, no matter if it came 5 days, 5 years, 15 years later or in 20 years time, those with an agenda against the paper will always pick holes in it.

[Desyf]

Eveton 2- Wigan 2

as predicted this weekends game proved to be a lot harder than last weekends one , dissapointing to throw away the lead twice , its not good enough for a club like everton

What does that mean ?
I'd say a club like Everton should be happy with a point against Wigan ;)

[jockser]

Great to see Xabi back to old form :)

[Roadend]

So are Liverpool in or out of the title race, or are they in title race limbo? Maybe Richard Keys and Jamie Redknapp have the definitive answer.

[BohsPartisan]

Hope the reds aren't getting carried away with that result at home to Spurs. Sure we beat them away and with ten men.

[casso36]

Hope the reds aren't getting carried away with that result at home to Spurs. Sure we beat them away and with ten men.


Will you ever get a grip!!! Your still ****e and you know you are!! Your ****e and you know you are!! your ****e and you know you are!!!

[casso36]

So are Liverpool in or out of the title race, or are they in title race limbo? Maybe Richard Keys and Jamie Redknapp have the definitive answer.

What a load of ****e to come out with!! Liverpool are out of contention what a load of ******!!!! Typical Sky!! trying to put 2 and 2 together and get 27 ffs!! only four games gone at that stage!!!!

Keyes needs a good kick in the goolies!! or a good face lift!!!

[BohsPartisan]

Will you ever get a grip!!! Your still ****e and you know you are!! Your ****e and you know you are!! your ****e and you know you are!!!

HAHA Priceless.

[Roadend]

Anyhoo, beat Liverpool 3-0 then go draw with Wigan and Newcastle. Good going.

[mypost]

Everton 2-2 Wigan
Newcastle 1-1 Everton

Pool flu has arrived. :rolleyes:

[anto1208]

have ye that little to cheer about at analfield that ye concentrate on evertons results in there unbeaten start to the season .

wigan 2-2 have ye forgot about sheffield utd liverpool 1-1 !!!!!! or everton's trashing of liverpool 3 nil the score board doesnt lie !!;)

[casso36]

have ye that little to cheer about at analfield that ye concentrate on evertons results in there unbeaten start to the season .

wigan 2-2 have ye forgot about sheffield utd liverpool 1-1 !!!!!! or everton's trashing of liverpool 3 nil the score board doesnt lie !!;)

The rot has started!!! Watch and see!! slip down for Blue****e!! to mid table by Christmas, as predicted.

[BohsPartisan]

Newcastle away is always tough. Their goal was offside but I won't whinge about it like a red. These things even themselves out over the course of a season. Wigan we should have done better, dominated the game should have put it well beyond them two lapses in concentration, not good enough.
Anyway, still unbeaten. Back to winning ways on Saturday against sh1ty.

[Roadend]

have ye that little to cheer about at analfield that ye concentrate on evertons results in there unbeaten start to the season .


Why would anyone be cheering at this stage of the season, unless they'd already played and won their cup final for the season of course......;)

[casso36]

Why would anyone be cheering at this stage of the season, unless they'd already played and won their cup final for the season of course......;)

Exactly!!! My thoughts!!!!

[BohsPartisan]

The rot has started!!! Watch and see!! slip down for Blue****e!! to mid table by Christmas, as predicted.

Haha have you not learned by now that making rash predictions can leave you with egg on your face. I love redsh'te arrogance. :p

[anto1208]

Why would anyone be cheering at this stage of the season, unless they'd already played and won their cup final for the season of course......;)

So you only come out of the woodwork and cheer on your team after they have won something !!! ;)