Everton and Liverpool discussion

[Roadend]

Who'll take the penalties:eek:

[dfx-]

More like who'll get the penalties :eek:

[Roadend]

Indeed:D

[drinkfeckarse]

AJ gone for 13 mill [/url]

Not fishing here Anto but that's stupid money for an average player IMO. Great business by Everton.

[anto1208]

More like who'll get the penalties :eek:

Artetta takes the spot kicks it took us 37 games and 82 minutes to get given one last year so its should nt be a big concern :D


Not fishing here Anto but that's stupid money for an average player IMO. Great business by Everton.

Moyes had to take it. i think it will rise to 13 with apearances etc bout 11 mill in cash is still crazy money for him. Good player not a big loss if he is replaced and when you consider the Yak was 11 and got 21 goals getting 13mill for AJ is like xmas time

[drinkfeckarse]

Yeah Yakubu is twice the player Johnson is. How's he been pre-season? One for my shortlist for my dream team :D

[anto1208]

Yeah Yakubu is twice the player Johnson is. How's he been pre-season? One for my shortlist for my dream team :D


He was away with nigeria playing WC qualifiers and is only just back played in the last game, i didnt see it so not sure how he played but Moyes wasnt happy with any of them.

[OwlsFan]

Didn't see the game the other night but another close call for Liverpool. Stanley Park also on hold due to lack of funding. Make or break this year for Benitez I suspect. Badly needs another major trophy and please God Robbie will score soon score.

[OwlsFan]

Just thought I might bump this thread with the separate threads going on Steven Gerrard x2 and Tony Hibbert and with the Merseyside derbys x2 coming up soon.

[Dillo]

Three quick points to make;

I am confident Everton will give as good as they get from Liverpool over the next two weeks. I believe we will triumph in at least one of the games.

Secondly that Tony Hibbert post is ridiculous, he's been a great servant to Everton, reliable and tough in the tackle. Better than any right full Liverpool have had in recent times and that includes Josemi!!!

Thirdly, I believe Arsenal have the quality to win the league, the FA Cup and the Champions League.

[NeilMcD]

You forgot

"Fourthly my ward mate Gaza is getting annoyed by the typing on my keyboard"

[Dillo]

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/arteta-is-modern-day-golden-vision.html

[hunt4the]

[quote=Dillo;1085743]
Secondly that Tony Hibbert post is ridiculous, he's been a great servant to Everton, reliable and tough in the tackle. Better than any right full Liverpool have had in recent times and that includes Josemi!!!
quote]

Hibbert better than Finnan, get a grip son

[DeLorean]

Some crazy stuff going on in this debate. Should be good matches over the next few days. Pool could find it hard to break Everton down tonight but I think the Anfield atmosphere will just see them over the line. Hope I'm wrong though!!

[mypost]

Draw written all over it, as a result of both playing one man upfront, and Everton with 10 men in the box all night.

Haven't beaten Everton and the mancs in the league at home in the same season since 2000/01. :(

[Angus]

This cements my view of RB as a charlatan - the spoofer scores and he takes off Keane and Torres - truly truly stunning

[sligoman]

This cements my view of RB as a charlatan - the spoofer scores and he takes off Keane and Torres - truly truly stunningKeane was muck, barely saw him all night. Torres was taken off in the 85th minute, nothing wrong with that.

[shakermaker1982]

confirms my opinion that Reina couldn't catch a cold never mind a ball!!!

[razor]

Benitezs negativity is killing Liverpool.
Title challenge is down the swanny, 4 draws in the last 5 home league games is horrific form.

[DeLorean]

I don't like saying it but Liverpool's best 11 does not include Robbie Keane. They missed Mascherano big time last night. He throws himself about and adds a tempo to Liverpools game. It also allows Gerrard to do what he's good at as he doesn't contribute nearly enough as one of only two midfield players.

If Rafa is to go with a Keane/Torres partnership then I think Gerrard should be thrown out on the right as he was to good effect a couple of yrs back. This would spell the end for the hard working but all round sad excuse for a footballer that is Dirk Kuyt.

[anto1208]

That wasn’t the greatest game of football ive ever seen (derby’s rarely are) but it was exciting. Thought Everton as the visiting team and without any decent strikers did very well, Rafa put out a very attacking minded team with Keane, Torres & Kuyt all starting.

Torres is a nightmare to play against prob the best striker in the league IMO and was unlucky, Went down very easy to get Pienaar booked and could of had a penalty but it would have been very very soft.

Everton overall played well bar the useless lump Anichibe he was an embarrassment to the club last night spent most of the day walking around instead of chasing everything down like Cahill was doing and the dive in the box instead of shooting was pathetic I hate to see that crap we ll leave that stuff to cheats like Gerrard.

Baines was the best player for Everton all the back 4 had a great game again ( first goal they let in in something like 10 hours of football )

2 mistakes led to 2 goals Gerrard was given way too much room Neville should have been in there closing him down and Cahill was left unmarked by Skrtel other than that very little between the teams.

Delighted to see Cahil throw Skrtel in to the crowd when he body checked him in the corner there is a difference between sheparding a ball out and what skrtel did

Sunday will be a different game entirely.

[Dillo]

It's not often i'd disagree with you anto but I thought Victor did well last night; he was very strong on the ball, worked hard and was slightly unlucky not to get a penalty. The back four were excellent. Baines was brilliant and I think all the Hibbert doubters should take a good look at themselves. He yet again proved how much of an unsung hero he is in that team. It wasn't a great game by any stretch of the imagination but most definitely a satisfactory result for the toffees!

[DeLorean]

It's not often i'd disagree with you anto but I thought Victor did well last night; he was very strong on the ball, worked hard and was slightly unlucky not to get a penalty. The back four were excellent. Baines was brilliant and I think all the Hibbert doubters should take a good look at themselves. He yet again proved how much of an unsung hero he is in that team. It wasn't a great game by any stretch of the imagination but most definitely a satisfactory result for the toffees!

I agree, I thought Anichebe was very good last night. I think he's a rubbish striker by the way but he spent most of the night on the left wing holding up the ball and used his strength very well. Cahill was immense all night, chased down evrything and won a fee frees. He really deserved his goal at the end and he was very honest in his interview afterwards. I think Liverpool will probably win the cup game the wkd as they will play with less pressure on their shoulders.

[anto1208]

But where is the Vic that used to use his power and pace to break through defences and slot the ball home like in europe ? i think what summed him up last night was when they had a corner the ball was cleared up the pitch he was the closest to the ball but strolled out cahill who started 20 yards behind him ended up 40 yeards in front of him putting pressure on there defenders trying to get it back into the box where was vic Still half way inside his own half !!!

This is his chance to stake a claim on the first team place with everyone else out he should have ran himself into the ground like Cahill did. This now and coupled with an alarming amount of stories of him ignoring kids looking for autographs after games tells me he is getting too big for his boots and needs a swift landing he is the poor mans emile Heskey and he needs to realise this. A championship footballer in both skill and attitude at best.

[an_ceannaire]

Suffering Jebus, you thought Hibbertt was good!!!!!!!:eek:
Did you watch the game atall?? Every single time he tried to pass from possesion, and I am not making a sweeping statement, i am seious, every single time, he gave it away. Every single time. He made one decent tackle and you think that justifys giving Liverpool back possesion every single time he had it......:confused:
Are you completely insane???
Do that to Ronaldo and see what happens!
Hibbert is an embarassment to the shirt. We would be FAR better served with PN at right back and get Castillo into CM
HIBBERT:mad:

[anto1208]

I can remember at least 2 times where he passed it to Pienaar ;)

[an_ceannaire]

I can remember at least 2 times where he passed it to Pienaar ;)

He was aiming for Neville :p

[razor]

If Rafa is to go with a Keane/Torres partnership then I think Gerrard should be thrown out on the right as he was to good effect a couple of yrs back. This would spell the end for the hard working but all round sad excuse for a footballer that is Dirk Kuyt.Alonso needs more freedom in midfield and with Mascherano marshalling the back four he has that, what do you do with Gerrard in that instance, up front behind a lone striker or on the right.
Kuyt was awful last night but he wasn't alone there.

[DeLorean]

Alonso needs more freedom in midfield and with Mascherano marshalling the back four he has that, what do you do with Gerrard in that instance, up front behind a lone striker or on the right.
Kuyt was awful last night but he wasn't alone there.

It's hard to know. I think the Keane/Torres partnership has to be given a chance but not at the expense of Mascherano. That pretty much leaves the only option being Gerrard on the right instead of Kuyt. If after an adequate amount of matches Keane isn't doing his stuff he should be dropped and Gerrard played off Torres. All of this is completely irrelevant anyway because Rafa wants to have Dirk's babies.

[Angus]

It's hard to know. I think the Keane/Torres partnership has to be given a chance but not at the expense of Mascherano. That pretty much leaves the only option being Gerrard on the right instead of Kuyt. If after an adequate amount of matches Keane isn't doing his stuff he should be dropped and Gerrard played off Torres. All of this is completely irrelevant anyway because Rafa wants to have Dirk's babies.

The whole point here is that Rafa is supposed to know this, and is supposed to have a plan when he signed Keane. Keane effectively plays the same role as Stevie Me - Rafa has tried to sell Gerrard twice and tried to sell Alonso last summer.

Rafa clearly has no idea how to play Torres, Keane, Gerrard and Alonso and is demonstrably a spoofer

[old git]

It's hard to know. I think the Keane/Torres partnership has to be given a chance but not at the expense of Mascherano. That pretty much leaves the only option being Gerrard on the right instead of Kuyt. If after an adequate amount of matches Keane isn't doing his stuff he should be dropped and Gerrard played off Torres. All of this is completely irrelevant anyway because Rafa wants to have Dirk's babies.

:D now that would be some ugly babies :D

[razor]

Rafa clearly has no idea how to play Torres, Keane, Gerrard and Alonso and is demonstrably a spooferIs that you Eamo? :D


:D now that would be some ugly babies :DBut surely is no possible, is de facts, no?

[Maroon 7]

Rafa clearly has no idea how to play Torres, Keane, Gerrard and Alonso and is demonstrably a spoofer

A spoofer who has won lots of trophies.

Now I think someone can either agree or disagree with his methods but he's certainly no spoofer.

[anto1208]

Another pretty poor game but again edge of the seat stuff God bless Rafa and his zonal marking I hope he sticks with that for the replay that’s 2 goals in 2 games he has cost them ( and prob the league). Liverpool pretty much outplayed Everton in the 2nd half without threatening there goal too much again the everton back 4 where brilliant all English back four hope cappello was watching because at least 3 of them should be in that squad.

Should have had a penalty when Pienaar was hacked down but as usual you don’t get those at anfield. So it has to be all done again I was hoping it would finish yesterday we could do without an extra game right now.

And again Rafa let himself down complaining about Everton defending ! im all ways amazed when he comes out and says things like that, Sure its not your fault rafa the other team kept defending when ye where trying to score!!! Bizzare.

I’d love to see Liverpool play without Gerrard Allonso Torress Keane and Babel and go to Utd and play attacking football !!! Just take Gerrard and Torres out of that team and it would be very ordinary.

[OwlsFan]

Just take Gerrard and Torres out of that team and it would be very ordinary.


Just take Gerrard out. Torres, his flick apart, did nothing and as I said elsewhere, if it had been Robbie, he would have been substituted.

Yes, the back 4 did well. Jaqielka's distribution is terrible though. All he does is hump the ball upfield even when he has time to find a man. Pity about the keeper's error. I was hoping Liverpool would lose without Robbie. Despite all their possession, Liverpool hardly created a chance.

[anto1208]

Just take Gerrard out. Torres, his flick apart, did nothing and as I said elsewhere, if it had been Robbie, he would have been substituted.

Yes, the back 4 did well. Jaqielka's distribution is terrible though. All he does is hump the ball upfield even when he has time to find a man. Pity about the keeper's error. I was hoping Liverpool would lose without Robbie. Despite all their possession, Liverpool hardly created a chance.

Lesscott and Jags kept him quite (torres) but he is world class only player on their team i would take without thinking about.

I dont know what to make of this rumour that Robbie is joining Everton on loan untill the end of the season, sounds pretty ridiculous apparently he walked out yesterday after being dropped because he was seen telling the bench to F off in the last derby when he was subbed.

I cant see it happening i think back to spurs is the most likely outcome.

[razor]

Pity about the keeper's error. I was hoping Liverpool would lose without Robbie. Despite all their possession, Liverpool hardly created a chance.He was very slow down alright but made a superb point blank save soon after that, but these apart there was very little created.

From all the rumours around it sounds like Keane has had his last chance at Anfield. I'm torn between all the sitters he has missed and the times when he wasn't given a chance.

[Pike B]

Lads, Rafa signs players he thinks will make Liverpool better. He gives them a fair crack at it. If they don't measure up, he doesn't wait around. Shortly after we won the 2005 Champions League, he had a clearout. He shows no mercy. They're out and he moves on. He's ruthless and is dead right if he sells Keane. He's been given plenty of time and chances and he's been terrible. I am an avid Liverpool fan and he is not up to scratch. Simple as that really.

[OwlsFan]

Lads, Rafa signs players he thinks will make Liverpool better. He gives them a fair crack at it. If they don't measure up, he doesn't wait around. Shortly after we won the 2005 Champions League, he had a clearout. He shows no mercy. They're out and he moves on. He's ruthless and is dead right if he sells Keane. He's been given plenty of time and chances and he's been terrible. I am an avid Liverpool fan and he is not up to scratch. Simple as that really.

And who, other than Gerrard and possibly Torres has been "up to scratch" in the Liverpool team of late?

[razor]

And who, other than Gerrard and possibly Torres has been "up to scratch" in the Liverpool team of late?I would say Alonso and with only 2 losses in 34 games this season (too many draws, I know)the defence should be in with a shout.

[Pike B]

And who, other than Gerrard and possibly Torres has been "up to scratch" in the Liverpool team of late?
Carragher. Reina. Skrtel. Alonso. Mascherano. Hyppia. Insua(when he's played).

We are second in the Premiership. You don't get there playing badly.

[OwlsFan]

Carragher. Reina. Skrtel. Alonso. Mascherano. Hyppia. Insua(when he's played).

We are second in the Premiership. You don't get there playing badly.

Yes, you can and Liverpool have. Chelsea are third playing badly and were top.

Haven't been impressed with Mascherano and Carragher isn't the same player as last season. Hasn't Hyppia spent a lot of the season warming his behind on the bench?

[old git]

Carragher. Reina. Skrtel. Alonso. Mascherano. Hyppia. Insua(when he's played).

We are second in the Premiership. You don't get there playing badly.

don't know about that liverpool have managed it so far this season :D:D

[Pike B]

Yes, you can and Liverpool have. Chelsea are third playing badly and were top.

Haven't been impressed with Mascherano and Carragher isn't the same player as last season. Hasn't Hyppia spent a lot of the season warming his behind on the bench?
Hyppia has played and played well. Carra and Masch are always solid. I aint gonna win here am I??

[Roadend]

Hyppia has played and played well. Carra and Masch are always solid. I aint gonna win here am I??

Not really, you seem to have forgotten Keane scored two and was promptly dropped for the next two games.

[Pike B]

Not really, you seem to have forgotten Keane scored two and was promptly dropped for the next two games.
Did you see him against Preston??
I'll say no more..

[Angus]

Did you see him against Preston??
I'll say no more..

It says so much about this once vaunted club that the manager and fans would contemplate dropping a huge signing like Keane, when he has only played 15 games, many as sub, and having not even begun to give him a chance.

Liverpool have a major problem - and it so plain it is funny - Keane and Gerrard play in the same position - end of. The equation here is simple:

a) Rafa did not actually sign him and Keane was signed by Parry
b) Rafa is an idiot
c) Rafa thought Gerrard would leave (having already tried to sell him)
d) Rafa thought he could mould a side playing Gerrard and Keane in the same side

Of these only a) and d) are plausible and I really cannot think of another scenario - Robbie is not an out and out front man - he plays deeper. Gerrard also plays deeper than the strikers but more advanced than midfield.

Either way, the initial plan will take some time or Rafa had no plan - in eitehr case, shut up rafa and stop being an idiot

I was at Anfield this year and Robbie simply does not know where to go - Gerrard, Kuyt and Robbie are all trying to sit in the same position and it is a complete mess.

Liverpool have some super players and are clearly better than most teams but at this level, it is impossible to have a team trying to win the league and still not sure of who is doing what

[Pike B]

It says so much about this once vaunted club that the manager and fans would contemplate dropping a huge signing like Keane, when he has only played 15 games, many as sub, and having not even begun to give him a chance.

Liverpool have a major problem - and it so plain it is funny - Keane and Gerrard play in the same position - end of. The equation here is simple:

a) Rafa did not actually sign him and Keane was signed by Parry
b) Rafa is an idiot
c) Rafa thought Gerrard would leave (having already tried to sell him)
d) Rafa thought he could mould a side playing Gerrard and Keane in the same side

Of these only a) and d) are plausible and I really cannot think of another scenario - Robbie is not an out and out front man - he plays deeper. Gerrard also plays deeper than the strikers but more advanced than midfield.

Either way, the initial plan will take some time or Rafa had no plan - in eitehr case, shut up rafa and stop being an idiot

I was at Anfield this year and Robbie simply does not know where to go - Gerrard, Kuyt and Robbie are all trying to sit in the same position and it is a complete mess.

Liverpool have some super players and are clearly better than most teams but at this level, it is impossible to have a team trying to win the league and still not sure of who is doing what
Thank you for that Angus Hansen.. :p

[old git]

It says so much about this once vaunted club that the manager and fans would contemplate dropping a huge signing like Keane, when he has only played 15 games, many as sub, and having not even begun to give him a chance.

Liverpool have a major problem - and it so plain it is funny - Keane and Gerrard play in the same position - end of. The equation here is simple:

a) Rafa did not actually sign him and Keane was signed by Parry
b) Rafa is an idiot
c) Rafa thought Gerrard would leave (having already tried to sell him)
d) Rafa thought he could mould a side playing Gerrard and Keane in the same side

Of these only a) and d) are plausible and I really cannot think of another scenario - Robbie is not an out and out front man - he plays deeper. Gerrard also plays deeper than the strikers but more advanced than midfield.

Either way, the initial plan will take some time or Rafa had no plan - in eitehr case, shut up rafa and stop being an idiot

I was at Anfield this year and Robbie simply does not know where to go - Gerrard, Kuyt and Robbie are all trying to sit in the same position and it is a complete mess.

Liverpool have some super players and are clearly better than most teams but at this level, it is impossible to have a team trying to win the league and still not sure of who is doing what

super players .. please name . & leave out obious choices gerrard / torres .. clearly better than most teams .. thats a bit of an easy say based on current position definatly not based on form last month or two .. wait untill end of season i still think they are missing 2 good full backs / another centre half / wide player and another striker.. i may be wrong but kuyt / babel / ngog dont do it for me for goalscorers :ball:

[anto1208]

Solid performance again tonight never paniced and got what they deserved in the end and got a load of free socks :D

Liverpool fans let the club down though throwing things at players if even a pair of manky old socks isnt on really, i saw cahill baines and pienaar all getting hit with them

Gosling had a few good touches but for me rodwell stood out 17 years old but you wouldnt think it, solid, confident on the ball, able to pass and not afraid to shoot. And a good cross from VDM :D