Everton and Liverpool discussion

[Roadend]

What do you mean, he's dead right. It wasn't till the last 20 minutes that Liverpool played anyway well last night. 8-0 but look at the amount of mistakes the keeper and defenders made. Nothing like getting carried away with a big scoreline.

[razor]

Besiktas were awful but then they were bad the last day and still beat Liverpool, 8 goals will count for nothing if Liverpool don't get out of the group.
Had Pool got a point in Istanbul it might have made all the difference.

Thought the panel were a tad ungracious after Bill turned on them with the 8 goals, Giles got particularly ratty saying their dismissal of Liverpool was only based around Besiktas turning up, nice save Johnny. Dunphy doesn't half hate Liverpool.
Pool fans shouldn't cod themselves though, 2 more wins required.


Nothing like getting carried away with a big scoreline.Especially at half 4 in the morning. :D

[Roadend]

Well if there is a good time to do it that's it. Some really positive things to come out of last night aprat from scoring 8 were Kewell looking sharp, beating players and whipping in crosses and Arbeloa getting forward a lot. I think Finnan has been a bit reluctant recently to do it.

[mypost]

What do you mean, he's dead right. It wasn't till the last 20 minutes that Liverpool played anyway well last night. 8-0 but look at the amount of mistakes the keeper and defenders made. Nothing like getting carried away with a big scoreline.

I'm not getting carried away, but it's not uncommon for us to rack up big scores. Remember Birmingham, Derby, etc.

We didn't allow them to play last night. A goal up in 20 minutes, 4 up by the hour mark, 8-0 up at the finish. We had 19 shots on target last night, out of 30. They may be poor, but who else will get close to beating them 8-0?? :confused:

Anyone who says that someone didn't play well after winning 8-0, either has an agenda against them, or should never be on a football show again.

[anto1208]

I was happy for crouch he has been treated very badly by rafa and it showed up rafa last night. if he hadnt frozen him out like he did liverpool might not have been out of the tittle race so early .

[Roadend]

liverpool might not have been out of the tittle race so early .


ooh, get you.:)

[reder]

What happened between Dunphy etc and Bill? Was at the game so naturally didnt see it. Does anyone have any footage?

Great result but lets not forget that it is irrelevant if we dont win the last 2 group games and qualify. Lets hope we can push on this weekend and beat Fulham.

[Roadend]

Nothing much really. They were banging on abuot RB's rotation policy and how only Gerrard would get into the other top 4 sides. 8 goals later Bill says they have egg on their face which they try to worm out of.

[anto1208]

What happened between Dunphy etc and Bill? Was at the game so naturally didnt see it. Does anyone have any footage?

Great result but lets not forget that it is irrelevant if we dont win the last 2 group games and qualify. Lets hope we can push on this weekend and beat Fulham.

I didnt see it but having a wild stab in the dark i reckon

PLayers now adays are rubbish/fairies/overpaid we are smarter than the manager and this game will be crap.

Followed by Besiktas didnt show up

Same as every week

[anto1208]

2nil away from home good result but far from comfortable Big vic won the game for us coming on with 15 mins to go winning a penalty then scoring a very good goal to seal it , 5 wins in a row :eek::D

Im happy having artetta first goal scorer and everton to win by 2 goals over 100 euro :D

[drinkfeckarse]

Jeez you're having a stormer this season with the betting Anto!! I've gone for Chelsea this weekend though so I'm expecting your winning run to be shattered ;)

[anto1208]

Jeez you're having a stormer this season with the betting Anto!! I've gone for Chelsea this weekend though so I'm expecting your winning run to be shattered ;)

expecting the same myself !! :D

I cant get over the betting ive withdrawn 1300 from the account and now ive over 100 back in it again started with 20 euro have prob lost 200 on other bets that didnt come off but when you have won that much it doesnt matter , at least ive been smart enough to cash in rather than betting it all again

[anto1208]

Great result at the weekend it was turning into a copy of what happened V utd similar goal near the end but up pops Cahill for his 3rd in 4 games since his return . Brilliant

Good little run put together 5 wins and a draw ìnternational break came just in time to give some of the players a rest they need hopefully now they push on starting with a win over sunderland next weekend .

[KildareFan]

Anto, you said that you voted yes for the move to Kirby. Just wondering if you've seen the latest pictures and video with Alan Stubbs and whether it changes your opinion at all?

[anto1208]

Anto, you said that you voted yes for the move to Kirby. Just wondering if you've seen the latest pictures and video with Alan Stubbs and whether it changes your opinion at all?

Yea i did and sitting in my seat last sat in the main stand with only 1 half of the pitch visible due to a pole in the way sitting on a tiny wooden seat with the back of the seat in front of me digging into my knees ( and im only 6'2" )i was glad i did.

Seen the pics havent seen the vid , pics look fine i think the shop front is a bit tacky and i dont like the way you can see the under side of the stand from the outside hopefully they change that but other than that i think its a class stadium loads of parking and it will be easy to get to .

[reder]

Anto, you said that you voted yes for the move to Kirby. Just wondering if you've seen the latest pictures and video with Alan Stubbs and whether it changes your opinion at all?

Can you post a link to this video please. KildareFan its time Everton moved on, Goodison is well below par for home fans and particularly for away fans.

PS: It's Kirkby!!

[anto1208]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTpzVVsrhRQ

not great quality the last few seconds give you an idea of what it will look like .

[KildareFan]

Can you post a link to this video please. KildareFan its time Everton moved on, Goodison is well below par for home fans and particularly for away fans.

PS: It's Kirkby!!

I can't access youtube here in work so not sure if this is the same as Anto's link.

http://www.destinationkirkby.com/cgis.asp?movie=everton

While the video mightn't look too bad, it's the pictures in here that really fill me with dread

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0400evertonfc/0150kingsdock/tm_headline=revealed-how-everton-and-tesco-could-look-in-kirkby%26method=full%26objectid=20106697%26siteid= 50061-name_page.html

Reder, I'm not aruging that we should stay at Goodison. I've sat in the main behind pillars and been at the back of the Gwladys St end which is looking like through a letterbox. But this move is not right, we don't belong in some poxy retail park, we're not wigan or bolton. The only reason the current board are pushing this so much is because it is the cheapest and easiest option for them. Compare this Kirkby (!!!!) stadium to the Emirates or even liverpool's new design and it just doesn't compare.

[KildareFan]

A pretty good piece on the whole issue



So, once again talk turns to new stadia with the news that the cost of Liverpool's Millenium Falcon-esque effort in the park will rise to a quite frankly frightening, £400 million.


Hot on the heels of that announcement came the release of the destinationkirkby.com website and CGI representation of Stubbsy standing in the middle of a full house of hollering Evertonians in Kirkby.

And very impressive it was too with moving, romantic images of Everton's walk up fan base strolling up to a Goodison match (ironically the same 'walk up' we stand to loose if we move to a stadium on a retail park in Knowsley).

Yes, I know that this subject has been done to death and people have pretty much settled on where they stand on the stadium debate. I know people are very unlikely to change the opinions they have formed, but I believe there are three MAJOR issues that have so far not been explored in anywhere near the level of depth the fans deserve.

I will lay my cards on the table immediately and state my strong anti-'destination Kirkby' stance here and now. I believe it will be disastrous for us to move to this scheme on the grounds of the cost and financing not adding up, dwindling fan base, poor design and aesthestics and cultural and historical loss of identity.)

1. The first issue is one of finance or a question of "Show me the Money!"

For this is the response that most pro-Kirkby fans instinctively come out with whenever the Scotty Rd/Bestway site is mentioned as an alternative to Knowsley. People (quite rightly) want to know where the funding is coming from if a stadium is to be built on the loop and so do I.

However, I would also like to know where the money is coming from for this stadium Tesco are 'giving' us in Kirkby? I think it is a fair question to ask how the club intend to finance the 'world class' stadium we have been promised by Keith Wyness (and by World Class most would define that as UEFA 5 or 4 star standard, capable of hosting UEFA Cup finals, Champions League finals or even World and European matches).

Let us be clear on this point as it seems there's some wildly inaccurate misconceptions flying around when it comes to the costings of this stadium and the burden it will place on us. Talk to the average Evertonian and you will hear the arguement, "Yeah but don't forget Tesco are building us the stadium!"

Let's get this straight....

We are not being "given" a stadium. We are not having a stadium 'built for us'.

Tesco are paying for the design, the land and offering to pay for PART of the labour and construction in a deal with their preferred builders, Barr (the people who brought you the Ricoh Stadium and a host of other aesthetically bland, cheap and generic arenas).

Our club's 'contribution' currently stands at anywhere between £25-30 million and £50 million depending on capacity, fixtures, fittings and features according to Keith Wyness and Terry Leahy. That is bound to increase, possibly even doubling in cost by the time it comes to breaking ground. These costings are based on an ESTIMATE and based on an assumption.

That assumption (and this is VITALLY important) is that world steel prices and the cost of construction does not go up dramatically. Also, AND THIS IS OF VITAL IMPORTANCE TO A CLUB WHICH WILL IN ALL PROBABILITY HAVE TO BORROW HEAVILY, the assumption that the unprecedented levels of low interest rates we currently enjoy remain just that...low.

EVERY economic indicator and historical experience suggests that this will NOT remain the case for long and that the Bank of England will be raising interest rates. They are then likely to rise exponentially year on year to a more realistic level as the world economy goes through a (hopefully slight) economic downturn which we in the UK can only hope to weather; the troubles in America with the 'credit crunch' and housing market problems adding to this.

So in other words, at the moment we are looking in the region of £25-30 million for the cheapest "This'll do for now" option assuming the price of steel and materials stays the same.

If we increase to 55-60k and add all the bells and whistles and luxuries we are looking at a lot more. Again, this being dependent on steel and construction prices remaining pretty much the same.

Either way, Bill Kenwright (bless him and god love him) has not got a great track record of coming up with the investment money in the past, has he? In all probability he will have to borrow it and take a massive risk and chance that there won't be an economic downturn (we are long overdue) or a decline in the fortunes of the Premiership and British football in general.

Suddenly this stadium we are being given or having built for us doesn't seem as much of a gift as you might think. If this thing ends up costing us over £50-£100 million to leave Goodison for a stadium designed by Barr on a Tesco retail park, you would end up asking was it worth leaving Goodison and the city for?

I suppose what I am asking is: Has anyone done a due diligence on the proposed Tesco/Kirkby deal and I mean a proper analysis of ownership, risk, return, etc? If so, release this information to the press and to Everton's shareholders and fans.

2. The question of motives and how this squares with Evertonians.

Let's be fair here, Terry Leahy has been brutally honest with Evertonians and it would be a pretty mean spirited person who wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt that he has the interests of Everton at heart. He's been honest and said that, yes, Tesco stand to make a lot of money out of this proposal.

But let's also be honest and admit that the shareholders of Tesco couldn't give two flying ****s about the success or failure of Everton Football Club. No, the reason for all this haste and overwhelming desire to get Everton on board, greasing their palm with this stadium offer, is to get their scheme past Ruth Kelly's government department.

Tesco/Everton is a planning issue, Everton appear to be the vital piece of the jigsaw for Tesco's retail development to stack up with the planners . Again, let's be clear on this! The land they want has leisure use fixed on it, they have to retain leisure as a major piece of the scheme to get planning through with the minimum of fuss. Without the leisure offering there is a (however large or small) chance that the government will call the project in and/or decline it.

Hicks/Gillete have a vested financial interest in making certain Liverpool are successful and sustainable, do Tesco have that motivation over 5/10/15 years for Everton?

No, the motivation for Tesco goes as far as planning, there's dozens of cases from amateur clubs to big clubs in the UK who have gone down this route with house builders and supermarkets. I can't think of a massively successful partnership, yet, of course you don't hear about Tesco/Asda/Sainsburys/Barratt, etc. having problems.

It is massively important to square this with our love of the club. Again, if we are to take the absolutely monumental decision to leave Goodison Park to join up with these people we've got to be sure of their motives and be able to square it in our heads with our own ambitions.

Are you 100% happy with this union?

3. And finally. Scotty Rd/Bestway.

People are right to be suspicious of this bid from Bestway and the council. Any fair-minded person no matter how anti-Kirkby would have to agree it smacks of too little too late and contains no financial 'bones' at the moment.

However, I am becoming increasingly resentful of Keith Wyness' attitude towards what could be our only back up or might even end up a better solution than the Tesco proposal.

Time and time again he states AS IF FACT that a stadium cannot be delivered on that site and that the funding won't work. Despite carrying out no feasibility study of his own or talking to the potential partners.

Yet it now emerges that H.O.K. the world renowned stadium designers and constructors who built the Millenium Stadium, Emirates and Wembley carried out their own study showing that at the very least a design for a 55-60k stadium is definitely possible on that site, supplying the Echo with their report and feasibility study and even going to the extent of preparing possible preliminary designs for such a stadium.

Make no mistake! The Scotland Road site will not happen. NOT because it is unfeasible, but because Kirkby is Kenwright's insurance policy and the only thing that will keep him at the head of the club and secure his legacy.

The Scotty Road site might well be possible, but it is likely to require outside investment or a takeover. The last thing Kenwright wants?

The question for Evertonians is: Is enough being done to examine in full the other options?

[anto1208]

not taking a dig at the blues on here but it really looks like another generic stadium a la the reebok riverside pride park etc etc.in fairness ye do need the move though so maybe its not all bad.and plastic seats too wow:eek:

I like it i prefere Football stadiums to look like football stadiums and not having adig at liverpools but its horrible it looks like a new terminal to an airport. Whats the point in spending 300 mill ye dont have on a horrible stadium.

evertons is closer to Old trafford 4 sides all level with the option to fill in the corners same as utd did . seats are close to the pitch so you won't loose the atmosphere. The stadium its based on in Germany allways gets good reports on the atmospere.

[mypost]

Whats the point in spending 300 mill ye dont have

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[anto1208]

is uniteds not lower on the side where the camera is a la james park???a new virtual tour of the ground has been relesed too

http://www.w4rc0rpz.net/dLiCi0US.php

Would you mind not posting that kinda stuff .

Note to anyone that does click it : use task manager to shut it down only way i found to turn it off .

[reder]

Evertonians, your opinions please. Is it worth it?Link (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0400evertonfc/0100news/tm_headline=everton-stadium-could-grow-to-75-000%26method=full%26objectid=20144542%26siteid=500 61-name_page.html)

You can barely fill Goodison.

[KildareFan]

Evertonians, your opinions please. Is it worth it?Link (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0400evertonfc/0100news/tm_headline=everton-stadium-could-grow-to-75-000%26method=full%26objectid=20144542%26siteid=500 61-name_page.html)

You can barely fill Goodison.

Not that I'd like to be agreeing with a liverpool fan but a 75000 stadium is ridiculous. Totally stupid but it would never be built.

It's just an excuse for not looking more into the Scotland Road option.

Wyness will be laughed out of the AGM in 2 weeks if he tries to put forward that excuse.

That's my biggest problem with the whole Kirkby move. From day 1, Wyness has said it's the only option. Why???? Why haven't everton looked into other sites and other possibilities??? This guy doesn't care about everton or anything to do with the club. The move is going to effect the club for 100 years or more and we are rushing to the cheapest option. It might have taken them time to get their arse in gear but Liverpool city coucil doesn't want to lose us out of the city, why aren't we willing to listen to what they can offer us. At the very least, the board should sit down with Bestway and discuss the Scotland Road option.

Wyness has some serious questions to answer at the AGM, I hope he has the balls to answer them this time around, not like last year.

[anto1208]

Evertonians, your opinions please. Is it worth it?Link (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0400evertonfc/0100news/tm_headline=everton-stadium-could-grow-to-75-000%26method=full%26objectid=20144542%26siteid=500 61-name_page.html)

You can barely fill Goodison.

It can be increased to 75 we wont need it unless we win 3 or 4 leagues in 10 years and have a similar agressive marketing plan like UTD had . But its good the option is there If england get a world cup it could be increased quite quickly for it .

On the filling of Goodison . You know aswell as i do its full most weeks there will be games that dont sell out same as at every ground average attendence is around 36,000 ( and 5000 are away seats ) but games like liverpool UTD chelsea arsenal etc would fill 55,000 the extra money from these games alone would make it worth while.

selling 36,000 ticket is very good when 10,000 are "restricted view" ive been in seats where you can only see one half of the pitch its asking a lot for someone to go fork out £32 for half the game

Everton 218,523 36,420 (40,000)
Liverpool 263,396 43,899 (45,000)

As you can see neither team can fill the grounds. You should be asking why are liverpool building a 60,000 seater when they cant fill the one they have now.

[an_ceannaire]

Not true mate. Goodison is only ever full for Derby, Man Yoo, Chelski lately and latter FA Cup games. Any other fixture brings in anything from 33-38,000
Always a few empties. Look we would all dearly love to stay in Goodison and idealists and romantics have their valid opinions, but deep down, we all know, we have to move. The Tesco option, whilst on the surface is a little embarassing in the short run, is without doubt the best FINANCIAL option. But, in the long term.....kids from Huyton, Croxteth, Toxteth and so forth. Those kids for generations to come will grow up with only one team in the city, Redshi*e. Liverpool is different in that familys are split. That will end. If you a kid from Liverpool, and you see a club, in your town, with huge success and history, and a club 11 miles outside town with mild success, who are you going to support?
Its a bloody impossible call. We all want to stay in the city, but, can we? In all probablility, no. :(

[anto1208]

Not true mate. Goodison is only ever full for Derby, Man Yoo, Chelski lately and latter FA Cup games. Any other fixture brings in anything from 33-38,000
Always a few empties. Look we would all dearly love to stay in Goodison and idealists and romantics have their valid opinions, but deep down, we all know, we have to move. The Tesco option, whilst on the surface is a little embarassing in the short run, is without doubt the best FINANCIAL option. But, in the long term.....kids from Huyton, Croxteth, Toxteth and so forth. Those kids for generations to come will grow up with only one team in the city, Redshi*e. Liverpool is different in that familys are split. That will end. If you a kid from Liverpool, and you see a club, in your town, with huge success and history, and a club 11 miles outside town with mild success, who are you going to support?
Its a bloody impossible call. We all want to stay in the city, but, can we? In all probablility, no. :(

Thats what i said

What about kids from Kirkby ? wont they start supporting Everton because its next door to them its all relative , most kids start supporting either liverpool or everton due to influence from older brothers dads etc anyway.

it makes no difference to me if they are in the city or not i live in ireland. i have to travel far enough to watch them anyway i can go an extra few miles.

Plus Irish liverpool fans slagging you about the club not being in the city is borderline retarded.

[an_ceannaire]

Anyone else get a little embarassed when watching the derby and realising how much more it means to Irish blues than it does to Irish reds? The brother is a die hard red, but is really not that bothered about the derby and neither are most reds i know. Where as I spend months waiting for it.
Then I get the "your cup final" slags at me
Wrecks my head

[reder]

On the filling of Goodison . You know aswell as i do its full most weeks there will be games that dont sell out same as at every ground average attendence is around 36,000 ( and 5000 are away seats ) but games like liverpool UTD chelsea arsenal etc would fill 55,000 the extra money from these games alone would make it worth while.

selling 36,000 ticket is very good when 10,000 are "restricted view" ive been in seats where you can only see one half of the pitch its asking a lot for someone to go fork out £32 for half the game

Everton 218,523 36,420 (40,000)
Liverpool 263,396 43,899 (45,000)

As you can see neither team can fill the grounds. You should be asking why are liverpool building a 60,000 seater when they cant fill the one they have now.

Fishing ----------->>>>> Catch!!!!!

On the weekend. Everton should easily overcome Sunderland (and I actually wouldnt mind if you win this one |:sick:|). Newcastle has always been a difficult one for us reds. Coupled with the fact that the geordies will be under serious pressure tomorrow after recent matches, I expect a 1-1 draw but hope for a 0-1 win.

[reder]

Anyone else get a little embarassed when watching the derby and realising how much more it means to Irish blues than it does to Irish reds? The brother is a die hard red, but is really not that bothered about the derby and neither are most reds i know. Where as I spend months waiting for it.
Then I get the "your cup final" slags at me
Wrecks my head

As a red, I cant comprend that. I hate the Mancs more than Everton (but that is slowly changing) but the derby will always be the biggest fixture of the year for me personally. No matter, how poor either team is it always will be. (As a fixture, football aside)

[an_ceannaire]

not here
if everton liverpool was on the box there would be a few heads in watching it alright, usually nearly as many blues as reds due to the lack of real interest from many Pool fans. Its the same as playing spurs or newcastle to them.
But pool man yoo pool chelski or pool arsenal and the place is black and they are doign their nuts.

[anto1208]

not here
if everton liverpool was on the box there would be a few heads in watching it alright, usually nearly as many blues as reds due to the lack of real interest from many Pool fans. Its the same as playing spurs or newcastle to them.
But pool man yoo pool chelski or pool arsenal and the place is black and they are doign their nuts.

Does that not answer your own questions there , these great "fans" wont even watch there team when its on the box never mind go to a game. They know nothing about the history of there club and are only interested in slagging other fans. Ive seen them in pubs sitting not watching the match chatting away then a goal goes in and they jump about the place.

There is a pub in limerick where the "supporters"club go and they ll turn up to watch utd and cheer on the other team with more passion than they cheer on there own team . ( one guy even brings his bird :eek:)

But in fairness there are a few proper fans out there.

[anto1208]

As a red, I cant comprend that. I hate the Mancs more than Everton (but that is slowly changing) but the derby will always be the biggest fixture of the year for me personally. No matter, how poor either team is it always will be. (As a fixture, football aside)

This is true , unless there is a cup final or something that would obviously be a bigger game but in terms of league matches its the big one all right. one i look for first on the fixtures anyway.

[an_ceannaire]

Anto
still house??
my local!

[anto1208]

Anto
still house??
my local!

Yip , so you know the gang im talking about :D, buy shots after every goal :rolleyes:

[an_ceannaire]

great spot
and to be fair they are not exclusive
loads of man yoo spurs and so on pennants in there
asked the lad with the long hair, spurs fan to put up an everton one.......no chance! But they have a cantona shirt..........:rolleyes:

[anto1208]

great spot
and to be fair they are not exclusive
loads of man yoo spurs and so on pennants in there
asked the lad with the long hair, spurs fan to put up an everton one.......no chance! But they have a cantona shirt..........::

Yea they arent exclusive they ll promote any bandwagon :D Liverpool, Utd any day now there will be a munster jersey up there ;) . Dont think there is much chance of Ken putting up an Everton Jersey he is a pool fan after all.

Is there any Everton friendly pub in the city the biggest crowd of us i remember was for the champs league qualifier i forget the name of the pub it was down near the new dunnes on the corner or the pedestrian street . That was because it was the only place with channel 5 and thats a bandit bar now so i dont think they even show footy any more.

There might be one or two in Halpins all right.

[an_ceannaire]

Which lad is ken? The small tubby lad with the beard?
There are Munster jerseys everywhere! And Man United stuff! If he will put up man ure surely he would put up an Everton one??
Nevada Smiths is the pub, ya thats Bandit now!!! No chance of an everton pub in Limerick mate, there are about 4 of us! Me, me cousin brian, u and some lad i met in the icon one night wearing a Hafnia shirt :D
The struggle goes on!

[Roadend]

Yip , so you know the gang im talking about :D, buy shots after every goal :rolleyes:

That same crowd often put YNWA, be there a match on or not, on the jukebox and get up and sing it like twas the national anthem, bloody embarrassing.

[Roadend]

Which lad is ken? The small tubby lad with the beard?
There are Munster jerseys everywhere! And Man United stuff! If he will put up man ure surely he would put up an Everton one??
Nevada Smiths is the pub, ya thats Bandit now!!! No chance of an everton pub in Limerick mate, there are about 4 of us! Me, me cousin brian, u and some lad i met in the icon one night wearing a Hafnia shirt :D
The struggle goes on!

I know three others so that's 7, 7 poor souls.:D

[anto1208]

That same crowd often put YNWA, be there a match on or not, on the jukebox and get up and sing it like twas the national anthem, bloody embarrassing.

And they do stupid things like put in on when ferguson is giving his post match interview just to be a bunch of sad asses


Which lad is ken? The small tubby lad with the beard?
There are Munster jerseys everywhere! And Man United stuff! If he will put up man ure surely he would put up an Everton one??
Nevada Smiths is the pub, ya thats Bandit now!!! No chance of an everton pub in Limerick mate, there are about 4 of us! Me, me cousin brian, u and some lad i met in the icon one night wearing a Hafnia shirt :D
The struggle goes on!

Yea navada smiths thats the one , Bandit country now . Think there was 7 everton fans in that night :D . used to be a guy that went to the lim matches that would shout things in to the ticket collection hole at me when he saw the everton crest. thats the only one i met .



Ken is the "Larger" gentleman with the red hair and beard.

[KildareFan]

Has Benitez gone insane? Here is the transcript from his press conference yesterday. He really is a tosser

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=transcript-of-the-liverpool-manager-rafa-benitez-when-questioned-by-the-press%26method=full%26objectid=20150037%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html

Moyes found it funny though and took the p*ss out of him today (video)

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/videos-pictures/videos/everton-fc-videos/2007/11/22/david-moyes-looks-ahead-to-everton-s-premier-league-match-with-sunderland-100252-20152724/

[shaneker]

Has Benitez gone insane? Here is the transcript from his press conference yesterday. He really is a tosser

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=transcript-of-the-liverpool-manager-rafa-benitez-when-questioned-by-the-press%26method=full%26objectid=20150037%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html

Moyes found it funny though and took the p*ss out of him today (video)

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/videos-pictures/videos/everton-fc-videos/2007/11/22/david-moyes-looks-ahead-to-everton-s-premier-league-match-with-sunderland-100252-20152724/

That...is...HYSTERICAL!!!

[CollegeTillIDie]

I take it the reason why this thread is on foot.ie because Liverpudlians consider their city to be the capitol city of All Ireland, therefore that makes Liverpool and Everton ( and Tranmere) ''Irish'' clubs by association in a manner of speaking ! :D

[anto1208]

7-1 Biggest win in 11 years what a great game. Sunderland in fairness to them where not that bad they had chances just a few silly mistakes and meeting everton in top form.

As we have been saying injury free we have a great team but missing any players is really noticabe thats our first gmae with everyone fit. 5 goals in 7 now for Cahill. Wonder how we will fair when 4 of the first team go off to Africa for 6 weeks after xmas.

Fairly ****ed off with RTE as well couldnt get to the game or see it on tv so i watched it on the laptop on a little screen that kept jumping so i settled in to the premiership thinking they wont have a better game to show that they will show Utd as they all ways do but surely we are up second as there was 8 goals in the game but no yet again up last, didnt show the build up to any of the goals didnt show any of the other chances any of the brilliant skill Artetta came out with. No replays of the goals no interview with Moyes and after that they spoke about Sunderland !!!!!! not one mention of everton :mad:

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And they do stupid things like put in on when ferguson is giving his post match interview just to be a bunch of sad asses

Yea navada smiths thats the one

Its a 'Liverpool' pub also. Horrible kip full a morons who I am embarrassed to have to refer to a supporters of Liverpool. I got called a scouse b by one of the when I was in there. Brave lad ran away when he saw me outside.
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Has Benitez gone insane? Here is the transcript from his press conference yesterday. He really is a tosser


Well KildareFan, you have just sunk to a new love. You obviously dont know that facts of the situation. I presume that you dont know Rafa personally so your evaluation is based on his footballing record.

There is a seriously bad undercurrent at the club at the moment between Rafa and G+H. Much as I didnt hold the previous ownership in great light, I never wanted our club to fall into these b*st*rds hands. After the takeover one fan had a banner saying 'Liverpool FC R.I.P' and he got it 100% correct.

Anto, how bad were Sunderland and how good were you? 3-0 easy away win for us. Newcastle were terrible, and thats being generous, would could/should have run up a cricket score. Roll on Porto.

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Well KildareFan, you have just sunk to a new love. You obviously dont know that facts of the situation. I presume that you dont know Rafa personally so your evaluation is based on his footballing record.

There is a seriously bad undercurrent at the club at the moment between Rafa and G+H. Much as I didnt hold the previous ownership in great light, I never wanted our club to fall into these b*st*rds hands. After the takeover one fan had a banner saying 'Liverpool FC R.I.P' and he got it 100% correct.

Anto, how bad were Sunderland and how good were you? 3-0 easy away win for us. Newcastle were terrible, and thats being generous, would could/should have run up a cricket score. Roll on Porto.



No, it's based on his pathetic moaning to the press. No matter what sort of row he is having with the owners, is there really a need to repeat the same sentence to the press 15 times like some petulant child? He has shown a lack of class before such as saying that Lescott dived in the recent derby or the "small club" jibe after last year's anfield derby. He has spent 150m and still wants to spend more money even though he has wasted a lot of that on very average players. I don't like the man, based on his appearances in the media, but I hope he stays liverpool manager because he will never win the league for them in my opinion.

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Its a 'Liverpool' pub also. Horrible kip full a morons who I am embarrassed to have to refer to a supporters of Liverpool. I got called a scouse b by one of the when I was in there. Brave lad ran away when he saw me outside.
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:D See this is why we hate liverpool fans in ireland there are just so many of these kinda guys that the real fans get lost , its not the team i dont like i wouldnt look for there result or hope they loose it doesnt really bother me unless i have them backed in the pools.


Well KildareFan, you have just sunk to a new love. You obviously dont know that facts of the situation. I presume that you dont know Rafa personally so your evaluation is based on his footballing record.

There is a seriously bad undercurrent at the club at the moment between Rafa and G+H. Much as I didnt hold the previous ownership in great light, I never wanted our club to fall into these b*st*rds hands. After the takeover one fan had a banner saying 'Liverpool FC R.I.P' and he got it 100% correct.

Anto, how bad were Sunderland and how good were you? 3-0 easy away win for us. Newcastle were terrible, and thats being generous, would could/should have run up a cricket score. Roll on Porto.

Ive found Rafa's moaning a bit much this season Fixture conspiracy transfer funs etc etc , everyone plays the same amount of games and he has had more than enough money to spend.

Sunderland where bad you have to be to loose by 7 but not as bad as some have made out they had chances and scored and came close on a few occasions its just Everton s best performanc eunder moyes and bags of luck as well it seemed like everything they did came off. Artetta had a great game. There is a lot of talent now across the middle with Him Cahill Osman and Pienaar ( a must buy for moyes in jan ) and then Carsley to break up the play. 3 winnable game s coming up before xmas .

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Sunderland where bad you have to be to loose by 7

They were certainly loose at the back....:o