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Nope, I am actually relieved we got out of there with a point particularly twice behind...I have said that there is one challenge left for this current team - to show that despite the recent run that they can go behind to a very difficult team (Bolton's home record shows that) and not fall apart like last season and come away with at least a point..
I wonder if *this* game will be the match that mypost considers worthy of analysis........;) :rolleyes:
JoeSemi
02/01/2006, 5:33 PM
He was thought that at Liverpool ;)
Unlikely he was 'thought' it at Liverpool. He may have taught himself though.;)
sligoman
02/01/2006, 5:44 PM
Unlikely he was 'thought' it at Liverpool. He may have taught himself though.;)Correcting spelling mistakes, how lame:rolleyes:.
Diouf was always(since coming to the Premiership anyway) a dirty player. This was proven when he spat at a Celtic fan while playing for Liverpool and also spat at someone else while playing for Bolton too:mad:.
JoeSemi
02/01/2006, 6:02 PM
Nope, I am actually relieved we got out of there with a point particularly twice behind...I have said that there is one challenge left for this current team - to show that despite the recent run that they can go behind to a very difficult team (Bolton's home record shows that) and not fall apart like last season and come away with at least a point..
I wonder if *this* game will be the match that mypost considers worthy of analysis........;) :rolleyes:
Haven't seen any footage yet so I'm going to reserve judgement on how well they played today but from what I hear they never let up attacking in the second-half, only for that phlegm-thrower to catch us napping on the counter. Before the game I couldn't see how they'd get a win and it proved to be the case. Bolton are a dogged shower like Everton were last season and Big Sam always gets them mixing it with the big teams. For them not to go to pieces today after going behind twice shows the belief the team have now, and also the squad depth that Rafa has at his disposal.
Is there any doubt that mypost will focus on the negatives?;)
mypost
02/01/2006, 7:42 PM
Chelsea beat Bolton, the Mancs beat Bolton, Everton won at Bolton, Did we?? Noooooooooooooo. :mad:
the end of a very hectic Christmas schedule...
:rolleyes:
Bugger Christmas schedule. If I was getting paid €75-100k to play 4 games a week, having had the previous week OFF, I wouldn't be whinging.
Next up is a repeat of the 1987 FA Cup 3rd Round tie at Luton. We lost 0-3 then, so it's time for revenge. :ball:
sligoman
02/01/2006, 7:45 PM
the Mancs beat BoltonIndeed they did, 4-1 I believe:p.
Great post there mypost, what do ya think dfx?;) :D.
De Town
02/01/2006, 8:48 PM
Unlikely he was 'thought' it at Liverpool. He may have taught himself though.;)
big wow....spelling mistake:rolleyes:
De Town
02/01/2006, 8:49 PM
Indeed they did, 4-1 I believe:p.
EASY EASY EASY!!!!!:p
Is there any doubt that mypost will focus on the negatives?;)
I've only seen the goals still, but I'll take it. I think what you mean above is that mypost will find the negatives - either that or *create* some:rolleyes: ;)
(I am led to believe from glancing through that mypost has *selected* his results and not comparing like with like, so no change there then - you know comparing 12th in Sept '05 to 5th in May '05 etc etc...Chelsea have not played Bolton away neither have Man United, but he's comparing results against the home Bolton to the away Bolton. The fact that Bolton only conceded twice before today and now conceded as many today is beyond him - oh and the result he didn't quote was Arsenal who did indeed[I] go to Bolton, but I can't be arsed arguing it again and again and again)
sligoman
02/01/2006, 11:15 PM
The fact that Bolton only conceded twice before today and now conceded as many today is beyond himYeah, but Liverpool hadn't conceded many lately and had won their last 8 or 9(?), and now conceded two in the one game = It's a sinking ship in Anfield at the moment:D :p.
Yeah, but Liverpool hadn't conceded many lately and had won their last 8 or 9(?), and now conceded two in the one game = It's a sinking ship in Anfield at the moment.
Desperation obviously sinking in at Old Trafford then...
Oh and it was 10, btw...;) :p
sligoman
02/01/2006, 11:22 PM
Desperation obviously sinking in at Old Trafford then...
Oh and it was 10, btw...;)Who cares how many, it's over now and nobody will remember that "run" when ye go on a losing streak from here;).
and no, desperation is not sinking in at OT:p.
mypost
03/01/2006, 1:02 AM
(I am led to believe from glancing through that mypost has *selected* his results [i.e. creating negatives] and not comparing like with like, so no change there then - Chelsea have not played Bolton away neither have Man United, but he's comparing results against the home Bolton to the away Bolton. I can't be arsed arguing it again and again and again)
You are admitting that you can't argue the b&w evidence, I take it? :confused:
Only one team won at Bolton, but that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that they beat Bolton, and we didn't.
The gap to the top now stands at 6 matches and 17 points.....by January. :mad:
jockser
03/01/2006, 9:38 AM
You are admitting that you can't argue the b&w evidence, I take it? :confused:
Only one team won at Bolton, but that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that they beat Bolton, and we didn't.
The gap to the top now stands at 6 matches and 17 points.....by January. :mad:
Behave yourself and stop acting like a spoilt kid. we won the previous 10 games before that and thats all you can do to try catch the leaders. Chelsea are just too strong to be caught by anyone this year. Liverpool will finish 2nd based on current form. Is that not enough of an improvement on last year? The answer is YES it is!
Now pick up your dummy and go sulk somewhere else
jockser
03/01/2006, 9:39 AM
:eek:
Ahem...
Crouch revised total:
3 in 6 months!!!
More tripe!
Crouch scored 7 goals in december.
*holds head in hands*
Oh dear God.......
Bolton's home form is irrelevant when considering a match away to Bolton according to mypost.......
*falls down in laughter*
:D :D :D
jockser
03/01/2006, 12:16 PM
Who cares how many, it's over now and nobody will remember that "run" when ye go on a losing streak from here;).
and no, desperation is not sinking in at OT:p.*Tumbel weed blows through*
:D
mypost
03/01/2006, 12:24 PM
More tripe!
Crouch scored 7 goals in december.
What have you been reading??? :confused:
Own goals, and "goals" in friendlies don't count. Gerrard's goal in said friendly also doesn't count.
Comprendez???????
anto1208
03/01/2006, 12:54 PM
i see sissoko was at it again stamping , when i think of how out-raged liverpool fans were about essein !! and told me not to drag up the past well here is a fresh "tackle" for ye , he should be banned for 3 games aswell .
jockser
03/01/2006, 3:01 PM
What have you been reading??? :confused:
Comprendez???????
LOL i havent been reading anything the FACT IS he scored 7 goals for liverpool last month (one of which against newcastle has gone to the dubious goals committee which is rediculous anyway) There were no friendlies involved, and were all competitive goals :rolleyes:
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/squad/crouch/
Next!
i see sissoko was at it again stamping , when i think of how out-raged liverpool fans were about essein !! and told me not to drag up the past well here is a fresh "tackle" for ye , he should be banned for 3 games aswell .
If you are trying to compare Sissoko's stamp on Diouf to Essien's *ahem* challenge on Hamann, then it is incorrect. Yes, Sissoko probably will be suspended, but it goes nowhere near Essien.
You may have posted about friendlies, mypost, but there were no friendlies and Crouch has scored 7 goals in December for Liverpool, ergo he has scored 7 goals. Incidentally who has 'revised Crouch's total'? Was it FIFA? FA? UEFA? Or just your own interpretation perhaps?;) :rolleyes:
You are admitting that you can't argue the b&w evidence
Here's some black and white for you, then......I won't argue though - it's like arguing with a boomerang, I will merely put forward my line for everyone else to make sure that people don't think you are the voice of rational thinking amongst Liverpool supporters...
21 games played and Chelsea have dropped 5 points and are on 2.8 points per game.
Liverpool are on a very respectable 41 points from 19 games (2.2 points per game).
To put things in perspective, when we had our 11 game winning run in 1982 we finished on 87 points from 42 games (2.1 points per game) and that team had the likes of Hansen, Dalglish, Rush, Souness in it.
A good argument is that around 2 points per game (like we are on now) used to mean you were RIGHT in contention for the league but due to Chelsea unlimited riches and strength in depth (yes, and a decent manager) the bar has been raised big time and at the current rate Chelsea would stand to amass 116 points from a 42 game season (remember we got 87 in 1982).
Note the words to put things in perspective - look them up in a dictionary and then use them in future before you 'revise totals' etc... ;)
sligoman
03/01/2006, 3:44 PM
Diouf was always(since coming to the Premiership anyway) a dirty player. This was proven when he spat at a Celtic fan while playing for Liverpool and also spat at someone else while playing for Bolton too:mad:.Speaking of dirty players....after seeing the two incidents last night, it looks like Gerrard and Sissoko were extremely lucky to avoid a straight red card. Disgracful play, especially from Gerrard considering he is the captain:mad:
Redtop
03/01/2006, 5:11 PM
the FA are not considering action against them
anto1208
03/01/2006, 10:10 PM
finally the everton players are playing with a bit of fight in them now great stuff v charlton 3 goals !!! one dissaloud (perfectly good ) and hit the post twice ... moyes was left speachless after the game
mypost
03/01/2006, 11:04 PM
after seeing the two incidents last night, it looks like Gerrard and Sissoko were extremely lucky to avoid a straight red card. Disgracful play, especially from Gerrard considering he is the captain:mad:
Aaaah, I see!! :rolleyes: When a Liverpool player is hacked by the opposition, you choose not to see it, but as soon as one of our players makes a risqué tackle, you want the book thrown at him. :mad:
Fyi, both Gerrard and Nolan have dismissed Gerrard's tackle as an accident. Sissoko's challenge was also accidental. The referee has admitted that he saw both challenges, and didn't need to take further action against our players. Unlike Bolton and Everton, we are not a dirty team.
mypost
03/01/2006, 11:17 PM
LOL i havent been reading anything
There's a surprise. :rolleyes:
the FACT IS he scored 7 goals for liverpool last month. There were no friendlies involved, and were all competitive goals
The goals in the "competitive" (:D) matches against Saprissa are akin to scoring goals in pre-season friendly competitions.
Milan Baros and Fernando Morientes scored in friendlies against Wrexham and Olympiakos in July. Do they count in this season's goal tally??
No, thought not. Likewise, goals in friendly tournaments in Japan also don't count.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/squad/crouch/
The club doesn't recognise own goals. Likewise, I don't recognise goals scored in friendly tournaments. Crouch has scored 3 goals, end of argument. His strike rate is frankly embarrassing when you consider that he has played every game for 6 months, and is a reason why we are currently 17 points off the leaders. :(
jockser
04/01/2006, 8:28 AM
Speaking of dirty players....after seeing the two incidents last night, it looks like Gerrard and Sissoko were extremely lucky to avoid a straight red card. Disgracful play, especially from Gerrard considering he is the captain:mad:
Stop being daft. Gerards tackle was an accident. Nolan said it himself :rolleyes:
jockser
04/01/2006, 8:41 AM
The goals in the "competitive" (:D) matches against Saprissa are akin to scoring goals in pre-season friendly competitions.LOL but this was a competitive competition. WE DONT CARE what YOU think the FACT is that it IS a competitive competition. What is not getting accross here duh?:rolleyes:
Let me guess....If crouch scored against a non league team in the FA cup you would not consider that a goal either?? LMFAO
Milan Baros and Fernando Morientes scored in friendlies against Wrexham and Olympiakos in July. Do they count in this season's goal tally?? EH no coz they are friendlies duh!
No, thought not. Likewise, goals in friendly tournaments in Japan also don't count.some people will swear black is white just for the sake of it. Look i dunno what world you live in but on this planet the world club championship is not a friendly tournament
The club doesn't recognise own goals. Likewise, I don't recognise goals scored in friendly tournaments.Again we dont really care what you think the fact is that he scored 7 goals in december
Crouch has scored 3 goals, end of argument. 7 goals end of
His strike rate is frankly embarrassing when you consider that he has played every game for 6 months, and is a reason why we are currently 17 points off the leaders. LMAO its all crouchs fault. What are the other teams reason then? crouch also? or that they didnt sign owen? LOL The only thing thats embarrassing round here is your knowledge and analysis of football :D
Kingdom
04/01/2006, 9:07 AM
3 words.
Add. Ignore. List.
anto1208
04/01/2006, 10:35 AM
can we get off the friendly comp debate its ridiculous , if liverpool fans want to think its a proper comp then fine let them think that .
the goal v wigan was and own goal how the gave him that i dont know . the ball was nt going in then changed direction by about 80 degrees came down and was knocked in by the keeper . the one v newcastle hit the post came out hit given and went in .
at a stretch you could say he has 5 goals
anto1208
04/01/2006, 10:39 AM
I'm tired of this, I follow Everton, fair enough, I hate Liverpool, but I wish people would give Crouch some credit.
this all started from liverpool fans slagging beattie saying he is rubbish ,we were just pointing out that crouch has 7 goals in 30ish ( if you count the 2 in japan and the 2 own goals ) games while beattie has 6 goals in 16
razor
04/01/2006, 10:45 AM
Good piece in todays Examiner Arena from Stephen Kelly on the derby
http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/supplements/Arena/Full_Story/did-sgPSHFOtQ5C6Ysg7IQHSmeYhNE.asp
jockser
04/01/2006, 12:06 PM
Good piece in todays Examiner Arena from Stephen Kelly on the derby
http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/supplements/Arena/Full_Story/did-sgPSHFOtQ5C6Ysg7IQHSmeYhNE.asp
Great stuff :D
What a year 2005 was for Liverpool. Absolutely fantastic! (in my opinion before i get slaughtered!)
anto1208
04/01/2006, 12:13 PM
just finished reading that nonsence ,
what tripe
what about
Songs like “2-0 to the murderers” and “in for a week and out for 10 years (Everton in Europe)” .
liverpool fans now think heysel is funny !!!! and something to sing about WTF !!!!.
the rubbish about if you take evertons total for half a season its 20 points
its typical liverpool fan rubbish ignoring facts to make his outragous point
1: since when does half a season count for anything
2: last 3 years everton have got 59 ,39, 61 points ( if you add them up and get an average for 1/2 a season its 26.5 ) liverpool's is just over 30 points
JoeSemi
04/01/2006, 2:41 PM
I've only seen the goals still, but I'll take it. I think what you mean above is that mypost will find the negatives - either that or *create* some:rolleyes: ;)
(I am led to believe from glancing through that mypost has *selected* his results and not comparing like with like, so no change there then - you know comparing 12th in Sept '05 to 5th in May '05 etc etc...Chelsea have not played Bolton away neither have Man United, but he's comparing results against the home Bolton to the away Bolton. The fact that Bolton only conceded twice before today and now conceded as many today is beyond him - oh and the result he didn't quote was Arsenal who did indeed[I] go to Bolton, but I can't be arsed arguing it again and again and again)
'Find' would have been more appropriate alright. He has concocted a few selective statistics in his time and he hasn't failed to let us down again!
Was really impressed with the Redmen the other day in an attacking sense and it seems like Kewell is beginning to show the kind of form that earned him a move to Liverpool in the first place. Praise has been coming his way from both manager and fans alike over the holiday period, and this may be a significant turning point in his Liverpool career.
The only incidents of concern were the mistakes at the back and the alleged stamps by Gerrard and Sissoko. Although the FA haven't acted i'm not utterly convinced that both players didn't go in with intent. In Sissoko's case especially I think Rafa needs to have a more than stern word in his ear about some of his challenges. While only 20 he needs to watch himself and learn a thing or two from a player like Hamann, who doesn't have to cover miles because of his positional acumen. I'd hate to see the lad branded in the same bracket as Essien; although an 'over-exuberant' challenge on Diouf was probably merited.:D
Kewell didn't do well against Bolton though from what I saw...and I think it's now aty the stage where he needs a goal to take the form up a notch - he should have scored at home to Newcastle and/or West Brom and didn't..
The tackle by Sissoko was what I was expecting and fearing when he arrived - I always think he has legs like Traore in that he thinks sliding is a far better option when it's not. The difference being he can win the ball irrespective unlike Traore. I really expected to be sent off more than he has been and it's no coinceidence that the games he has been sent off in or has had trouble in staying on have been away to 'British' teams like Sunderland, Everton and Bolton where his physical side can run away with him. Otherwise I have been extremely pleasantly impressed by him and particularly the performance away at Chelsea in the CL - Roy Keane like coverage of the pitch. I would nearly go as far as saying that if he can control himself in the games above, his abscence in the team might prove as vital as Gerrard not being there. I think he is far better than Hamann at doing exactly that and more than Hamann does..
Oh and he got away with it on Monday.......:D
mypost
05/01/2006, 2:14 AM
Let me guess....If crouch scored against a non league team in the FA cup you would not consider that a goal either??
He will have scored, if he scores himself, and not rely on the opposition to do it for him. :rolleyes:
What are the other teams reason then? crouch also? or that they didnt sign owen?
As a Liverpool fan, it's not up to me to comment on other teams' weaknesses. However, it looks as though it is up to me, to point out our weaknesses compared to our rivals.
Look i dunno what world you live in but on this planet the world club championship is not a friendly tournament.
Again we dont really care what you think the fact is that Crouch scored 7 goals in december
What you care or don't care about is immaterial, imo. As someone once said, "You have the right to be wrong".
On both counts!!
JoeSemi
05/01/2006, 4:20 PM
As a Liverpool fan, it's not up to me to comment on other teams' weaknesses. However, it looks as though it is up to me, to point out our weaknesses compared to our rivals.
Liverpool fan?! You must be joking? It isn't imho 'up to' anyone on here to make a judgement on any Liverpool player or any rivals, be it informed or ill-informed. I'd imagine thats why the club has employed top people to do as much and because it is their job, it is 'up to' them to analyse things, as that is what they are paid to do. We can all have a say (some more sensible than others!), but what counts is what is happening in the club and not outside.
What you care or don't care about is immaterial, imo. As someone once said, "You have the right to be wrong".
**********STOP PRESS********
Mypost in truth shocker......
Touché indeed ;)
JoeSemi
05/01/2006, 4:33 PM
Roy Keane like coverage of the pitch.
:eek:
Kewell definitely needs a goal, but his all round contribution over the last few games has been very encouraging. He was MOM in many media reports and, generally, journalists aren't too quick to dish out praise to Kewell, whether it is merited or not.
He definitely covers more ground than Hamann, and Liverpool are better for him in the team; but if he could combine elements of Hamann's game with his then he will become an exceptional midfield player i.e knowing when to stay on his feet and being more composed on the ball. It will come, and maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit in wanting him to be on a par with the best already. He is raw and thats why there is probably so much high expectations for the lad.
It won't take very long for Sissoko to bring in Hamann's abilities, a year or two maybe. Now Hamann is there for another seson and a half, he should be able to pass on some calmness and square-passability to Sissoko. It's a perfect combination from Benitez, imo Hamann gets to play less as he's older and still gets more from the same type of player whilst learning Hamann's qualities so that when he does go, Sissoko is almost the finished article.
Hamann takes things too easy at times, he won't pass the ball forward if he can possibly get away with it, it'll go through Alonso or Carragher or Hyypia instead. Add this to Sissoko's urge to get forward more, all he needs is Hamann's composure instead of jumping in - and only for the 'British' matches at that. I think that it won't be too long before he gets that from Hamann as Didi plays less and less.
I wouldn't however want to completely curb Sissoko's sliding tackle ability though - just temper it for the likes of Everton etc. who will target him..
sligoman
07/01/2006, 5:38 PM
I'm sure if we lose tonight or whenever we lose Luton maybeHope you put money on that cos it's gonna happen:p. 3-1 to Luton now, oh class:D
M@ttitude
07/01/2006, 6:25 PM
5-3 to Pool, oh class!! Just practicing our comebacks for Europe.
mypost
07/01/2006, 7:38 PM
Hope you put money on that cos it's gonna happen:p. 3-1 to Luton now, oh class
Getting ahead of yourself there Sligoman, eh?? :D :D
sligoman
07/01/2006, 8:39 PM
Hope you put money on that cos it's gonna happen. 3-1 to Luton now, oh classErm, I eat my words so:o
Getting ahead of yourself there Sligoman, eh??You can grin now but I'm sure you we're ready to come on here and give out like feck about Liverpool when they were down 3-1 were'nt you? Enough said;).
What a fecking game for a neutral, 8 goals(most of which were crackers), 2 penalties and just great end to end stuff. Liverpool were extremely lucky to come away with a win in the end though, played very bad for most of it(even Gerrard admitted that) and the scoreline really flattered Pool. I feel sorry for Luton, deserved a replay at least(any Pool fan who disagrees seriously needs to watch the match again).
I hear choking at Anfield, that defensive record is getting worse every week, conceding 3 against a fairly average Championship team:eek:.
If you are 3-1 up and lose 3-5, then you don't deserve to win.....
You can also be very poor for 55-60 minutes and come back and win if you like - the game is 90 minutes long, Luton forgot that and burned themselves out after 60......:rolleyes:
conceding 3 against a fairly average Championship team
Lucky we only scored 5 in response then...:p
Play badly, score 5, through to the next round, miss a penalty, manager make the vital substitution......I'll take that..:p
De Town
07/01/2006, 10:31 PM
great game for the neutral although I was obviously supporting Luton. Xabi Alonso's 2 goals were absolute crackers. Gerrards reaction to Alonso taking the shot from inside his own half was hilarious :D And then he goes and falls over when he is getting interviewed :D
sligoman
07/01/2006, 10:54 PM
Gerrards reaction to Alonso taking the shot from inside his own half was hilarious, And then he goes and falls over when he is getting interviewed :DThey were the two most entertaining parts of the whole match. Gerrard slipping, saying "Woah, I hope that doesn't go out on tv". Classic:D. Alonso was trying desperately not to laugh:p.
mypost
08/01/2006, 1:11 AM
You can grin now but I'm sure you we're ready to come on here and give out like feck about Liverpool when they were down 3-1 were'nt you?
Well, if you weren't so cocky when it was 1-3, I wouldn't have to laugh at you. We are the comeback kings. Just ask Luton, Olympiakos, AC Milan,......... :D
great game for the neutral although I was obviously supporting Luton.
Yeah, I wonder how many neutrals were supporting us?? :confused:
sligoman
08/01/2006, 1:13 AM
Well, if you weren't so cocky when it was 1-3, I wouldn't have to laugh at you. We are the comeback kings. Just ask Luton, Olympiakos, AC Milan,......... :D Still didn't answer my question though did you?:rolleyes:.
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