Everton and Liverpool discussion

[Dillo]

Did ye see Steven Gerrard pictured on the back of the Irish Mirror today? He was dislaying his ar$e to Crouchy for target practice and Crouchy still couldn't hit the target!!:o Tells us all we need to know. :rolleyes: :p

[anto1208]

[QUOTE=4tothefloor]Oh wow, he's streets ahead then :rolleyes: QUOTE]

well yes he is 2 goals is more than no goals . 2 goals from his first 3 games this year , crouch who has what 0 goals from what 9 or 10 games ?

biggest waste of money since kewell .

[Dillo]

Zero goals from 14 Anto! I see Crouch intends jumping into the kop whenever he does manage to score! We'll be a while waiting though. :p

[anto1208]

Zero goals from 14 Anto! I see Crouch intends jumping into the kop whenever he does manage to score! We'll be a while waiting though. :p

wow thats rubbish 14 games no goals ... i think that says it all really .

over 20 mill worth of strikers in crouch and cisse :D

[4tothefloor]

over 20 mill worth of strikers in crouch and cisse :D
You know what's even funnier? West Brom 4 - 0 Everton, ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :p

[dfx-]

Is Everton's 'revival' over with then..? Have teams worked them out already.............?:eek: Surely not..

Another quiet week for the Liverpool begrudgers this week...sorry lads, I'm sure you don't mind.;)

[sligoman]

Another quiet week for the Liverpool begrudgers this week...sorry lads, I'm sure you don't mind.Liverpool, ha, oh yeah, congrats ye managed to beat the European class that is Portsmouth;). Well done Sir:rolleyes: :D.

[dfx-]

Do we have to beat European class like *Charlton* or *West Brom* every week..........?:p

[sligoman]

Do we have to beat European class like *Charlton* or *West Brom* every week..........?:p
Chelsea 13 11 1 1 31 7 34
Wigan Ath 12 8 1 3 15 8 25
Man United 12 7 3 2 19 12 24
Arsenal 12 7 2 3 19 10 23
Bolton Wndrs 12 7 2 3 14 11 23
Man City 13 6 3 4 15 11 21
Tottenham H 12 5 5 2 13 8 20
Liverpool 11 5 4 2 12 8 19
Charlton Ath 12 6 1 5 17 17 19
West Ham Utd 11 5 3 3 15 10 18
Blackburn R 13 5 3 5 15 15 18
Newcastle U 13 5 3 5 12 13 18
M'brough 12 4 3 5 15 16 15
Fulham 12 3 3 6 12 16 12
Aston Villa 13 3 3 7 13 22 12
West Brom A 13 3 2 8 13 22 11
Portsmouth 13 2 4 7 11 18 10
Everton 12 3 1 8 4 16 10
Birmingham C 12 1 3 8 7 17 6
Sunderland 13 1 2 10 12 27 5

:p :D.

[dfx-]

Chelsea 13 11 1 1 31 7 34
Wigan Ath 12 8 1 3 15 8 25
Man United 12 7 3 2 19 12 24
Arsenal 12 7 2 3 19 10 23
Bolton Wndrs 12 7 2 3 14 11 23
Man City 13 6 3 4 15 11 21
Tottenham H 12 5 5 2 13 8 20
Liverpool 11 5 4 2 12 8 19
Charlton Ath 12 6 1 5 17 17 19
West Ham Utd 11 5 3 3 15 10 18
Blackburn R 13 5 3 5 15 15 18
Newcastle U 13 5 3 5 12 13 18
M'brough 12 4 3 5 15 16 15
Fulham 12 3 3 6 12 16 12
Aston Villa 13 3 3 7 13 22 12
West Brom A 13 3 2 8 13 22 11
Portsmouth 13 2 4 7 11 18 10
Everton 12 3 1 8 4 16 10
Birmingham C 12 1 3 8 7 17 6
Sunderland 13 1 2 10 12 27 5


:ball: ;)

[sligoman]

Chelsea 13 11 1 1 31 7 34
Wigan Ath 12 8 1 3 15 8 25
Man United 12 7 3 2 19 12 24
Arsenal 12 7 2 3 19 10 23
Bolton Wndrs 12 7 2 3 14 11 23
Man City 13 6 3 4 15 11 21
Tottenham H 12 5 5 2 13 8 20
Liverpool 11 5 4 2 12 8 19
Charlton Ath 12 6 1 5 17 17 19
West Ham Utd 11 5 3 3 15 10 18
Blackburn R 13 5 3 5 15 15 18
Newcastle U 13 5 3 5 12 13 18
M'brough 12 4 3 5 15 16 15
Fulham 12 3 3 6 12 16 12
Aston Villa 13 3 3 7 13 22 12
West Brom A 13 3 2 8 13 22 11
Portsmouth 13 2 4 7 11 18 10
Everton 12 3 1 8 4 16 10
Birmingham C 12 1 3 8 7 17 6
Sunderland 13 1 2 10 12 27 5

;) :D.

[4tothefloor]

Wouldn't be too worried about that Sligoman, Utd are up sh!t creek in the long term. Fergie, and that bufoon Queerez will be next to go. Too many sh!te players at Utd now.

And anto, you'll eat your words on Kewell yet ;)

[anto1208]

Wouldn't be too worried about that Sligoman, Utd are up sh!t creek in the long term. Fergie, and that bufoon Queerez will be next to go. Too many sh!te players at Utd now.

And anto, you'll eat your words on Kewell yet ;)

im surprised with you , you are the first liverpool fan that does nt hate him , if any everton player acted like he did faking injuries asking to be taken off in the european cup final . carragher would have played on with a leg missing . kewell is taking ye for a ride , 60 grand a week !!!!. id prefere kilbane over kewel any day ............ i cant say that with a straight face as bad an all as kewell is kilbane is utter **** , lost us the game on sat all by him self gave earnshaw a great through ball though !:rolleyes:

but i wont eat my words ive been waiting for years for kewell to play well at liverpool


by the way how did crouch do this weekend ???? manage a goal yet, i heard he took a peno so surely he has one by now ????:D

[declan hide]

good man anto...slag crouch to hide your utter embarassment at losing 4-0 to west brom. youve some cheek to log in.:D

crouch will score. maybe an important goal. hes playing quite well actually.and look hes in teams (liverpool/england) that are winning matches)

how many games before aldridge scored for ireland?:ball:

[anto1208]

good man anto...slag crouch to hide your utter embarassment at losing 4-0 to west brom. youve some cheek to log in.:D

crouch will score. maybe an important goal. hes playing quite well actually.and look hes in teams (liverpool/england) that are winning matches)

how many games before aldridge scored for ireland?:ball:

i slag crouch because he is rubbish 15 games and a peno and no goals sorry its not good enough for a 7 million pound player

it was embarresing but the first goal was from a peno just before half time which was clearly 2 feet outside the box and he dived ! there second goal was fine and then there keeper caught the ball outside the box so with proper refs it should have been 1 nil to them and west brom down to 10 men .
the heads dropped then plus kilbane was on the pitch the only player that can turn a good chance for everton into a goal for them with one easy pass .

[Galwayexile]

everton are ****e this season and will be lucky not to be relegated. Loosing 4:0 to west brom come on. Surely there not that bad.

On a brighter liverpool are at last playing good stuff.Does anyone else realise that crouchy is the new heskey except hes worse. I thought by now he would have at least scored one goal but not to be. At least moro and cisse are finding a bit of form now.

[jockser]

Do you honestly think Peter Crouch was bought to score 25 goals this season!?!?! Rafa is a clever man. He could see, along with the rest of us, how poor we were last season especially away from home in the premiership. Would we have won 3 points at villa this year without crouch?? No chance!! he came on and the villa defense couldnt handle him......Same when he came on for England against Argentina.
Crouch will score maybe 10 goals this season BUT be involved in the build up of 15 to 20 more goals for others by knocking balls down or holding the ball up, which is EXACTLY why Rafa bought him ......in my opinion.

He is doing a good job for liverpool........yes we all know a strikers job is to score also but only the blind and the usual "bandwagoners" can not see the value he is bringing to liverpool at the moment.
The goals will come Peter just keep playing the way you are :)

[4tothefloor]

Do you honestly think Peter Crouch was bought to score 25 goals this season!?!?! Rafa is a clever man. He could see, along with the rest of us, how poor we were last season especially away from home in the premiership. Would we have won 3 points at villa this year without crouch?? No chance!! he came on and the villa defense couldnt handle him......Same when he came on for England against Argentina.
Crouch will score maybe 10 goals this season BUT be involved in the build up of 15 to 20 more goals for others by knocking balls down or holding the ball up, which is EXACTLY why Rafa bought him ......in my opinion.


100% correct. Anto, and Evertonians in general, wouldn't understand that because they don't understand the concept of tactics. In their bitter, simple little blue minds a forward/striker is someone who scores goals and nothing else. A forward creating goals, wha? Why do you think Rooney ran out of the place? :rolleyes:

And to say Kewell ASKED to be taken off in the CL final is something a child would come out with. The fact he's had TWO operations, which he is just back fit from, since the CL final is just a coincidence anto is it?! He only had the operations for the craic shur, to mask the fact he wanted to come off in the CL final......:rolleyes: :p Kewell is actually properly fit for the first time in two and a half years, and that's why you'll eat your words. He'll never be as good as Phil Neville though.

[Armando]

Ah yes 'tactics', a word always brought up to complicate this simple game and mask deficiancies. Crouch has been a big flop so far this season. It's not that he's playing particularly poor but he's a striker for Christs sake and the bottom line is he needs to be weighing in with goals.

[anto1208]

100% correct. Anto, and Evertonians in general, wouldn't understand that because they don't understand the concept of tactics. In their bitter, simple little blue minds a forward/striker is someone who scores goals and nothing else. A forward creating goals, wha? Why do you think Rooney ran out of the place?

And to say Kewell ASKED to be taken off in the CL final is something a child would come out with. The fact he's had TWO operations, which he is just back fit from, since the CL final is just a coincidence anto is it?! He only had the operations for the craic shur, to mask the fact he wanted to come off in the CL final......::p Kewell is actually properly fit for the first time in two and a half years, and that's why you'll eat your words. He'll never be as good as Phil Neville though.

you should spend some more time in liverpool find out what the real fans think of crouch and kewell ;) . .
btw phil hasnt cost us 60 g a week for 2 1/2 years plus the 5 mill ye paid for kewell ! i work that out as just under £13million ........ouch !!

ill keep a spoon handy for eating my words;)

glad to see ye can finally admitt that liverpools "tactic" is to lump long balls up to crouch

[jockser]

you should spend some more time in liverpool find out what the real fans think of crouch and kewell ;) . .
btw phil hasnt cost us 60 g a week for 2 1/2 years plus the 5 mill ye paid for kewell ! i work that out as just under £13million ........ouch !!

ill keep a spoon handy for eating my words;)

glad to see ye can finally admitt that liverpools "tactic" is to lump long balls up to crouch
Liverpools "tactic" is, and always has been, to win more trophies than the rest of leagues teams put together.......and its going quite well for us thanks you very much :cool:

[anto1208]

more trophies than the rest of leagues teams put together......

i do math good :rolleyes:

[declan hide]

you should spend some more time in liverpool find out what the real fans think of crouch and kewell ;) . .
btw phil hasnt cost us 60 g a week for 2 1/2 years plus the 5 mill ye paid for kewell ! i work that out as just under £13million ........ouch !!

ill keep a spoon handy for eating my words;)

glad to see ye can finally admitt that liverpools "tactic" is to lump long balls up to crouch

who are these real fans you speak of?

[anto1208]

who are these real fans you speak of?

fans like season ticket holders , you know the ones that go week in week out and hand over there hard earned cash ,rather than pop down the pub ;)

[jockser]

i do math good :rolleyes:
didnt think you were so clever as to take it literally but you get the message ;)
The fact that that was your only able response says enough :D

now here are some interesting facts i just found reading an article


Tomkins on Crouch with England ........
While my only concern is for Liverpool, if you look at Crouch's international record since his debut in May, it makes interesting reading, despite no goals in his four games. The two games he has started for his country both ended in wins; the two in which he came on saw England end up winning a game they were either losing or drawing when he arrived. Two of the three games in which he didn't feature at all ended with humiliating defeats.
The two games he has started for his country both ended in wins; the two in which he came on saw England end up winning a game they were either losing or drawing when he arrived. Two of the three games in which he didn't feature at all ended with humiliating defeats.

Meanwhile, England's scoring rate is far more impressive with Crouch in the team than without. The national team scores a goal, on average, every 30 minutes when he is on the pitch; it goes up to every 104 minutes – over three times as long – when he isn't.

Make of that what you will. It may just be luck, or coincidence. But if you are theEngland manager, you sit up and take note, despite what the baying fans might think."
interesting if not shocking!

[declan hide]

fans like season ticket holders , you know the ones that go week in week out and hand over there hard earned cash ,rather than pop down the pub ;)

oh sorry fans like YOU! (cept for the hard earned cash bit of course! :D) who travel over from ireland to support the english leagues and blah blah blah...here comes the moderator...

[anto1208]

oh sorry fans like YOU! (cept for the hard earned cash bit of course! :D) who travel over from ireland to support the english leagues and blah blah blah...here comes the moderator...

i go to england because well its the closest league to me , i dont want to stray off topic but i watched cork derry last week and in all fairness it was terrible ive seen better talented players playing womens football yes i said it girls are better at football than in the eircom league.

but no im talking about scouse liverpool fans like my bird her father and bro's who are all liverpool born and bred season ticket holders ,every cab drivers, liverpool fans in pubs etc etc who cant stand kewell or crouch .i spend most of my free time in liverpool so i do meet more than most on here would , and i consider someone who goes to the games a real fan rather than some one that watch's it in the pub .

[jockser]

i consider someone who goes to the games a real fan rather than some one that watch's it in the pub .

i think you are talking absoulte rubbish.....as usual.
I have a season ticket.....id never think just coz im lucky to have one im more of a "real" fan than someone who supports the team on the other side of the globe.
Your analysis of "every cab driver" and every other "real" fan in liverpool cant stand crouch is more rubbish also.
At least youre consistant......:D

[anto1208]

firstly limerick isnt the other side of the globe its 40 mins away . i do think im more of a fan than some one who watches the highlights on tv . in the same way the fans that go to all home and away league and cup games are more of a fan than i am .

i would give your arguement more time if you actually made one single point but all you did is tell me im wrong , gave no reason ,did nt offer an allternitive reason as to why they love there 7 million pound goal scoring machine.....

to me if some one goes to the games they are in a better postion to judge a player than some one who has seen the high lights on tv because they have seen the full game all off the ball incedents etc ... so when the majority of liverpool season ticket holders ive encountered think 15 games 0 goals is bad for a 7 million pound striker then i tend to agree with them .because they are handing over a lot more money than some one who has gone to the pub to watch it on tv who seems to keep saying give him time , why will they give him time because its not there money the club is wasting .

in the same way my money goes to pay kilbane and it drives me nuts that this clown gets paid to play football and its worse when everton fans who have watched match of the day tell me at least he puts in 100 % every game which is rubbish .

[dfx-]

Tomkins on Crouch with England ........
While my only concern is for Liverpool, if you look at Crouch's international record since his debut in May, it makes interesting reading, despite no goals in his four games. The two games he has started for his country both ended in wins; the two in which he came on saw England end up winning a game they were either losing or drawing when he arrived. Two of the three games in which he didn't feature at all ended with humiliating defeats.
The two games he has started for his country both ended in wins; the two in which he came on saw England end up winning a game they were either losing or drawing when he arrived. Two of the three games in which he didn't feature at all ended with humiliating defeats.

Meanwhile, England's scoring rate is far more impressive with Crouch in the team than without. The national team scores a goal, on average, every 30 minutes when he is on the pitch; it goes up to every 104 minutes – over three times as long – when he isn't.

Make of that what you will. It may just be luck, or coincidence. But if you are theEngland manager, you sit up and take note, despite what the baying fans might think."


Anything taken from .tv or from Tomkins is pure unadulterated rubbish and can be dismissed out of hand. As he says "I'd like to think I am well informed on all matters Liverpool". :rolleyes: :mad:

[anto1208]

16 games 0 goals ........10 attempts on goal 0 goals .......

[declan hide]

granted you see more at the actual game but what i will say is this....

just cos you go to a game doesnt mean you understand it more than someone watching on tv. (why do managers watch video footage?)

you obviously dont understand the game overly well...(dunno if youve played the game much but thats a different matter). on paper crouch looks useless. on the pitch hes been a different story and is playing well. hes also in the england squad.

giles and brady see this. i would rate their opinion a hell of a lot higher than your single minded slag liverpool agenda. crouchs goals will come. in fact lets hope he gets the winner against your lot...in fact your lot are so ****e right now he may get a hat-trick.

10 shots no goals. much better than no shots no goals. come in drunken duncan.

as for the "real" fans. again just cos they pay money and go to games doesnt mean they know it all about the football theyre watching. if i lived in liverpool i would go to the home games but i live in cork/limerick so i go to all the cork/limerick home games instead.

[jockser]

Anything taken from .tv or from Tomkins is pure unadulterated rubbish and can be dismissed out of hand. As he says "I'd like to think I am well informed on all matters Liverpool". :rolleyes: :mad:
Thomkins writes by FAR the best articles on LFC. No one else comes close
He has been writting excellent articles since 2000 on LFC matters on different fans sites (including that poisonous koktalk) and thats why the official site have recently employed him.

[anto1208]

granted you see more at the actual game but what i will say is this....

just cos you go to a game doesnt mean you understand it more than someone watching on tv. (why do managers watch video footage?)

you obviously dont understand the game overly well...(dunno if youve played the game much but thats a different matter). on paper crouch looks useless. on the pitch hes been a different story and is playing well. hes also in the england squad.

giles and brady see this. i would rate their opinion a hell of a lot higher than your single minded slag liverpool agenda. crouchs goals will come. in fact lets hope he gets the winner against your lot...in fact your lot are so ****e right now he may get a hat-trick.

10 shots no goals. much better than no shots no goals. come in drunken duncan.

as for the "real" fans. again just cos they pay money and go to games doesnt mean they know it all about the football theyre watching. if i lived in liverpool i would go to the home games but i live in cork/limerick so i go to all the cork/limerick home games instead.

well i know more about the game than most by that i dont mean ive learnt off a load of names and dates but about how the game is played .

did i play yes i did , but does that make a difference i know people that have played semi pro and still dont have a clue what there talking about .

the very fact you are trying to argue crouch's case explains a lot, what excuse is it today "we didnt buy a striker to score goals" , or other such jems.

id go to cork/limerick games if it was worth the tenner , its not . so i dont go .

surely you as a EL fan dont support a english team ??;)

[jockser]

the very fact you are trying to argue crouch's case explains a lot, what excuse is it today "we didnt buy a striker to score goals" , or other such jems.
The fact he got man of the match means we dont have to explain anything to people who THINK they know the game.....:rolleyes:

[anto1208]

The fact he got man of the match means we dont have to explain anything to people who THINK they know the game.....:rolleyes:

that could just mean the rest of the team were rubbish , no way he deserved mom 2 open goals from inside the 6 yard box and he misses , 10 attempts on goal no goal ... gerrard was much better than crouch was last night he set up pratically every chance he had .

[jockser]

that could just mean the rest of the team were rubbish
i rest my case......:D :D

[anto1208]

i rest my case

he got a man of the match award in a game in which liverpool were terrible ,playing a poor side and didnt score ... thats what your resting your arguement on :eek: :eek:

but i didnt expect you to make a point, why break with habit :rolleyes:

[jockser]

he got a man of the match award in a game in which liverpool were terrible ,playing a poor side and didnt score ... thats what your resting your arguement on

but i didnt expect you to make a point, why break with habit :rolleyes:
can i see the reports where it says we were terrible please.....or is that your analysis coz you are a REAL fan who KNOWS how to read a game???:D

[anto1208]

you are a REAL fan who KNOWS how to read a game???:D


thank you !!

the first intelligent thing you ve said :p

[declan hide]

its blindingly obvious that other posters to this "discussion" have stopped responding to antos moronics. from this point forward i shall so the same.

[anto1208]

its blindingly obvious that other posters to this "discussion" have stopped responding to antos moronics. from this point forward i shall so the same.


what are you like , cant win an arguement so you quit "im taking my ball and going home" .what moranic statement done it, was it the one where i said season ticket holders are better fans than some one you goes to the pub to watch a game ? thats just common sence .
Grow up FFS .

[JoeSemi]

I think its easy for anto and other evertonians to dish out the abuse at Crouch as a way of masking the troubles at their own club. The current fad among the media and other suporters is to bash Crouch at every opportunity. The goals haven't arrived yet but how many other clubs would take Liverpool's position of last 16 in the champions league playing a striker who contributes enormously to the team, but has yet to score himself? Yes, he cost 7 million and is a striker. So what? The stats somebody else mentioned don't lie and as much as I'd like to see Crouchy scoring asap I couldn't care less if Liverpool keep winning and he picks up the man of the match award every time(without scoring). I know the bluenoses would love a current English international striker in their ranks and it must irk them that a goalless striker across town is getting the nod ahead of their 5m bloated brute from Blackburn who has the sum total of 2 goals himself, and f**k all else to his game. Which of the two will go to the World Cup and who'll be getting fatter next summer? We all know the answer to that one, provided injury doesn't set in along the way. Eriksson, McClaren and Benitez can't all be wrong and time will prove their judgements 100% correct, if it hasn't already done so.

[TheJamaicanP.M.]

I think its easy for anto and other evertonians to dish out the abuse at Crouch as a way of masking the troubles at their own club. The current fad among the media and other suporters is to bash Crouch at every opportunity. The goals haven't arrived yet but how many other clubs would take Liverpool's position of last 16 in the champions league playing a striker who contributes enormously to the team, but has yet to score himself? Yes, he cost 7 million and is a striker. So what? The stats somebody else mentioned don't lie and as much as I'd like to see Crouchy scoring asap I couldn't care less if Liverpool keep winning and he picks up the man of the match award every time(without scoring). I know the bluenoses would love a current English international striker in their ranks and it must irk them that a goalless striker across town is getting the nod ahead of their 5m bloated brute from Blackburn who has the sum total of 2 goals himself, and f**k all else to his game. Which of the two will go to the World Cup and who'll be getting fatter next summer? We all know the answer to that one, provided injury doesn't set in along the way. Eriksson, McClaren and Benitez can't all be wrong and time will prove their judgements 100% correct, if it hasn't already done so.

Great post Joe, sensible comments as always. I'm becoming a fan of the likeable Crouchy. The lad is a breath of fresh air in a sport that is bursting with large egos. His commitment and hard work illustrate his merits. He contributes so much to the team. His first touch and technique are rare, if not unheard of in a player of his size. He's still a young man, a little similar in stature to a young Niall Quinn. If he becomes physically stronger in the same way as Quinn did, he has a big future ahead of him. Crounch had 8/9 attempts on goal on Wednesday night. That shows character from a player that is undergoing a goal-scoring drought. The likes of Lineker, Shearer and Owen have all suffered droughts in front of goal. It's only a matter of time before Crouch gets on the scoresheet and the goals begin to flow. In the meantime, he will continue to help Liverpool win tricky away games against the likes of Villa. Any Liverpool fan will be happy that Crouch is an excellent acquisition.

[4tothefloor]

5m bloated brute from Blackburn who has the sum total of 2 goals himself, and f**k all else to his game.
Couldn't have put it better myself. That's the difference between the two.


Which of the two will go to the World Cup and who'll be getting fatter next summer?
Hopefully Crouch, on both counts! :D

[JoeSemi]

Everton are officially the lowest scorers out of all the teams in the five major European leagues with an astounding figure of 5 goals:p Thats the whole Everton team with 5 goals more than Peter Crouch. I think it may be wise for certain evertonians to look at getting their own house in order before slagging off any other club or player.;)

[Dillo]

Which of the two will go to the World Cup and who'll be getting fatter next summer? We all know the answer to that one, provided injury doesn't set in along the way. .


In fairness Crouchy wouldn't put on weight if ya had him on bull nuts for 9 months. Sure there's not a pick on the lanky string! :rolleyes: A strikers role is to score goals and crouchy hasn't broke the duck in 17 games! Morientes has as much pace as me granny and the less said about Cisse the better. Typical of you though JoeSemi- i've never once heard you run down a Liverpool player. You're namesake Josemi was the spanish Carragher up to no length ago sure! :p


Things are beginning to look rosy again on the blue side though. Big Joe Yobo came up trumps today and made up for recent shaky performances with a fine header to send that pr!ck souness home pointless. The toffees are at last out of the bottom three and will make that expected surge up the table in the coming weeks.

[sligoman]

Wouldn't be too worried about that Sligoman, Utd are up sh!t creek in the long term.They're still gonna finish higher than Liverpool this season!:p.

[mypost]

Well over at the Red Half, things are improving for a change. :) No surprise really, as European Champions are expected to beat the likes of West Ham, Aston Villa, Man City, and Portsmouth on a regular basis. :rolleyes:

As for Peter Crouch, this bloke continues to defy belief, as the score after 4,5 months of the season is still: Jamie Carragher 1-0 Peter Crouch!! :eek:

[jockser]

Can you come back and post after we have played our next 8 games which are
Blackburn – home
Fulham – away
West Ham – home
Villa – away
Portsmouth - Home
Man City – away
Wigan – home
Boro – home

...........he is back!!!