LOI in Europe 2011 [Archive] - Page 73

Real ale Madrid

30/11/2011, 8:59 PM

mypost

30/11/2011, 9:28 PM

Spurs are gone. Serves them right for treating the competition as a joke. Puts our results against Kazan and Salonika in perspective.

ger121

30/11/2011, 9:29 PM

Spurs are now out of the Europa League after losing 1-2 at home to POAK. Maybe Rovers can finish on a high now that Spurs will have nothing to play for in a fortnight ?

edit - got a bit ahead of myself - Spurs are not out. but need unlikely set of results

Spurs still have a chance but you got to think Rubin & PAOK will some how play out a draw to put Spurs out. Last chance for Rovers to get some points and I think they just might...

askmehoop

30/11/2011, 9:44 PM

would be great to finish our european odyssey on a high, especially by beating or holding an english side

legendz

30/11/2011, 9:46 PM

I think Spurs will be happy to focus on their UK's Southern League push.

TiocfaidhArmani

01/12/2011, 10:13 AM

would be great to finish our european odyssey on a high, especially by beating or holding an english side

Yeah that's gonna happen

Rovers apparently have the worst record ever in the Europa, although that won't come as a shock. Made a show of the league, the Shels team of old would have nicked a few points. That flukey result in Belgrade put them above their station.

askmehoop

01/12/2011, 11:10 AM

Yeah that's gonna happen

Rovers apparently have the worst record ever in the Europa, although that won't come as a shock. Made a show of the league, the Shels team of old would have nicked a few points. That flukey result in Belgrade put them above their station.

You have extra lemons with your brekkie? the shels team of old werent good enough to qualify for group stage football and its somewhere your p**spot club will never see. Rovers have competed well over the euro campaign given the vast difference it resources with other clubs. i think its fair to say every fan of other clubs would glady take the experience we've had this year.

Flexy

01/12/2011, 11:13 AM

Yeah that's gonna happen

Rovers apparently have the worst record ever in the Europa, although that won't come as a shock. Made a show of the league, the Shels team of old would have nicked a few points. That flukey result in Belgrade put them above their station.
Your talking rubbish mate ( Im Not a Rovers Fan ), they have over achieved yes and they have done the league proud on the resources they have had. Shels wouldnt have done anything either even with the resources they had years ago of trying to buy the league and over inflation of wages they paid and couldnt afford

Dodge

01/12/2011, 11:39 AM

the Shels team of old would have nicked a few points

The same Shels team that lost at home to a Maltese crowd? Or do you want to compare "flukey" wins with Rovers?

Nah Nah Nah Nah

01/12/2011, 12:00 PM

PartySaint

01/12/2011, 12:26 PM

You have extra lemons with your brekkie? the shels team of old werent good enough to qualify for group stage football and its somewhere your p**spot club will never see. Rovers have competed well over the euro campaign given the vast difference it resources with other clubs. i think its fair to say every fan of other clubs would glady take the experience we've had this year.

I know that guy is talking nonsenses but if they same format was in place when Shels got through to play Depor as it is now the Shels would have been in the Europa League after losing to Depor

Doesn't take away from the fact your man is a clown

HulaHoop

01/12/2011, 1:28 PM

Rovers apparently have the worst record ever in the Europa

Where exactly did you get this piece of ******ology? A casual glance at the tables will tell you we are not the only team to have no points and over the years there have been numerous teams who finished pointless. It's a great experience just being here, despite getting beaten 4-1 last night it, being in the middle of Russia in December watching Rovers playing competitive european football was one of my best ever footballing experiences. I'd love to be "making a show" of the league like this every year.

Dodge

01/12/2011, 1:31 PM

I know that guy is talking nonsenses but if they same format was in place when Shels got through to play Depor as it is now the Shels would have been in the Europa League after losing to Depor

There's loads of what ifs about that though as the system is completely changed.

bennocelt

01/12/2011, 1:55 PM

Yeah that's gonna happen

Rovers apparently have the worst record ever in the Europa, although that won't come as a shock. Made a show of the league, the Shels team of old would have nicked a few points. That flukey result in Belgrade put them above their station.

Wow - Shamrock Rovers have done the league proud this year. They were also terribly unlucky to get a very tough group in the Europa as well - or do u now expect LOI teams to beat English, Russian and Greek opposition!!!!!! This is a learning curve for the LOI and with their experience from this year I fully expect Rovers to do well in the CL next season.
And as one of the thousands that were in the Shams end in White hart lane, the supporters showed that the LOI alos have great passionate fans

Charlie Darwin

01/12/2011, 1:56 PM

I'd love to be "making a show" of the league like this every year.
Hopefully next year we can upgrade to making a holy show of the league. And then who knows?

Rovers are doing about as well as you could expect the lowest ranked team in the competition with by far the smallest budget to do. We were unlucky enough to draw 3 teams ranked above Partizan, and the fact the top-ranked side in the entire competition are about to be eliminated from the competition goes to show the quality our players have had to face.

Well done to Celtic, whose internationals are performing above their seeding, but for Rovers it's been a very tough learning process.

Dodge

01/12/2011, 2:02 PM

or do u now expect LOI teams to beat English, Russian and Greek opposition!!!!!!

Some LOI teams do beat Russian opposition :D

http://youtu.be/ctLKqBldX4M

bennocelt

01/12/2011, 3:39 PM

Some LOI teams do beat Russian opposition :D

http://youtu.be/ctLKqBldX4M

LOL, yeah I know, should have said "regularly"

mypost

01/12/2011, 5:51 PM

Yeah that's gonna happen

the Shels team of old would have nicked a few points.

Maybe they could start by beating Hibernians, Steaua Bucharest, or even the now relegated Deportivo La Coruna.

I know that guy is talking nonsenses but if they same format was in place when Shels got through to play Depor as it is now the Shels would have been in the Europa League after losing to Depor

They did go there, and lost to Lille.

dfx-

01/12/2011, 6:34 PM

Weather in Kazan tonight says minus 4 "feels like minus 10"....will go down to -7 tomorrow night.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/27595.html

(http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/27595.html)Hope Rovers have a decent hotel.

The fans did anyway, I'd recommend it for any stay in Kazan. Wasn't too cold until arriving at the ground.

pineapple stu

01/12/2011, 8:11 PM

Rovers apparently have the worst record ever in the Europa
AEK Athens' record this year is a mere two goals better than Rovers' (with an easier group too). This is only the third year of the Europa League, so it's not surprising that there haven't been too many nul point campaigns yet. However, in the last UEFA Cup (which was different in that it had five-team groups), Heerenveen and Partizan both got no points, with Heerenveen's record worse than Rovers' after four games (which was all Heerenveen played). Give the format as long as the CL has been around, and other other low-scoring campaigns will happen. In the CL, for example, we have Maccabi Haifa in 2009/10 (not only no points, but no goals as well), Debrecen the same year (no points, -14 GD), or last year's pairing of Zilina (0 points, GD -16) and Partizan again (no points for the second time in three years) will arise. It's just the law of averages. Rovers were not only a new team to the group stages, but a new country - and in arguably the toughest group at that - and your assertion that they've embarrassed the league is nonsense.

Charlie Darwin

01/12/2011, 10:35 PM

Meanwhile Celtic reached the group stages having already been knocked out and Shels reached the FAI Cup final having already been... I'm noticing a trend here.

pineapple stu

02/12/2011, 10:35 AM

Fifth officials are useless. He knew it went out of play, they're just not allowed make decisions.
Just on this, it was interesting to note that the fifth official seemed to be the one who disallowed Defoe's late goal for Spurs on Wednesday, which would have seen them go through (in all likelihood) - see below from 2:55

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One of the most bizarre refereeing decisions I've ever seen (even allowing for the fact that it probably should have been a free out for Defoe's initial challenge which left the lad injured)

MMVIII

02/12/2011, 11:37 AM

Just on this, it was interesting to note that the fifth official seemed to be the one who disallowed Defoe's late goal for Spurs on Wednesday, which would have seen them go through (in all likelihood) - see below from 2:55

fCFz340AVf8
One of the most bizarre refereeing decisions I've ever seen (even allowing for the fact that it probably should have been a free out for Defoe's initial challenge which left the lad injured)

The referee's decision was correct. The 5th official had been shouting at the referee to award a free kick for Defoe's challenge on the defender. This was shown in replays after the game, so in fact, it was the right decision. The only reason it took so long was because the referee did not hear him and only did so when the goal had gone in. Still the right decision. Begs the question though, what's the point in him being there if he doesn't have a flag or something similiar to alert the referee in times such as the above.

DaveyCakes

02/12/2011, 12:01 PM

The only bizarre thing about that decision is that Defoe didn't get at least a yellow card for his two-footed challenge.

pineapple stu

02/12/2011, 1:33 PM

The referee's decision was correct. The 5th official had been shouting at the referee to award a free kick for Defoe's challenge on the defender.
Yeah, I think in the end, the ref got it right. But you can't go calling play back for a foul ten seconds earlier just because a goal went in. Agree with your comments on the fifth official; was just highlighting the difference between there and the Rovers game incident (and Charlie's comment on it).

It does seem to be a not particularly useful innovation though.

dfx-

02/12/2011, 2:02 PM

Begs the question though, what's the point in him being there if he doesn't have a flag or something similiar to alert the referee in times such as the above.

He has a stick that has a buzzer on it no?

I'm sure I've seen them have that in Tallaght...

dong

02/12/2011, 2:26 PM

He has a stick that has a buzzer on it no?

I'm sure I've seen them have that in Tallaght...

That would be a rape alarm...

askmehoop

02/12/2011, 2:33 PM

That would be a rape alarm...

yeah, the same ones the sheep in sligo have attached to them

dfx-

02/12/2011, 3:16 PM

Yeah, I think in the end, the ref got it right. But you can't go calling play back for a foul ten seconds earlier just because a goal went in.

Why? The foul happened and whatever happens after, whether it's ten seconds or 10 minutes afterwards, he gave it when he noticed it.

yeah, the same ones the sheep in sligo have attached to them

Now that I definitely have seen..

Charlie Darwin

02/12/2011, 3:22 PM

Yeah, I think in the end, the ref got it right. But you can't go calling play back for a foul ten seconds earlier just because a goal went in. Agree with your comments on the fifth official; was just highlighting the difference between there and the Rovers game incident (and Charlie's comment on it).
Them fifth officials just couldn't wait to rub my nose in it.

pineapple stu

02/12/2011, 3:34 PM

Why? The foul happened and whatever happens after, whether it's ten seconds or 10 minutes afterwards, he gave it when he noticed it.
But either he noticed it at the time (when he should have given an immediate free out cos it was a foul), or he didn't notice it. If he didn't notice it, how can he then give a free out (by himself)? If the fifth official couldn't communicate with him for that length of time, why not? (The linesman, for example, can immediately flag a foul and bring it to the ref's attention) And if the fifth official did annul the goal, it does kind of contradict Charlie Darwin's point that fifth officials can't make decisions.

And I know you were deliberately exaggerating to make a point, but no, you can't bring play back ten minutes after an incident to give a foul (in part, because the laws of the game prevent it, but that law didn't apply in this case).

Them fifth officials just couldn't wait to rub my nose in it.
And so, so soon after you'd spoken! Sod's Law really. :)

dfx-

02/12/2011, 5:02 PM

I don't think the length of time is an issue. You see regularly enough the assistant putting his flag up for offside without the referee noticing, in some cases for a considerable length of time. Perhaps he didn't notice the fifth official (that's not hard to imagine, everyone else in the ground doesn't), maybe the technology wasn't working, but his observation on the foul still stands.

dong

02/12/2011, 5:45 PM

yeah, the same ones the sheep in sligo have attached to them

It's only rape when it's not consensual.

askmehoop

02/12/2011, 5:58 PM

It's only rape when it's not consensual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oWe0Y7YT34

pineapple stu

02/12/2011, 10:26 PM

I don't think the length of time is an issue. You see regularly enough the assistant putting his flag up for offside without the referee noticing, in some cases for a considerable length of time.
Thing is, he's looking at it. With the offside, he just doesn't see the flag and stops play when he sees it. With this, I'm full sure he sees the foul, decides it's not a free, and only when the ball goes in the net does he realise that maybe yer man is hurt. It's almost like he initially allowed play to go on on then as time went on thought "Actually, maybe I should have given a foul there", and then when the ball goes in the net he realises that he's screwed PAOK over and so gives the belated free-out.

I only saw the last half-hour of the game, but apparently the sending-off for the penalty was controversial too (the highlights are fairly blurred, but it's possible the ball hits the player on the line in the chest rather than on the arm)

Charlie Darwin

02/12/2011, 10:53 PM

The ball hit the PAOK player in the abdomen and it bounced up onto his arm, which was straight down by his side. It couldn't possibly have been a penalty.

ger121

14/12/2011, 11:06 PM

AEK Athens won away tonight, against Sturm Graz. If Rovers don't pick up anything tomorrow. They'll be the only team to finish with no points.

redobit

14/12/2011, 11:52 PM

yeah, the same ones the sheep in sligo have attached to them

how are the horses in tallaght these days...

askmehoop

15/12/2011, 12:14 AM

how are the horses in tallaght these days...

ok, little confused. firstly im from Donaghmede so im not clued in with the horse situation in Tallaght.

Secondly, and more strangely, are you suggesting people have sex with horses in Tallaght? given the context of my previous post to Dong.

askmehoop

15/12/2011, 12:15 AM

AEK Athens won away tonight, against Sturm Graz. If Rovers don't pick up anything tomorrow. They'll be the only team to finish with no points.

And also the ONLY irish team still playing in Europe :)

Charlie Darwin

15/12/2011, 12:19 AM

And also the ONLY irish team still playing in Europe :)
Manchester United will be in the draw for the next round.

ger121

15/12/2011, 12:34 AM

Manchester United will be in the draw for the next round.

Let's not forget Ireland's other favourite team Celtic, are still in with a chance of progressing...

redobit

15/12/2011, 1:46 AM

ok, little confused. firstly im from Donaghmede so im not clued in with the horse situation in Tallaght.

Secondly, and more strangely, are you suggesting people have sex with horses in Tallaght? given the context of my previous post to Dong.

Have a Kit Kat will ya.

born2bwild

18/12/2011, 10:23 PM

This is where Chucky logged in to say that Shams made a show of themselves and the league and the country - or something along those lines. What happened next?

askmehoop

18/12/2011, 11:38 PM

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/false-dawn-leaves-us-in-the-dark-ages-2967036.html

no suprises when i seen who wrote this. amateur hour at the Indo

Acornvilla

19/12/2011, 10:34 AM

This is where Chucky logged in to say that Shams made a show of themselves and the league and the country - or something along those lines. What happened next?

Er.. I swore at him, then some people did this

http://sodblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/rabble.jpg

then a glitch in the matrix stole many many thanks from us.

pineapple stu

19/12/2011, 10:54 AM

And then I infracted him for trolling, which he now seems to have avoided, not having trolled in the first place.

TiocfaidhArmani

19/12/2011, 11:00 AM

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/false-dawn-leaves-us-in-the-dark-ages-2967036.html

no suprises when i seen who wrote this. amateur hour at the Indo

100% spot on. Delusional is what it was. Unlock that thread about the comparison between the LOI and SPL. What a cracker that was for delusional.

The league needs investment and without outside investment we're going nowhere fast. Look at the FAI being reported to FIFA for owing money and dodging payment, they're an embarassment.

pineapple stu

19/12/2011, 11:02 AM

It's actually nonsense, as it doesn't make any effort to explore the fact that maybe - just maybe - the English league has improved in the last 25 years.

Also doesn't mention the likes of Derby 16-1 Finn Harps or Spurs 14-0 Drogheda from around the same time.

born2bwild

19/12/2011, 11:11 AM

100% spot on. Delusional is what it was. Unlock that thread about the comparison between the LOI and SPL. What a cracker that was for delusional.

The league needs investment and without outside investment we're going nowhere fast. Look at the FAI being reported to FIFA for owing money and dodging payment, they're an embarassment.
I don't what it is about you and this site but you come across as much more reasonable on boards and shelschat....

Where you see delusion others see hope. Without hope you cannot improve. This year's Europa league hasn't killed hope but it has made delusion impossible.

The best team in our league got swept aside at the business end of European competition.

The same thing would happen to Celtic in the Champions League.

With delusion gone and hope still intact it's now clear what needs to be done - build the league as a whole, increase attendances, slowly improve the profile in the media, increase advertising revenue and then look to buy in, or pay to retain decent quality players.

Winding people up on the internet may actually have a role to play in keeping delusion at bay, I don't know, I'm trying to be charitable, but I'm not sure it's necessary.