LOI in Europe 2011

[legendz]

Getting to this round was a good result by Rovers. If they were to get the next round it would be a fantastic result. It's hard to look past Copenhagen, prediction: 2-0. I hope I'm wrong and that Rovers can at least get an away goal and have the tie alive going into the second leg. While the prize last week was a guaranteed 4 European games, getting through this round will guarantee 8 games as the losers of the play-offs have the EL group stage as a safety net.

[mypost]

Big test alright, but we can't go into the game assuming it's already lost. We have to go and give it a go. Other LOI teams have beaten "superior" Scandinavian opposition before, and these guys are not going to win the competition. Apoel Nicosia went there 2 years ago, lost the away leg but won the tie, so they're not invincible. Hard task certainly, but this is what you wait 9 months for, the chance to test yourself at the highest level in the club game. I am confident we'll put up a creditable display.

[punkrocket]

Good luck with it anyway, and to the Pats and Sligo tomorrow.

[paul_oshea]

Big test alright, but we can't go into the game assuming it's already lost. We have to go and give it a go. Other LOI teams have beaten "superior" Scandinavian opposition before, and these guys are not going to win the competition. Apoel Nicosia went there 2 years ago, lost the away leg but won the tie, so they're not invincible. Hard task certainly, but this is what you wait 9 months for, the chance to test yourself at the highest level in the club game. I am confident we'll put up a creditable display.

By all accounts from the various media sources, all concerned sound confident. Which is always refreshing to hear from Irish sides.

Anyway good luck to all teams, if even 1 of 3 get a good result over the next couple of days it will be an achievement.

[Hibs4Ever]

Other LOI teams have beaten "superior" Scandinavian opposition before,


What "superior" Scandinavian teams than FC Copenhagen have LOI clubs beaten?

[hoops1]

By all accounts from the various media sources, all concerned sound confident. Which is always refreshing to hear from Irish sides.
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Ye and its normally followed by a hammering and a press conference saying it was a big step up in class.

[paul_oshea]

What "superior" Scandinavian teams than FC Copenhagen have LOI clubs beaten?

As a pats fan, your modesty is appealing, aren't elfsborg better than copenhagen ;) OR a derry fan, goteburg better than copenhagen :)

[paul_oshea]

Ye and its normally followed by a hammering and a press conference saying it was a big step up in class.

Not in the last few years. Even a 2-0 aggregate loss for ye would not be a bad result. Its still a learning curve, and at some stage an Irish side has to get that bit of luck in the draw, which over the last few years when you look where pats have ended up(and the opposition) and others it just hasn't happened.

The most important thing, and frustrating is Irish sides not conceding any stupid/basic schoolboy errors taht cost goals i.e. almost all teams managed by Pat Fenlon. Once that has been eradicated, Irish sides always come away looking decent. I honestly believe that those kinda stupid silly mistakes are the easy stick which non loi fans always use to beat the LOI with - and of course its almost always only those things they see....

[Dodge]

What "superior" Scandinavian teams than FC Copenhagen have LOI clubs beaten?

Presume he put "superior" like that meaning Irish teams have beaten "so called superior Scandinavian teams"

There's no doubt Danish clubs are a step up from Swedish sides.

[punkrocket]

Malmo looked good last night

[Dodge]

In comparison to Rangers. Danish sides are way, way above Scottish sides IMO

[paul_oshea]

IMHO you mean.

I didnt understand the bit yesterday in the papers that if rovers got through against copenhagen the highest ranked team they could draw would be Rangers. IS that because if you make it to the final round as a domestic winner you don't face higher seeded teams who finished runner(s x1,2,3) up in other stronger domestic leagues?

[punkrocket]

Scottish clubs haven't had a bad track record in recent years, uefa cup finals latter stages of champions league etc. they even managed a decent run outside of the old firm. Current teams aren't great though.

[pineapple stu]

It's five years since a Scottish side did anything of note in Europe (Rangers getting to the UEFA final). Can't think of the last time a Scottish side came top two in a CL group*. That's why they'll be seeded alongside LoI sides next year barring a good season this time out.

* Edit - it was 2007/08.

[punkrocket]

It's been 3 years - 2008 since Rangers made the uefa cup final, the same year Celtic were in the knock out stages of the CL. Admittedly they've been crap in more recent years, but if you know your history...

[Dodge]

Scotland's last 3 years of co-efficient points; 1.875, 2.666, 3.600
Ireland's last 3 years of co-efficient points; 2.500, 1.375, 1.000
Denmark's last 3 years of co-efficient points; 8.200, 4.400, 6.700

Rangers' run to the UEFA Cup final is the only thing stopping Scotland from sliding down to Hungary/Finland levels

[Stevo Da Gull]

I stupidly forgot that the game was tonight and organised dinner in town with a few friends. Anyone know which pubs in the centre of Dublin would be most likely to show the match tonight? None of the others watch football but maybe I can drag them after dinner if I can beg sufficiently.

EDIT: Never mind, I just checked the kick off time again. Probably wont have the time to catch it.

[pineapple stu]

It's been 3 years - 2008 since Rangers made the uefa cup final, the same year Celtic were in the knock out stages of the CL. Admittedly they've been crap in more recent years, but if you know your history...
You're right; sorry - I was looking at next year's rankings (and then dating from the start year of the season rather than the end).

But you mentioned "recent years", and I think Dodge has covered that point off well.

[punkrocket]

Okay, I meant in the past decade or so they've done well, much better than Danish teams have ever managed, and fully admit that the current crop aren't up to much. Having said that I think that the original point I was replying to was the comparison made between Danish and Swedish teams which the record shows that the Danish teams are demonstrably better. Malmo did look good last night though and should Copenhagen beat Rovers I can only hope for an all scandanavian clash to sort it out.

[Quinner89]

Not a Sham's fan, But I will be tonight. Looking forward to getting home from work, having a few beers & watching it. Is Setanta Sports the only channel showing it??

[pineapple stu]

Okay, I meant in the past decade or so they've done well, much better than Danish teams have ever managed, and fully admit that the current crop aren't up to much.
Copenhagen were in the last 16 last year, so that's straight out the window.

The Danish league is ranked 12th in Europe compared to 23rd for the Swedish league. It's a big step up.

[ifk101]

Professional footballers play a lower tax rate in Denmark than the Swedish equivalent. Wages are higher in the Danish league and consequently Danish clubs are more attractive to the best players in Scandinavia. Swedish clubs can't compete with the wages offered by clubs like FCK.

[Dodge]

Professional footballers play a lower tax rate in Denmark than the Swedish equivalent. Wages are higher in the Danish league and consequently Danish clubs are more attractive to the best players in Scandinavia. Swedish clubs can't compete with the wages offered by clubs like FCK.

Danish clubs can't compete with the wages FCK aree paying at the moment...

[ifk101]

Danish clubs can't compete with the wages FCK aree paying at the moment...

True. FCK is on a totally different level to the rest of Denmark but in saying that the rest of the Danish league is still financially on a different level to the Swedish league.

[Dodge]

Yeah, I think next season will see the Danish league winners go straight into the CL.

Thats a big step for them.

[punkrocket]

Copenhagen were in the last 16 last year, so that's straight out the window.



How often has that happened? Over the last 10 years Scottish clubs (since we're back to them again) have gone through to the knockout rounds on several occasions, Celtic have done so to Copenhagen's cost, jeez even Aberdeen whipped them by a large margin in the UEFA cup 3 or 4 years ago. I agree with you ( and haven't previously said otherwise) that scottish clubs at present aren't doing it but over the last decade or so have consistently been better than Danish clubs, so I'll add what I said before about seeing a viking fight to the death and hope that the winner of that particlur duel gets Celtic in a subsequent Europa game.

[pineapple stu]

I think if we're looking at the relative strength of the two leagues, anything more than three years old is actually irrelevant not only for the SPL (or Rangers/Celtic) now, but for them in the immediate future. That's when Rangers started hitting the skids financially and had to cut back drastically (here's (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-mcnally/The-financial-crisis-at-Rangers-should-set-alarm-bells-ringing-for-English-fans-too-article205673.html) a link from 2009 about it, for example). Not sure if Celtic have cut back too or if they've just been hiring crap managers, but basically the results the Old Firm got in Europe in the last decade are mainly from a completely different era to now. Pointing out a result from a few years ago is probably similar to pointing out Derry or Bohs beating Scottish opposition in our last two European encounters.

Obviously a game between, say, Copenhagen and Celtic would go a long way to confirming where the two leagues are though.

[punkrocket]

Still, I hope it's Rovers playing Celtic

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Scotland's last 3 years of co-efficient points; 1.875, 2.666, 3.600
Ireland's last 3 years of co-efficient points; 2.500, 1.375, 1.000
Denmark's last 3 years of co-efficient points; 8.200, 4.400, 6.700

Rangers' run to the UEFA Cup final is the only thing stopping Scotland from sliding down to Hungary/Finland levels

The Danish league must be quality. I wonder how it's structured.

[paul_oshea]

Carslberg dont do football leagues but if they did....they would sponsor one of the main teams and be a cashcow...

[peadar1987]

Still, I hope it's Rovers playing Celtic

I'm not sure. In one way, it would be great for Rovers, a huge attendance, they'd probably fill Lansdowne if they wanted to, so a big cash windfall. And of course a great advert for the league if they did well. On the other hand, it would be horrifically embarrassing to witness 55,000 Irish people watching a football match, and for 45,000 of them to be cheering against the Irish team.

[dfx-]

Still, I hope it's Rovers playing Celtic

I'd rather play Shakhter Karaganda

[legendz]

Ye and its normally followed by a hammering and a press conference saying it was a big step up in class.

Yeah, unfortunately this is what tends to happen.

[legendz]

IMHO you mean.

I didnt understand the bit yesterday in the papers that if rovers got through against copenhagen the highest ranked team they could draw would be Rangers. IS that because if you make it to the final round as a domestic winner you don't face higher seeded teams who finished runner(s x1,2,3) up in other stronger domestic leagues?

There is two qualifier paths to the champions league: champions path and non-champions path. The 10 qualifier round 3 winners will compete in the champions path play-offs with the 5 winners going on to the CL group stage.
10 teams will be competing in the non champions path play-offs. They qualified for this stage through their league position and 5 winners from here will also go through to the CL group stage

[pateen]

Anymore links to the game tonight would be great

[cornflakes]

Anymore links to the game tonight would be great

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=123911&part=sports

[born2bwild]

http://livetv.ru/en/eventinfo/80817_kobenhavn_shamrock_rovers/

[BonnieShels]

I'm not sure. In one way, it would be great for Rovers, a huge attendance, they'd probably fill Lansdowne if they wanted to, so a big cash windfall. And of course a great advert for the league if they did well. On the other hand, it would be horrifically embarrassing to witness 55,000 Irish people watching a football match, and for 45,000 of them to be cheering against the Irish team.

To barstool facepalm with you.

[The Lilywhites]

Teams in

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2012/matches/live/day=-4/session=2/match=2007523/matchcenterlight/index.html

[legendz]

Setanta Ireland... They did good last week showing the Rovers game... They do bad this week passing the game off to Setanta 1.

[BonnieShels]

I'm going to the pub to see if they have it. and if not will they show it.

[paul_oshea]

Any of those streams up yet

[born2bwild]

I'm going to the pub to see if they have it. and if not will they show it.

Which pub are you going to?

[born2bwild]

Any of those streams up yet

The Russian one is up - but it's showing shaktar and lyon - I guess they'll show rovers when it's on.

[BonnieShels]

Which pub are you going to?

Any of the pubs in the Manor St area. Probably Walshes.

[Mr A]

Here's hoping Rovers get something out of the game tonight.


Like leprosy ;)

[born2bwild]

Well, good luck. Hope they show it. (response to bonnieshels)

[BonnieShels]

Cheers man.

P2P stream up.

[paul_oshea]

Any stream that i can use through the browser as on ubuntu like no sopcast etc

[paul_oshea]

ok got it on the one by born2vwild