LOI in Europe 2011 [Archive] - Page 21

harleyleeds

15/07/2011, 3:27 PM

Yeah the mad *******s were bringing crates of Guinness into their dressing room before the game:) We got very very lucky against them

Harleyleeds, They beat Glentoran 2-0 away, They probably never left first gear (I didn't see any of the game so I don't no) and they will probably spank them 4 or 5 at home

I really hope I'm wrong but I don't see either Pats or Sligo getting through if we both get to play the Ukrainian teams

u could be right but its pure conjecture on your behalf and no doubt Glens wont turn up for 2nd leg so wouldnt read anything into that. Hopefully they will assume Rovers are just as weak as Glens and we sneak a goal away and then who knows. Bigger pitch will suit us as well so I say be positive . It will also be good for us if the Ukranians feel like you and write us off as no hopers so that gives me a little more confidence. I really think we got a better draw than getting Hearts.

PartySaint

15/07/2011, 3:34 PM

u could be right but its pure conjecture on your behalf and no doubt Glens wont turn up for 2nd leg so wouldnt read anything into that. Hopefully they will assume Rovers are just as weak as Glens and we sneak a goal away and then who knows. Bigger pitch will suit us as well so I say be positive . It will also be good for us if the Ukranians feel like you and write us off as no hopers so that gives me a little more confidence. I really think we got a better draw than getting Hearts.

I hope your right and I would gladly eat humble pie were Pats and Sligo both to win*

*Of course I don't actually care how Sligo do and only care about our result:)

legendz

15/07/2011, 3:46 PM

If I was putting money on the team Rovers would have been drawn against, I'd have put it on Copenhagan. I've been intrigued by the Danish league as their top flight contains 12 teams playing over 3 series. Similar in some ways to how the Premier used to be run. In my opinion the Danes run the system a bit better, rewarding the top 6 with the extra home game the following season. They are currently making moves to have their second tier run under the same format instead of 16 teams over 2 series.

On the game itself, if Rovers get through first I must stress, we don't want another TNS, if Rovers get through to the 3rd qualifying round, I think they'll be bowing out of the Champions League and into the Europa play-offs safety net. The Danes should bring over good support. I happened to be in London last March when they were in the city to take on Chelsea.

BonnieShels

16/07/2011, 5:15 PM

Both Poltava and Karpaty Lvov are well beatable. Ukrainian teams ain't all that. (Obviously,Sh Donetsk, Dinamo are a level above) I'd bet on Sligo, anyway. St Pats, less so.

I'm actually going to Ukraine the day after those ties!

Bad timing dude.

Dodge

16/07/2011, 6:36 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggwAW16j2GY

Goals from Karagandy v Pats

Charlie Darwin

16/07/2011, 6:52 PM

You wouldn't be happy with the marking for either of those goals. Was that North on the tall bloke who scored the first?

Dodge

16/07/2011, 7:03 PM

No, Derek Doyle. North didn't travel (hamstring change)

BonnieShels

16/07/2011, 7:52 PM

This was posted over on shelschat earlier.

Cripes...

http://gokarpaty.org/eng/news/activity/176

Spudulika

16/07/2011, 8:00 PM

Ukrainian sides are not beatable, IF we get there both us and Sligo will be beaten comfortably

Have you seen either of these teams play the last season? Unfortunately I've had to, they're nothing special and a good, well set out side can do a number on them. Pats and Sligo have good enough managers and players to get a result - Samara were not on a beer as everyone claimed, they were a club in trouble, yet when the pressure came on they couldn't go that extra step. In Ukraine there are 2 very good sides, and 1 or 2 more decent ones, neither of these are in that group. Have faith, running down chances before kick off is so GAA.

kdjaC

16/07/2011, 10:41 PM

That's the attitude! It's this kind of positive thinking which makes following the League of Ireland such a consistent joy!

**** right off we got into 3 rounds twice, we know when we are ****ed and its this round, they are all better than us.

If we beat kazak lads we will be beaten by the Ukrainians because they are better than us. Positive thinking my arse, with experience comes knowledge that they are better than us!

dfx-

16/07/2011, 11:39 PM

That's the attitude! It's this kind of positive thinking...

Well guess who has the Never Relegated banner.....the "at least we've never been that bad" attitude... :)

osarusan

16/07/2011, 11:49 PM

This was posted over on shelschat earlier.

Cripes...

http://gokarpaty.org/eng/news/activity/176

Some team shels had back then.

Shelbourne�: Burn, Flood, Bready, Nevel, Welan, Dooline, Mooney, Costello, Dally (Izzi, 58), О’Doherty, Raserford.

mypost

17/07/2011, 8:44 PM

**** right off we got into 3 rounds twice, we know when we are ****ed and its this round, they are all better than us.

If we beat kazak lads we will be beaten by the Ukrainians because they are better than us. Positive thinking my arse, with experience comes knowledge that they are better than us!

Drogheda came within a post of beating Kiev. But Pats are automatically out if they have to play Ukrainians???

If you lose, you lose. But you're never supposed to just give up.

born2bwild

17/07/2011, 9:28 PM

Have you seen either of these teams play the last season? Unfortunately I've had to, they're nothing special and a good, well set out side can do a number on them. Pats and Sligo have good enough managers and players to get a result - Samara were not on a beer as everyone claimed, they were a club in trouble, yet when the pressure came on they couldn't go that extra step. In Ukraine there are 2 very good sides, and 1 or 2 more decent ones, neither of these are in that group. Have faith, running down chances before kick off is so GAA.
I saw Vorskla playing twice - once in Donetsk and once in Zaporozhye. They were not at Shaktar's level but slightly above Zap's (Zapoozhye had yer man that used to play for Bohs - Mindaugas Kalonas - at the time)

Voskla also got battered 5-0 against Benfica at this stage of the UEFA cup 3 or 4 years ago.

Sligo could do them.

Spudulika

18/07/2011, 6:51 AM

Red Star

18/07/2011, 10:14 AM

All Sligo Rovers supporters groups have announced a combined statement to help Sligo Rovers in what will be a very expensive month with a possible trip to Ukraine and upgrading of the showgrounds

Hibs4Ever

18/07/2011, 10:38 AM

All Sligo Rovers supporters groups have announced a combined statement to help Sligo Rovers in what will be a very expensive month with a possible trip to Ukraine and upgrading of the showgrounds

Despite very recently signing players and looking to sign more?

Dodge

18/07/2011, 10:44 AM

All Sligo Rovers supporters groups have announced a combined statement to help Sligo Rovers in what will be a very expensive month with a possible trip to Ukraine and upgrading of the showgrounds

Should've jsut handed the money to boco and miss the middle man.

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 11:03 AM

Despite very recently signing players and looking to sign more?

Surely you would agree that with a couple of more signings they will be (if they are not already) faveroutes to win the league and maybe even dare to win a couple of euro games . This would bring in some cash to refill coffers. AMBITION. ps - it shows the loyalty of their fans , other clubs might do well to follow suit.

mypost

18/07/2011, 11:16 AM

The matches from last season I picked up on local tv, you're right, they're nothing special, but it's the mentality when you go out to play them. Shels went out against a pretty average Hajduk team a few years ago, got stuck in and won. THen they went out to keep it respectable against Deportivo and lost. Not saying they could have won, but a bit of ambition goes a long way.

A few years ago, the same Pats fans were telling us how they had no chance against Hertha Berlin, as Hertha were a "top" team. When the fixture came, Hertha had Andriy Voronin in their side, and were far from invincible. Soon, they were relegated from the Bundesliga. That's how good they were, or rather how good Pats thought they were.

We've come a long way as a country, in European club football in the past 10 years. Our clubs, Rovers included, have taken on a lot of so-called "better" sides and won. May not have broken the Group Stage ceiling yet, but it will come. A bit of ambition, and a refusal to throw in the towel before you start, gives you some chance of making a decent fist of a tie.

Mr A

18/07/2011, 11:17 AM

Surely you would agree that with a couple of more signings they will be (if they are not already) faveroutes to win the league and maybe even dare to win a couple of euro games . This would bring in some cash to refill coffers. AMBITION. ps - it shows the loyalty of their fans , other clubs might do well to follow suit.

Something about this sounds vaguely familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it.

desaintsno.12

18/07/2011, 11:19 AM

Surely you would agree that with a couple of more signings they will be (if they are not already) faveroutes to win the league and maybe even dare to win a couple of euro games . This would bring in some cash to refill coffers. AMBITION. .

I think Shels, Cork , Bohs and Drogheda had the same sort of ideas.
I forget how that worked out. Pretty well i'm sure.

Dodge

18/07/2011, 11:26 AM

We've come a long way as a country, in European club football in the past 10 years. Our clubs, Rovers included, have taken on a lot of so-called "better" sides and won. May not have broken the Group Stage ceiling yet, but it will come. A bit of ambition, and a refusal to throw in the towel before you start, gives you some chance of making a decent fist of a tie.

You realise fans don't actually play these games? Whether kdjac posts on the internet that the Ukrainians will batter Pats or not doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to the result.

Dodge

18/07/2011, 11:27 AM

Surely you would agree that with a couple of more signings they will be (if they are not already) faveroutes to win the league and maybe even dare to win a couple of euro games .
They'd need to sign 4/5 players before I'd make them favourites

This would bring in some cash to refill coffers. AMBITION
Dum-de-dum-de-dee

pineapple stu

18/07/2011, 11:29 AM

I think Shels, Cork , Bohs and Drogheda had the same sort of ideas.
I forget how that worked out. Pretty well i'm sure.
But surely there's never been a better time to overspend than now?

HulaHoop

18/07/2011, 11:34 AM

I think Shels, Cork , Bohs and Drogheda had the same sort of ideas.
I forget how that worked out. Pretty well i'm sure.

I think most clubs in Sligo's position (1 point clear at the top with 13 games to go and your main title rivals playing poorly) would take a small gamble to try and secure the title. We're not talking about the millions Shels and Bohs got themselves into debt with over a number of years, they're signing a couple of players for the last 4 months of the season. They may not be able to afford them but as long as they don't continue down the slippery slope of reckless spending into next season and address any losses they make this season I don't see much to criticise really.

desaintsno.12

18/07/2011, 11:41 AM

I think most clubs in Sligo's position (1 point clear at the top with 13 games to go and your main title rivals playing poorly) would take a small gamble to try and secure the title. We're not talking about the millions Shels and Bohs got themselves into debt with over a number of years, they're signing a couple of players for the last 4 months of the season. They may not be able to afford them but as long as they don't continue down the slippery slope of reckless spending into next season and address any losses they make this season I don't see much to criticise really.

okay, and should they not win the league, they are in debt. How can they get out of that debt ? I suppose the logical answer is to gamble on winning next years league by spending more money they dont have on players. That ought to do it

Dodge

18/07/2011, 11:44 AM

I think most clubs in Sligo's position (1 point clear at the top with 13 games to go and your main title rivals playing poorly) would take a small gamble to try and secure the title. We're not talking about the millions Shels and Bohs got themselves into debt with over a number of years, they're signing a couple of players for the last 4 months of the season. They may not be able to afford them but as long as they don't continue down the slippery slope of reckless spending into next season and address any losses they make this season I don't see much to criticise really.

Sligo released their general manager earlier this season to spend his wages on players. Do you think this is a good step? They already have the second highest budget in the league.

HulaHoop

18/07/2011, 11:45 AM

okay, and should they not win the league, they are in debt. How can they get out of that debt ? I suppose the logical answer is to gamble on winning next years league by spending more money they dont have on players. That ought to do it

That's why I said as long as they don't continue overspending next season and address any losses they make now, they will be ok. Plucking figures out of the air but say they end up losing 50k by the end of the season. Well that's 50k they will have to reduce next years budget by. If that's what they do then I don't see the problem.

HulaHoop

18/07/2011, 11:52 AM

Sligo released their general manager earlier this season to spend his wages on players. Do you think this is a good step? They already have the second highest budget in the league.

No I don't agree it is a good step. I understand them doing it though with the position they find themselves in. They will have to make cuts next season to address any losses this season, if they do that they will be ok, if they don't they will be f**ked as we all know.

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 11:53 AM

They'd need to sign 4/5 players before I'd make them favourites

Dum-de-dum-de-dee

your right indeed and I am getting a bit ahead of myself in thinking that.
Next game is very important (they all are I know) and a must win.
The euro game is worth 90000 I beleive and that will cover the costs so a win would give them a chance to make some on next round.(no mad overspending yet).
Bound to pick up injuries and cards so need backup and really no one would feel that they should concede their title challange yet . two rounds gets them to group I think and these are like cup games so anything can happen. No one gave Drogs a chance against both Rovers but they were unlucky in both games to lose by all reports . Sligo Rovers will beat the Ukranians home and away.

Dave_SRFC

18/07/2011, 11:57 AM

[QUOTE=Red Star;1509537]All Sligo Rovers supporters groups have announced a combined statement to help Sligo Rovers in what will be a very expensive month with a possible trip to Ukraine and upgrading of the showgrounds[/QU

And signing new players, here we go again another club living beyond their means...

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 12:07 PM

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 12:11 PM

Sligo released their general manager earlier this season to spend his wages on players. Do you think this is a good step? They already have the second highest budget in the league.

If they did win the league (its possible) would you think they did the right thing?

Red Star

18/07/2011, 12:12 PM

Hibs4Ever

18/07/2011, 12:16 PM

The cost of playing the uefa game in the Showgrounds along with a trip to the Ukraine would put any club in this league under pressure so supporters taken this proactive decision only reflects the goodwill for the club.

Not that much pressure if they are still able to sign big wage players

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 12:25 PM

Not that much pressure if they are still able to sign big wage players

I detect begrudging attitude emerging from some.

Red Star

18/07/2011, 12:29 PM

Not that much pressure if they are still able to sign big wage players

Supporters taking this action will ensure the club can still sign players without pushing the boundaries it's called been proactive

DaveyCakes

18/07/2011, 12:38 PM

..... I am getting a bit ahead of myself in thinking that....<snip>....Sligo Rovers will beat the Ukranians home and away.

Hmmmm....

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 12:43 PM

Hmmmm....

titles wide open at moment and i feel ukranians are beatable what dont u understand?

DaveyCakes

18/07/2011, 12:46 PM

dong

18/07/2011, 12:50 PM

Time will tell if bringing in a couple of new players now pays off. It is only a couple of players though and our crowds are up and sponsorship streams seem steady. There's also a lot of fundraisers happening.
That said, if we do run into trouble it makes us even bigger imbeciles than those who went before us.
The letting go of Packie Lynch was a mistake imo.

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 12:56 PM

What I don't understand is your certainty that we (Yes, I'm a Sligo Rovers fan) "will beat the Ukrainians home and away". What exactly is this based on? What can you tell us about them? Who are their key players? their strengths and weaknesses?

cant tell u anything about them , all i see is there euro record isnt good,they are having legal problems and they only beat a holiday team 2-0 (Glens). Sligo Rovers are at the moment playing their best of season while Ukranians lost opener. Now I obviously realise that nothing is certain but i feel confident of the win. ps dont you have confidence in it?

Charlie Darwin

18/07/2011, 1:01 PM

Beating any team 2-0 away in the Europa League qualifiers in nothing to be sniffed at, especially when you've travelled the length of Europe to play.

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 1:10 PM

Beating any team 2-0 away in the Europa League qualifiers in nothing to be sniffed at, especially when you've travelled the length of Europe to play.

Its only my opinion but I disagree.

DaveyCakes

18/07/2011, 1:14 PM

cant tell u anything about them , all i see is there euro record isnt good,they are having legal problems and they only beat a holiday team 2-0 (Glens). Sligo Rovers are at the moment playing their best of season while Ukranians lost opener. Now I obviously realise that nothing is certain but i feel confident of the win. ps dont you have confidence in it?

I'm confident that Rovers will a good account of themselves, and you never know what can happen, but the fact is that its a team from the country ranked 8th in Europe at the moment playing one from the 33rd. Fulham "only" won by 2 goals in the North the other night, so that's a red herring. And talk of poor euro records goes out the window somewhat when Vllaznia Shkoder get brought into the equation.

harleyleeds

18/07/2011, 1:26 PM

I'm confident that Rovers will a good account of themselves, and you never know what can happen, but the fact is that its a team from the country ranked 8th in Europe at the moment playing one from the 33rd. Fulham "only" won by 2 goals in the North the other night, so that's a red herring. And talk of poor euro records goes out the window somewhat when Vllaznia Shkoder get brought into the equation.

I accept all your points however I still feel its ours and stats backing me up or not I will continue to enjoy the feeling until we lose. Then I will come back down. In the meantime Im going to see what I can do to help organise the NYC contingent of Rovers fans to try and add to the brilliant fundraising work being done by the fans there.

Nah Nah Nah Nah

18/07/2011, 1:28 PM

You got to love all the digs here and negative views from other clubs supporters. The unity with Sligo Rovers supporters at the moment has never been seen in years. There is so much good will towards the club at the moment throughout the town and county in a recent fundraiser over �40000 was raised for the club. The cost of playing the uefa game in the Showgrounds along with a trip to the Ukraine would put any club in this league under pressure so supporters taken this proactive decision only reflects the goodwill for the club.

If we weren't going out and signing Conor Powell and still actively chasing Boco then I don't think the fans of any club would have a problem with what's going on. It would strike of a team having a bit of difficulty paying for a long trip across Europe. But the fact is that we're sacking commercial managers while bringing in highly paid players and then asking for season ticket holders to fork our more money on top of the few hundred euros they forked out at the start of the season as well as the �25 that had to be paid to go to the home European game. That doesn't sound good and with so much precedence out there for LOI clubs spending what they don't have (and their fans saying "there's nothing to see here" while it's being pointed out to them) I think it's right for fans of other clubs to be worried about the way we're going about things. I certainly am.

Yes I would love it if we won the league but if it puts us into the same situation that some of the other clubs have found themselves then I'll give it a miss.