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geysir
30/06/2011, 9:34 PM
Pats - unlucky me hole.
They only started to play with a bit more purpose in the last quarter, departing from type, they kept the ball mostly on the ground and were more effective by a factor of 10. In that time they had 2 great chances, Kavanagh (I think) header off the bar and in the dying minutes, Murphy (I also think) header beat the goalie but easily cleared off the line. Apart from that, Pats were powder puff and IBV cruised the 1 nil win. Pats tactics in the first half brought new meaning to the term - the ball coming down with ice.
It was a stonewall penalty and not a murmur from the Pats player, Rogers had a brain fart and took down the IBV striker with his arse flying into him.
But Rogers made 2 excellent save in a row, almost immediately afterwards, so some redemption.
Not scoring an away goal is a blow for Pats and IBV will have their main midfielder back for the 2nd leg. I think Pats would be slight favourites as surely they can't play this poorly at Inchicore.
It was boiling hot in the stand, I'm burnt to a crisp.
paul_oshea
30/06/2011, 9:49 PM
Maybe it's a bit greedy after recent years but I'd have thought that to be a poor result for Pats - is that unfair?
it sounded like a limp performance, they required some magic blue seats to up the tempo so to speak by the sounds of the commentators.
PartySaint
30/06/2011, 11:26 PM
Disappointed we didn't get and away goal, Still think we should beat them in Inchicore next week but a goal for them will make it very difficult to go through, The team from Kazakhstan drew 1-1 in Slovenia tonight so maybe going out wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, Bigger game on Sunday a win there and its a great week
TheBoss
30/06/2011, 11:27 PM
It was boiling hot in the stand, I'm burnt to a crisp.
Are you sure the stand was not a volcano ?
Dodge
30/06/2011, 11:37 PM
They only started to play with a bit more purpose in the last quarter, departing from type,
the first 3 quarters were the departure from type
ifk101
01/07/2011, 6:28 AM
Disappointing that Pats didn't get an away goal but IBV are probably more disappointed they don't have a bigger lead to take into the away leg. The onus is now on Pats to approach the home leg in a more constructive and positive manner, ie start McFaul instead of Crowley. :)
Neither of them will start. Mulcahy and Bradley in the centre if everyone is fit. Kavanagh back up front
geysir
01/07/2011, 9:30 AM
the first 3 quarters were the departure from type
Lets say that Pats' last quarter was a departure from the type they showed in the first 3/4.
IBV captain said they got sucked into the kick and run game and couldn't really get going, by their standards they were poor.
Jicked
01/07/2011, 9:35 AM
the first 3 quarters were the departure from type
Really? I'm looking forward to seeing this new expansive Pats side on Sunday so.
Hibs4Ever
01/07/2011, 9:57 AM
IBV are really poor in fairness. Needed a penalty to win, Rogers made one great save, then a couple of standard stops from shots hit from distance. St Pats had a few chances too, hitting post, clearance off line, and a few standard saves from their 'keeper. No doubt IBV will just park the bus in front of goal next week, but St Pats are clearly a better team and should progress
ifk101
01/07/2011, 9:59 AM
IBV captain said they got sucked into the kick and run game and couldn't really get going, by their standards they were poor.
In a two legged tie, the onus is on the home team to set the tempo and their style of play on the game. The away team seeks to stop the home team doing so.
Hibs4Ever
01/07/2011, 10:00 AM
In a two legged tie, the onus is on the home team to set the tempo and their style of play on the game. The away team seeks to stop the home team doing so.
Exactly. Says it all that St Pats dictated the pace and style of the game despite being away from home
Dodge
01/07/2011, 10:07 AM
Really? I'm looking forward to seeing this new expansive Pats side on Sunday so.
And I'm looking forward to you seeing them too. Nobody who's seen Pats in the last 10 games or could claim that Pats are a kick & rush team. IN fact Bradley ahs been getting almost unanimous praise for his passing from midfield
Gick last night though
Ezeikial
01/07/2011, 10:16 AM
And I'm looking forward to you seeing them too. Nobody who's seen Pats in the last 10 games or could claim that Pats are a kick & rush team. IN fact Bradley ahs been getting almost unanimous praise for his passing from midfield
Gick last night though
Pay attention Dodge - the Pats style has progressed to 'Kick & Run' - it's a very sophisticated advance
pineapple stu
01/07/2011, 10:22 AM
In other Irish involvement last night, I see Lee Trundle gave Neath the lead, only for them to lose 4-1. They were away to Aalesund, I think.
Cymro
01/07/2011, 10:51 AM
In other Irish involvement last night, I see Lee Trundle gave Neath the lead, only for them to lose 4-1. They were away to Aalesund, I think.
Legend.
With that away goal Neath just need the 3-0 win at home to progress. Easy. I'll be going to watch it, anyway.
Hibs4Ever
01/07/2011, 5:08 PM
After seeing it again from a better angle on TV3, it was never a penalty. Also, did someone not say here that IBV were heading for a 1200 sellout? They had a couple, they didn't even have half that
http://www.tv3.ie/sport.php?request=&tv3_preview=&video=37465
A thng to note about those 2 Rogers saves is that they were in the space of 30 seconds of each other
bullit
01/07/2011, 5:40 PM
A thng to note about those 2 Rogers saves is that they were in the space of 30 seconds of each other
2 world class saves too !! The chip looked in all the way.
bennocelt
01/07/2011, 7:04 PM
Two amazing saves and it did look like a peno to me - but what the hell was the def doing there anyway. Hopefully Pats can do the business next week and I'm home to watch it - 3-0 will do nicely:D Shud be beating a team like this in all honesty.
Went to see Fulham play yesterday, like a training session but Duff was very good on his first game back. Good crowd there too, and the Faroes had a few hotties. (typical Nordics blondes - what a disappointment when the Crusaders freckly support arrives in town!)
http://cache.virtualtourist.com/5103723-Things_To_Do-London.jpg
DannyInvincible
02/07/2011, 4:18 AM
After seeing it again from a better angle on TV3, it was never a penalty. Also, did someone not say here that IBV were heading for a 1200 sellout? They had a couple, they didn't even have half that
http://www.tv3.ie/sport.php?request=&tv3_preview=&video=37465
Dunno what to say about that penalty. What a mess.
bennocelt
02/07/2011, 5:26 AM
Good link showing the LOI opponents
http://ballsoutinpublic.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/anticipating-the-return-of-european-football-to-ireland/
CuanaD
02/07/2011, 10:19 AM
After seeing it again from a better angle on TV3, it was never a penalty. Also, did someone not say here that IBV were heading for a 1200 sellout? They had a couple, they didn't even have half that
http://www.tv3.ie/sport.php?request=&tv3_preview=&video=37465
Had to watch it 5 times to be sure, (at first I thought Rogers had got the ball clean)
but the defender & Keeper sandwiched the forward, & Rogers didn't get his hands to the ball until after the forward tumbled over him. Ref got it right, defender got it all wrong.
SPXcyan
02/07/2011, 1:36 PM
Definite penalty! two excellent saves from Rogers though, I'll be hoping the Saints get it right next week!
legendz
05/07/2011, 5:57 PM
I hope the Saints bounce back from last week and get the result they need to get through to the next round.
legendz
06/07/2011, 7:54 AM
There's an article in the Indo about Mahon fearing Irish clubs are slipping behind European rivals, believing that the reversion to part-time football at most Airtricity League clubs has seen a drop-off in standards and as a result he reckons expectations need to be lowered.
bennocelt
06/07/2011, 9:35 AM
There's an article in the Indo about Mahon fearing Irish clubs are slipping behind European rivals, believing that the reversion to part-time football at most Airtricity League clubs has seen a drop-off in standards and as a result he reckons expectations need to be lowered.
Usual gruff from Mahon. Does he know its a world wide recession? LOI teams shud be beating teams from Iceland. Remember Pats were 4th seeds in this round!
Dodge
06/07/2011, 10:09 AM
But only on the basis of results made by Pats 2 and 3 years ago. Our club ranking is a little bit false in that respect
LOI isn't that far ahead of Icelandic league. I think the last time clubs met from these countries a good Shels side was beaten 3-0 home & away
I'm still expecting us to beat them on Thursday though (as is Mahon)
ifk101
06/07/2011, 10:24 AM
Cork beat Valur from Iceland 2-1 on aggregate in the Intertoto Cup (2007). Cork won the first leg in Iceland 2-0.
gspain
06/07/2011, 11:00 AM
Shels also beat KR in the champions league en route to the depor tie. It was on away goals though.
Hopefully Pats win(after a tiring game with extra time involved!!!)
poster
06/07/2011, 11:23 AM
Does anyone have a link to LOI results in Europe in recent past?
marinobohs
06/07/2011, 11:28 AM
There's an article in the Indo about Mahon fearing Irish clubs are slipping behind European rivals, believing that the reversion to part-time football at most Airtricity League clubs has seen a drop-off in standards and as a result he reckons expectations need to be lowered.
Fair point by Mahon in my opinion. There is little doubt that reverting to part time will have a negitive impact on skill/fitness levels and accordingly expectations need to reflect that. Didnt get from the article that he was suggesting Pats will not beat the Icelandic team or making excuses. In recent years Pats have probobly been the best (on a consistent basis) LOI team in Europe, a "breakthrough" (qualifying for group stage) is probobly less likely this year across the (LOI) board due in major part to reversion to part time for most.
sligoman
06/07/2011, 12:15 PM
Does anyone have a link to LOI results in Europe in recent past?This (http://www.rsssf.com/tablesi/ier-ec.html) goes up as far as the last few years. Can't find anything more up to date.
Dodge
06/07/2011, 12:53 PM
Does anyone have a link to LOI results in Europe in recent past?
I can give you Pats since turn of millenium
2002 - Intertoto Cup 1st rd - v Rijeka (Croatia) - lost 2-3 away, won 1-0 home, winning on away goals
2002 - Intertoto Cup 2nd rd - v KAA Gent (Belgium) - lost 0-2 away, won 3-1 home, losing on away goals
2007 - UEFA Cup 1st QR v Odense (Denamrk) - drew 0-0 at home, lost 5-0 away
2008 - UEFA Cup 1st QR v Olimps (Riga) - won 1-0 away, 2-0 home
2008 - UEFA Cup 2nd QR v Elfsborg (Sweden) - drew 2-2 away, won 2-1 home
2008 - UEFA Cup 1st Round v Hertha Berlin (GermanY) - lost 0-2 away, drew 0-0 home
2009 - Europa League 2nd QR v Valetta (Malta) - drew 1-1 home, won 1-0 away
2009 - Europa League 3rd QR v Krylia Sovetov (Russia) - won 1-0 home, lost 2-3 away, winning on away goals
2009 - Europa League Play offs v Steaua Bucharest (Romania) - lost 0-3 away, 1-2 home
TheBoss
06/07/2011, 1:42 PM
This (http://www.rsssf.com/tablesi/ier-ec.html) goes up as far as the last few years. Can't find anything more up to date.
Missing matches:
416 02.07.2009 EL Sligo Rovers FC 1-2 KS Vllaznia Shkodër L
417 09.07.2009 EL KS Vllaznia Shkodër 1-1 Sligo Rovers FC D
418 15.07.2009 CL FC Red Bull Salzburg 1-1 Bohemian FC D
419 16.07.2009 EL FC Skonto Riga 1-1 Derry City FC D
420 16.04.2009 EL St Patrick's Athletic 1-1 Valletta FC D
421 22.07.2009 CL Bohemian FC 0-1 FC Red Bull Salzburg L
422 23.07.2009 EL Valletta FC 0-1 St Patrick's Athletic W
423 23.07.2009 EL Derry City FC 1-0 FC Skonto Riga W
424 30.07.2009 EL CSKA Sofia 1-0 Derry City FC L
425 30.07.2009 EL St Patrick's Athletic 1-0 FC Krylia Sovetov Samara W
426 06.08.2009 EL FC Krylia Sovetov Samara 3-2 St Patrick's Athletic L
427 06.08.2009 EL Derry City FC 1-1 CSKA Sofia D
428 20.08.2009 EL Steaua Bucarest 3-0 St Patrick's Athletic L
429 27.08.2009 EL St Patrick's Athletic 1-2 Steaua Bucarest L
430 01.07.2010 EL CS Grevenmacher 3-3 Dundalk FC D
431 08.07.2010 EL Dundalk FC 2-1 CS Grevenmacher W
432 13.07.2010 CL Bohemian FC 1-0 The New Saints FC W
433 15.07.2010 EL PFC Levski Sofia 6-0 Dundalk FC L
434 15.07.2010 EL CS Marítimo 3-2 Sporting Fingal L
435 15.07.2010 EL Shamrock Rovers FC 1-1 Bnei Yehuda Tel Aviv FC D
436 20.07.2010 CL The New Saints FC 4-0 Bohemian FC L
437 22.07.2010 EL Bnei Yehuda Tel Aviv FC 0-1 Shamrock Rovers FC W
438 22.07.2010 EL Dundalk FC 0-2 PFC Levski Sofia L
439 22.07.2010 EL Sporting Fingal 2-3 CS Marítimo L
440 29.07.2010 EL Shamrock Rovers FC 0-2 Juventus FC L
441 05.08.2010 EL Juventus FC 1-0 Shamrock Rovers FC L
442 30.06.2011 EL ÍBV Vestmannaeyjar 1-0 St Patrick's Athletic L
sligoman
07/07/2011, 12:27 PM
Bohs opponents - Olimpija Ljubljana Vs. Siroki Brijeg is listed as being on PaddyPowerTV tonight for anyone interested. You have to be registered to view it (it'll prob be streamed elsewhere too).
0-0 after the 1st leg.
Fester
07/07/2011, 1:58 PM
http://kassiesa.nl/uefa/clubs/
Scroll down to Irish clubs and click on each of the clubs highlighted Year (last time they played in Euorpe) and it will give every game for that Irish club ever played in Europe minus Intertoto Cup.
TheBoss
07/07/2011, 2:11 PM
So far, Shakhter Karagandy 1-1 Koper after 55 mins. (2-2 agg)
geysir
07/07/2011, 2:29 PM
No use comparing LOI results against Iceland club teams in European competition from ages ago. And not much use when the 2 best LOI sides from yesteryear (on borrowed resources), Shels and Cork, were involved. Although I do remember Shels getting hammered in Iceland before the LOI went to a Summer league
Previous hoof and run style Icelandic clubs are now strutting their stuff with the uncomfortable zeal of a newly reformed smoker and looking down their noses at more ... primitive football styles :)
Not that it means IBV will get through on aggregate tonight against Pats, it means that a humble footballing side with humble resources can attempt to play the ball and do well, they will lose possession in midfield through stray passes but don't change their style because they are afraid to try to play and will struggle to impose their game against (ahem) more primitive methods.
With a trip to Kazakhstan as a likely prize for winning, I don't think either club will be too put out by being left to 'concentrate on the league'.
Both leagues have suffered badly from the Bank crashes. Virtually every club sponsor went bankrupt in Iceland overnight at the end of the 2008 season and virtually every club went bankrupt because the sponsors couldn't meet their contractual commitments. But by spring 2009, every club was back up and running and the style of football and top notch youth system that gradually took root from around 2005, was carried on.
El-Pietro
07/07/2011, 2:44 PM
when Cork City were performing well in Europe it very much was not on borrowed resources.
we only started spending stupid money we didnt have in 2008. that year we lost 6-2 to Haka of Finland.
We got the least value for money of any time who tried to buy success
So who will be trying to throw tonight's game more? iceland to outer kazakhstan is even more of a poxy trek than from Ireland
2-1 Kargandy in injury time
when Cork City were performing well in Europe it very much was not on borrowed resources.
we only started spending stupid money we didnt have in 2008.
Pat Dolan became manager in 2003. Of course he would never ever contemplate spenidng money he didn't have
Karagandy leadhttp://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/12/22/borat2_narrowweb__300x463,0.jpg
Fester
07/07/2011, 2:52 PM
2-1 to Kargandy FT (Agg 3v2) Trip to Kazakhstan for the winner of IBV v Pats
TheBoss
07/07/2011, 3:03 PM
So who will be trying to throw tonight's game more? iceland to outer kazakhstan is even more of a poxy trek than from Ireland
2-1 Kargandy in injury time
You could easily say the same for them, they have to travel to the far west of Europe.
2-1 to Kargandy FT (Agg 3v2) Trip to Kazakhstan for the winner of IBV v Pats
ouch... that is just nasty.
ger121
07/07/2011, 3:10 PM
Based on that result, i'd say tonight's score will be nil all and Pats will save some money.
PartySaint
07/07/2011, 3:46 PM
Based on that result, i'd say tonight's score will be nil all and Pats will save some money.
Yes indeed, Tonight could be comical, both teams trying to lose
our thoughts and prayers are with St. Pats European Run at this difficult time...
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