LOI in Europe 2011

[DannyInvincible]

Is the St Pats game on radio even ?

Link to fan commentary here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-pats-live-commentary

[Mad Moose]

If you're up for a bit of fiddling, you can follow the instructions in this video, except replacing UK with Ireland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWo4727wWtI

Vorskla putting a lot of pressure on early doors. Sligo very nervous when they do get the ball.

Thanks. I did get along quite a way in doing that but then fell short as I'm operating off Vista I think. Thanks for the advice though. I've learned for the future. I should have listened in Tuesday rather than hope to watch it back.

Unlucky Sligo. I hope St Pats can make a contest of the tie tonight. An early home goal would be nice.

[Mad Moose]

Link to fan commentary here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-pats-live-commentary

I love these guys. Great commentary already. I might put on a white wash while I'm tuning into this one.

[born2bwild]

Link to fan commentary here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-pats-live-commentary
Great commentary. I feel like an Octavian Sorbet now.

[legendz]

Disappointing result for Rovers. Learning curve I guess though Shamrock Rovers did well last year. Pat's game is over already as well. Disappointing night.

[Charlie Darwin]

Pat's players earning their bonuses I see.

[dantheman]

Goal for Karpaty

[born2bwild]

Some fans shouting abuse at Pat's players...throw your wallet away and you might get the ball... etc

[ger121]

A poor 48 hours for the league. Add in the Super Cup debacle and it's been one hell of a week!

[Spudulika]

Love what they're saying - "if you're going to win, win gracefully. Must be something about teams in green and white."

This is decent commentary, a bit blinkered but honest.

[legendz]

I enjoyed the commentary for the first few games but it's gotten a bit boring and predictable by now.

[born2bwild]

I enjoyed the commentary for the first few games but it's gotten a bit boring and predictable by now.
Lots of things do, with repetition.

[nigel-harps1954]

Sligo were just not great tonight. The whole idea of lumping the ball up the field at every opportunity to Doyle once he came on was never going to work.
Goals were given away cheaply and they fell asleep after the first went in. There was a clear gulf in class though and the Ukrainian side were excellent with every pass inch perfect.
Haven't seen any of the Pats game yet, but I would hope they get some sort of result out of the game. They're as good as out now but still it would be nice for them to nick a 2-1 win on the night.

[freewheel30]

Goals from the Sligo game, hadn't seen them myself as the stream was very patchy.

http://www.goal4replay.net/VideoWatchF.asp?ID=56743&Ln=En

http://www.goal4replay.net/VideoWatchF.asp?ID=56746&Ln=En


Disappointing conclusions to all three ties, hopefully Pats can at least nick a goal . . .

[Dave_SRFC]

Disaster for Sligo wonder if they'll be asking their fans not to use their season tickets again...

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Totally outclassed. 2-0 flattered us. Some difference to this time last week.

[Fester]

Pats equalize 56' McMillan

[paul_oshea]

I think this is the extra step that they will struggle to ever reach really.

there is quite a gulf in class.

Can only hope the draws are lucky to them over the next few years and who knows...

[dantheman]

The coefficient points alone will be handy

[dantheman]

Watching the Hearts match on another stream. They look fitter & stronger than LOI, but no more skillful

[Fester]

2 v 1 to Karpaty now.

[superjohnny]

3-1 karpaty.. game over.. sounded like they outclassed them all over the pitch.

[ger121]

So finished 3-1 on the night. The Ukrainian league isn't ranked 8th in Europe for no reason. Both the sides who won tonight would be confident of getting to the EL Group stages at the very least.

[Cuyahoga]

Full time. Pats lost 3.1 Its a tough station this European lark. I was watching Stoke's game earlier and they made hard work of it and they pay big wages compared to our league.

[maksimir]

Watching the Hearts match on another stream. They look fitter & stronger than LOI, but no more skillful

Hearts of course will have a full-time fitness coach and a full-time physio not to include a state of the art fitness suite - and as pros they'll have more training time which includes free weight programs and resistance machine workouts. A lot of the Pat's lads would be part-time I'd say? I'd say part-timers training will be mainly tactical work and skill drills, etc.

[geysir]

Plucky effort from the LOI, but ultimately lagging way behind the talented ball-playing Iceland league.

LOI 3 wins 3 draws - coeff 1.125

LOIceland 5 wins 1 draw - coeff 1.375
(including a hammering dished out to champion league specialists Zilina and an emphatic home win against Norway's Rosenburg.

[maksimir]

Disaster for Sligo wonder if they'll be asking their fans not to use their season tickets again...

Really - disaster? I'm not a Sligo fan but a bit of money made, improvements to the ground, european experience, maybe a few more fans gained, etc is fairly acceptable, and going out to a pretty decent Ukranian outfit is no shame.

Also as they are chasing the title with yourselves, Derry and Pat's would you not have wished the two sides progressed tonight instead of now being able to concentrate on the league?

[ger121]

Plucky effort from the LOI, but ultimately lagging way behind the talented ball-playing Iceland league.

LOI 3 wins 3 draws - coeff 1.125

LOIceland 5 wins 1 draw - coeff 1.375
(including a hammering dished out to champion league specialists Zilina and an emphatic home win against Norway's Rosenburg.

Lets be fair, the tie was over after the first leg in Trondheim. I'll give you the Zilina home leg though.That was a good result against the odds. KR got a good hiding at home against Dinamo Tbilisi, while 2 of the wins were against Faroese opposition. Just giving the facts;)

[hoopy]

Really - disaster? I'm not a Sligo fan but a bit of money made, improvements to the ground, european experience, maybe a few more fans gained, etc is fairly acceptable, and going out to a pretty decent Ukranian outfit is no shame.



Can't see it unless they got free drink for their 25 quid.

[Charlie Darwin]

Who was the lad saying these Ukrainian teams were average enough?

[born2bwild]

Who was the lad saying these Ukrainian teams were average enough?

I said that Poltava were beatable. By Sligo. They were. As for Pat's: I never thought they had a chance.

[dantheman]

I said that Poltava were beatable. By Sligo. They were. As for Pat's: I never thought they had a chance.


Would agree with this, there was a gap between Pats & their opponents.
Over the two legs, Sligo were more guilty of not taking chances, the gap was not huge.

Rovers were unlucky with getting Copenhagen in the draw, they are now the top seeds left on that side of the CL draw.

However looking at their opponents in the next round, I can't see where the win could come from. Austria Wien may be the pick:

Sevilla Esp
AS Roma Ita
Tottenham Hotspur Eng
PSV Eindhoven Ned
Atlético Madrid *3 Esp
Sporting CP Lisbon Por
Sporting Braga Por
Schalke 04 Ger
Dinamo Kiev @3 Ukr
Panathinaikos @3 Gre
Glasgow Rangers @3 Sco
Spartak Moscow Rus
Paris Saint-Germain Fra
AZ Alkmaar *3 Ned
Anderlecht Bel
Fulham FC * Eng
Celtic Sco
Besiktas Tur
Hapoel Tel-Aviv *3 Isr
Metalist Kharkiv Ukr
Standard Liège @3 Bel
Club Brugge *3 Bel
AEK Athens Gre
Sparta Praha *3 Cze
Steaua Bucuresti Rom
Athletic Bilbao Esp
Lazio Roma Ita
Dinamo Bucuresti *3 Rom
FC Salzburg ** Aut
Rosenborg BK @3 Nor
Lokomotiv Moscow Rus
PAOK Thessaloniki *3 Gre
Birmingham City Eng
Stoke City *3 Eng
Stade Rennais *3 Fra
Austria Wien ** Aut
Rapid Bucuresti Rom
Partizan Belgrade @3 Srb

[abcd]

Was hoping against hope 1 or more of the LOI teams would get through this week or at least run their opponents close but class seemed to tell in all 3 ties. Coefficient isn't going that well but really it doesn't tell the whole story with Sligo starting so late in the competition and Bohs not being in a good state.

29th in the coefficient a season or two ago was as high as we'll go for a while. Even if we slip down further it just means that 2 teams will start in the 1st round which give a much better opportunity of picking up points.We'll probably fluctuate in the 30's for the next few years.

Don't know the ins and outs of it but in terms of the club coefficient I'd imagine Shamrock Rovers and Pats should be seeded in the first couple of rounds if they are in Europe next season. Sligo can get through some of the early rounds too and Derry have a decent team and have usually represented the league well.

Also I don't think the draw this season was overly kind in the Europa considering our seeding. It'll be interesting to see who Shamrock Rovers get tomorrow.

[legendz]

So finished 3-1 on the night. The Ukrainian league isn't ranked 8th in Europe for no reason. Both the sides who won tonight would be confident of getting to the EL Group stages at the very least.

Disappointing results but I have to agree with this. The Ukrainian league is 8th for a reason and produced the UEFA Cup winner in '09. It would have been great to have one other club in the draw for tomorrow but I guess other clubs have more of a progression to make.

[sligoman]

No surprises we lost, completely different level to us. We didn't play our best but we still wouldn't have bet them. Ref was terrible too.

Just hope we can get our minds right for league games now and not get a European hangover.

At least they lost to a team trying to win, this time :)Imagine if Derry got to group stages, would cost ye a fortune having to pay players two seperate contracts in the 'off season'.

[mypost]

Would agree with this, there was a gap between Pats & their opponents.
Over the two legs, Sligo were more guilty of not taking chances, the gap was not huge.

Rovers were unlucky with getting Copenhagen in the draw, they are now the top seeds left on that side of the CL draw.

However looking at their opponents in the next round, I can't see where the win could come from. Austria Wien may be the pick:

We made Copenhagen work for their progression, and competed with them for most of the tie. Last man standing in Europe again.

[sullanefc]

Imagine if Derry got to group stages, would cost ye a fortune having to pay players two seperate contracts in the 'off season'.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/16/128844128452651346.jpg

[ger121]

Would agree with this, there was a gap between Pats & their opponents.
Over the two legs, Sligo were more guilty of not taking chances, the gap was not huge.

Rovers were unlucky with getting Copenhagen in the draw, they are now the top seeds left on that side of the CL draw.

However looking at their opponents in the next round, I can't see where the win could come from. Austria Wien may be the pick:

Sevilla Esp
AS Roma Ita
Tottenham Hotspur Eng
PSV Eindhoven Ned
Atlético Madrid *3 Esp
Sporting CP Lisbon Por
Sporting Braga Por
Schalke 04 Ger
Dinamo Kiev @3 Ukr
Panathinaikos @3 Gre
Glasgow Rangers @3 Sco
Spartak Moscow Rus
Paris Saint-Germain Fra
AZ Alkmaar *3 Ned
Anderlecht Bel
Fulham FC * Eng
Celtic Sco
Besiktas Tur
Hapoel Tel-Aviv *3 Isr
Metalist Kharkiv Ukr
Standard Liège @3 Bel
Club Brugge *3 Bel
AEK Athens Gre
Sparta Praha *3 Cze
Steaua Bucuresti Rom
Athletic Bilbao Esp
Lazio Roma Ita
Dinamo Bucuresti *3 Rom
FC Salzburg ** Aut
Rosenborg BK @3 Nor
Lokomotiv Moscow Rus
PAOK Thessaloniki *3 Gre
Birmingham City Eng
Stoke City *3 Eng
Stade Rennais *3 Fra
Austria Wien ** Aut
Rapid Bucuresti Rom
Partizan Belgrade @3 Srb

Very hard to see a winnable tie in that list. Got to be one of the toughest group of seeds at this stage I've seen. The bottom 3 seeds might offer Rovers a sniff. Beyond that I'm not sure. Rosenborg are not the side they once were.

From a financial side, maybe a team from Germany for tv rights. Otherwise, one of the English or Scottish sides could draw a big crowd (if home leg was moved) Sevilla, Roma or Lazio would also be a nice draw

If I was to pick a side to face, I'd go for Birmingham. In the Championship now. Season just about to start so maybe a good time to play them and spring a surprise. Would also draw some interest from the Irish "Football" public and hopefully on the box.

[dantheman]

So finished 3-1 on the night. The Ukrainian league isn't ranked 8th in Europe for no reason. Both the sides who won tonight would be confident of getting to the EL Group stages at the very least.

Puts St Pats achievement 2 years ago in getting past Samara (from the 6th ranked Russian league) in perspective!

[Real ale Madrid]

. The Ukrainian league is 8th for a reason and produced the UEFA Cup winner in '09..

Yeah - they have 5 teams in the playoff round - more than any other nation - I know its more due to losing champs league but still emphasises the quality of the league there.

[BohsFans]

Thats a quality looking temporary stand they put up. And they moved the scoreboard? Place looks in good knick anyway. Looking forward to this one.

yet another terrace gone and you're happy? Hopefully it will be restored now that they are out. There's only 3 left in the Premier and 1 in the First!

:(

[sligoman]

Last man standing in Europe again.Some achievement beating Flora alright.

[DannyInvincible]

Very disappointing day for the league in Europe, not to mention what went on this morning. Really thought Sligo had a chance on home soil but they were on the back-foot from the word "go". I couldn't even listen to the full Pat's game after Lviv got their away goal, I was so unenamoured by the goings on earlier in the day. How were the players received by the fans generally?


Very hard to see a winnable tie in that list. Got to be one of the toughest group of seeds at this stage I've seen. The bottom 3 seeds might offer Rovers a sniff. Beyond that I'm not sure. Rosenborg are not the side they once were.

From a financial side, maybe a team from Germany for tv rights. Otherwise, one of the English or Scottish sides could draw a big crowd (if home leg was moved) Sevilla, Roma or Lazio would also be a nice draw

If I was to pick a side to face, I'd go for Birmingham. In the Championship now. Season just about to start so maybe a good time to play them and spring a surprise. Would also draw some interest from the Irish "Football" public and hopefully on the box.

Questionable. The Barclay's Great Irish Sporting Public™ are only really interested in the Top Four™ and Celtic. Maybe Spurs at a push or some club like Fulham or Spartak with an Irish player (although McGeady is injured at the minute). Rangers might cause a bit of a stir and actually give Rovers a chance. I'm assuming they'll have a few players suspended for the next round after their awful disciplinary showing against Malmö. They might provide a quick windfall, but "glamour ties" don't do anything for Irish football in the long-term. Shels-Deportivo showed that. Birmingham might be vulnerable at the minute, mind. Whatever tie offers Rovers the greatest chance of progression, even if slim, is the one they ought to be after. What about Salzburg? Bohs pushed them close a few seasons ago and things might have been very different had it not been for a suicidal mix-up of a similar nature to the goal they gave away to Ljubljana in Dalymount this year.

[placid casual]

some achievement missing two sitters in the away leg and then killing your chances off in the space of 90 seconds by lazy midefielders not tracking back.
perhaps your manager should have adopted the MON style of coaching instead.

still, you can concentrate on the league now, so all's well that ends well eh.;)

[DaveyPats]

The Pats match tonight was horrible.

Half the crowd clapping the players while the other half booed.

Shocking night all around.

Hard luck to Sligo too.....

[DannyInvincible]

One thing I noticed before the Sligo game... The Vorskla players were casually taking up their positions around the pitch before kick-off. They just looked confident; the demanour oozed superiority. In contrast, the Sligo players could barely hold still for a team photo. Bar Joey Ndo, they were racing around like nervous wrecks. The game was probably lost psychologically before it even kicked off.


Sligo Rovers will beat the Ukranians home and away.


f*** the co efficiant we got a good result and can win it at home.

You've gone quiet this evening. Are you prepared to admit your bluster was all rather outlandish now?

[mypost]

Some achievement beating Flora alright.

It's one achievement more than what Sligo did.

[Spudulika]

Puts St Pats achievement 2 years ago in getting past Samara (from the 6th ranked Russian league) in perspective!

While it was a good result the background to it was very similiar to Shels-Hajduk a few years before. KS were 20-odd million in debt, about to fold, not paying players, the main stars refusing to line out, Koller (who was magnificent all season beforehand) being punished for speaking out about not receiving 3 months wages. And basically the club was in the sh!t. Hajduk - heavily in debt, players not paid for 6 months, coach being told what to do, internal war and players boozing it up the night before the return leg. Much of a muchness.

Pats did very well to get as far as they did this year, of all the LOI teams in Europe they overperformed and were a credit to our leagues. I hope they get back into Europe next year and get an even better run.

On the topic of full-time vs part-time, from my own experience it's not the amout of training or time you spend in the gym, it's recovery. As a part-timer you're not able to rest up after a hard work out, you have to go to the office or what have you. Plus You land into training straight after finishing your 9-5 and maybe haven't been able to eat properly, or be stressed to the nines etc. Ireland can sustain 8-10 pro clubs if there was a franchise system and it was run properly, though given how we can't even organise our banks and transport infrastructure something as simple as a sports league is never going to work.

[Kingdom]

However looking at their opponents in the next round, I can't see where the win could come from. Austria Wien may be the pick:

Sevilla Esp
AS Roma Ita
Tottenham Hotspur Eng
PSV Eindhoven Ned
Atlético Madrid *3 Esp
Sporting CP Lisbon Por
Sporting Braga Por
Schalke 04 Ger
Dinamo Kiev @3 Ukr
Panathinaikos @3 Gre
Glasgow Rangers @3 Sco
Spartak Moscow Rus
Paris Saint-Germain Fra
AZ Alkmaar *3 Ned
Anderlecht Bel
Fulham FC * Eng
Celtic Sco
Besiktas Tur
Hapoel Tel-Aviv *3 Isr
Metalist Kharkiv Ukr
Standard Liège @3 Bel
Club Brugge *3 Bel
AEK Athens Gre
Sparta Praha *3 Cze
Steaua Bucuresti Rom
Athletic Bilbao Esp
Lazio Roma Ita
Dinamo Bucuresti *3 Rom
FC Salzburg ** Aut
Rosenborg BK @3 Nor
Lokomotiv Moscow Rus
PAOK Thessaloniki *3 Gre
Birmingham City Eng
Stoke City *3 Eng
Stade Rennais *3 Fra
Austria Wien ** Aut
Rapid Bucuresti Rom
Partizan Belgrade @3 Srb

Can they draw any of these teams?

PAOK, Austria Vienna, Rosenborg or Metalist might be the best chances of getting through. Birmingham are in the sh*tter as well - that's a big possibility.

How do Rovers fans feel - do they think they can advance or are they looking for the high profile game?

[Dodge]

Karpaty were the best side we've faced in Europe. maybe Steaua but I didn't see the away leg (just the goals).