Potentially eligible players thread

[Bielsa´s irish]

england is playing italy I expect the same treatment with the englanders, hope him goes IRELAND and JEBBIDON canada, the further they go the more insults they will get, we dont want england tor win it on argentina soil, i feel bad about DELAP because maybe he doesnt deserve it not so sure about the rest of the team, dont know if he sang GSTQ since I caught the match vs iraq after 10 min

[tetsujin1979]

yes my friend is all over the highlights on internet and in the oficial broadcast on national tv and cable tv, check also when DELAP takes the penalty the insults from the stands and the antianglo songs, the whole england team was insulted the same with the french, verify the chants, we have deep repugnance of both the english because of colonialism and war , the french for football reasons they have menaced and insulted MESSI the few last months more so after we won the holy grail of football, my good friend

on delap I hope yesterday's incident makes clear his mind and go green


Good, there's highlight videos available. Please provide a link to one.

[John83]

england is playing italy I expect the same treatment with the englanders, hope him goes IRELAND and JEBBIDON canada, the further they go the more insults they will get, we dont want england tor win it on argentina soil, i feel bad about DELAP because maybe he doesnt deserve it not so sure about the rest of the team, dont know if he sang GSTQ since I caught the match vs iraq after 10 min
You've been warned about random capital letters before. Cut it out.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Check ir by yourselves when England takes Italy un Buenos Aires territorio, capital city of Bs As province. YouTube you can Find those insults and Delap's peno

[Bielsa´s irish]

We dont want England to prevail. Hope delap can check His mistake the hard way here, he was insulted last sunday in the Diego Maradona's International Stadium, Liam D, he felt the heat I reckon

[liamoo11]

Delap seems to have had a poor tournament so far going on reports from the English forum. It would be great to see him come on board for us. His first year of senior football has been a challenge. Louie Barry similarly has struggled in league football more than parrott has for comparison

[tetsujin1979]

Check ir by yourselves when England takes Italy un Buenos Aires territorio, capital city of Bs As province. YouTube you can Find those insults and Delap's peno
You have a day to provide what was asked.

[Bielsa´s irish]

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportes/inglaterra-vs-uruguay-en-el-mundial-sub-20-el-que-no-salta-es-un-ingles-botellazos-insultos-y-gestos-nid25052023/

[Bielsa´s irish]

https://www.pagina12.com.ar/552879-mundial-sub-20-el-publico-se-enfrento-con-los-chicos-inglese

[Bielsa´s irish]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/20787412/anti-english-argentina-song-no1-spotify/amp/

[Bielsa´s irish]

An english ref cant be in an argentina match and viceversa

[tetsujin1979]

Looks like the whole team was targeted, not just Delap. Also, we have a policy of not linking to the S*n newspaper. Ever.
I'm surprised any Argentinean would link to it.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Because we loved ir reading how much they hate us, the only love weve got from nations were mainly from the irish, cuba, india, Bangladesh and the basques the scottish and the welsh but those last 3 cant be nations. We loved following the english media during wc 2022. I watched Liam Brady on youtube on rte in the final wearing sky blue and White!!!

[Bielsa´s irish]

Looks like the whole team was targeted, not just Delap. Also, we have a policy of not linking to the S*n newspaper. Ever.
I'm surprised any Argentinean would link to it.

Tetsujin 1979, se está poniendo mal y picante contra los inglesitos, no es una joda mía. Los van a cagar a trompadas, te avisé, 0 chamuyo, now they play Italy on thursday, our people will do everything in our power to prevent them to prevail, check the highlights on internet when Delap kicks the penalty and when he got replaced, this Is Good in the irish perspective, they have to feel this dual footballers what it Is to play for an Empire colonialist monarchy, we never forget,

[John83]

ChatGPT, please convert the above from bull**** into plain English:
"Tetsujin 1979 is getting serious and aggressive against the English, this isn't a joke. They're going to rough them up, I've warned you, no exaggeration. Now, they're playing Italy on Thursday, our side will do everything possible to prevent them from winning. Look up the highlights on the internet when Delap takes the penalty kick and when he gets substituted. This is good from the Irish point of view. These dual-nationality footballers need to understand what it means to play for a colonialist monarchy. We never forget."

[Snapshot]

Tetsujin 1979, se está poniendo mal y picante contra los inglesitos, no es una joda mía. Los van a cagar a trompadas, te avisé, 0 chamuyo, now they play Italy on thursday, our people will do everything in our power to prevent them to prevail, check the highlights on internet when Delap kicks the penalty and when he got replaced, this Is Good in the irish perspective, they have to feel this dual footballers what it Is to play for an Empire colonialist monarchy, we never forget,
Spanish. Rhymes with suck.

[Bielsa´s irish]

Spanish. Rhymes with suck.
Yeah, thats why I dont speak spanish, I speak argentinian / uruguayan, ITS like french but translated into castellano, a diferent flavor.

Back to topic, we dont want them to win it in our land we aré gonna do everything in our scope to make it hard for the little englanders Delap included, hope this kid realizes what playing for them means globally, you cant take polítics away from footballers and foorball.
This under 20 tournament, was removed from Indonesia because the religious Clash with Israel and a governor was doing public remarks against the israelis

[tetsujin1979]

Liam Delap's playing in the U20 World Cup for England, that's about all that's relevant for this topic. If you have anything else to discuss about the tournament, take it to the World League Football forum

[elatedscum]

According to Kenny, Dennis Cirkin considering switching. Ireland investigating if he’s eligible.

All the talk has surrounded the third gen people who aren’t on the foreign births register but presumably due to the Michael McDowell referendum where the right to citizenship at birth was removed, we’re in a situation where players born in Ireland aren’t necessarily eligible for Ireland.

Seems totally insane that he wouldn’t be eligible

[pineapple stu]

presumably due to the Michael McDowell referendum where the right to citizenship at birth was removed, we’re in a situation where players born in Ireland aren’t necessarily eligible for Ireland.
By the Michael McDowell referendum, do you mean the one supported by the coalition government and the leading opposition party and which passed with 80% of the vote? The one to stop people rocking up here nine months pregnant, giving birth while their (bogus) asylum claim was being looked into, and then getting whatever benefits were going, as was happening quite a lot?

Seems entirely reasonable, and a bit unfair to dismiss it as "the Michael McDowell referendum".

[Diggs246]

That's not correct anyway
Anyone born in the rep of Ireland is automatically a citizen
The 'Michael McDowell referendum "
Stopped their parents getting automatic citenzship

[JR89]

That's not correct anyway
Anyone born in the rep of Ireland is automatically a citizen
The 'Michael McDowell referendum "
Stopped their parents getting automatic citenzship

No they're not.


According to Kenny, Dennis Cirkin considering switching. Ireland investigating if he’s eligible.

All the talk has surrounded the third gen people who aren’t on the foreign births register but presumably due to the Michael McDowell referendum where the right to citizenship at birth was removed, we’re in a situation where players born in Ireland aren’t necessarily eligible for Ireland.

Seems totally insane that he wouldn’t be eligible

Cirkin was born before the referendum so is eligible.

[Diggs246]

I don't get you? are you saying if you are born here you don't get citizenship

[CraftyToePoke]

According to Kenny, Dennis Cirkin considering switching. Ireland investigating if he’s eligible.

All the talk has surrounded the third gen people who aren’t on the foreign births register but presumably due to the Michael McDowell referendum where the right to citizenship at birth was removed, we’re in a situation where players born in Ireland aren’t necessarily eligible for Ireland.

Seems totally insane that he wouldn’t be eligible

Here's the SK quote FWIW

“I know all about Dennis,” revealed the boss. “He declared for England, so we’ll have to see on that one.

“He’s just focussing on Sunderland this season. I’ve asked that question and I’m not even 100% sure. It’s yet to be confirmed that he can switch and he hasn’t applied to do so.”

Needs to love the Eire a few % more than he does there I'd say Bill ..... :D

[Diggs246]

No they're not.



Cirkin was born before the referendum so is eligible.



Btw if your right, that's absolutely outrageous and I'm with you 100%

[JR89]

I don't get you? are you saying if you are born here you don't get citizenship

Anyone born on or after the 1st of January 2005 receive Irish citizenship at birth if at least one of their parents is an Irish citizen or entitled to be one, a British citizen, a resident with no time limit of stay in either the Republic or Northern Ireland, or a resident who has been domiciled on the island of Ireland for at least three of the preceding four years.

So yes, anyone born here are not automatically entitled to Irish citizenship. If Michael Obafemi was born five years later very well likely wouldn't have been entitled to citizenship unless his one of his parents had gained British citizenship.

[elatedscum]

That's not correct anyway
Anyone born in the rep of Ireland is automatically a citizen
The 'Michael McDowell referendum "
Stopped their parents getting automatic citenzship

you're 100% wrong about this - in fact parents never got automatic citizenship, they were granted the right to reside as guardians of an irish citizen. that right was removed with legislation that was brought in about a year or two prior to the referendum. that was insane as well - deporting the mother of an irish citizen as soon as they're born, and by proxy, denying an irish citizen the right to live in the country to which they were citizens.

The referendum that McDowell brought in meant that only children born in Ireland who's parent(s) were Irish were automatically granted citizenship.

[Razors left peg]

I struggle to understand how citizenship works sometimes. My wife for example could have gotten citizenship through residency for living in Ireland for over 10 years before we got married, and then could have gotten it through marriage with me... but now we live abroad she cant get it. Kinda doesnt make sense to me that a footballer who has never been to Ireland and just has a grandparent in the past can get it.

In Cirkins case, Id imagine the issue might be if he had changed his nationality with FIFA in the past can he change it back again?

[Diggs246]

you're 100% wrong about this - in fact parents never got automatic citizenship, they were granted the right to reside as guardians of an irish citizen. that right was removed with legislation that was brought in about a year or two prior to the referendum. that was insane as well - deporting the mother of an irish citizen as soon as they're born, and by proxy, denying an irish citizen the right to live in the country to which they were citizens.

The referendum that McDowell brought in meant that only children born in Ireland who's parent(s) were Irish were automatically granted citizenship.

I responded to the wrong post on this before. It's absolutely outrageous that someone born in Ireland doesn't have automatic citenzship. I can't believe this was voted in.

Half our best Players are of Nigerian stock!

[pineapple stu]

In fairness, there's more to life than football. It was entirely right to stop what was happening at the time (albeit now I think responsibility for that has been devolved to the airlines, who aren't supposed to let anyone on a flight without the required visa or passport for the destination)

[Diggs246]

I hope I'm wrong but that law looks to be solely designed for African people.?

The cheek of us after 100s of year of us settling in other countries.

[liamoo11]

I hope I'm wrong but that law looks to be solely designed for African people.?

The cheek of us after 100s of year of us settling in other countries.

A dark stain on our history as a nation unfortunately, mcdowell and his party somehow survived for a few more years after that.

[pineapple stu]

I hope I'm wrong but that law looks to be solely designed for African people.?

The cheek of us after 100s of year of us settling in other countries.
It was designed for anyone who was hopping on a plane nine months pregnant to use that to scam their way into another country. So no, it wasn't designed solely for Africans. It may have been Africans who were the primary scammers, but that's their fault.

In a climate emergency, I don't see how you can defend someone hopping on a plane to fly thousands of miles (about the worst thing a person can do for the environment) just to have a baby somewhere else.

Not to mention the drain we're putting on developing economies by encouraging people to up sticks and leave. Or the risks the mother was taking (to the child as well as to herself) by undergoing a journey of that nature while so heavily pregnant. Or the pressure it was putting on our hospitals having up to 29% of births come in this way

"Dark stain on our history" is a rather ignorant way of looking at it.

I don't think other countries have a similar law - but largely because, as I say, nowadays the airlines wouldn't let these people on the plane in the first place. (Edit - actually, Wikipedia says we were the last European country to have birth granting citizenship, which explains why we were targeted. It seems we just brought our laws in line with that referendum. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli)

[Eirambler]

At least we got a few decent footballers out of it before the door closed - and maybe a couple of sprinters, who knows!

In reality I think it was a loophole that needed to be closed, holding a different position to every other country in Europe was causing problems. I think it only existed the way it did before that to ensure that anyone born in the north had no issues being an Irish citizen, but the GFA fully confirmed that anyway so the reasons for changing outweighed the reasons for leaving it as it was.

[tetsujin1979]

I've seen discussions on that referendum, and any potential future changes to it, take a nasty turn on other forums, to let's keep it to any relevance to football, without speculation about why it passed, what it means about who pushed it through, voted for or against, etc
If you do want to discuss the referendum itself, please use the current affairs forum

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[tetsujin1979]

Tyler Goodrham, a 20 year old winger at Oxford, who was their youngest player when he made his debut, has confirmed he's obtained his Irish passport, qualifying through his paternal grandmother
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/23754459.oxford-united-winger-tyler-goodrham-obtains-irish-citizenship/

[seanfhear]

Aldridge and Houghton worked out pretty well for us ~ No pressure young fella.

[CraftyToePoke]

The EFL highlights show the other night picked him out, said there was Championship interest in him this window.

[pineapple stu]

Three goals in five games already this season; not bad for a midfielder/winger. Matches his league tally for the previous two seasons - 3 in 36 for Oxford and 3 in 17 for Slough. Looks like one of the more interesting players in this category I think. Certainly moving in the right direction.

[JR89]

If Festy moves to the seniors then there's definitely an opportunity there alright for someone to come in at RW. No one else is really standing out at club level for that spot and we've got San Marino at home in one of the games so perfect opposition if you were to give someone their debut.

For the home game against Turkey I wouldn't be surprised if he reverts back to playing three CBs.

[SkStu]

Tyler Goodrham, a 20 year old winger at Oxford, who was their youngest player when he made his debut, has confirmed he's obtained his Irish passport, qualifying through his maternal grandmother
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/23754459.oxford-united-winger-tyler-goodrham-obtains-irish-citizenship/

Was there talk about him on here before that he might be eligible? As I was drinking my coffee at the weekend, hitting refresh on BBC score updates ;) I saw his name flash up and thought to myself "I think he might be one of ours" but then very quickly said "shut up Stu, you're making sh!t up again".

[CraftyToePoke]

Was there talk about him on here before that he might be eligible?

He was definitely mentioned somewhere because when the show I was watching picked him out as an upwardly mobile transfer candidate I zoned in too.

[irishfan86]

My apologies if these guys have already been discussed. Two impressive youngsters at Leicester.

Callum Doyle and Kasey McAteer. Both English born, McAteer doesn’t seem to have played internationally at underage level. Doyle as a Man City prospect I assume will try to eventually play for England’s senior team.

Anybody know if either eligible for us?

[Olé Olé]

My apologies if these guys have already been discussed. Two impressive youngsters at Leicester.

Callum Doyle and Kasey McAteer. Both English born, McAteer doesn’t seem to have played internationally at underage level. Doyle as a Man City prospect I assume will try to eventually play for England’s senior team.

Anybody know if either eligible for us?

Doyle's grandfather was English born and play for Man City so even if an Irish connection exists it is not close enough to be derived from the surname.

[ColourfulPeanut]

Doyle's grandfather was English born and play for Man City so even if an Irish connection exists it is not close enough to be derived from the surname.
You're thinking of the midfielder Tommy Doyle who's grandfathers were City players, Mike Doyle and Glyn Pardoe. He's on loan with Wolves at the moment.

This Callum Doyle is a defender, a few years younger and no relation to Tommy as far as I can tell.

[Olé Olé]

You're thinking of the midfielder Tommy Doyle who's grandfathers were City players, Mike Doyle and Glyn Pardoe. He's on loan with Wolves at the moment.

This Callum Doyle is a defender, a few years younger and no relation to Tommy as far as I can tell.

Ah, cool, thanks. 100% correct. No idea so!

[tetsujin1979]

Kenny mentioned yesterday that a Championship winger is in the process of changing allegiance to Ireland, but was held up by paperwork. Wonder who it is?

[CraftyToePoke]

Kenny mentioned yesterday that a Championship winger is in the process of changing allegiance to Ireland, but was held up by paperwork. Wonder who it is?

Would like it to be McAteer at Leicester.
No England underage caps.

It'll probably be Marcus Harness paperwork finally arriving.

Patrick Roberts qualifies. 26 now with a huge England underage past. Lynden Gooch mentioned. Cirkin and Delap mentioned although not wingers.

Tenner on Roberts says I.

[Razors left peg]

Jack McGlynn was one we thought we were after for a while. He was in USA U23 team last week as they started their Olympics 2024 prep.... we aint getting him

[Razors left peg]

Would like it to be McAteer at Leicester.
No England underage caps.

It'll probably be Marcus Harness paperwork finally arriving.

Patrick Roberts qualifies. 26 now with a huge England underage past. Lynden Gooch mentioned. Cirkin and Delap mentioned although not wingers.

Tenner on Roberts says I.


Harness would be very underwhelming considering he was already supposed to be ours.

Does McAteer have any connections other than a famous name?

Roberts was once a fantastic prospect on loan at Celtic, but at 26 hes become pretty ordinary.

Kenny likes to play players out of position so a winger from his words could be Delap or Cirkin