Potentially eligible players thread

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TOWK

How about naming your all time English born Ireland x11

thought i start you off

Dean Kiely

Jason Mcateer - David O'Leary - Paul McGrath - Terry Phelan

Tony Galvin - Andy Townsend - John Sherridan - Kevin Kilbane

Tony Cascarino - John Aldridge
Jason McAteer at right back? THAT is a paddling.

[third policeman]

Would favour Hughton over Phelan

[geysir]

Jason McAteer at right back? THAT is a paddling.
McAteer was a very good full back.
In fact, immediately when Kelly got sent off v Netherlands in 2001, I though Mick should have placed McAteer at RB and moved Duff out wide right, that would have been much better.:)

[CraftyToePoke]

Chris Morris would be the full back in that line up surely.

[Stuttgart88]

Hat trick for Hogan today

[CraftyToePoke]

Yeah, saw that, he would want to ease off till we cap him or it could start looking a bit three lions.

[zero]

Yeah, saw that, he would want to ease off till we cap him or it could start looking a bit three lions.

yep, it's a race against time now before we either cap him or we are banned from mentioning his name.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

@ samhaydenjr

I admire your optimism, but that's a very optimistic way of looking at things. Bamford and Hogan's enthusiasm for playing for Ireland is self-explanatory. I am not going to post the relevant quotes again. To me, it looks like Keane is putting the feelers out because his career is in a bit of a downswing. In any case, I don't think he would do a job for us let alone England.

Arter, Christie and McGoldrick all ended up playing for Ireland without any protraction. If we are still talking about players potentially playing for us months and years down the line I think it's somewhat of an exercise in futility.

Well Christie has flat out admitted that he played for Ireland because he wasn't good enough to play for England - I admire his honesty. I recall McGoldrick saying similar. I can't speak for Arter or O'Dowda. The latter may become a Premier League star, admittedly, but he didn't even make the bench for Bristol City today and from what I have seen of him he has a lot to learn at Championship level.

[samhaydenjr]

@ samhaydenjr

I admire your optimism, but that's a very optimistic way of looking at things. Bamford and Hogan's enthusiasm for playing for Ireland is self-explanatory. I am not going to post the relevant quotes again. To me, it looks like Keane is putting the feelers out because his career is in a bit of a downswing. In any case, I don't think he would do a job for us let alone England.

Arter, Christie and McGoldrick all ended up playing for Ireland without any protraction. If we are still talking about players potentially playing for us months and years down the line I think it's somewhat of an exercise in futility.

Well Christie has flat out admitted that he played for Ireland because he wasn't good enough to play for England - I admire his honesty. I recall McGoldrick saying similar. I can't speak for Arter or O'Dowda. The latter may become a Premier League star, admittedly, but he didn't even make the bench for Bristol City today and from what I have seen of him he has a lot to learn at Championship level.

I don't think it's necessarily an overly-optimistic way to look at things - I try to look at people's motivations and situations and try to figure if they're acting in a reasonable and fair manner (although I know I might disagree with your somewhat more cynical view at my peril, given that you were right about the whole JG issue;)). And granted, it does look like Will Keane is just putting out feelers, as you say, and so far he really hasn't done any thing to merit a call-up. And any Bamford switch would certainly seem a bit cynical, particularly if it happens while he's warming benches around the Premier League.

As regards players who had shown no interest prior to call-up, I remember an interview with Clinton Morrison on RTE where he was asked about this and he said the best thing to do is think about it and make a decision without "protraction" as you put it. I think Christie fits into this category and, given that we approached him, I guess it is only natural that a comparison of his prospects with his various international options would have been one of the criteria involved and that he's being honest to admit that.

Arter, as was noted before, has a long-time association with us, having gained 11 under-age caps. Had he been more successful at Charlton, where he started, he'd possibly have been a 30-cap player by now and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But because he took a circuitous route to the top, he dropped off our list until the last couple of seasons. So in reality he is a committed Irish International who just blossomed a little later in his career.

I've already outlined McGoldrick's emotional desire to play for us and I think that should outweigh any views he might have expressed about not being good enough for England.

As regards Hogan, after his hat-trick today, I'm sold on him. That's thirteen goals in fifteen league appearances since he returned from injury. It's time to approach him and actively speak to him about his international future. His statements about not thinking about his options were from May, when he was just back in the Brentford squad after his comeback and when it was just purely speculative talk, so understandably his focus was on establishing himself at his club. But, given his phenomenal goalscoring form since then, things have got real on this front and I think we should seriously think about offering him a place in an extended squad, at least, to see how he fits in, with the possibility of a run-out if a November friendly is organised. Or who knows? Maybe some game time in the competitive games if they're going particularly well or badly. Because, as I may have noted, we need strikers.

[geysir]

As regards players who had shown no interest prior to call-up, I remember an interview with Clinton Morrison on RTE where he was asked about this and he said the best thing to do is think about it and make a decision without "protraction" as you put it. I think Christie fits into this category and, given that we approached him, I guess it is only natural that a comparison of his prospects with his various international options would have been one of the criteria involved and that he's being honest to admit that.

According to this Irish Post (http://irishpost.co.uk/christie-easy-choice-playing-ireland/) interview with Christie, he had informed the FAI about his eligibility but said it came to nowt. Some tine later FA did contact him around the same time as O'Neill did, but in the end it was an easy rapid choice for him and Lee Carsley settled any lingering doubts about fitting in.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Speaking after Ireland training earlier today, Christie, who qualifies for Ireland through his Clontarf-born grandmother, mentioned how he had been approached by his native country but that the opportunity of more game-time with Ireland as well as the personal touch of the team’s manager ensured it was a pretty straight-forward decision to make.



The England U21s were in touch as well but for me the Republic of Ireland was the better option. They’ve not got many right-backs here so that was the main thing but the manager getting in touch with me – that’s always a pleasing aspect. There are more opportunities and they’ve got a good team here and the manager getting in touch with me – that was more of a selling point as well.”




http://www.the42.ie/cyrus-christie-republic-of-ireland-1774306-Nov2014/

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Jacob and Josh Murphy linked with move to Ireland.


The twins have emerged on the radar of Martin O’Neill, with the duo yet to feature for Gareth Southgate’s England Under-21s side, despite representing the Three Lions at various youth levels, opening the possibility of the pair switching their allegiance.


The pair are understood to harbour ambitions to play for England before exploring other options, and Republic of Ireland officials are looking into their qualification criteria to see if they can get them on switch their international allegiances.

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/republic-of-ireland-hope-to-call-up-norwichs-murphy-twins

[Colbert Report]

Scott Hogan with a hat trick for Brentford today - he has 13 goals in 16 league appearances so far! Call him up!

[samhaydenjr]

Speaking after Ireland training earlier today, Christie, who qualifies for Ireland through his Clontarf-born grandmother, mentioned how he had been approached by his native country but that the opportunity of more game-time with Ireland as well as the personal touch of the team’s manager ensured it was a pretty straight-forward decision to make.



http://www.the42.ie/cyrus-christie-republic-of-ireland-1774306-Nov2014/

Interesting - seems the main influencing factor was neither a major emotional connection to Ireland nor a belief that we were more of a sure thing for international football (in spite of him admitting that he figured there was more of an opportunity with us, there was concurrent interest from England), but rather the respect and personal touch afforded him by our management team - so credit to Martin O'Neill on that one


Jacob and Josh Murphy linked with move to Ireland.





http://www.teamtalk.com/news/republic-of-ireland-hope-to-call-up-norwichs-murphy-twins


Hmm...how do you feel about that one? I think there was some talk of them as potential call-ups when Josh broke into the Norwich team a few years back but they seemed focused on their England underage careers at that point. Since then they both seem to have bounced around with loans a little before both getting back into the Norwich first team this season. With a number of young midfielders close to a breakthrough, and a few others after having now made their mark, is this a case where we should be focusing on who we have rather than who we could have?

[OwlsFan]

Scott Hogan with a hat trick for Brentford today - he has 13 goals in 16 league appearances so far! Call him up!

In the EFL Team of the week:


http://www.efl.com/news/article/2016/sky-bet-efl-team-of-the-week-3316403.aspx?utm_source=emailmarketing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=efl_weekend_round_up_matchday_8&utm_content=2016-09-19_1809

Paddy Lacey from Accrington ? Some fresh green blood there unlike Conway and McCarthy?

[Wangball]

Jacob and Josh Murphy linked with move to Ireland.

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/republic-of-ireland-hope-to-call-up-norwichs-murphy-twins

This reeks of a planted agent story, I fully expect both will be in the next England U21 squad.

Would be delighted if I was wrong though!!

[tricky_colour]

Hogan's hatttrick, does he have a thread?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTvhM6KWMjw

[tricky_colour]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uFOCytCJK4

[tricky_colour]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2av03HTBBw

Could perhaps be moved into his own thread if there is one??

[TrapAPony]

If Hogan is not in the squad for the Georgia/Moldova matches then I would love to ask the FAI what they are doing exactly in relation to player recruitment especially in a position where we badly need a good goalscorer. All we have on board in MON's tenure is Cyrus Christie. Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see Hogan hedge his bets. He will get a Premier League move soon enough and I am sure will be reminded of the Jamie Vardy story by his agent and others. I hope I am wrong.

[tetsujin1979]

If Hogan is not in the squad for the Georgia/Moldova matches then I would love to ask the FAI what they are doing exactly in relation to player recruitment especially in a position where we badly need a good goalscorer. All we have on board in MON's tenure is Cyrus Christie. Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see Hogan hedge his bets. He will get a Premier League move soon enough and I am sure will be reminded of the Jamie Vardy story by his agent and others. I hope I am wrong.

Why do people keep forgetting David McGoldrick?

[TrapAPony]

It is easy to forget McGoldrick as he is injured every 2 minutes. Seems to be made of paper. Re Hogan he is playing down Republic of Ireland link

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brentford-striker-scott-hogan-plays-11904368

[Fixer82]

Harry After I'm sure is another MON man no?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

It is easy to forget McGoldrick as he is injured every 2 minutes. Seems to be made of paper. Re Hogan he is playing down Republic of Ireland link

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brentford-striker-scott-hogan-plays-11904368

Guarantee people will still be calling for O'Neill's head when he isn't named in the next squad.

[Olé Olé]

Harry After I'm sure is another MON man no?

Would have earned his first senior cap under MON but he played under 17 for us even.

Those Hogan quotes are very hard to draw much from. Does he mean he'd say no if the call came? Hard to conclude. His form is fairly irresistible though.

[tricky_colour]

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brentford-striker-scott-hogan-plays-11904368

Scott Hogan played down talk of a Republic of Ireland call up after blasting a hat-trick in Brentford's (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/all-about/brentford-fc) 5-0 demolition of Preston.
The Bees striker has 13 goals in 15 Championship games since returning from two anterior cruciate ligament injuries.
And Ireland fans have been calling on Martin O'Neill, who was present at Griffin Park on Saturday, to call up Hogan. (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/all-about/scott-hogan)
But the striker is purely focused on performing for Brentford because of the way the club look after him.
He said: “I know we don't go back on it but I have been out injured but it's important to be playing as many games for Brentford at the moment.

[DeLorean]

Those clips are all I've really seen of Hogan, kind of reminds me of Jordan Rhodes a little bit, very natural in front of goal but possibly lacking a bit of pace? For all his goals Rhodes was only ever really hot property in Championship circles. I could be miles off with that comparison though, basing it on so little evidence. His comments make sense from his own point of view I suppose, things are going so well for him I could see why he wouldn't want to jeapordise that by overdoing it, hopefully that's all it is anyway.

[Stuttgart88]

That's a real case of the headline saying more than the actual quote.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

How long ago is it since he returned from injury? 6, 7 months?

Lads like Arter, McGoldrick, Pilkington, Meyler, Wilson, Gibson and Duffy just off the top of my head have had a torrid time with injuries in the past and have all accepted International call ups as soon as they have recovered - some have even exacerbated injuries or played with injuries such is their professionalism or desire to play for their country.

The lad has not committed to us yet. It's as simple as that.

He openly tweets and comments about supporting England and is talking about playing Premiership football.

It's unfortunate, but England is his first choice.

And it is highly unlikely he would turn down an England call up citing injuries that he recovered from 7 months ago.

[tetsujin1979]

How long ago is it since he returned from injury? 6, 7 months?
How many internationals have taken place in that time?

[samhaydenjr]

Why do people keep forgetting David McGoldrick?

I guess people don't consider that MON really recruited him - McGoldrick wanted to play for us, researched his own family tree and on learning he had a connection, got his passport and made himself available for selection.

[gastric]

How long ago is it since he returned from injury? 6, 7 months?

Lads like Arter, McGoldrick, Pilkington, Meyler, Wilson, Gibson and Duffy just off the top of my head have had a torrid time with injuries in the past and have all accepted International call ups as soon as they have recovered - some have even exacerbated injuries or played with injuries such is their professionalism or desire to play for their country.

The lad has not committed to us yet. It's as simple as that.

He openly tweets and comments about supporting England and is talking about playing Premiership football.

It's unfortunate, but England is his first choice.

And it is highly unlikely he would turn down an England call up citing injuries that he recovered from 7 months ago.

Reminds me of Clinton Morrison who gave the same sort of vibes when asked about who he would commit to. Whether or not he decided on us because he felt he would not get a game.for England, his commitment and dedication to Ireland can.never be questioned.

[tetsujin1979]

hogan was discussed on last night's Off The Ball with Mark Ogen from the (English) Independent : http://cdn.radiocms.net/media/001/audio/000025/158675_media_player_audio_file.mp3
Discussion starts at the 25 minute mark

[DeLorean]

This reeks of a planted agent story, I fully expect both will be in the next England U21 squad.

Would be delighted if I was wrong though!!

Might have been something in it.


Ireland’s pursuit of Josh and Jacob Murphy appears over though after the Norwich City twins pledged their allegiance to England.

Winger Josh told the Eatern Daily Press: “We’ve heard the rumours and speculation but I don’t think we’ve got any Irish in us. There’s been enquiries but I doubt we can play. Our main focus is club football and if we get into England then we get into England.”

I didn't realise O'Neill was at the Brentford game the other day. He surely sussed things out with regards Hogan at the very least and the article suggests Egan might challenge for Alex Pearce's spot. Kind of ironic if it does happen seeing as Pearce is finally getting a run of games at club level.

Irish Examiner: Busy Bees make case to Martin O'Neill (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/busy-bees-make-case-to-martin-oneill-422448.html)

[tetsujin1979]

Josh Murphy says he, and his brother, are not eligible: http://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/norwich_city_winger_josh_murphy_dismisses_republic _of_ireland_call_up_reports_1_4706502

[Murph 1]

Looks like the Murphy twins have an agent who spotted an opportunity to plant a story in the hope that England U 21 Manager Southgate would sit up and take notice. Hogan and Egan not in latest squad so the speculation continues, In fairness to Hogan he has had a horiffic time with injuries over the past 2 years and is prob ahead of schedule as his return to full fitness is being managed. This buys him a little more time in relation to his intentions re Ireland, If he has not declared by the end of 2016/early 2017 well then its time to wish him well and move on.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.the42.ie/kenny-shiels-ireland-england-reserves-2994587-Sep2016/


DERRY CITY MANAGER Kenny Shiels has questioned the eligibility of some of Ireland’s players, describing international football as “diabolical.”

“International football’s not what it used to be. There’s no pride in it anymore because you could have a pint of Guinness and play for Ireland,” Shiels said.

“It doesn’t interest me one bit, not one bit. The Republic of Ireland are England reserves and Northern Ireland are England’s reserves’ reserves. It’s diabolical. I’ve no time for it all.”

The former Kilmarnock manager however was full of praise for Dundalk’s Daryl Horgan, after his side lost 3-1 to Dundalk, despite the winger being left out of Martin O’Neill’s 33-man squad.

“He’s a very good player, you can’t take that away from him.

“He’ll probably, hopefully get a move to England, he deserves to.

“You can see the amount of energy that he has and the amount of work that he puts in.

“They’re blessed to have him and the league is blessed to have him.

“I’m confident that he can go and play for the Republic of Ireland, there’s no question in my mind about that. It’s none of my business but I’m pleased for him.”

[seanfhear]

You wouldn't want to be too sensitive if you invited Kenny Shields around for dinner.................

Interesting guy and certainly not afraid to give his opinion......

We all love to think that we want to hear from people with outspoken opinions but we ain't always happy when it happens............

Keep it up Kenny , It gives us stuff to ponder .

[CraftyToePoke]

Rushian Marcus Amari Hepburn-Murphy featured for Aston Villa today..... well if its good enough to link the Norwich twins.

[Charlie Darwin]

Putin will be after him too with a name like that.

[seanfhear]

Rushian Marcus Amari Hepburn-Murphy featured for Aston Villa today..... well if its good enough to link the Norwich twins.Who played in midfield and upfront ?

[samhaydenjr]

http://www.the42.ie/kenny-shiels-ireland-england-reserves-2994587-Sep2016/

Well his lines about having a pint of Guinness and playing for Ireland and that The Republic of Ireland are England reserves are demonstrably nonsense: 22 of the 33 members of the upcoming squad are Irish born and/or raised. Ciaran Clark and Jonathan Walters qualify through Irish parents. McGeady and McCarthy aren't English, have strong emotional ties to Ireland and endured abuse for their decision to join us. Richard Keogh referred to captaining Ireland as "the proudest moment of my career by a long way and when the gaffer said I was going to be captain I was lost for words really. Walking out onto that pitch is something that I will remember forever and I thank him for that.” And that was against Oman. When called up to the U-21s Callum O'Dowda told Oxford United's website ""I am very proud and very excited to have the call up. It is a privilege to be included. I was approached a few weeks ago to see if I would be interested because of my family’s Irish background. I jumped at the chance and can’t wait to be involved." Harry Arter has been involved with us since his mid-teens. Which leaves just four (Westwood, Pilkington, Christie and Pearce) who come even remotely close to what Shiels refers to in his Guinness barb i.e. "tenuous" connection (meaning grandparents are Irish) and maybe weren't thinking of playing for Ireland as they grew up (although I'm open to correction on that). And all four of them are really back-up players currently, with only Westwood having broken ten caps and I don't think you could say they've let us down in any way. TBH Shiels sounds like a bit of a barstooler, which is disappointing for someone managing in a league which is regularly perceived in an overly negative light by barstoolers.

[Stuttgart88]

And I love the "international football isn't what it used to be". It used to be worse in terms of sketchy qualification.

[tetsujin1979]

Well his lines about having a pint of Guinness and playing for Ireland and that The Republic of Ireland are England reserves are demonstrably nonsense: 22 of the 33 members of the upcoming squad are Irish born and/or raised. Ciaran Clark and Jonathan Walters qualify through Irish parents. McGeady and McCarthy aren't English, have strong emotional ties to Ireland and endured abuse for their decision to join us. Richard Keogh referred to captaining Ireland as "the proudest moment of my career by a long way and when the gaffer said I was going to be captain I was lost for words really. Walking out onto that pitch is something that I will remember forever and I thank him for that.” And that was against Oman. When called up to the U-21s Callum O'Dowda told Oxford United's website ""I am very proud and very excited to have the call up. It is a privilege to be included. I was approached a few weeks ago to see if I would be interested because of my family’s Irish background. I jumped at the chance and can’t wait to be involved." Harry Arter has been involved with us since his mid-teens. Which leaves just four (Westwood, Pilkington, Christie and Pearce) who come even remotely close to what Shiels refers to in his Guinness barb i.e. "tenuous" connection (meaning grandparents are Irish) and maybe weren't thinking of playing for Ireland as they grew up (although I'm open to correction on that). And all four of them are really back-up players currently, with only Westwood having broken ten caps and I don't think you could say they've let us down in any way. TBH Shiels sounds like a bit of a barstooler, which is disappointing for someone managing in a league which is regularly perceived in an overly negative light by barstoolers.
Pilkington did have one U21 cap before he made his senior debut, not sure if that makes any difference.

[Wangball]

Kenny Shiels is just a mouthpiece who has a track record of making moronic statements, when he was @ Kilmarnock he was a regular rent a quote in the red tops

[samhaydenjr]

Pilkington did have one U21 cap before he made his senior debut, not sure if that makes any difference.

Counts for an extra couple of Guinnesses and maybe a Murphy's or a Beamish at least ;)

[geysir]

For establishing ethnic credibility, one Murphy is probably worth 4 Guinness.

[paul_oshea]

Like Eddie Murphy then. As black as the Irish stuff, as irish as the black stuff.

[OwlsFan]

What does he mean there is no pride in it anymore? Pride for who ? The supporter or the player? The player? I have yet to see an Irish team, no matter its ethnicity, not go out and play with pride or passion. I have seen us walloped OK but that was never down to lack of effort but rather lack of ability or poor management. The supporter ? Tell that to those who almost brought the roof down or shed a tear at the Irish anthem against Sweden in Paris or those who sang in Poland after the final game in that poor campaign. Perhaps only those who believe that we should have the Irish equivalent of the Nuremberg Laws to qualify as Irish lack pride in the team.

[geysir]

What does he mean there is no pride in it anymore? Pride for who ? The supporter or the player? The player? I have yet to see an Irish team, no matter its ethnicity, not go out and play with pride or passion. I have seen us walloped OK but that was never down to lack of effort but rather lack of ability or poor management. The supporter ? Tell that to those who almost brought the roof down or shed a tear at the Irish anthem against Sweden in Paris or those who sang in Poland after the final game in that poor campaign. Perhaps only those who believe that we should have the Irish equivalent of the Nuremberg Laws to qualify as Irish lack pride in the team.

I dare say old chap, but are you invoking Goodwin's Law already, after 5 seconds?