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Olé Olé
09/10/2014, 11:51 AM
It's funny enough to note how David McGoldrick's name has been bandied about in the media by journos and Ipswich players alike. On the other hand, if this transpires, then Christie will have gone straight from English to the Ireland squad without one column millimetre dedicated to him on the matter.
Jeff Hendrick and Richard Keogh would want to get their heads out of the sand on this one!!
Stuttgart88
09/10/2014, 12:08 PM
Cyrus Sylvester Frederick Christie.
The FAI's name recognition algorithm must be pretty sophisticated.
Though of course if he was from The Wesht his middle name would be Silvie. I'll never forget sniggering at the Galway hurler Silvie Linnane. We all thought he had a girl's name.
paul_oshea
09/10/2014, 1:25 PM
They patented that algorithm and have now consultants working in Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, Spain, Portugal etc. How do you think they got the Debt reduced for "nothing"....
They're a bit 'different' in Galway Stutts.
Deckydee
09/10/2014, 1:51 PM
Oh yeah the papers finally have it................................me wonders if they saw my post. I want credit! ;)
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/cyrus-christie-unlikely-to-make-german-game-1.1957662
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/martin-oneill-looking-derby-county-4407132
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/derby-defender-cyrus-christie-on-verge-of-ireland-callup-following-talks-with-martin-oneill-30651639.html
Charlie Darwin
21/10/2014, 2:27 AM
Daniel McDonnell: Time to close the door on Noble
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/time-to-close-door-on-noble-30678029.html
gastric
21/10/2014, 3:03 AM
Daniel McDonnell: Time to close the door on Noble
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/time-to-close-door-on-noble-30678029.html
A fair and measured article. However, while he would not be a walk in to an Irish squad, he would be a better option than the likes of Paul Green. Options, options, options....
Charlie Darwin
21/10/2014, 3:28 AM
A fair and measured article. However, while he would not be a walk in to an Irish squad, he would be a better option than the likes of Paul Green. Options, options, options....
Better player, no question. Better option? No way. Green's commitment to Ireland has been second to none. Noble doesn't even know if he can be bothered playing for us. I'd take Green every day of the week. If we were short of midfielders and needed somebody to step in, which player do you think would hop on a plane at a minute's notice to get here, or somewhere in the arse end of Europe?
gastric
21/10/2014, 3:52 AM
Better player, no question. Better option? No way. Green's commitment to Ireland has been second to none. Noble doesn't even know if he can be bothered playing for us. I'd take Green every day of the week. If we were short of midfielders and needed somebody to step in, which player do you think would hop on a plane at a minute's notice to get here, or somewhere in the arse end of Europe?
And if I had a choice of a player who could help us beat a team in the arse end of Europe rather than a player who is less gifted, I would take Noble over Green every time. There are no plaudits for nearly qualifying and using inferior players based on commitment. Pragmatism is at the heart of O'Neill's decisions in sounding out players and is good enough for me.
DannyInvincible
21/10/2014, 7:20 PM
And if I had a choice of a player who could help us beat a team in the arse end of Europe rather than a player who is less gifted, I would take Noble over Green every time. There are no plaudits for nearly qualifying and using inferior players based on commitment. Pragmatism is at the heart of O'Neill's decisions in sounding out players and is good enough for me.
But will a more talented half-arsed player actually be of greater help in the grand scheme of things than a less gifted committed player?It's not necessarily so, just because he's more gifted.
DannyInvincible
21/10/2014, 7:26 PM
Daniel McDonnell: Time to close the door on Noble
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/time-to-close-door-on-noble-30678029.html
He mentions that Cyrus Christie and Jack Grealish are childhood pals. Is Dan Crowley another friend of both?
ArdeeBhoy
21/10/2014, 11:48 PM
But will a more talented half-arsed player actually be of greater help in the grand scheme of things than a less gifted committed player?It's not necessarily so, just because he's more gifted.
Each case on its merits...
As for Green, enthusiastic but extremely limited. Noble better than average EPL player, but half-arsed?
MO'N should ask these players more publicly, so at least we get a chance to ridicule later, for turning their back on a potential international career?
Charlie Darwin
21/10/2014, 11:56 PM
Yes, we should belittle ourselves by opening ourselves up to public rejection. The only ones that would invite ridicule by doing that is us.
ArdeeBhoy
22/10/2014, 12:07 AM
If you say so, it might actually embarrass some of these time-wasters in the first place. So the joke's on them.
Charlie Darwin
22/10/2014, 12:08 AM
No, they don't care. The embarrassment will be on us and they will still have lots of money and not give a **** about us.
ArdeeBhoy
22/10/2014, 12:10 AM
Ha, you're even more cynical than I am!
:)
DannyInvincible
22/10/2014, 1:03 AM
Noble better than average EPL player, but half-arsed?
To be fair, calling him "half-arsed" was probably overly polite and generous. "Not-arsed" would have been more apt given he has displayed absolutely no enthusiasm whatsoever for the idea of playing for us, as is his right, of course. But is he embarrassed or does he feel any shame in exploiting his eligibility to play for us as a tool with which to prod Hodgson into picking him? I'd hardly say so.
gastric
22/10/2014, 8:05 AM
To be fair, calling him "half-arsed" was probably overly polite and generous. "Not-arsed" would have been more apt given he has displayed absolutely no enthusiasm whatsoever for the idea of playing for us, as is his right, of course. But is he embarrassed or does he feel any shame in exploiting his eligibility to play for us as a tool with which to prod Hodgson into picking him? I'd hardly say so.
Danny, No doubt that Noble has not endeared himself to Irish fans. But O'Neill and Keane will not worry about this if he commits. They are paid to achieve success and know our depth is very limited. They have trawled for new players which is what I would have expected, and their results have been excellent. If Noble declares for us I won't worry about his commitment as I don't know of a player who has lacked commitment on the football field. Even if he did, with 60 years of experience between them, I would suggest MONROY know a spoofer when they see one. The only ones who really worry about such things are us who live in a micro world here. If we qualify for a major tournament, no one will really give a sh#t. What I find very interesting is the depth of criticism of Noble which I agree is merited to some degree, but why none of MONROY who are complicit in this move too? I think what I am saying would be MONROY's thinking on any commitment by Noble and while not palatable to all on here, they live in a world of realpolitik which I feel is the reality of the situation.
paul_oshea
22/10/2014, 8:51 AM
Don't get carried away lads, with this excellent moniker. We have drawn with Germany away from home, one great result, but results up to this have been expected or worse.
Lets wait and see how we get on over the next 3 games before we start getting carried away and using words like excellent when speaking about results.
Stuttgart88
22/10/2014, 9:14 AM
And if I had a choice of a player who could help us beat a team in the arse end of Europe rather than a player who is less gifted, I would take Noble over Green every time. There are no plaudits for nearly qualifying and using inferior players based on commitment. Pragmatism is at the heart of O'Neill's decisions in sounding out players and is good enough for me.
I don't know why poor Paul Green (he who played really well in Whelan's absence in Stockholm lets recall) is the bogeyman. O'Neill picked him once or twice and is now on the fringes of the squad, a guy who makes the 37 man preliminary squad but not the main squad. His place in the pecking order is known now.
We have Whelan, Mccarthy, Gibson, Hendrick, Quinn and Hoolahan for central midfield(ish) positions. Noble could credibly warrant a starting place but it's very marginal. Green couldn't. I'd prefer to see Hourihane or O'Kane in the preliminary squad though it'd be mainly just to give the message that they are next in line and have something to aim for.
I really think it's time to drop the Noble speculation. He had his chance at the start of the campaign, as did Stephen Ireland. Now with a decent start it's too late. The players we have are good enough if O'Neill will assign them the right roles (McCarthy's role in Tbilisi was very odd).
Stuttgart88
22/10/2014, 9:19 AM
Don't get carried away lads, with this excellent moniker. We have drawn with Germany away from home, one great result, but results up to this have been expected or worse.
Lets wait and see how we get on over the next 3 games before we start getting carried away and using words like excellent when speaking about results.
The friendlies are largely irrelevant. So is Gibraltar.
Two competitive away games, four points; a good foundation but room for improvement. I think that's the consensus and is about as bullish as I have come across here, and some views have been quite negative. Being a fan, I'm quite excited by the way this group is shaping up. Is that allowed?
gastric
22/10/2014, 9:24 AM
I don't know why poor Paul Green (he who played really well in Whelan's absence in Stockholm lets recall) is the bogeyman. O'Neill picked him once or twice and is now on the fringes of the squad, a guy who makes the 37 man preliminary squad but not the main squad. His place in the pecking order is known now.
We have Whelan, Mccarthy, Gibson, Hendrick, Quinn and Hoolahan for central midfield(ish) positions. Noble could credibly warrant a starting place but it's very marginal. Green couldn't. I'd prefer to see Hourihane or O'Kane in the preliminary squad though it'd be mainly just to give the message that they are next in line and have something to aim for.
I really think it's time to drop the Noble speculation. He had his chance at the start of the campaign, as did Stephen Ireland. Now with a decent start it's too late. The players we have are good enough if O'Neill will assign them the right roles (McCarthy's role in Tbilisi was very odd).
Stutts, I was replying to a discussion with Charlie and Danny on page 48. Please try and keep up! :D
paul_oshea
22/10/2014, 10:18 AM
The friendlies are largely irrelevant. So is Gibraltar.
Two competitive away games, four points; a good foundation but room for improvement. I think that's the consensus and is about as bullish as I have come across here, and some views have been quite negative. Being a fan, I'm quite excited by the way this group is shaping up. Is that allowed?
"and their results have been excellent" - he can't have been on about player recruitment!
Stuttgart88
22/10/2014, 11:33 AM
As gastric points out I'm behind the times a bit. I didn't see who said the other results have been excellent.
Anyway, I still don't see many people getting carried away though I think we're all quite excited, no? I think that almost everyone here has had some reservations about O'Neill's selections and method of play but equally it'd appear the early signs are that while he is cautious and that's unlikely to change, he is more adaptable than Trap. It's the feeling that we are in a good place while there is probably still more in the locker that excites me anyway.
ifk101
22/10/2014, 11:56 AM
Yes we're in a good position. We're started the group as 1 of 3 teams competing for 2nd place. Now we are 1 of 4 teams competing for 1st place in the group. :-)
ArdeeBhoy
22/10/2014, 12:09 PM
Good point, well made! Though finishing 1st, would break my optimism meter for the next decade!
Or should that be pessimism?
Still have this horrible feeling of 3rd, but we win in the play-offs, get drawn in a nasty group in the Finals and just miss out on qualification for whatever the second stage is.
geysir
22/10/2014, 12:30 PM
Eventually, no matter what we achieve, it will all end in tears.
ArdeeBhoy
22/10/2014, 12:40 PM
Of joy?
DannyInvincible
22/10/2014, 12:48 PM
Danny, No doubt that Noble has not endeared himself to Irish fans. But O'Neill and Keane will not worry about this if he commits. They are paid to achieve success and know our depth is very limited. They have trawled for new players which is what I would have expected, and their results have been excellent. If Noble declares for us I won't worry about his commitment as I don't know of a player who has lacked commitment on the football field. Even if he did, with 60 years of experience between them, I would suggest MONROY know a spoofer when they see one. The only ones who really worry about such things are us who live in a micro world here. If we qualify for a major tournament, no one will really give a sh#t. What I find very interesting is the depth of criticism of Noble which I agree is merited to some degree, but why none of MONROY who are complicit in this move too? I think what I am saying would be MONROY's thinking on any commitment by Noble and while not palatable to all on here, they live in a world of realpolitik which I feel is the reality of the situation.
Fair enough, I'm sure he'd do a job for us if he were to commit. However, I don't see him being bothered enough to actually declare in the first place. He's actually said it would make him feel strange. The guy is a spoofer; it's patently obvious that the only reason his name has been mentioned in the media in relation to us is because his agent threw his eligibility for us/potential switch to us into the public domain as a "threat" to Hodgson. Why else would the story have made the sports headlines just as an England squad was announced and seeing as Noble has never publicly uttered any positive intent to declare for us at all? If he has no interest in playing for us, that's fine and it's nothing to hold against him, but why should we be all that bothered about him, especially if he's simply using us as a cog on his way to fulfilling his ultimate ambition of playing for England?
Martin has already given his opinion on the matter: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/oneill-i-wont-be-chasing-mark-noble-30608282.html
He said if Noble wants to declare, he's more than welcome. Martin won't be doing any chasing as players themselves have to want to play for us. Martin will then weigh him up, but Noble has to make the move. John Delaney said much the same recently.
Stuttgart88
22/10/2014, 1:17 PM
Good point, well made! Though finishing 1st, would break my optimism meter for the next decade!
Or should that be pessimism?
Still have this horrible feeling of 3rd, but we win in the play-offs, get drawn in a nasty group in the Finals and just miss out on qualification for whatever the second stage is.I'd bite your hand off for that right now. If that's your pessimism I'd love to know what your optimistic view is like.
Charlie Darwin
22/10/2014, 1:34 PM
What I find very interesting is the depth of criticism of Noble which I agree is merited to some degree, but why none of MONROY who are complicit in this move too? I think what I am saying would be MONROY's thinking on any commitment by Noble and while not palatable to all on here, they live in a world of realpolitik which I feel is the reality of the situation.
Well all we know about what O'Neill's done is that he's expressed an interest to Noble's agent and said if players want to play for Ireland they have to show a willingness to make it happen. By contrast, Noble has been in the press trying to leverage an England call-up out of it. Completely contrasting behaviour.
gastric
22/10/2014, 11:37 PM
I'm sure that there has been some communication between Noble and the Irish set up. Maybe Triggs has contacted Noble's bulldog Winston or maybe Roy rang Noble and didn't like his answering message, labelling him a spoofer! It always intrigues me how such negotiations transpire. May be one for Roy's next book.
tetsujin1979
23/10/2014, 9:41 AM
I'm sure that there has been some communication between Noble and the Irish set up. Maybe Triggs has contacted Noble's bulldog Winston or maybe Roy rang Noble and didn't like his answering message, labelling him a spoofer! It always intrigues me how such negotiations transpire. May be one for Roy's next book.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news lad - http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/triggs-takes-her-final-bow-wow-192819.html
DeLorean
23/10/2014, 9:50 AM
Absolutely nothing worthwhile in this and we don't even get a mention but...
Should Noble get England call up? (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mark-noble-england-west-hams-4484458)
DannyInvincible
23/10/2014, 7:29 PM
For what it's worth, Harry Kane scores with a nice strike against Asteras in the Europa League: https://vine.co/v/OhedhnU6j1O
Charlie Darwin
23/10/2014, 8:50 PM
Got a hat trick in the end, now he's in goal and he just fumbled a simple free kick into his goal. He's still two goals up though.
DannyInvincible
23/10/2014, 9:23 PM
now he's in goal and he just fumbled a simple free kick into his goal.
That was pretty funny (https://vine.co/v/OhihELx1t6L) and, for me, put a serious dent in his Irish credentials; the lad obviously never played GAA in his youth!
Charlie Darwin
23/10/2014, 9:24 PM
That's why all teams should have an Irish player at all times, in case you need someone to throw in goal.
ArdeeBhoy
24/10/2014, 12:02 AM
I'd bite your hand off for that right now. If that's your pessimism I'd love to know what your optimistic view is like.
The problem is that's also pretty close to my 'optimistic' view...
:apthy:
Deckydee
29/10/2014, 11:07 AM
There. We can finally put this to bed - http://balls.ie/football/mark-noble-final-word-international-future/
http://www.setanta.com/ie/mark-noble-still-waiting-for-england-call/
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mark-noble-for-england-west-ham-star-still-hopeful-of-three-lions-call-up-9821015.html
DannyInvincible
29/10/2014, 9:00 PM
"Noble's Ireland bombshell"? Indeed. We're all devastated by this shocking news... :rolleyes:
gastric
29/10/2014, 9:37 PM
Hopefully, this news ends the speculation, onc eand for all. Actually Danny, you asked a question recently about who we turn to if our casualty rate in midfield continues and I sarcastically mentioned Noble. And after having just looked at the Joey O'Brien thread and reflecting on it, O'Brien really can be an asset to us. He can play left and right back, and he initially broke into the Bolton team as a central midfielder and showed lots of promise. I know injury has caught up with him, but I think injury free he offers many options that O'Neill. On the LB debate which occurred somewhere on the site recently, we really haven't produced a top quality LB since Staunton, but loads of RBs! I notice the other day too that Stephen O'Halloran is now at Scunny, he always looked class, but injury has greatly affected his career. And what about Greg Cunningham, another who has not made the step up yet? What has become of him?
Charlie Darwin
29/10/2014, 9:43 PM
O'Halloran was at Stockport in non-league last I saw. Cunningham is in and out of the team at Bristol City, who are looking strong for promotion back to the Championship this year. Irish defenders Derrick Williams and Brendan Maloney are also there.
DannyInvincible
29/10/2014, 9:45 PM
I don't think O'Brien will play much football other than club football for the remainder of his career. Given his record and proneness to injury, I get the impression that participation in international football is too risky for his livelihood. That's not a criticism of him either, by the way. It's fair enough that he would participate only in what he really has to to make a living from the game but keep the risk of injury low. He's had a luckless career and it would be foolish for him to threaten what limited longevity he may have.
gastric
29/10/2014, 10:11 PM
O'Halloran was at Stockport in non-league last I saw. Cunningham is in and out of the team at Bristol City, who are looking strong for promotion back to the Championship this year. Irish defenders Derrick Williams and Brendan Maloney are also there.
You're right Charlie, I got my Stockport and Scunthorpe mixed up!
bawn79
18/01/2015, 10:48 AM
I hope this is the place to put lads that you might think are eligible into.
I spotted the name McCarthy coming on for Southampton yesterday against Newcastle.
Jason McCarthy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_McCarthy. Good chance he must have some irish relations (particularly with his 2nd name being Sean) - a natural leader and a rightback / centre-back by the sounds of it. Hasn't played for England to date but the Southampton academy seems to be producing some great players at the moment. I haven't seen the name mentioned here before.
DannyInvincible
18/01/2015, 11:29 AM
There's a Jake Flannigan in the youth set-up there as well. He's an England-born midfielder who may be eligible on account of his name; I have no idea. They have a Sam Gallagher up front too. Not sure if he is or was eligible but he has played for both England and Scotland at under-19 level and Wiki says he has already used up his switch of association. That would be dependent on him having played in competitive FIFA-recognised games for both countries, of course.
TheOneWhoKnocks
18/01/2015, 11:51 AM
What about Ryan Seager?
TheOneWhoKnocks
18/01/2015, 11:54 AM
https://twitter.com/jasonmccarthy32
"mccarthy32"
Sounds like a nationalist. The plot thickens.
DannyInvincible
18/01/2015, 1:25 PM
What about Ryan Seager?
Yeah, not sure how I missed Ryan Seagar. Sure why don't you make some enquiries and get back to us on that? Good man!
TrapAPony
18/01/2015, 2:38 PM
Noble, Kane, Redmond, McManaman, Davies, Bamford, Naughton etc. ...there's enough half decent players available that could do a job for us but the FAI do not have the ability to get any of them. Kane was there for the taking for a few years but the FAI I'm sure sat back on it and now there's no chance. This Jason McCarthy lad is probably eligible. Instead of going for him now, watch the FAI sit back for a year or two & wait for him to get a few more appearances under his belt. By then he'll be offered an English U21 cap & the chance will be lost. Sure they couldn't even hold on to Michael Keane who has an Irish father or they couldn't convince Shane O'Neill to play for us despite having two Irish parents from Cork & Kerry. I have none to little faith any more in FAI re recruitment at senior level.
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