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tetsujin1979
07/11/2018, 5:04 PM
again - we have no idea of his current international status. If England still hold his registry, then there's nothing we can do only wait.
Like I said - I'm not going to criticise the manager for not picking a player that is not available to him.
The Fly
07/11/2018, 5:05 PM
Perhaps it was just a shot at the "Call Him Up MON" armchair pundits who obsess over any Irish player who strings a few passes together at a mid-table Eredivisie side/scores a couple of screamers in the LOI/plays a game in the UEFA Youth League/is mentioned in a "Irish Teenagers at Premier League Clubs" list.
I agree with the sentiment there sam, particularly with players who are Irish qualified; which is almost like our giddy equivalent of the transfer market.
In this case however I'm more with liamoo11. Crowley has bags of ability; has signalled his intent to join up with us; plays in a position where we have a paucity of options; and has significant enough experience at this point. Assuming paperwork isn't an issue, it begins to look negligent on O'Neill's part.
That said...I'll wait for more detail on it before passing judgment.
samhaydenjr
08/11/2018, 2:09 AM
I can't agree with any of that. Crowley has already at age 21 made 42 appearances in the top flight in Holland as well as more than 30 appearances at league 1 or Dutch 2nd division. He plays in a position we are sadly lacking in and brings us a totally different midfield option than anyone else in the squad. We have just picked a centre half who has played around 10 games for hearts in a league no stronger than Holland with his only other football at league two and conference level. We deserve what we get as Irish football fans if we think overlooking Crowley is justified until he plays in the championship
I agree with the sentiment there sam, particularly with players who are Irish qualified; which is almost like our giddy equivalent of the transfer market.
In this case however I'm more with liamoo11. Crowley has bags of ability; has signalled his intent to join up with us; plays in a position where we have a paucity of options; and has significant enough experience at this point. Assuming paperwork isn't an issue, it begins to look negligent on O'Neill's part.
That said...I'll wait for more detail on it before passing judgment.
Just to clarify, I was only offering an alternative interpretation of what MON was quoted as having said - someone here interpreted him as being snidely dismissive of both Byrne and Crowley - I saw it as him just dampening down over-excitement about a player who is just breaking through. Certainly Crowley seems to doing very well this season, but remember, Byrne played 27 games in the Eredivisie before the age of twenty and then got a loan move to a big Championship club and it seemed he was on the verge of a breakthrough, with many people urging MON to cap him... and then things just started to drift away - and remember, he still has over 80 senior appearances under his belt at the age of 22.
So it's not entirely unreasonable for MON to want to ensure that he is the Real Deal before capping him, particularly as this transitional period of friendlies and Nations League games comes to an end and the focus turns to the qualifiers proper in March. The bar for Crowley does actually have to be higher because there's no longer an opportunity to give him 30 minutes in a meaningless friendly to see how he gets on without major negative consequence (as MON has done numerous times before). If Crowley is to make his international debut next year, it will be in an important competitive fixture, so we need to be more certain that he is ready (although there may be an opportunity if we have an early home game against the lowest-ranked team in our group).
That said, it's great that he has come on board and he does look like an excellent prospect and, as you both say, would bring a new dimension to our midfield that would give it added attacking impetus that we sorely need.
Charlie Darwin
08/11/2018, 3:00 AM
With Crowley, I think you have to also take into account that he's probably not eligible yet. His interview in the Evening Herald recently didn't suggest he'd gone and got all his paperwork sorted the way Robinson or McGoldrick did.
IsMiseSean
12/11/2018, 1:09 PM
Crowley declaring his intentions to play for Ireland again. And probably showing some of that 'confidence' MON was talking about too.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/12/exclusive-interview-jake-clarke-salter-anddan-crowley-leaving/
mark12345
12/11/2018, 2:12 PM
Crowley declaring his intentions to play for Ireland again. And probably showing some of that 'confidence' MON was talking about too.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/12/exclusive-interview-jake-clarke-salter-anddan-crowley-leaving/
Would have to agree with you Sean, hundred per cent on this. We do not have any creative force in the middle of the Irish team, and it's not like we can affort to pass up on Dan Crowley. What is the hold up. I honestly think MON is trying to get him on board (I sincerely hope he is) but for some reason it is not happening. What is the bloody hold up?
The Fly
12/11/2018, 3:14 PM
Crowley declaring his intentions to play for Ireland again. And probably showing some of that 'confidence' MON was talking about too.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/12/exclusive-interview-jake-clarke-salter-anddan-crowley-leaving/
Here's the relevant paragraph regarding Ireland (although it's worth reading the whole article) -
"Having played for England and Ireland at Under-17s level Crowley wants to declare for Ireland. His Irish grandfather moved to the east Midlands from Waterford and Crowley spent his childhood summers in Ireland. Most of his family support Celtic. He is thankful for what English football has given him but he feels Irish and has always supported the team. “When I have gone away with England I have never felt like it was me” he says. “You are not allowed an opinion for England. If you do you are seen to have a bad attitude.”
That's good to see.
I can see the quips coming with the last line though. ;)
Olé Olé
12/11/2018, 3:36 PM
I think both of his paternal grandparents are Irish though. And his mother, from what I remember, has an Irish name.
I have a notion that his paternal grandparents moved back to Waterford upon retirement. I think this was concluded in another thread a while back.
It's good that all the pics teasing us of him holding his little brother in an Ireland kit weren't in vain.
liamoo11
12/11/2018, 9:34 PM
Here's the relevant paragraph regarding Ireland (although it's worth reading the whole article) -
That's good to see.
I can see the quips coming with the last line though. ;)
hilarious stuff at the end sure sign he never played for Paul doolin for us underage!
dr_peepee
25/11/2018, 3:44 PM
With all the recent talk of our paltry forward options I forgot about Jutkiewicz from Birmingham. I’ve no idea what his strengths are but is he worth a look now instead of playing the like of O’Brien and Robinson out of position at the top.
Stuttgart88
25/11/2018, 4:42 PM
Was thinking the same at lunchtime. Scored once in the derby match today and looks a big uncompromising type of player. Worth assessing alright.
IsMiseSean
25/11/2018, 6:42 PM
Was thinking the same at lunchtime. Scored once in the derby match today and looks a big uncompromising type of player. Worth assessing alright.
He strikes you as a 'Mick' type of player.
Grafter
25/11/2018, 10:09 PM
He strikes you as a 'Mick' type of player.
I was thinking the same about Jutkiewicz and he seems keen judging by quotes over the years. Surprised nothing materialised with O' Neill regime in the last year. He definitely looks like a good option even off the bench in the last 20 considering the football we've been playing.
The 'big man' option needs to be explored, even a belated Cillian Sheridan call up as well ...
Charlie Darwin
25/11/2018, 10:35 PM
With all the recent talk of our paltry forward options I forgot about Jutkiewicz from Birmingham. I’ve no idea what his strengths are but is he worth a look now instead of playing the like of O’Brien and Robinson out of position at the top.
Up front looks like O'Brien's position to me.
gastric
26/11/2018, 12:44 AM
Up front looks like O'Brien's position to me.
He has been used more on the left wing for Millwall which explains the Dr's comments.
Kieran Dowell is eligible and defiantly worth looking at.Very good talent. But did start recently for England u21
seanfhear
28/11/2018, 8:39 AM
Kieran Dowell is eligible and defiantly worth looking at.Very good talent. But did start recently for England u21
I suppose he could plug a hole !
Olé Olé
01/12/2018, 5:47 PM
There's a lad by the name of Eamonn Brophy who scored 2 goals for Kilmarnock today. He's from Glasgow and started with Celtic. He's 22 and has played underage for the Scots. With a name like that he must be as eligible for Ireland as I am.
There’s a Todd Cantwell socred for Norwich today who I was wondering the same about earlier... not even sure if Cantwell is all that Irish but I knew a family by the name and then there’s Noel obviously.
No Irish connections evident online anyway.
CraftyToePoke
01/12/2018, 7:06 PM
There’s a Todd Cantwell socred for Norwich today who I was wondering the same about earlier... not even sure if Cantwell is all that Irish but I knew a family by the name and then there’s Noel obviously.
No Irish connections evident online anyway.
Norman Irish name according to a quick google. Found throughout English speaking places too.
Cheers Crafty FitzToePoke
Bungle
02/12/2018, 2:11 PM
Daniel Crowley with another assist yesterday.
The Fly
02/12/2018, 2:39 PM
Daniel Crowley with another assist yesterday.
https://foot.ie/threads/161142-Daniel-Crowley?p=1985016&viewfull=1#post1985016
;)
Bungle
02/12/2018, 3:07 PM
Sorry lads😀
Fixer82
02/12/2018, 3:37 PM
With all the recent talk of our paltry forward options I forgot about Jutkiewicz from Birmingham. I’ve no idea what his strengths are but is he worth a look now instead of playing the like of O’Brien and Robinson out of position at the top.
Jutkiewicz Will play for whoever asks him first I reckon.
The Fly
02/12/2018, 3:46 PM
Sorry lads
Given his recent comments it's only a matter of time before his thread is moved into the Ireland section.
(fingers crossed)
gastric
03/12/2018, 7:49 AM
Can't post a link but Jack O'Connell is supposedly being sounded out according to the Irish Mirror.
Diggs246
03/12/2018, 9:44 AM
Can't post a link but Jack O'Connell is supposedly being sounded out according to the Irish Mirror.
He is a very good player, I would be delighted with that
He will be in the Prem next year even if Sheffield utd dont go up
tetsujin1979
03/12/2018, 9:46 AM
Was he approached before? Or maybe it was just mentioned that he was eligible.
Diggs246
03/12/2018, 9:56 AM
Was he approached before? Or maybe it was just mentioned that he was eligible.
I dont know, he should have been approached really.
According to this his stats are off the charts
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/02/01/tt-did-premier-league-teams-overlook-sheffield-uniteds-jack-ocon/
Stuttgart88
03/12/2018, 11:48 AM
I saw him on TV in the Sheffield Derby. He was far more prominent in the game than Egan. He was on the left of a 3 man centre-back line up and put in one or two telling balls with his left foot. Seemed to support Stevens well at times.
Closed Account
06/12/2018, 11:11 AM
No great thread to put this in so will put it here:
Ireland U19 international Michael O'Connor is switching to Northern Ireland
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/linfield/im-switching-from-republic-to-northern-ireland-reveals-linfield-striker-michael-oconnor-37599291.html
Best of luck to him. Should have a good chance of getting an international cap in the future.
Nesta99
06/12/2018, 1:37 PM
No great thread to put this in so will put it here:
Ireland U19 international Michael O'Connor is switching to Northern Ireland
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/linfield/im-switching-from-republic-to-northern-ireland-reveals-linfield-striker-michael-oconnor-37599291.html
Best of luck to him. Should have a good chance of getting an international cap in the future.
He might get an u21 cap if lucky but senior no, he isnt good enough. He craves 'cult' type attention at any club he has been at, celebrating in front of opposition fans, kissing crests, getting arrested for public disorder and the like. If any of his clubs had connections to Andorra he would have tried/wanted to declare. Not the brightest bulb in the pack but this might endear him to the hardcore Linfield support and if he were to leave Windsor park for Solitude say he will try to reverse his decision. He is dedicated to whatever cause, right now he is sounding like a Belfast native, when at Rovers he was doing his best Dublin effort :rolleyes:
CraftyToePoke
06/12/2018, 1:41 PM
He might get an u21 cap if lucky but senior no, he isnt good enough. He craves 'cult' type attention at any club he has been at, celebrating in front of opposition fans, kissing crests, getting arrested for public disorder and the like. If any of his clubs had connections to Andorra he would have tried/wanted to declare. Not the brightest bulb in the pack but this might endear him to the hardcore Linfield support and if he were to leave Windsor park for Solitude say he will try to reverse his decision. He is dedicated to whatever cause, right now he is sounding like a Belfast native, when at Rovers he was doing his best Dublin effort :rolleyes:
Oh dear, oh dear :)
Nesta99
07/12/2018, 3:44 AM
Maybe that Belfast sounding twang was actually a lefotover from the Donegal efforts....
Olé Olé
17/12/2018, 5:58 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/ireland-boss-mick-mccarthy-to-seek-talks-with-potential-ireland-recruit-patrick-bamford-37633365.html
Seems a no brainer for all parties.
Diggs246
17/12/2018, 8:49 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/ireland-boss-mick-mccarthy-to-seek-talks-with-potential-ireland-recruit-patrick-bamford-37633365.html
Seems a no brainer for all parties.
Yep agreed, but that article has no quotes or anything really tbh
Olé Olé
17/12/2018, 8:59 PM
Yep agreed, but that article has no quotes or anything really tbh
Is Fitzmaurice blemish-free from the unfounded articles published by the Indo for Palmer and co of recent months? Think he might be. Hopefully this article isn't as baseless as some others, given the facts you have pointed out above.
Also, I could swear it's not just one maternal grandparent he has that is Irish. I think both his mother's parents are Irish, hence the pressure from his uncles to play for us.
tetsujin1979
17/12/2018, 10:12 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/ireland-boss-mick-mccarthy-to-seek-talks-with-potential-ireland-recruit-patrick-bamford-37633365.html
Seems a no brainer for all parties.
Seen that earlier, there's no quotes from McCarthy, or any induction from Bamford that he's be interested in declaring, the article includes the mistake below, and that's before you consider the already capped Curtis as outside the frame
One man who come come into the frame is Portsmouth forward Ronan Curtis, as one of his Pompey team-mates has tipped the ex-Derry City man to be in a higher league next season if they don’t get promoted.
Charlie Darwin
17/12/2018, 11:30 PM
Seen that earlier, there's no quotes from McCarthy, or any induction from Bamford that he's be interested in declaring, the article includes the mistake below, and that's before you consider the already capped Curtis as outside the frame
The writer was clearly listening to Crazy Town's mid-00s classic Butterfly as he wrote that sentence.
#
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FEDrU85FLE
samhaydenjr
17/12/2018, 11:50 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/ireland-boss-mick-mccarthy-to-seek-talks-with-potential-ireland-recruit-patrick-bamford-37633365.html
Seems a no brainer for all parties.
Seen that earlier, there's no quotes from McCarthy, or any induction from Bamford that he's be interested in declaring, the article includes the mistake below, and that's before you consider the already capped Curtis as outside the frame
At this point, my reaction is "Meh" - Long, Obafemi, Robinson, Maguire, McGoldrick - that should be our strike force for the qualifiers, with an option for Connolly, Hogan or O'Brien if they hit form over the next few months - of the multi-nationality players of that group, only Hogan made us wait, and that was just for a few months because an agent got in his ear - apart from that all of them put themselves forward without much chasing on our part. Plus when would we blood him in? All the others (with the exception of Obafemi and Connolly) have at least a couple of caps under their belts plus more time training with the National Team
DeLorean
18/12/2018, 12:12 PM
I don't know Sam, I see your point but I still think he'd be a good addition. I don't think he'd take much 'blooding', he's ready-made (albeit with plenty still to prove) compared to some of those younger guys. He's a more natural number nine than Robinson or McGoldrick so I don't think it's an either/or choice against all of those listed. I think he has more to offer than Hogan or O'Brien if he can come close to recapturing his Championship poty form. Big IF, I know.
irishfan86
18/12/2018, 12:53 PM
I’m with you, DeLorean. I think our strike options are better than O’Neill stated/utilized but that doesn’t mean Bamford wouldn’t be a strong addition, and as you say, probably the most natural No. 9 potentially available to us.
Bamford is technically superior to anything we currently have in the squad. And, as Del says, can play the number 9. Would be a very strong addition for us.
Charlie Darwin
18/12/2018, 1:23 PM
I don't know Sam, I see your point but I still think he'd be a good addition. I don't think he'd take much 'blooding', he's ready-made (albeit with plenty still to prove) compared to some of those younger guys. He's a more natural number nine than Robinson or McGoldrick so I don't think it's an either/or choice against all of those listed. I think he has more to offer than Hogan or O'Brien if he can come close to recapturing his Championship poty form. Big IF, I know.
Worth remembering that when Bamford won POTY he was outscored by Daryl Murphy. So he could well be a good addition but I wouldn't be using that as a benchmark for anything.
Murph 1
18/12/2018, 1:37 PM
Not really sure about this Patrick Bambford story, this has been mooted so many times in the past and nothing concrete has come forth in terms of a firm commitment from Bambford.The previous management never seemed to clarify the situation one way or the other, Mick McCarthy will be a lot more proactive in his pursuit of players he deems good enough but somehow i will not be holding my breath on this one. For Bambford its either now or never.
DeLorean
18/12/2018, 1:48 PM
Worth remembering that when Bamford won POTY he was outscored by Daryl Murphy. So he could well be a good addition but I wouldn't be using that as a benchmark for anything.
Murphy was unlucky not to win the award to be honest, but that wouldn't really factor into my thinking one way or the other. We just have to go back that far to find a time when Bamford was playing and scoring regularly, but he's still only 25.
Not really sure about this Patrick Bambford story, this has been mooted so many times in the past and nothing concrete has come forth in terms of a firm commitment from Bambford.The previous management never seemed to clarify the situation one way or the other, Mick McCarthy will be a lot more proactive in his pursuit of players he deems good enough but somehow i will not be holding my breath on this one. For Bambford its either now or never.
The way you've written his name makes me think that maybe the previous management were chasing Bamber Gascoigne...
England has always been Bamfords stated preference but he has also talked about playing for us. We would be going into this with eyes open about how Irish he does/doesn't feel. I personally have no problem with it. Similar to Hogan.
January 2017
“I’d love to be called up for England,” ambitious Bamford said on his return to the Riverside. “That’s the pinnacle of someone’s career, to play for the national team.
“It is still my aim to play for England but I have my Mum’s side of the family who are all Irish, and they are pushing me.
“But I think I am English and we will see what happens. But I’m not going to rule out either option.”
geysir
18/12/2018, 9:16 PM
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“It is still my aim to play for England but I have my Mum’s side of the family who are all Irish, and they are pushing me.
“But I think I am English and we will see what happens. But I’m not going to rule out either option.”
By the sounds of that, Bamford is probably on the wrong side of the gut test, though isn't it curious for him to say "I think I am English"'
If we can safely rule out Descartes' cogito, ergo sum argument "I think therefore I am", the lad only thinks he is English.
Paddy Garcia
19/12/2018, 5:13 AM
By the sounds of that, Bamford is probably on the wrong side of the gut test, though isn't it curious for him to say "I think I am English"'
If we can safely rule out Descartes' cogito, ergo sum argument "I think therefore I am", the lad only thinks he is English.
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