Potentially eligible players thread

[Closed Account 2]

There is a thought process that suggests the "athletes" are more valuable to the sponsor if they play for a team that is also with the sponsor. Usually this means club team but sponsors also apply this to country, if there is an element of choice on that.

[irishfan86]

Well, a player is also more valuable to a sponsor if he’s playing in the Premier League. Playing for Ireland is a way to increase your profile if you’re an up and coming player from the Championship or lower tiers, where you’re likely nowhere near being considered for England.

[Olé Olé]

NI continuing their issuance of stick or twist ultimatums to young lads by calling up Arsenal's 19 year-old, English-born Daniel Ballard.

[Gather round]

NI continuing their issuance of stick or twist ultimatums to young lads by calling up Arsenal's 19 year-old, English-born Daniel Ballard

Or in plain English: NI promote successful NI u-21 and u-19 player to full squad.

He's a grown man who can choose who to play for

[Olé Olé]

Tongue was in cheek. You were quick on the uptake. I'm sure OWC is being heavily-monitored by members of this forum also.

[Gather round]

Tongue was in cheek

Was that before or after you swallowed the dictionary?


You were quick on the uptake. I'm sure OWC is being heavily-monitored by members of this forum also

My heavy monitoring of this site amounts to three months since my last post. Since when I noticed you've managed about 175

Back to Ballard- I predict he'll get 10 minutes in one of the games if the result's inevitable.

[EalingGreen]

Always has been - the north held up Shane Duffy for months even though his eligibility was never in dispute.I'm not sure how you dreamt that one up, but it's incorrect.

SD elected to switch to the FAI in May 2010. However, his new registration was held back by FIFA, along with numerous other non-urgent re-registrations, because FIFA were clearing a backlog of players who were switching in order to represent a team in the 2010 World Cup Finals in South Africa that summer.

Had ROI qualified, and SD been required for the senior squad, his re-registration would have been fast-tracked.

Either way, there was no delay on the IFA's part.

[geysir]

Always has been - the north held up Shane Duffy for months even though his eligibility was never in dispute. The committee sitting more regularly is the main one in this case.
I think the main reason that held up Shane Duffy's switch from the dark side to the FAI was because the IFA had taken their Daniel Kearns' case to CAS and both events coincided.
Possibly an embittered association such as the IFA could drag their heels and effect some delay but there's a limit to what they can do, apart from - can't find a stamp, can't find a post office.

[EalingGreen]

I think the main reason that held up Shane Duffy's switch from the dark side to the FAI was because the IFA had taken their Daniel Kearns' case to CAS and both events coincided.
Possibly an embittered association such as the IFA could drag their heels and effect some delay but there's a limit to what they can do, apart from - can't find a stamp, can't find a post office.See my previous post, which must have crossed yours in the ether, for the correct explanation.

And as for being "embittered", when SD joined up with an FAI training camp around the same time, where he got v.seriously injured, the IFA immediately sent him their best wishes for a speedy recovery.

But heyho, why let the facts get in the way of a good story...

[geysir]

See my previous post, which must have crossed yours in the ether, for the correct explanation.

And as for being "embittered", when SD joined up with an FAI training camp around the same time, where he got v.seriously injured, the IFA immediately sent him their best wishes for a speedy recovery.

But heyho, why let the facts get in the way of a good story...
I think EG you have to concede (yet again) that my post was the more accurate explanation. I don't know who or what you are EG but I'm certainly glad you're around, it does my ego no end of good.
One can get quickly tired of correcting Charles Darwin, a joyless venture indeed :)

I'm alway glad to be corrected EG, however I was only jesting about a hypothetical scenario involving the IFA and my advice is don't get too offended by a jesty hypothetical.


I'm not sure how you dreamt that one up, but it's incorrect.

SD elected to switch to the FAI in May 2010. However, his new registration was held back by FIFA, along with numerous other non-urgent re-registrations, because FIFA were clearing a backlog of players who were switching in order to represent a team in the 2010 World Cup Finals in South Africa that summer.
That sounds very nice but it is fantasy.
Shane elected to switch to the FAI in the month of February, the month of May is when he was called up by Trap for some training squad and had the near fatal blow.

..... and thus received the wonderfully gracious get well soon card from the IFA.

CAS ruled on Kearns July 30th 2010

On 20th august 2010

FAI statement:

The FIFA Player Status Committee passed its decision today to allow the player represent the national team of the FAI. Having considered the submission made by the FAI and the request from the player, the Single Judge of the Player Status Committee concluded that Shane Duffy is eligible to play for the FAI based on his Irish Nationality and the fact he had never represented the IFA’s association team at ‘A’ International Level previous to the application.

Timelines don't lie. Fifa took 3 or so weeks to pass Shane Duffy fit for intl duty with Ireland

[EalingGreen]

I think EG you have to concede (yet again) that my post was the more accurate explanation. I don't know who or what you are EG but I'm certainly glad you're around, it does my ego no end of good.
One can get quickly tired of correcting Charles Darwin, a joyless venture indeed :)

I'm alway glad to be corrected EG, however I was only jesting about a hypothetical scenario involving the IFA and my advice is don't get too offended by a jesty hypothetical.


That sounds very nice but it is fantasy.
Shane elected to switch to the FAI in the month of February, the month of May is when he was called up by Trap for some training squad and had the near fatal blow.

..... and thus received the wonderfully gracious get well soon card from the IFA.

CAS ruled on Kearns July 30th 2010

On 20th august 2010

FAI statement:

The FIFA Player Status Committee passed its decision today to allow the player represent the national team of the FAI. Having considered the submission made by the FAI and the request from the player, the Single Judge of the Player Status Committee concluded that Shane Duffy is eligible to play for the FAI based on his Irish Nationality and the fact he had never represented the IFA’s association team at ‘A’ International Level previous to the application.

Timelines don't lie. Fifa took 3 or so weeks to pass Shane Duffy fit for intl duty with IrelandThat timeline does not contradict my point, if anything it reinforces it, as follows.

SD elected to switch at the end of Feb.2010, as you say. But with the Qualifiers having been completed by the end of 2009 (Nov?), FIFA anticipated a number of new registrations and applications to switch before the Finals. (Quite obviously they needed to be satisfied that all players appearing were properly eligible and registered.)

Consequently they put a hold on effecting all non-essential registrations, inc SD's, until after the backlog was cleared and the tournament was out of the way (Final was mid-July). Which will have been why it took until 20 August for them to get round to SD's application, amongst all the rest. (This will have cleared the decks for European competitions starting in the autumn)

Meanwhile, Kearns/CAS was nothing whatever to do with it, since SD's Donegal Da meant that the IFA did not contest SD's switch at any stage. Therefore they had no cause to delay his registration. Indeed, even if they had been so inclined for some reason, I'm pretty sure there will have been no competitive matches at any age group coming up that the ROI might have needed SD for, because it was approaching the season's end.

Therefore what would have been the point of withholding his documents, since the FAI could, of course, have gone ahead regardless and picked him for any friendlies they had planned whilst they waited on the IFA?

[geysir]

Do you have anything to support that fantasy account EG?

When the IFA complaint was lodged with CAS, all transfer activity between the IFA to the FAI was put on hold.
The IFA appeal was made against the Single Judge of the Players’ Status Committee of FIFA in regards to a decision he/she made re Daniel Kearns.
I'd just understand that holding action as being 'normal', given the circumstances that the appeal was made against the Judge who decides on these matters

Timeline
Duffy announces switch late February 2010
IFA lodge appeal with CAS early March 2010.
CAS announce result July 30 2010
Shane is declared switched by the Single Judge of the Players’ Status Committee of FIFA 20th August 2010
it was widely reported at the time that the first player to benefit would be Shane Duffy whose transfer was put on hold during the hostilities.
Every other transfer between the IFA to FAI took no more than 2 months to complete.

[TrapAPony]

Lads, isn't there a thread already dedicated to this CAS/FAI/IFA puke? ^

[EalingGreen]

Do you have anything to support that fantasy account EG?

When the IFA complaint was lodged with CAS, all transfer activity between the IFA to the FAI was put on hold.
The IFA appeal was made against the Single Judge of the Players’ Status Committee of FIFA in regards to a decision he/she made re Daniel Kearns.
I'd just understand that holding action as being 'normal', given the circumstances that the appeal was made against the Judge who decides on these matters

Timeline
Duffy announces switch late February 2010
IFA lodge appeal with CAS early March 2010.
CAS announce result July 30 2010
Shane is declared switched by the Single Judge of the Players’ Status Committee of FIFA 20th August 2010
it was widely reported at the time that the first player to benefit would be Shane Duffy whose transfer was put on hold during the hostilities.
Every other transfer between the IFA to FAI took no more than 2 months to complete.The claim was that SD's transfer was (maliciously) delayed by the IFA.

I have demonstrated why they had no cause to do so, since they accepted there was no doubt as to his eligibility (father), nor would it have made any material difference to his availability to the FAI (no competitive games).

Now if it turns out that FIFA delayed the transfer since they considered it to be caught up by the IFA/CAS case, then that would just be one of those things and could not be put down to spite against SD by the IFA.

But in any case, even had there been no IFA/CAS appeal, SD's transfer would still have been held in abeyance whilst the World Cup backlog was fast-tracked, that fast-track process being a matter of public record at the time.

But listen, I can hear the weary sighs of others wafting across the ether as I type, so if you insist on persuading yourself that it's just another case of prejudice by those Big Bad Nordies, even in the face of the facts, then go ahead.

[liamoo11]

Liam coyle at liverpool has been called up by the north 21s

[Razors left peg]

One of the lads on the YBIG forum just posted an interview he did with Ryan Johansson, good read

http://lawboi.netsoc.co/wordpress/2019/02/12/ryanjohansson/

[irishfan86]

Thanks for sharing, Razor. Great read. You can tell he really wants to play for us and the stuff about his brother going to university in Dublin really emphasizes the genuine connection his family has with Ireland.

[geysir]

The claim was that SD's transfer was (maliciously) delayed by the IFA.

From the outset I said it was not the IFA who delayed Shane Duffy's transfer and gave the exact account of how it was delayed. Your account was fantasy, wooly beyond belief.

[geysir]

Lads, isn't there a thread already dedicated to this CAS/FAI/IFA puke? ^
What's puke about eligibility in a thread about eligibility, albeit not the exact thread?
Perhaps you know it all and are extremely bored by more than 3 sentences on Shane Duffy's transfer and just want to puke?

[liamoo11]

Nice to see connell and Coventry accept call ups to the 19s and 21s this week. Given the rice saga surely any lad in the system who was undecided would excuse themselves from call ups and make the decision to move. Connell hadnt played competitive 19s for us this season so he could have switched to Brits for their qualifiers this month and same with Coventry start of new 21s cycle

[Olé Olé]

Nice to see connell and Coventry accept call ups to the 19s and 21s this week. Given the rice saga surely any lad in the system who was undecided would excuse themselves from call ups and make the decision to move. Connell hadnt played competitive 19s for us this season so he could have switched to Brits for their qualifiers this month and same with Coventry start of new 21s cycle

Do you think the Rice issue would put pressure on anyone uncertain? I think the brazenness of both Rice and Grealish in taking us for a ride would hardly get the screw turned on these lads if they didn't want it.

[liamoo11]

Do you think the Rice issue would put pressure on anyone uncertain? I think the brazenness of both Rice and Grealish in taking us for a ride would hardly get the screw turned on these lads if they didn't want it.

Ah let's hope cynicism hasn't reached Those lengths. If connell pr Coventry wanted out now is a nice easy time especially if connell is been lined up for the big money premier league move when we are all told been in the English system gets you much bigger contract and endorsement deals.

[greendeiseboy]

Nice to see connell and Coventry accept call ups to the 19s and 21s this week. Given the rice saga surely any lad in the system who was undecided would excuse themselves from call ups and make the decision to move. Connell hadnt played competitive 19s for us this season so he could have switched to Brits for their qualifiers this month and same with Coventry start of new 21s cycle


Look, Grealish was nailed on from day one to go with England, he made that pretty clear in his support for the senior team, so as much as that was hard to stomach, it wasn’t a surprise.

As for the other one, that was a lot tougher given the kissing of the badge, singing the anthem, the interviews, his dad, the 3 appearances etc., we didn’t see it coming.

Therefore his was by far the hardest to take.

On the other hand Coventry’s connection is much closer, his mother is Irish, so I’d be hopeful he’ll stick with us or else he’ll have a good smack of the wooden spoon off her

As for Luca Noddy Holder Connell, I’d be less hopeful

[Sullivinho]

The extent to which these dual eligibles can play f̶o̶r̶ us has been modernized to full international level courtesy of the trailblazing Rice-a-phoney. I wouldn't read anything, either way, into young players with options turning up, short of a full cap situation.

[Olé Olé]

Look, Grealish was nailed on from day one to go with England, he made that pretty clear in his support for the senior team, so as much as that was hard to stomach, it wasn’t a surprise.

As for the other one, that was a lot tougher given the kissing of the badge, singing the anthem, the interviews, his dad, the 3 appearances etc., we didn’t see it coming.

Therefore his was by far the hardest to take.

On the other hand Coventry’s connection is much closer, his mother is Irish, so I’d be hopeful he’ll stick with us or else he’ll have a good smack of the wooden spoon off her

As for Luca Noddy Holder Connell, I’d be less hopeful
What is your issue with Connell? Please explain and provide reasons.

[dynamo kerry]

My own view on this has hardened considerably. The Eni Aluko article in the guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/feb/14/declan-rice-england-republic-of-ireland-identity - telling us to respect dual nationality irked me immensely. No switches after u-19 would be my line. No taking up space in squads unless you are committed from a decent age. 18 year olds are adults. They can make a call and live with it. If we lose people so be it.

[Diggs246]

Do we have confirmation that Max O'Leary ( bristol city Keeper) is qualified?
Thanks

[paul_oshea]

Will Keane scores against his brother Michael at Euro 2020. What odds giveth?

[TrapAPony]

Will Keane scores against his brother Michael at Euro 2020. What odds giveth?

Unless the entire Irish squad is wiped out by a plague beforehand then there is probably no chance Will Keane will make it. There is already Robinson, Obafemi, Long, McGoldrick, Hogan, Maguire, O'Brien and supposedly Bamford declaring. 4 from that will be picked for a 23 man Euro squad.

[Raheen]

Not sure if this has been posted before: AFAIK Kyle Taylor, who's breaking through to the first team at A.F.C. Bournemouth, is qualified for us. His mother is Irish.

[I only know this 'cos his brother is a well-known comedian in France and has spoken about his Irish mammy.]

[paul_oshea]

Someone reach out to the FAI. :D

[tetsujin1979]

Not sure if this has been posted before: AFAIK Kyle Taylor, who's breaking through to the first team at A.F.C. Bournemouth, is qualified for us. His mother is Irish.

[I only know this 'cos his brother is a well-known comedian in France and has spoken about his Irish mammy.]
you can contact the FAI on info@fai.ie about him

[elatedscum]

how did the north get Liam Coyle and we didn't? Think he's good enough to at the very least be in Kenny's squad...

[Eminence Grise]

[I only know this 'cos his brother is a well-known comedian in France and has spoken about his Irish mammy.]


Someone reach out to the FAI. :D

I honestly don't think that shower need another comedian.

[OMTY]

Not quite the right thread but I see a Jamie Egan from Cabo called in to the Welsh u17 team.

[SkStu]

Isn’t this guy potentially one of ours??


Goal! West Bromwich Albion 4, Preston North End 1. Josh Ginnelly (Preston North End) right footed shot from the centre of the box to the bottom left corner. Assisted by Lukas Nmecha.

[liamoo11]

Isn’t this guy potentially one of ours??

Don't think he was ever invoked. Any chance you thinking of Rafferty who they signed in Jan and used be at liverpool?

[tetsujin1979]

CJ Egan Riley, Louis Barry and Liam Delap were all included in the England U16s squad in the Montaigu Tournament.
Both Barry and Delap scored against Brazil in the third place play off on Monday
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[liamoo11]

CJ Egan Riley, Louis Barry and Liam Delap were all included in the England U16s squad in the Montaigu Tournament.
Both Barry and Delap scored against Brazil in the third place play off on Monday
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And young Ireland is in with their 15s again this week.

[Olé Olé]

Lad on the bench for Burnley today called Anthony Driscoll-Glennon. 19 year old left. One would be more confident of his eligibility if he weren't from Liverpool where the lads with Irish names these days are generally a generation too far out.

[mark12345]

Lad on the bench for Burnley today called Anthony Driscoll-Glennon. 19 year old left. One would be more confident of his eligibility if he weren't from Liverpool where the lads with Irish names these days are generally a generation too far out.

No Irish connection that I can find. He played with Liverpool youth set up since he was 6 years old. Also comes from the same area and played in same team as Trent Alexander Arnold.

[TrapAPony]

Not sure if this has been posted before: AFAIK Kyle Taylor, who's breaking through to the first team at A.F.C. Bournemouth, is qualified for us. His mother is Irish.

[I only know this 'cos his brother is a well-known comedian in France and has spoken about his Irish mammy.]

Was on the bench for them today

[elatedscum]

Redmond included in the England squad today. Guess that reduces the chance from 5% down to 0.5%. Always looked unlikely but theoretically, if he isn't capped, the door is still open... Southgate probably just trying to cap him to be safe: Sterling, Sancho, Rashford, Alli and Lingaard all in that squad. Can't see him ever player ahead of those guys - add Hudson-Odoi too. Rhian Brewster in another year. England are absolutely stacked with young wide-attacking talent...

[Diggs246]

Redmond included in the England squad today. Guess that reduces the chance from 5% down to 0.5%. Always looked unlikely but theoretically, if he isn't capped, the door is still open... Southgate probably just trying to cap him to be safe: Sterling, Sancho, Rashford, Alli and Lingaard all in that squad. Can't see him ever player ahead of those guys - add Hudson-Odoi too. Rhian Brewster in another year. England are absolutely stacked with young wide-attacking talent...

Im actually happy that this has happened. We need players who really want to play for us. give me a Richard Keogh over a Curtis Davis and a Jonny Walters over a Patrick Bamford every day until the day I die

[seanfhear]

Im actually happy that this has happened. We need players who really want to play for us. give me a Richard Keogh over a Curtis Davis and a Jonny Walters over a Patrick Bamford every day until the day I die
There is no point in pursuing half hearted players . They need to want to do it .

Make 1 verified contact and if the player gets back to us = good one way or another .

FAI response to questions should then always be that the player has been approached and has not gotten back to us / declined .

We have to have some Self Respect .

[Diggs246]

There is no point in pursuing half hearted players . They need to want to do it .

Make 1 verified contact and if the player gets back to us = good one way or another .

FAI response to questions should then always be that the player has been approached and has not gotten back to us / declined .

We have to have some Self Respect .

100% Correct. Report for duty or goodbye.

[elatedscum]

There is no point in pursuing half hearted players . They need to want to do it .

Make 1 verified contact and if the player gets back to us = good one way or another .

FAI response to questions should then always be that the player has been approached and has not gotten back to us / declined .

We have to have some Self Respect .

If England had done that, they wouldn't have gotten Declan Rice. They worked on his agent, they worked on his club, they asked John Terry to get involved - then they went for the presentation at St George's Park by Southgate where they promised him the world - that he would be straight into the first team, that he was considered as the most likely young candidate to captain the side etc etc.

It took the Ivory Coast a few years to convince Zaha: " Ivory Coast, even though I told them no, they still had the belief in me and still wanted me because they knew what I could do for the team." "The country and the fans love me already, and I haven't even done anything. I may not get the red carpet, it may not have the same Nike deals as when you play for England, but I'm going to be playing, I’m going to be loved and that’s all I want. Nothing else."

Some dual national players are absolutely dead set one way or anther but plenty feel a level of affiliation for two places and the association or the manager have got to do their best to make the case for Ireland. Obviously Ireland and England is particularly contentious because of 700 years etc etc but take Anselmo Garcia McNulty. Spanish father, Irish mother. Brought up in Spain but has all his mother's family in Ireland and visits Ireland. Speaks Spanish and English. The likes of Ryan Johansson and Tom Gaston are similar. I used to live in Berlin and if I had a kid there, I'd want him playing for Ireland but i would totally understand if he felt both Irish and German. And when you're somehow in the middle, it's rarely a black and white decision.

The Declan Rice situation was a little different because of all the things he had said over the past couple of years about his commitment, so people naturally felt betrayed but in the abstract, a dual-national player sitting on the fence is an understandable response... You obviously want passionate and committed players but it's also your job to make yourself an attractive team to play football for and to convey that fact as best as you possibly can and unless they've given you a no, you can assume that they are at least partly interested...

[Diggs246]

If England had done that, they wouldn't have gotten Declan Rice. They worked on his agent, they worked on his club, they asked John Terry to get involved - then they went for the presentation at St George's Park by Southgate where they promised him the world - that he would be straight into the first team, that he was considered as the most likely young candidate to captain the side etc etc.

It took the Ivory Coast a few years to convince Zaha: " Ivory Coast, even though I told them no, they still had the belief in me and still wanted me because they knew what I could do for the team." "The country and the fans love me already, and I haven't even done anything. I may not get the red carpet, it may not have the same Nike deals as when you play for England, but I'm going to be playing, I’m going to be loved and that’s all I want. Nothing else."

Some dual national players are absolutely dead set one way or anther but plenty feel a level of affiliation for two places and the association or the manager have got to do their best to make the case for Ireland. Obviously Ireland and England is particularly contentious because of 700 years etc etc but take Anselmo Garcia McNulty. Spanish father, Irish mother. Brought up in Spain but has all his mother's family in Ireland and visits Ireland. Speaks Spanish and English. The likes of Ryan Johansson and Tom Gaston are similar. I used to live in Berlin and if I had a kid there, I'd want him playing for Ireland but i would totally understand if he felt both Irish and German. And when you're somehow in the middle, it's rarely a black and white decision.

The Declan Rice situation was a little different because of all the things he had said over the past couple of years about his commitment, so people naturally felt betrayed but in the abstract, a dual-national player sitting on the fence is an understandable response... You obviously want passionate and committed players but it's also your job to make yourself an attractive team to play football for and to convey that fact as best as you possibly can and unless they've given you a no, you can assume that they are at least partly interested...

RE: England and Rice that's their way of doing business. Working agents etc that's not us. Our players play for their country not Nike.

RE: Zaha he made his international debut twice both times against Sweden

He has turned up for the ivory coast 9 times in 3 and half years.

[seanfhear]

We cannot offer the Financial Incentives England can , nor the chances of appearing at tournaments . They pretty much qualify every time these days .

Our players have to want to play for us . There is no point in demeaning ourselves .

[IsMiseSean]

It took the Ivory Coast a few years to convince Zaha: " Ivory Coast, even though I told them no, they still had the belief in me and still wanted me because they knew what I could do for the team." "The country and the fans love me already, and I haven't even done anything. I may not get the red carpet, it may not have the same Nike deals as when you play for England, but I'm going to be playing, I’m going to be loved and that’s all I want. Nothing else."


I wonder does Zaha regret that decision now? He'd be a regular squad member for England this season.