Potentially eligible players thread

[DannyInvincible]

When mick came in then fai sources were been quoted saying rice was definitely staying with us. Alot can happen in the next few years. Nobody thought Joe hodge was going to walk away from been first choice for England under 17s and commit to us like he did this season

As far as I know, Hodge isn't actually cap-tied to us though, since none of his appearances for the FA were competitive (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/joe-hodge/nationalmannschaft/spieler/503975/verein_id/23260), so he could still avail of the option to switch.

[liamoo11]

As far as I know, Hodge isn't actually cap-tied to us though, since none of his appearances for the FA were competitive (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/joe-hodge/nationalmannschaft/spieler/503975/verein_id/23260), so he could still avail of the option to switch.

Ah no he isn't tied to us at all your right. I was just saying he choose us this season even though he was first choice this season for England as well so this idea that duals only pickings when they cant get an England game isn't correct in Hodges instance

[OMTY]

Another one with more of an Irish sounding name. 18 year old Ronan Darcy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Darcy) likely to get lots of game time for Bolton this year considering their average age in their first two games was 19.

[Olé Olé]

https://twitter.com/paulrowantree/status/1161956879020544001?s=19

Update on Johansson. Surely FIFA have no basis to reject. We will see.

[DannyInvincible]

https://twitter.com/paulrowantree/status/1161956879020544001?s=19

Update on Johansson. Surely FIFA have no basis to reject. We will see.

Interesting. I'd incorrectly assumed that the whole story had arisen from Johansson having already lodged his request to switch to the FAI with FIFA and had it rejected.

[liamoo11]

https://twitter.com/paulrowantree/status/1161956879020544001?s=19

Update on Johansson. Surely FIFA have no basis to reject. We will see.

That says mick will have an update tomorrow. I really hope they are not rolling mick out to say how Irish johanson is and how he had a great chat with his mother etc to put pressure on fifa just cringeworthy stuff. Just try and get it sorted out behind the scenes at fifa and government level and leave mick just announce his squad(please pick crowley to at least make the Bulgaria friendly worth the trip

[Diggs246]

https://twitter.com/paulrowantree/status/1161956879020544001?s=19

Update on Johansson. Surely FIFA have no basis to reject. We will see.

What's significant is he has now applied for a change of assoiciation if FIFA pass it there is no going back. He is ours for life

[Olé Olé]

What's significant is he has now applied for a change of assoiciation if FIFA pass it there is no going back. He is ours for life

Even if the application is rejected?

[Stuttgart88]

https://twitter.com/paulrowantree/status/1161956879020544001?s=19

Update on Johansson. Surely FIFA have no basis to reject. We will see.I can't open social media at work. can you give a quick summary please?

[tetsujin1979]

I can't open social media at work. can you give a quick summary please?
From https://twitter.com/paulrowantree/status/1161956879020544001

BREAKING: @FIFAcom (https://twitter.com/FIFAcom) receives international transfer papers from @FAIreland (https://twitter.com/FAIreland) for Ryan Johansson of @Fcbayern (https://twitter.com/FCBayern). Case under review. He has represented Luxembourg and played in Bayern pre-season game with Tottenham. More from Mick McCarthy tomorrow when he announces Switzerland squad

[Diggs246]

Even if the application is rejected?

No only if it's accepted

[Eirambler]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/republic-irelands-interest-josh-mcpake-18955336.amp

Josh McPake for the Under 21 squad? That would make him popular at Ibrox. Wonder if it's just his agent trying to get him a Scotland call up.

[tetsujin1979]

McPake was named in the Scotland U19 squad today for two upcoming friendlies
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[tetsujin1979]

FAI reaches out as Maddison considers switch: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/fai-reaches-out-as-maddison-considers-switch-38431909.html

It is now understood that FAI officials have been made aware that a switch could be possible should he be overlooked for next month's Euro 2020 qualifying games with Bulgaria and Kosovo.
it's "understood" a switch "could be possible". Sounds like his agent is angling for a call up more than anything else.

[Olé Olé]

Absolutely nailed on certainty for the next England squad.

[TrapAPony]

FAI reaches out as Maddison considers switch: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/fai-reaches-out-as-maddison-considers-switch-38431909.html

it's "understood" a switch "could be possible". Sounds like his agent is angling for a call up more than anything else.

It is slightly depressing how we are used as leverage these days rather than players genuinely wanting to play for us.

[tetsujin1979]

FAI reaches out as Maddison considers switch: https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/fai-reaches-out-as-maddison-considers-switch-38431909.html

it's "understood" a switch "could be possible". Sounds like his agent is angling for a call up more than anything else.
Shocking exactly nobody, Southgate has called Maddison into the England squad for their two games in September.

[Closed Account]

Shocking exactly nobody, Southgate has called Maddison into the England squad for their two games in September.
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[CraftyToePoke]

Shocking exactly nobody, Southgate has called Maddison into the England squad for their two games in September.

I'm sure he'll turn down the call while he works through the anguish of this dilemma.

[liamoo11]

Oko flex hasn't been included in the Brits under 18 or under 19 squads.

2 lads who missed the 17s euros because they were ineligible are included but they are still based in england(and in school in England I guess) so maybe they are now eligible.

You would think if okoflex was going to be England eligible they would want him in the 18s squad just to keep him on board(cynical Brits!)

[tetsujin1979]

England have a bye to the Elite Round for the U17 Euro 2020 championship, so their U17 team are playing in the Syrenka Cup in Poland in September
Louie Barry and CJ Egan Riley were both named in the squad yesterday: http://www.thefa.com/news/2019/aug/30/england-u17s-squad-named-for-poland-trip-300819

[liamoo11]

England have a bye to the Elite Round for the U17 Euro 2020 championship, so their U17 team are playing in the Syrenka Cup in Poland in September
Louie Barry and CJ Egan Riley were both named in the squad yesterday: http://www.thefa.com/news/2019/aug/30/england-u17s-squad-named-for-poland-trip-300819

Interesting no delap even though he has been flying for man city 18s.

[geysir]

Ryan Johansson's father (https://www.sportsnewsireland.com/other_sports/fai-face-issues-getting-international-allegiance-of-bayern-munich-youth-ryan-johansson/) has confirmed that Ryan had not an irish passport when he first played international competitive football for Luxembourg

Johannson’s father clarified the specific details of these paperwork issues in an interview of his own, in which he stated that at the time Johansson had first played for Luxembourg at Under-21 level, he did not have an Irish passport, whereas he did already hold both a Luxembourg passport and a Swedish passport.

As nationality and citizenship are synonomous terms you can take it that Ryan is not entitled to declare for Ireland,
It's possible that Ryan's foreign birth was registered but I'd say that's a longshot.

[elatedscum]

https://www.afcb.co.uk/news/club-news/greenwood-trains-with-republic-of-ireland

Ben Greenwood of Bournemouth has been called up to the u19 training squad...

[Razors left peg]

Ryan Johansson's father (https://www.sportsnewsireland.com/other_sports/fai-face-issues-getting-international-allegiance-of-bayern-munich-youth-ryan-johansson/) has confirmed that Ryan had not an irish passport when he first played international competitive football for Luxembourg

Johannson’s father clarified the specific details of these paperwork issues in an interview of his own, in which he stated that at the time Johansson had first played for Luxembourg at Under-21 level, he did not have an Irish passport, whereas he did already hold both a Luxembourg passport and a Swedish passport.

As nationality and citizenship are synonomous terms you can take it that Ryan is not entitled to declare for Ireland,
It's possible that Ryan's foreign birth was registered but I'd say that's a longshot.
I still dont get this. How many lads have we called up over the years who played underage for England and didnt have Irish Passport at the time

[tetsujin1979]

Leeds United striker Patrick Bamford keeping doors open over international honours (https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/leeds-united-striker-patrick-bamford-keeping-doors-open-over-international-honours-1-9972435)

“I spoke to Mick and he asked me to basically change over nationality for the summer games and I said ‘look I had a bad injury last year and I want to concentrate interest of the season with Leeds.’

"I am not saying no, I am just concentrating on Leeds. I haven’t closed any doors, I have not said yes, I have not said no.”



Pretty sure he's not going to get called up. Between the current strikers we have in the Premier League, and the players coming through from underage sides, he might be surplus to requirements

[tetsujin1979]

William Hondermarck started for Norwich's U23 side against Oxford last night, and was involved in the build up to their goal in a 2-1 loss: https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2019/september/match-report-for-oxford-united-v-norwich-city-u21s/
Still no confirmation on his international allegiance though

[Olé Olé]

Leeds United striker Patrick Bamford keeping doors open over international honours (https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/leeds-united-striker-patrick-bamford-keeping-doors-open-over-international-honours-1-9972435)


Pretty sure he's not going to get called up. Between the current strikers we have in the Premier League, and the players coming through from underage sides, he might be surplus to requirements
Based on those quotes, he has us on the long finger so he should not be considered for 2020 qualification. Hopefully our under 21 crop continue to develop in advance of 2022 qualification and that renders Bamford unnecessary

[Fixer82]

Leeds United striker Patrick Bamford keeping doors open over international honours (https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/leeds-united-striker-patrick-bamford-keeping-doors-open-over-international-honours-1-9972435)


Pretty sure he's not going to get called up. Between the current strikers we have in the Premier League, and the players coming through from underage sides, he might be surplus to requirements

The diver can stay where he is.
We want lads who are committed, not lads who take years to decide.

[DeLorean]

Based on those quotes, he has us on the long finger so he should not be considered for 2020 qualification.

Yeah, as somebody who really wanted him on board it's disappointing to read his lack of enthusiasm. He's not closing any doors but he's showing no desire whatsoever to make it happen. Move on I'd say at this stage.

[Olé Olé]

I think 2020 might be a bit too soon to have a pair from Parrott, Connolly and Obafemi in our front three with Robinson. I wouldn't rule it out. The prospects for 2021 are mouth-watering though.

[SkStu]

William Hondermarck started for Norwich's U23 side against Oxford last night, and was involved in the build up to their goal in a 2-1 loss: https://www.canaries.co.uk/News/2019/september/match-report-for-oxford-united-v-norwich-city-u21s/
Still no confirmation on his international allegiance though

The race is on between ourselves and France, I suppose. Hondermarcks, get set, GO!!

[geysir]

I still dont get this. How many lads have we called up over the years who played underage for England and didnt have Irish Passport at the time
I dont know.
Players who have an Irish born parent are already citizens.

also
Players who have played GAA sport at their local GAA club.
Players who have a Monaghan grandparent.

[zero]

Based on those quotes, he has us on the long finger so he should not be considered for 2020 qualification. Hopefully our under 21 crop continue to develop in advance of 2022 qualification and that renders Bamford unnecessary

i'm not normally one to be too reactionary but how long does this guy thing he can defer his decision? until we are in a playoff? qualify?

forget it. not welcome.

edit: bit of a freudian slip perhaps corrected, i had 'gut' rather than 'guy'...

[tommy_c12000]

Ryan Johansson makes Bayern’s 28 man Champs league squad. He hasn’t done much so far this season other than playing with as sub for u19s. https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/alphonso-davies-in-bayern-munich-s-2019-20-champions-league-squad-sarpreet-singh-6777 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bundesliga.com/en/bundesliga/news/alphonso-davies-in-bayern-munich-s-2019-20-champions-league-squad-sarpreet-singh-6777)

[geysir]

It’s ironic that it is Luxembourg who are making the objection to Fifa about Ryan switching to Ireland. If Fifa do block Ryan’s switch, he has stated in that case he will declare for Sweden.

[tetsujin1979]

Interesting no delap even though he has been flying for man city 18s.

Liam Delap called into the England squad after a few withdrawals

[elatedscum]

Liam Delap called into the England squad after a few withdrawals

i hope the FAI have sorted him a passport, just in case.

Last thing you'd want is another Ryan Johansson / Dan Crowley situation. The same is true for Barry and Riley (assuming Riley is through grandparents and not parents).

[John83]

Ireland U16 Ayodeji Sotona is apparently the outright fastest player at Man Utd. Given Solskjaer seems to like fast young players, Sotona will presumably be hoping Solskjaer sticks around for a few years. He also qualifies for England.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/manchester-united/meet-the-16year-old-irish-winger-who-is-officially-the-fastest-player-at-manchester-united-38473459.html

[Stuttgart88]

Ryan Johansson's father (https://www.sportsnewsireland.com/other_sports/fai-face-issues-getting-international-allegiance-of-bayern-munich-youth-ryan-johansson/) has confirmed that Ryan had not an irish passport when he first played international competitive football for Luxembourg

Johannson’s father clarified the specific details of these paperwork issues in an interview of his own, in which he stated that at the time Johansson had first played for Luxembourg at Under-21 level, he did not have an Irish passport, whereas he did already hold both a Luxembourg passport and a Swedish passport.

As nationality and citizenship are synonomous terms you can take it that Ryan is not entitled to declare for Ireland,
It's possible that Ryan's foreign birth was registered but I'd say that's a longshot.Is FBR a unique Irish thing? My kids have Irish passports now but as of a few years ago neither was on the FBR. It'd have been absurd to say they weren't Irish eligible. They needed a FBR because I was born in UK.

[geysir]

Is FBR a unique Irish thing? My kids have Irish passports now but as of a few years ago neither was on the FBR. It'd have been absurd to say they weren't Irish eligible. They needed a FBR because I was born in UK.
Your kids were eligible for Irish passports but not automically eligible because of the circumstances of your birth. they became eligible after you paid through the nose and registered their foreign birth. I think the irish grandparent thing came from de Valera, it's not a given right in other countries.
Afaia the grandparent option does not exist in the British nationality law, neither does it exist in Iceland.

[DannyInvincible]

That's correct, geysir, and I suspect it's part of why the English media and commentariat made such a big deal or mockery out of our use of the "granny rule" over the years. My impression is that, because it was an option that the FA couldn't really avail of (since possession of citizenship has always been a prerequisite to playing for a particular country and the UK never granted citizenship based on grandparentage), they had some sort of perception that it wasn't the "right way" to do things or that it was somehow lesser.

[irishfan86]

That's correct, geysir, and I suspect it's part of why the English media and commentariat made such a big deal or mockery out of our use of the "granny rule" over the years. My impression is that, because it was an option that the FA couldn't really avail of (since possession of citizenship has always been a prerequisite to playing for a particular country and the UK never granted citizenship based on grandparentage), they had some sort of perception that it wasn't the "right way" to do things or that it was somehow lesser.

RE: England’s attitude, I think you’re right. As far as I know, Hargreaves is only player to begin playing for England having never lived there before (raised in Canada and playing in Germany at time he got his first England cap). Contrast that with our situation where we’ve had various players over the years through the grandparent rule who certainly never lived in Ireland and possibly never even visited.

[Stuttgart88]

Your kids were eligible for Irish passports but not automically eligible because of the circumstances of your birth. they became eligible after you paid through the nose and registered their foreign birth. I think the irish grandparent thing came from de Valera, it's not a given right in other countries.
Afaia the grandparent option does not exist in the British nationality law, neither does it exist in Iceland.Yep, agreed. But when were my kids eligible to play football for Ireland?

[Stuttgart88]

That's correct, geysir, and I suspect it's part of why the English media and commentariat made such a big deal or mockery out of our use of the "granny rule" over the years. My impression is that, because it was an option that the FA couldn't really avail of (since possession of citizenship has always been a prerequisite to playing for a particular country and the UK never granted citizenship based on grandparentage), they had some sort of perception that it wasn't the "right way" to do things or that it was somehow lesser.i think it's more simple than that. Our granny rule players almost all had English or Scottish (British) accents. They just didn't think they were really Irish. Big countries (that attract immigrants) just generally don't get small countries (that produce emigrants).

[geysir]

Yep, agreed. But when were my kids eligible to play football for Ireland?
With a Leinster league pedegree?? You are optimistic beyond rational realms.

Your kids were eligible to play, possibly once you got off your backside and registered their foreign birth but definitely when you eventually coughed up the cash for their irish passports.

More importantly in Ryan's case, considering only his grandparent/s were born in Ireland, if he did not have a irish passport before he played competively for Lux, he does not qualify for Ireland according to the letter of the Fifa statute.

[ColourfulPeanut]

Small thing I noticed. Okoflex deleted all pictures of himself in England kit from his Instagram. Probably means nothing but they were definitely removed!

[Olé Olé]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49639544

Interesting to note the Wales under 21 manager refer to the "pathway".

[tetsujin1979]

Small thing I noticed. Okoflex deleted all pictures of himself in England kit from his Instagram. Probably means nothing but they were definitely removed! could be an act of self preservation. Can't imagine they'd go down too well with the Celtic faithful

[Closed Account]

A couple of things, the second being more appropriate the thread.

1) Take a look at Kenny's Kids (@KennysKids): https://twitter.com/KennysKids?s=09

The best way to follow Irish footballers since
Tetsujin1979

2) In no way tied to 1 and no association, only its twitter, I read a tweet from John O'Sullivan
Take a look at John O'Sullivan (@johngosullivan): https://twitter.com/johngosullivan?s=09
and I haven't read anything else he's ever written, nor can I comment on the specific case he cites, but is the premise correct.....

And as I type, I'm sure, players should never be rushed to an adult team.