Potentially eligible players thread

[Olé Olé]

And that is where the issue lies- Rice (Senior) and Grealish (Under 21). They both played to a higher level with us and were able to bide their time until they knew and were told by Hodgson and Southgate that they were good enough to make the England senior squad. The three you have referenced jumped early and went all in on England so fair play to them I say!

Isn't McGuane eligible for us now because of this rule change? Not that I'd like to see it.

[Eirambler]

No, McGuane is still ineligible for us. Has played competitively for both countries and used his switch so cannot switch back again. He's English now whether he wants to be or not.

[RiffRaff]

I think the opinion on whether Rice and Grealish made the correct choice depends on your view on international football and I think that view has changed down the generations. There seems to be a view that winning things and playing tournaments should be the ambition, whereas other people think the honour of representing your country is the ultimate. I am firmly in the latter. I dont think either player had any idea of the strength of feeling involved and probably would never have pulled on the green jersey if they had an idea of the fall out. 10 or 20 years from now I think players will be able to switch countries on a regular basis and play for the nation whose league they play in and this will all be forgotten about.

[tetsujin1979]

Just wondering if Sean McGurk (18), born in Liverpool, attacking midfielder at Wigan and attracting Leeds Utd interest, has any Irish parent or grand-parent?

Signed for Leeds today, looking at the photo on the announcement, he *has* to be Irish
https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/28326/sean-mcgurk-joins-leeds-united

[SkStu]

Declan Rice is phony, badge-kissing scum.

[Razors left peg]

Can't help thinking that Rice and Grealish made the correct choice. The events of today at Wembley v Denmark would appear to back up that decision. However, had it been back in the Charlton era they probably would have opted for the land of their forefathers. It's all about success or chances of to be more precise.

From their point of view I'm sure they are delighted they made the change. Hard to argue that they were wrong from a football point of view considering that they are now in a final. I just cant stand either of them for how they both handled the switch. Both had a long will they/wont they situation that dragged on for far too long.

As shown by other countries in recent years if you have 1 or 2 top class players in an international team it can have a huge effect. I do believe that if they had stayed with us they would have made a massive impact and gone on to be legends in Ireland like the Houghtons and McAteers before them. They could have had massive nights for us in green.

Its impossible for me to wish them well in the final and I'm praying that Italy hammer them.

[John83]

Its impossible for me to wish them well in the final and I'm praying that Italy hammer them.
There are different amounts of bad blood and grudges held against those two, and for once the sporting side of things is as much a reason to dislike England as any historical stuff, but I think most of us feel like this.

[Diggs246]

Slightly off topic! but I was just asked a great question by my long suffering secretary

"Who do you hate more Thierry Henry or Declan Rice" ? I couldn't decide

[pineapple stu]

Henry surely?

Declan Rice scenarios are going to happen while we have such a big focus on foreign-born 2/3G players who don't necessarily feel all that Irish.

Henry's an out-and-out cheating *******.

[seanfhear]

Henry surely?

Declan Rice scenarios are going to happen while we have such a big focus on foreign-born 2/3G players who don't necessarily feel all that Irish.

Henry's an out-and-out cheating *******.
Would an Irish player have gone up to the referee and told the ref to cancel the goal if the situation was reversed ? What would most Irish people have thought of an Irish player in that situation especially if Ireland went out of the World Cup later in the game / penalties ?

[Diggs246]

I think to be fair must Irish People, would not have been happy with one of our guys doing that and knocking a smaller country out

I can testify that me and my mates were very unhappy when Robbie Keane dived to get a peno against Russia in 2010 ( we still lost 2-3), that was cheating too

[pineapple stu]

Would an Irish player have gone up to the referee and told the ref to cancel the goal if the situation was reversed ? What would most Irish people have thought of an Irish player in that situation especially if Ireland went out of the World Cup later in the game / penalties ?
If an Irish player had deliberately twice handled the ball, he would also be an out-and-out cheating *******.

I'm more than happy to be consistent here. For me, that's a lot worse than an English person deciding he's English.

[SkStu]

Declan Rice.

The anger with TH was temporary; the contempt for Declan Rice is permanent. TH did what it took in the heat of a game to put us to the sword; Declan Rice took our international caps and p!ssed all over them in a series of calculated and thought out steps. No decency, no honour. He is a self-serving 7 star of the highest order.

[Olé Olé]

Has Henry shown remorse? I have a notion he has shown a little. Declan Rice has shown zero. He disgusts me. Remember when he said something along the lines of "yeah, I played underage for them."

[paul_oshea]

I was never angry with Henry just hugely disappointed and frustrated. And he's just tried to play the humble honest straight guy before and since. He's conniving and a cheat. He's just as bad as Declan Rice. I think rice didn't realise he had a choice, Henry did.

[Charlie Darwin]

Rice doesn't really figure in my thinking bar wanting him to lose. Henry actually denied us a chance at a World Cup and a potentially huge moment for the country. No contest.

[John83]

Why does there have to be a hierarchy? They're different kinds of loathsome.

[CSAD]

Rice easily.

[elatedscum]

Rice for me. It’s a far fresher wound...

[Bottle of Tonic]

I don't like Rice, belting out GSTQ at the top of his lungs etc, just seems a try hard show.

However, we picked a foreign boy for our underage teams. He's English with some Irish blood. But English first. Always a chance he would change his mind in the future. Only a teenage boy when we called him up ffs. That hardly makes him irreconcilably Irish. He had to take the call up when it was offered to him. And I don't blame him for switching to his native land later on when he turned out, against all the odds to be good enough for them.

[SkStu]

Three senior caps though? That changes the moral equation, surely?

[Bottle of Tonic]

A little bit, maybe.

But we called him up initially as a kid and Ireland wasn't even close to being considered his first nationality.

[elatedscum]

A little bit, maybe.

But we called him up initially as a kid and Ireland wasn't even close to being considered his first nationality.

His father certainly would have disagree with that sentiment...

[The Fly]

Rice. I got over the Henry thing pretty quickly.

Anyway...

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[elatedscum]

Irish-born Dennis Cirkin has left Spurs to join Sunderland

[Eirambler]

I'd be surprised if Cirkin ends up being an England player in the long run. But probably more likely to play for Latvia than for us.

[The Fly]

This has probably been asked before, but is Todd Cantwell eligible?

[elatedscum]

I'd be surprised if Cirkin ends up being an England player in the long run. But probably more likely to play for Latvia than for us.

I’d say it’s probably 55% Latvia, 30% ireland, 15% England

[Eirambler]

This has probably been asked before, but is Todd Cantwell eligible?

Not that I know of, is there any reason why he would be?

[Razors left peg]

Anyone know the situation with Val Adeokum, the kid that just moved from Dundalk to Brentford?

A quick look at his Instagram shows him in Ireland and Nigeria kits, Nigeria seems to be more recent for him.

[elatedscum]

Anyone know the situation with Val Adeokum, the kid that just moved from Dundalk to Brentford?

A quick look at his Instagram shows him in Ireland and Nigeria kits, Nigeria seems to be more recent for him.

Could be wrong but wasn’t he included in the u18/19 camp that took place during the summer?

[Diggs246]

Where do we get these bell ends from!
Just decide and f""k off
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/top-prospect-mipo-odubeko-not-involved-in-ireland-u-21-qualifiers-as-youngster-weighs-up-international-future-40783284.html

[Deckydee]

Have not heard about this guy in a while => https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57008742 / Marcus McGuane

Knocked out of the league cup on Tuesday night.

[ColourfulPeanut]

Was it ever clarified if the new rules make him eligible?

Classic case of a silly decision at 16 effectively ending his international career.

[Eirambler]

They don't, he's gone - couldn't play for us now if he wanted to and, to be honest, he's not good enough anyway.

[tetsujin1979]

Was it ever clarified if the new rules make him eligible?

Classic case of a silly decision at 16 effectively ending his international career.
He's played competitively for two underage teams, so I think that means he's tied to England?

[ColourfulPeanut]

He's played competitively for two underage teams, so I think that means he's tied to England?
Yeah that was the case before the rule change but with all these funky rules for under 21 year olds I wasn't sure any more!

[Diggs246]

He's played competitively for two underage teams, so I think that means he's tied to England?

Sure you can play three competitive games for the seniors and still leg it if you are u21.... its ridiculous

[Olé Olé]

Have not heard about this guy in a while => https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57008742 / Marcus McGuane

Knocked out of the league cup on Tuesday night.

Mad how these things work out. I was definitely disappointed when he plumped for England and then moved from Arsenal to Barcelona. Now he's sharing a team with Luke McNally and Mark Sykes who came through the set ups of Drogheda/Pats and Glenavon. It would be ironic and could well be likely for Sykes and McNally to get a senior cap having had little experience for Ireland at underage level (for differing reasons but maybe Sykes wouldn't have got in anyway).

[liamoo11]

Mad how these things work out. I was definitely disappointed when he plumped for England and then moved from Arsenal to Barcelona. Now he's sharing a team with Luke McNally and Mark Sykes who came through the set ups of Drogheda/Pats and Glenavon. It would be ironic and could well be likely for Sykes and McNally to get a senior cap having had little experience for Ireland at underage level (for differing reasons but maybe Sykes wouldn't have got in anyway).

To be fair he was excellent when he played in the euro under 17s for us a year out of his age group. He hadn't been involved for us before that and was somewhat parachuted into that squad https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/mohan-names-squad-for-uefa-u17-championships-finals . Disappointing to see number of players who didn't make it as professional s .

[Olé Olé]

Paddy Bamford has been called up by England at long, long, long last.

[SkStu]

Paddy Bamford called up to the English squad for the first time.

*cries*

[liamoo11]

Paddy Bamford called up to the English squad for the first time.

*cries*

Deserved . He has always behaved well towards us to be fair he could easily have taken more underage caps or even senior caps like rice. As far as I can remember he only played one under 18 friendly for us

[SkStu]

Deserved . He has always behaved well towards us to be fair he could easily have taken more underage caps or even senior caps like rice. As far as I can remember he only played one under 18 friendly for us

Absolutely. No ill will at all. Stuck to his guns and what he believed in. Didn't eff us around.

Would've been a difference maker for us though. Him and Grealish... oof, it hurts.

[Olé Olé]

Ah yeah, I agree with ye. Hats off to this lad. And I believe the connection is similar to Rice in that he has a parent born to Irish parents and his mother's family would support Ireland. Rice's old man was supposed to be the same. Best of luck to Bamford.

[liamoo11]

Ah yeah, I agree with ye. Hats off to this lad. And I believe the connection is similar to Rice in that he has a parent born to Irish parents and his mother's family would support Ireland. Rice's old man was supposed to be the same. Best of luck to Bamford.

Yeah top lad and very good player. Helps prove you don't need lightening pace if you have other good attributes smart lad by all accounts accepted to oxford and obviously had the emotional intelligence to navigate the dual eligibility issue. I'm sure he still loves his Irish grandparents just knew he didn't feel irish

[backstothewall]

Cirkin was born here. That's about as far from "tenuous" as it gets.

Moved to Sunderland and playing there. The trouble we've had this week suggests a left back playing in League 1, for a club who are too big to be there, would be an asset to us.

Aiden O'Brien should be told to get in his ear every time he can about coming over to us.

[elatedscum]

After playing tonight, Conor Bradley is now 1 appearance away from being tied to N.Iron forever. If I were Stephen Kenny I'd make one last attempt at convincing him. At 18, he could be a guy who never makes it, but equally he could be someone who goes right to the top of the game. I'd hope like James McClean, Shane Duffy, Mark Sykes, Darron Gibson, Marc Wilson, Michael Duffy and Aaron McEneff that in his heart of hearts, he wants to play for Ireland...

[third policeman]

At this moment in time he is playing for a better team with a more realistic prospect of qualifying for major tournaments. I don’t think any player with a choice of allegiance will choose us as long as Kenny is there. Maybe a dual wualified Andoran?

[Kingdom]

We literally had the boy from Derry move across a few weeks ago didn’t we?? He was with the under 21s in Lux but not in the match day squad