Séamus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

[Stuttgart88]

We haven't got the players.

[Stuttgart88]

I can guarantee that if Coleman joins United they might give away a penalty sometime.

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd go one further and say the mere suggestion they're interested in Coleman will guarantee they give away a penalty at some point.

[DeLorean]

Jesus I can't wait for the transfer window to close... and it hasn't even opened yet!

[SkStu]

We haven't got the players.

The domestic league is a waste.

[DeLorean]

There seems to be zero evidence of anything, but in particular that he is United's third choice. Obviously most big clubs would have been interested in Dani Alves if he became available, but it's not like they were actively testing Barca's resolve. As for Clyne... did they even make a bid? Surely if they were really interested they would have been going tit for tat with offers as Liverpool even had one or two turned down. If they do end up getting Coleman I'd be inclyned to think it was their intention all along. I make no apologies for the pun. :)

[DeLorean]

Sky sources have this now as well so hopefully there's something to it.

[Charlie Darwin]

The domestic league is a waste.
There is no league.

[DeLorean]

Everton's Seamus Coleman NOT for sale as Manchester United target full-back (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-seamus-coleman-not-sale-9543260)

[NeverFeltBetter]

There seems to be zero evidence of anything, but in particular that he is United's third choice. Obviously most big clubs would have been interested in Dani Alves if he became available, but it's not like they were actively testing Barca's resolve. As for Clyne... did they even make a bid? Surely if they were really interested they would have been going tit for tat with offers as Liverpool even had one or two turned down. If they do end up getting Coleman I'd be inclyned to think it was their intention all along. I make no apologies for the pun. :)

I've read that Van Gaal lost interest in Clyne in the backend of last season, wasn't impressed with his form during the run-in, so went on to Alves, now Coleman.

United certainly need someone who knows what they are doing in that position, Valencia really doesn't cut it there. After the crazy money shelled out for Fellaini, Everton will be in no hurry to accept a first offer, even if its a different manager.

[Colbert Report]

Van Gaal wants to give the 3-5-2 formation another shot this season, and I think it can work for him, but only if he has the right players. I think we can all agree that Coleman's style of play is perfect for the right wing back role in a 3-5-2 formation.

[KK77]

I think he needs this sort of move. Has stood still the last season or so for me. Maybe he can push on now and get better. Working under Van Gaal will help him.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/21476/9897985/seamus-coleman-would-man-utd-be-a-good-fit-for-the-everton-man

Reading this article makes you wonder why they haven't made a concrete move for him already. If £20m is his valuation I would go as far as £25m in this transfer market.

Mings is worth £8m, Austin has had figures like £16m bandied about, Fellaini worth well over £20m.

There shouldn't be any problem with his valuation, but I'm sure certain people would complain about it like they have in the past with Duff, Keane and Long anyway.

[Charlie Darwin]

Everton interested in Leeds' right back Sam Byron, who has over 100 league appearances to his name, fuelling speculation (from me, mainly) that they're planning for losing Coleman: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/29/everton-express-interest-leeds-right-back-sam-byram?CMP=share_btn_tw

[tetsujin1979]

Football365 ask is Seamus Coleman a good fit for United: http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9898058/F365-Says

[DeLorean]

That's the same as TOWK's article above.

[tetsujin1979]

That's the same as TOWK's article above.
ah, I hadn't clicked the link in his post.
If you didn't already know, Sky own football365

[DeLorean]

I didn't actually but they seemed to be cut from the same cloth alright.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

For whatever it's worth..

http://community.manutd.com/forums/t/291218.aspx?PageIndex=2


According to Gab Marcotti these rumours are emanating from Cloemans camp, we are interested but he's not our 1st choice. He believes our we've managed to keep our #1 target quiet thus far.

What a surprise. If he was English, Italian or French he would probably be first choice. Scratch that. Would be first choice.

[tricky_colour]

It is not a great idea to announce your first choice unless you want to pay top whack for them.

[DeLorean]

United are willing to use Jonny Evans as part of the deal according to the Irish Independent. They sight 'reports' as their source so nothing too concrete there but it does seem to make a bit of sense, and maybe something Everton would be interested in. Link. (http://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/transfer-window/seamus-coleman-to-manchester-united-van-gaal-to-use-evans-as-bait-for-irishman-31349027.html)

[NeverFeltBetter]

That'd be a big step backwards for Everton though, there would still have to be some significant financial remuneration. Evans peaked for United a few years ago and has been dodgy at the back since Ferguson left. I don't think they would go for it, not if they have any ambitions of doing better next season.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

United linked with a £14m bid for Matteo Darmian.

If they can pay that much for a Torino RB who is give or take the same age, less experience (at a club of a significantly lower standard), less than half Coleman's national team caps, less European experience, less assists, significantly less goals and - no disrespect to Darmian, he's a good player - a worse player, a player with no Premier League experience, surely they could pay at least £25m for Coleman - who grew up supporting United - without feeling shortchanged.

TBH I felt he would have ended up at United sooner or later if David Moyes stuck around but I have no hopes of it now with a foreign manager there.

It's annoying that price has to be an issue anyways with the money they forked out for Shaw & Fellaini and the fact it's a problem position for them.

Look at the money players like Idrissa Gueye, Charlie Austin, Tyrone Mings and - in the interest of balance - Shane Long are going for.

[musicinmouth]

Did Sligo include a sell-on clause? Hope so!

[tricky_colour]

Did Sligo include a sell-on clause? Hope so!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/sligo-to-cash-in-on-coleman-143269.html



It seems it included a rather pathetic one

SLIGO ROVERS stand to profit to the amount of £160,000 in total from Seamus Coleman’s continuing progress at Everton, manager Paul Cook revealed yesterday

Coleman’s move to Goodison Park - two years ago this month - was notable for the meagre £60,000 Sligo received for the initial transfer. But four additional clauses in the deal will ensure the Bit o’ Red will get a reasonable fee in the end for the Killbybegs flyer.
Another £25,000 installment should arrive soon if, as expected, the 22-year-old makes his international debut for the Republic of Ireland against Wales at the Aviva Stadium on Tuesday week.




So it sound like the max they will get from the sale in total is £160,000. Looks like bad business, but not every player will be a Coleman and I expect the clubs are not in a strong negotiating position, glad of any cash I imagine.

[nigel-harps1954]

Sligo won't get anything for Coleman.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Why Everton should give Man Utd short shrift.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/everton-should-give-manchester-united-9591217

[Olé Olé]

Looks like United have found their new right back in Matteo Darmian, an Italian international who plays for Torino. The fee is £12.7m.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/9905726/manchester-united-have-agreed-a-fee-with-torino-for-matteo-darmian

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

It's a sad state of affairs and a crying shame if he goes the rest of his career without playing for a Champions League team, and approaching the age of 27 that looks like a distinct possibility.

One part of me thinks he was an idiot for signing a five year deal at Everton when he did, but the other more realistic part of me thinks he was right to get that long-term security for himself.

If you score that much goals from RB and accumulate that much assists, and managers like Van Gaal, Wenger & Mourinho still don't want to know anything about it, then Seamus could probably score 14 goals next season and he would still attract barely any concrete interest.

I genuinely think if he wasn't Irish then a team would have put in a bid of 20-25m for him by now.

Ah well he would probably just get messed around like Keane did at Liverpool anyway and Duff did at Chelsea anyway.

[KK77]

I don't think being Irish has anything got to do with it myself. I think he needs the move myself because he seems to have stalled the last 12 months but I can see and understand if the likes of Van Gaal didn't want to sign him.

[Charlie Darwin]

Far as I have read, he wasn't ever the first target and Darmian was always preferred. I wouldn't rule out both signing though.

[tetsujin1979]

It's also equally likely that the (reported) massive transfer fee would have put United off

[Charlie Darwin]

It'd be the first time in a long time they have been put off by a high transfer fee.

[Olé Olé]

If they got 10m for Rafael and bought Coleman for 20m then it wouldn't be as bad.

CD pointed out it might happen yet. Darmian can play centre half as well so maybe he's a Rojo-type signing- signed for centre half, full back and wingback. I think they've more pressing concerns than signing two right-sided defenders, though.

[DeLorean]

If United really wanted Coleman they would get him I think. They haven't been shy in splashing the cash over the last year or so. I have never seen this Darmian chap live but just watched an eight minute YouTube video to get an idea what kind of player he is. YouTube could make a hero of me playing five aside but he does seem to have a bit going for him, strong and aggressive but tidy and skillful. It might be slightly unfair to just judge a few stats like goals, assists and international caps to compare him with Coleman. Van Gaal seems meticulous and it just depends on what he's after. Coleman and Rafael are quite similar in playing style and Rafael has been all but frozen out in the past season despite Van Gaal praising his attitude. Time will tell but Italian internationals tend to be able to defend first and foremost, and this guy seems extremely versatile, something you couldn't really say about Coleman. I also feel TOWK's frustration though, this really looked like our main chance to have somebody playing at a really top level and, better still, excelling at that level. Hopefully it could still happen but I wouldn't share CD's confidence if this deal for Darmian does go through.

Edit- just saw on Sky that Darmian played all three games at the WC so I would have seen him, just didn't take a lot of notice. I was actually more interested in seeing their other versatile full back, Di Sciglio, who was excellent against us at Craven Cottage. He was injured for the first couple of games though.

[Charlie Darwin]

If they got 10m for Rafael and bought Coleman for 20m then it wouldn't be as bad.

CD pointed out it might happen yet. Darmian can play centre half as well so maybe he's a Rojo-type signing- signed for centre half, full back and wingback. I think they've more pressing concerns than signing two right-sided defenders, though.
Anytime I've seen him for Italy he's been on the left too. God knows Luke Shaw is hardly an intimidating prospect at left back.

[DeLorean]

It seems he made his debut at right back against us and went on to hold his place there for the subsequent World Cup games. He's been an ever present since in Euro qualifying, playing mainly on the right or right of a back three, but more recently on the left in the friendly against England and qualifier in Croatia, presumably due to Di Sciglio picking up an injury. Bit early to judge Shaw I think (despite being obviously overpriced) given his lack of fitness last season. Daley Blind had a good run at left back last season in any case and holding down a central midfield spot looks like it will be even more difficult for him next season.

[DeLorean]

Anytime I've seen him for Italy he's been on the left too. God knows Luke Shaw is hardly an intimidating prospect at left back.

I'd still be inclined to think United a fairly well covered at left back with Shaw, Blind and even Rojo all capable of covering that side, for now at least, but this article (http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2015/07/opportunity-missed-manchester-united-profit-as-serie-a-lets-torinos-darmian-slip-away/) has made the same suggestion as you CD. I hope it turns out to be accurate and there might be hope for Coleman yet.


Like Van Gaal, Torino coach Giampiero Ventura’s preference for a 3-5-2 often saw Darmian deployed as a left wing-back, and he could well displace Luke Shaw at Old Trafford.Last summer’s €35 million signing is yet to convince with either his performances or ability to avoid unwanted injuries, and the stature of Shaw’s price tag will mean little to his newfound competitor in Darmian.

[geysir]

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/sligo-to-cash-in-on-coleman-143269.html


So it sound like the max they will get from the sale in total is £160,000. Looks like bad business, but not every player will be a Coleman and I expect the clubs are not in a strong negotiating position, glad of any cash I imagine.
What about the FIFA regulation on solidarity contributions? If that works, that would mean Sligo get 1% of the transfer fee for the 2 seasons he was with them?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Can't put up the money to buy a proven Premier League RB for what is a problem position, but they apparently have the money to pay over £20 million pounds for a 31 year old midfielder in a position where they are already well stocked.

[DeLorean]

They are far from well stocked with midfielders/players with Schweinsteiger's experience, leadership and class. They struggled any time Carrick was injured last season, which was a lot. Plus I've only seen reports or £14-15m, which seems very reasonable to me given what he should bring to them. Not sure where you're getting £20m from unless you're including wages or something.

They have been pretty proactive with regards their right back problem area. It made sense to sign Darmian, they obviously knew Torino were willing to negotiate and they got him for what seems like a very reasonable fee and, on paper at least, he seems to tick a lot of LVG boxes. There are no guarantees that Everton would be as easy to negotiate with and they might just think that Darmian is a better fit in any case, time will tell but I doubt it's a case of really wanting Coleman but being too mean to put up the cash.

If Coleman was English we might well be saying he's overpriced because of it, and fair play to United for going to the continent for better value instead of just taking the easy option, a la Shaw, Clyne, etc.

[Charlie Darwin]

What about the FIFA regulation on solidarity contributions? If that works, that would mean Sligo get 1% of the transfer fee for the 2 seasons he was with them?
Only applies if he's transferred across borders AFAIK, and even so English clubs try not to pay it.

[The Fly]

Can't put up the money to buy a proven Premier League RB for what is a problem position, but they apparently have the money to pay over £20 million pounds for a 31 year old midfielder in a position where they are already well stocked.

You seem to be taking this personally.

It's easy to see why United didn't go for Coleman. At 27 and with 4 years left on his contract Everton would've demanded a fee of around £25m, or perhaps more, for him. Whilst I believe he could play for one the top 4 clubs and acquit himself well, Darmian represents better value and, according to many observers, will bring a greater defensive solidity than Coleman would have.

Your point on Schweinsteiger is just silly. Firstly, the fee is rumoured to be upwards of £15m, not £20m, and he has genuine world class pedigree in an area of the pitch where United have none, bar Di Maria.


(Basically.....what DeLorean said. :p)

[geysir]

Only applies if he's transferred across borders AFAIK, and even so English clubs try not to pay it.
I see that cross border restriction for the training costs compensation but not for the solidarity contribution

have a read of transfer regulations (http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/01/95/83/85/regulationsstatusandtransfer_e.pdf)
page 62 and 63 training costs
page 65 solidarity contribution

If Sligo don't want it, can I buy their claim for a fiver?

[jbyrne]

and he has genuine world class pedigree in an area of the pitch where United have none, bar Di Maria.


is di maria really world class? had seen him play for real madrid plenty of times and when utd paid what they did i was completely flabergasted. i honestly dont see why he has the reputation he has

[Fixer82]

is di maria really world class? had seen him play for real madrid plenty of times and when utd paid what they did i was completely flabergasted. i honestly dont see why he has the reputation he has

He's certainly very good. But i haven't seen anything to say he's World Class yet

[Charlie Darwin]

I see that cross border restriction for the training costs compensation but not for the solidarity contribution

have a read of transfer regulations (http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/01/95/83/85/regulationsstatusandtransfer_e.pdf)
page 62 and 63 training costs
page 65 solidarity contribution

If Sligo don't want it, can I buy their claim for a fiver?
The entire regulation is limited in scope to transfers between national associations. From the preamble:


These regulations lay down global and binding rules concerning the status of players, their eligibility to participate in organised football, and their transfer between clubs belonging to different associations.

[geysir]

I see that now, scope nr1.

Strange though that the cross association requirement is written in triplicate in annex 4 Training Compensation, but not a peep in annex 5 Solidarity Contribution.

[Charlie Darwin]

I believe that was the reason for an earlier case where Crumlin United were awarded a cut of Robbie Keane's transfer from Leeds to Spurs, only for them then to clarify it was only to apply in cases of cross-association transfers.

[The Fly]

is di maria really world class? had seen him play for real madrid plenty of times and when utd paid what they did i was completely flabergasted. i honestly dont see why he has the reputation he has

My intention with the 'bar Di Maria' comment was to hint at the potential world class performances he can deliver.

He was certainly world class in his final season at Real Madrid. Indeed many highlighted him as Madrid's most important player.