Séamus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

[CraftyToePoke]

Its great news, lets hope he adapts, I think Trap has the very same reservations about the defensive side to his game though. It also highlights the often mentioned on here need to export all our young talent into the English system at a young age and what Ireland needs to be doing to bridge that gap in coaching here, Seamus himself mentioned it once in an interview, how he was playing catch up in terms of coaching at Everton, and Moyes has alluded to it also in that piece.

If even a player as good as Coleman is, who had really stood out in LOI, still needs that amount of working on, the English academy system will be the destination for most of our talented players for a while yet.

[dotts101]

best news heard all day, and united did sign young today. coleman should be played as a right full with the menace to go forward. once gets games and proves himself there trap will have no excuses not to have him as our 1st choice right full. instead of squad playing winger.

[shellyriver]

I think for footballing pc or consensus thinkers, the LOI thing is totally over played. The anti-academy argument can be borne out by what danny mills said re zombie robots than are churned out by English academies being a reason for the country's underachieving.

Re peanuts Everton paid for Coleman, in my opinion, it was the worst bit of business done by Sligo Rovers to sell him for the price they did -- but simply put they didn't want to impede his career. Community club etc not having business ruthlessness.

But all LOI clubs have inferiority complex to England -- if Coleman had come up from any lower English league the money shelled out would have been a multiple of 10, irrespective of his purported lack of development. English clubs historically have nothing but disrespect for Irish soccer, look at the money that Doyle et al went for.

It is hardly is a ringing endorsement of academy structure that they struggle to yield results on level they should consider the investment. Aside to Moyes trying to look like a genius, and hit an easy target, ie LOI, the simple over riding factor in Coleman's success is a will to win and simply put, as he states himself, if the desire to beat the man ahead of him. You can try to teach it, but it's innate.

Allied with that Coleman is also cute and grounded enough to not over hype himself. But I have no doubt that whatever insecurities he may have harboured were dispelled during Blackpool spell and his early run with Everton.

Anyways, with all the expertise out there it can hardly be that difficult to have the top Irish underage in an Academy structure. Coleman was playing underage for Ireland. You don't need to be a genius to realise the boy''s got some talent. What for example, if another lad at the age of 12 from Cavan, Donegal, Mayo eg shows promise do you think its wise to have him linked in with an English club? The practical reality is it wouldn't happen.

PS - what the success of Coleman also shows is that if you can cut it at the top level in LOI, stay until your are late teens or early 20s, then there is just as good a chance of playing high level in England or Scotland, than going to an English academy or club, but without the huge dislocation at an early age and high potential for rejection. Roy Keane another example.

Glad to see he is getting due recognition and will no doubt blossom into future.

Also, he was back in the Showgrounds last week, giving standing ovation and warmly received. Along with doing the annual draw he stood with groups of kids and supporters. What an ambassador for his county, club, family and LOI.

[Charlie Darwin]

I think for footballing pc or consensus thinkers, the LOI thing is totally over played. The anti-academy argument can be borne out by what danny mills said re zombie robots than are churned out by English academies being a reason for the country's underachieving.

Re peanuts Everton paid for Coleman, in my opinion, it was the worst bit of business done by Sligo Rovers to sell him for the price they did -- but simply put they didn't want to impede his career. Community club etc not having business ruthlessness.

But all LOI clubs have inferiority complex to England -- if Coleman had come up from any lower English league the money shelled out would have been a multiple of 10, irrespective of his purported lack of development. English clubs historically have nothing but disrespect for Irish soccer, look at the money that Doyle et al went for.
Think you're being a bit unfair on Sligo. They got 150k sterling for a player they hadn't tied down to a long-term contract - that's no mean feat. Sligo have an average attendance of around 2,000 - it's not really viable for a club in Ireland to have a player contracted any longer than a year or two, so the advantage will always be with the English club vis-a-vis transfer fees.

[tetsujin1979]

But all LOI clubs have inferiority complex to England -- if Coleman had come up from any lower English league the money shelled out would have been a multiple of 10, irrespective of his purported lack of development. English clubs historically have nothing but disrespect for Irish soccer, look at the money that Doyle et al went for.

Reading paid the release clause in Doyle's contract with Cork, nothing disrespectful there.

[paul_oshea]

too many players gone over and failed why would they pay 1mil for an untried and tested player.

i think loi clubs need to be smarter in how they conduct the clauses perhaps the fai should have a contract lawyer they pay and all clubs can use for this sorta thing.say he plays 10 games its exponential 20 etc in multiples of 100k. capped at 50 as proven pfemiership or championship player by that stage.smart logical cute thinking.

[dotts101]

[QUOTE=tetsujin1979;1501505]Reading paid the release clause in Doyle's contract with Cork, nothing disrespectful there.

Cork had a sell on clause on Doyle, but with their financial restraints, Reading offered to pay it off and they did. A few weeks later he went to Wolves and Cork lost out on 100s of thousands.

[tetsujin1979]

Coleman taken off in Everton's preseason friendly against Villareal after a hefty challenge from Marchena, fingers crossed it's not serious

[Colbert Report]

[QUOTE=tetsujin1979;1501505]Reading paid the release clause in Doyle's contract with Cork, nothing disrespectful there.

Cork had a sell on clause on Doyle, but with their financial restraints, Reading offered to pay it off and they did. A few weeks later he went to Wolves and Cork lost out on 100s of thousands.

Wrong. They sold him the next summer. Cork got 600k for the buy-out and Doyle was sold for 6.5 million, so they really only lost out on 50k, and they would have had to wait another year for the money. Reading did them a big favour.

[sligoman]

Coleman taken off in Everton's preseason friendly against Villareal after a hefty challenge from Marchena, fingers crossed it's not seriousHe's gone to hospital on crutches, ankle injury.

[sligoman]

He's gone to hospital on crutches, ankle injury.Had x-ray, no fracture.

EDIT: Ligament damage, having a scan Monday to find out the extent of the damage.

[adamcarr]

[QUOTE=dotts101;1501532]

Wrong. They sold him the next summer. Cork got 600k for the buy-out and Doyle was sold for 6.5 million, so they really only lost out on 50k, and they would have had to wait another year for the money. Reading did them a big favour.

200k IIRC.

[sligoman]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216704_10150739023120344_659160343_20017792_579723 8_n.jpg

[DannyInvincible]

Had x-ray, no fracture.

EDIT: Ligament damage, having a scan Monday to find out the extent of the damage.

Any idea how long ligament might keep him out?

[tommy_c12000]

Any idea how long ligament might keep him out?

You really cannot say until after the MRI scan and the extent of ligament damage is ascertained. Could be just a couple of wks for a mild sprain to a few months with a bad sprain requiring surgery (a la James McCarthy). Looking at the picture it's his medial ankle ligaments that are in trouble (same as McCarthy from what I recall). X-ray showed no fracture which is a positive start, however, bad ligament damage especially in ankle region could almost be as bad as a break in terms of recovery time. Fingers crossed it is nothing serious and Seamus will be back fit in no time

[Colbert Report]

Out for the season according to RTE

[DannyInvincible]

Where are you getting this? There's nothing online about it from what I can see. Isn't he still to have his scan on Monday?

[Charlie Darwin]

Not sure how RTE could know that since he's not due to have his scan until Monday.

[Sullivinho]

Due to have experimental heat treatment on the surface of the planet Mercury according to the BBC.

[the bear]

did that info come from Uranus?

[tommy_c12000]

Out for the season according to RTE

Bad form if that's bull.

Worse case scenario really should only be til xmas

[tetsujin1979]

Out for the season according to RTE
Have you a link for that story? Can't find it on their site.

According to the Liverpool echo, the full extent of the damage won't be known until monday but he is expected to be out for weeks, rather than months: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2011/08/06/everton-fc-midfielder-seamus-coleman-facing-weeks-out-with-injury-but-his-foot-isn-t-broken-100252-29187700/

[Sullivinho]

Injury confirmed as ligament tear. (http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2011/08/09/coleman-ligament-tear)

[Spudulika]

Friend works with Everton, said it's too early to say how long he'll be out, but estimate is 2-3months. Can't see that as being concrete though.

[brine3]

Jesus, does this have to happen to every promising young Irish player?

[gastric]

Latest update on his injury.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/941746/everton-confirm-seamus-coleman-injury-blow?cc=3436

[magicman]

Can't find the link online but being linked with Liverpool after Moyes says every player has his selling price. Its in todays gossip column on the BBC

[Charlie Darwin]

Seamus Coleman is back (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/previews-bellamy-for-the-bench-hernandez-set-for-first-united-start-221950-Sep2011/?utm_source=shortlink) in the Everton squad for this weekend's game with Aston Villa. A bit convenient that he didn't make himself available for his country...

On a serious note, I thought he was supposed to be out for months, not weeks?

[the bear]

Seamus Coleman is back (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/previews-bellamy-for-the-bench-hernandez-set-for-first-united-start-221950-Sep2011/?utm_source=shortlink) in the Everton squad for this weekend's game with Aston Villa. A bit convenient that he didn't make himself available for his country...

On a serious note, I thought he was supposed to be out for months, not weeks?

me too, heard 6 months. thats great news

[tommy_c12000]

Starts today. Brilliant news! Best of luck to Seamus

[redobit]

Seamus Coleman is back (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/previews-bellamy-for-the-bench-hernandez-set-for-first-united-start-221950-Sep2011/?utm_source=shortlink) in the Everton squad for this weekend's game with Aston Villa. A bit convenient that he didn't make himself available for his country...

On a serious note, I thought he was supposed to be out for months, not weeks?

Come on Charlie. Dont be starting this crap about a young lad starting off on his carrer. There's been enough of this committment crap around the Irish squad lately. Im sick to the teeth of it.

[Supreme feet]

Come on Charlie. Dont be starting this crap about a young lad starting off on his carrer. There's been enough of this committment crap around the Irish squad lately. Im sick to the teeth of it.

CD was being sarcastic there; he said 'on a serious note' straight afterwards.

[Stuttgart88]

Playing a blinder according to Stuart Hall on 5 Live.

[paul_oshea]

Great stuff.

[Fixer82]

yeah he was definitely messing

[paul_oshea]

missing?

[Paddy Garcia]

missed?

[Charlie Darwin]

Come on Charlie. Dont be starting this crap about a young lad starting off on his carrer. There's been enough of this committment crap around the Irish squad lately. Im sick to the teeth of it.
I also see Kevin Kilbane started for Derby this evening. Don't any of these overpaid youngsters want to play for their country anymore?

[ifk101]

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/1029/1224306730642.html

Article on Seamus Coleman published over the weekend.

[shakermaker1982]

I read that it in the Guardian and meant to post a link up but didn't get on here over the weekend. Nice article, comes across as a nice fella. I really hope the Trap gives him a few opportunities this season (fingers crossed it'll be in games we are using to prepare for Euro 2012).

[tommy_c12000]

Independent running a story linking him to Liverpool yet again:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/dalglish-targets-irish-ace-coleman-2939026.html

O (http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/dalglish-targets-irish-ace-coleman-2939026.html)rigin of the rumour appears to be caughtoffside.com so probably nothing in it. Cannot see them splashing out anywhere near 8m anyways. Just hyperbole from McDonnell.

A trial at RB is overdue, hopefully he'll get the nod over Hibbert sooner rather than later

[tetsujin1979]

Comeback didn't last long, taken off after only a half hour with an injury

[tricky_colour]

I wondered why he was missing at the weekend, seems he had a thigh injury,
however he was back today but was subbed on 31 minutes which would seem to indicate
that he it was due to some sort of injury with it being so soon?

[Irish_Praha]

I wondered why he was missing at the weekend, seems he had a thigh injury,
however he was back today but was subbed on 31 minutes which would seem to indicate
that he it was due to some sort of injury with it being so soon?

On the Sportinglife ticker it sasy:
"Everton substitution: Seamus Coleman replaced by Magaye Gueye (tatical)"

[tetsujin1979]

on the Sky Sports ScoreCentre, the live text he was struggling before he was taken off with an injury

[historynut]

May only be highlights on Match of the Day , but whenever seen - always impressed.

[drummerboy]

Moyes said this morning that he was glad to have Donovan on loan as Seamus Coleman was out injured.

[TrapAPony]

Starts at right back for Everton v Tamworth

[DannyInvincible]

Limped off on 57 minutes and was replaced by Baines. Not sure how serious the injury was.

[liamoo11]

Starts at right back for Everton v Tamworth

Oh my god i dont believe it coleman playing at right back what a shocker that must be to those on here who constantly claim he is a winger and not a full back and scorn those who suggest he should be fullback for ireland and manage to ignore he played full back for 2 seasons for sligo, played full back for ireland 21s , played 12 games at full back for blackpool when they got promoted, and played full back for everton until in his initial games until he filled a gap in midfield and has more or less played well since to hold the position in aside who have no lack of fullbacks but do lack wide midfield players