James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

[KK77]

He's been playing senior football since he was 16, burn out could become a factor in his future fitness

You could well be right. Maybe he has told Roberto he is tired or maybe he should? This inury maybe is down to such tiredness.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I'm the one playing stupid? Lol.

[DeLorean]

Well, I said I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.

[DannyInvincible]

That's another postful of deflection and irrelevant whataboutery, TOWK, honest to God, like. I dunno how you do it. I wouldn't be able to twist things so masterfully even if I tried.


You are similarly lacking in contrition whenever you are proven wrong. And yes it is self-congratulation and validation. You are constantly making non-sequitur, passive aggressive comments and then accuse me of "playing the victim" whenever I reply and/or get upset about it. You have a constant need to be proven right. Let it (our difference of opinion) go.

"Let it go", as in, "please stop scrutinising what I say"? I don't need to be constantly proved right. The reason being is that I don't feel the need or try to be careful not to make rash and poorly-informed judgments and statements about things in the first place without being fully aware of all the relevant facts. I'm an agnostic by nature. I form an understanding of a situation once I feel there is evidence there to justify or compel such a belief. Being proven right or wrong doesn't really come into it from that basis. It's not something that fundamentally concerns me in the discussion and exchange of ideas. Obviously, if someone is intentionally peddling baloney, I'll pull them up on it because it only serves to obfuscate matters (and maybe there is an element of trivial or even masochistic amusement to my exchanges with you too), but I generally seek greater knowledge and understanding of the truth of situations; I don't go in search for the elusive correctness of a pre-held uninformed opinion or prediction. The difference with you is that you jump to an hysterical conclusion from the outset only to set yourself up for a calamitous fall. Cue the denial and, even then, we'll still have Paul bizarrely telling the rest of us bozos that you're right about everything and that the rest of us are all wrong even though we may have been reticent. It's all a bit hard to stomach when it's based on very shaky foundations. If you want to vainly set such lofty standards for yourself but aren't going to hold yourself to them, don't be surprised if others pull you up on it. Can you actually provide an example of where I've been unable to accept having been proven wrong? And where are these non sequiturs you're referring to?


I think our managerial team know better than you and I. And FAI doctors.

Indeed, but what you seem to think they believe or know isn't necessarily what they actually believe or know. You seem to be under the impression they're all suspicious of Martinez and that McCarthy would have been OK if it hadn't been for Martinez brainwashing him. It's bunkum.


Why was he playing two club matches in the space of four days if the injury was so serious? That's all I want to know. When players are not rotated at clubs competing at several fronts, this is what happens. 3/4 of their first team have picked up similar injuries this season. Maybe they should be more introspective avout it. He still has a duty to play Intl. football.

DeLorean sufficiently deals with this above and all you can offer him in return is a smart-alec response? I suppose it's better than a typical non-response... And if you're not playing stupid, there can be only one other explanation, I'm afraid.

He doesn't have a strict duty to play international football - it's voluntary - but he does play it when he can because he wants to play for Ireland.


Like when it was agreed that Coleman wouldn't play the USA game? For one example..

Sorry, what was this an example of exactly? I'd appreciate if you went into greater detail with quotes from the parties involved if possible. You think Coleman was rested because Everton were complaining and unduly sticking their beaks in? And you think Everton are to blame if the FAI do indeed bow down and allow them to call the shots with regard to our player selections? Either way, I don't see how this is evidence of an Everton or Martinez policy. All of McCarthy's 24 senior caps have come whilst playing under Martinez at club level, as have many of Coleman's. Both players have played in friendlies before without Everton feeling any need to "stick their beaks in".


He doesn't hold the same views as you either!!!

I never said he did. You were the one comparing your position with O'Neill's by asking if we thought O'Neill was paranoid too. My views are irrelevant to that discussion. You've obviously got a capacity for analysis, but it'd do you good to read a book on logical fallacies. Genuinely.


That is what people said. Their opinions changed of course when the FAI and the mgmt. team did start asserting themselves.

Which people? People here? I certainly didn't say it. My opinion on that has always been consistent.


Managers said that he couldn't ultimately play the game because he wasn't training. It was implied that he could have trained & would have been in a suitable condition to play the game.

No, that's what you inferred. Martin explicitly stated that had James had another two or three days, he might have played. That would indicate Martin agreed he probably wasn't ready. Anyway, what was the reason he wasn't able to train for the week? His (recurring) injury, wasn't it? Why are you still squirming like a snake on this? :confused:


Martinez past behaviors when McCarthy was still waiting for his first competitive Intl. cap.

Past behaviours like what? I want details. Not vague gibberish. What did big bad Roberto do to our wee James whilst he was waiting for his first senior cap? :rolleyes:


Now please respect my opinion. I may be wrong, as I stated in the very first comment related to this entire thing. So may you. I don't need to say I'm wrong just to satisfy your ego. Get over yourself please.

I'm respecting your opinion by holding it to scrutiny. You don't want everyone to tell you you're right all the time, like Paul, do you? Do you not notice that so few of the regular posters genuinely engage in any depth with you? Did it never strike you why that might be? Do you think it's because they agree with everything you say? I've said it before (and I keep letting myself get sucked in like a fool), but I genuinely think I'll stop bothering from now on too. You're clearly not interested in a reasoned discussion.

How do you reconcile asserting so presumptuously that McCarthy was fit to play with this supposed admission you might also be wrong? At best, you're inconsistent; at worst, downright disingenuous.

Didn't the fact he pulled up against Wolfsburg suggest that your scepticism and flirtations with cosnpiracy theories were unwarranted? When it's demonstrated that you've been unreasonable, the decent thing is to hold your hand up and accept it; not behave like you're doing now.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/james-mccarthy-everton-1812181-Dec2014/

"Martinez defiant that James McCarthy will remain at Everton despite widespread interest".

[Charlie Darwin]

Back in the team today but gave away the penalty that put Stoke in front.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Coleman - 2
McGeady - 1 (Opening day)
Long - 2 (In same match)
Walters - 3
Clark - 1

18 games in and 9 goals scored by Irish players. Safe to say it's on course to be the worst ever PL season from an Irish goalscoring standpoint?

Not helped by Long playing out of position and Walters being taken off penalty taking duties. But you would think Brady's returning to fitness, Quinn getting more game time and McGeady, being a decent scorer in Russia, would have balanced this somewhat.

Hopefully my attempt at reverse psychology works but it's just hard to see where and when the goals are going to come from.

Speaking of McGeady & Gibson, I am amazed at the lack of game time they are getting. I am aware that Gibson is injured at the moment.

[Charlie Darwin]

Tets will be able to do a comparison for you but since Keane left there hasn't been a great season for goals, I don't think.

[tricky_colour]

Back in the team today but gave away the penalty that put Stoke in front.

Not his best piece of defending!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYiZ6zydlk0

Drops him down the stats a bit.

[Charlie Darwin]

Not his best piece of defending!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYiZ6zydlk0

Drops him down the stats a bit.
To be fair, there was next to no contact. Bojan stood on his foot and went straight down. There were three or four penalty shouts on Match of the Day the pundits said weren't enough contact to be a penalty and there was no more here.

[tricky_colour]

To be fair, there was next to no contact. Bojan stood on his foot and went straight down. There were three or four penalty shouts on Match of the Day the pundits said weren't enough contact to be a penalty and there was no more here.


Problem was James went down to making it look like there was a lot of contact when there was little contact
it looked like a dive to me but with James going down too it looked bad, not sure what James was doing there.
I think it was more the guy ran into James and they both went down, ie he actually brought down James,
I don't think James wanted to bring him down because there was not that much danger but the guy ran across him.

[Stuttgart88]

I thought it was a penalty myself. Not a heinous foul but a foul nonetheless. Walters should have been sent off, and Barry was lucky too.

[tricky_colour]

I thought it was a penalty myself. Not a heinous foul but a foul nonetheless. Walters should have been sent off, and Barry was lucky too.

My first though was it was a penalty but if a player kicks the ball across you like that and then runs across you
it is kind of hard to not make contact with the back of his legs But I guess it is up to McCarthy to make sure that
does not happen otherwise it is pretty inevitable a penalty will be given.

[Stuttgart88]

Exactly. Nothing wrong with playing to win a penalty. It's quite different to faking being hit.

I thought what James did yesterday was quite similar to what Paul criticises Coleman for doing, often with good reason.

[Charlie Darwin]

Are you saying James was a penalty waiting to happen?

[tricky_colour]

Are you saying James was a penalty waiting to happen?

It's already happened Charlie that was a recording, the game was played yesterday.

[tricky_colour]

Exactly. Nothing wrong with playing to win a penalty. It's quite different to faking being hit.

I thought what James did yesterday was quite similar to what Paul criticises Coleman for doing, often with good reason.


I think I know what you mean, but a video of Coleman the same would be helpful.
The thing is though, Coleman usually gets away with it.
I think the fact McCarthy seemed to dive too won him no favours from the ref.

[Charlie Darwin]

Hence the use of past tense, tricko.

[Closed Account]

Hence the use of past tense, tricko.

Got your r's and h's mixed up there Charlie.

[tetsujin1979]

Coleman - 2
McGeady - 1 (Opening day)
Long - 2 (In same match)
Walters - 3
Clark - 1

18 games in and 9 goals scored by Irish players. Safe to say it's on course to be the worst ever PL season from an Irish goalscoring standpoint?

Not helped by Long playing out of position and Walters being taken off penalty taking duties. But you would think Brady's returning to fitness, Quinn getting more game time and McGeady, being a decent scorer in Russia, would have balanced this somewhat.

Hopefully my attempt at reverse psychology works but it's just hard to see where and when the goals are going to come from.

Speaking of McGeady & Gibson, I am amazed at the lack of game time they are getting. I am aware that Gibson is injured at the moment.


Tets will be able to do a comparison for you but since Keane left there hasn't been a great season for goals, I don't think.
Walters has four goals in the league this season, not three, so it's ten goals so far this season before New Year's Day, which is the lowest total since I started compiling appearance data for Irish players. The current record low scoring season is 2010-2011 with 16 goals scored before January 1st and the most goals scored was the following season, when there were 32 goals scored by Irish players

[Charlie Darwin]

McCarthy was taken off at half-time on Sunday as he was feeling more effects of his hamstring injury: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/concerns-grow-over-mccarthy-hamstring-after-halftime-exit-30869368.html

Ah but sure he missed the Scotland game because he was too afraid to face his real country.

[KK77]

He's a fragile young fella.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

That must be the 16th time you have made that same joke Charlie. Never gets old.

And yes, James must be the 9th or 10th Everton player to get this kind of injury this season.

[Charlie Darwin]

Who said it was a joke?

[tricky_colour]

Dunno but it made Martin O'Neil laugh.

[DannyInvincible]

Speaking of McGeady & Gibson, I am amazed at the lack of game time they are getting. I am aware that Gibson is injured at the moment.

What amazes you about a regularly injured player seeing little game time exactly?


Problem was James went down to making it look like there was a lot of contact when there was little contact
it looked like a dive to me but with James going down too it looked bad, not sure what James was doing there.

Well, he obviously didn't fall over intentionally to make it look like he had fouled the guy.


That must be the 16th time you have made that same joke Charlie. Never gets old.

Hits a nerve, does it? How many times did you accuse McCarthy of faking injury (or Martinez of faking his player's injury) again?...


And yes, James must be the 9th or 10th Everton player to get this kind of injury this season.

A team of fraudsters following their manager's example, no doubt!

[Stuttgart88]

Aren't Everton supposed to have some fitness guru who plans their training to avoid these type of injuries? Arsenal always have players out with strains and pulls, so much so that Wenger called for an investigation into their training methods and I even think they hired a guy full time recently to consult. But I think I remember Everton being highlighted last season (when they beat Arsenal 3-0) as an example of a team that was benefitting from a very sophisticated approach to these things.

[tetsujin1979]

McCarthy misses out today completely with his hamstring problem
Good article from Everton fansite "Grand Old Team" on him: Everton's lynchpin: http://www.grandoldteam.com/2015/01/01/james-mccarthy-evertons-linchpin/

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

@ Danny

The bone of contention would be McCarthy missing a game he was adjudged fit enough to participate in. Not adjudged by me but by his managers and doctors. The fact that virtually an entire team has missed game time this season due to similar injuries also raises the possibility that, perhaps, unlikely though it is, the injury that McCarthy has been dealing with is not married to the one he allegedly missed a Scotland game with. Perhaps it's just a coincidence. Just look at the sheer number of Everton players that have had problems due to lack of rotation among other things. But I'm sure you know better than Martin, Roy and the Irish medical staff, Danny, so I will delegate to you.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/gunners-targeting-january-move-for-evertons-james-mccarthy-30874567.html

McCarthy linked with a move to Arsenal. No idea how his present injury problems may affect this move. Wenger is normally very pernickety about these things.

[tetsujin1979]

McCarthy misses out today completely with his hamstring problem
Good article from Everton fansite "Grand Old Team" on him: Everton's lynchpin: http://www.grandoldteam.com/2015/01/01/james-mccarthy-evertons-linchpin/

As a follow up to this article, I've crunched the numbers on McCarthy's appearances for Everton since joining and you can read the results here: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/Blog?id=3821158226553370010

[DannyInvincible]

@ Danny

The bone of contention would be McCarthy missing a game he was adjudged fit enough to participate in. Not adjudged by me but by his managers and doctors. The fact that virtually an entire team has missed game time this season due to similar injuries also raises the possibility that, perhaps, unlikely though it is, the injury that McCarthy has been dealing with is not married to the one he allegedly missed a Scotland game with. Perhaps it's just a coincidence. Just look at the sheer number of Everton players that have had problems due to lack of rotation among other things. But I'm sure you know better than Martin, Roy and the Irish medical staff, Danny, so I will delegate to you.

Why are you regurgitating a previously-expressed position when serious fundamental problems therein have already been pointed out to you? Doubts have already been raised over your version of things and we've already been through all this from here (http://foot.ie/threads/68192-James-McCarthy?p=1795315&viewfull=1#post1795315) onward.

That was before you decided to ignore this post (http://foot.ie/threads/68192-James-McCarthy?p=1795641&viewfull=1#post1795641) of DeLorean's (besides the offering of a needlessly snide retort) and further questions I posed here (http://foot.ie/threads/68192-James-McCarthy?p=1795821&viewfull=1#post1795821).

If you're going to continue pushing the same dubious line as above, please at least deal with legitimate questions other posters have raised in relation to it before repeatedly trying to hoodwink us. Otherwise, just stop wasting everyone's time. I'm sure it's not a nice feeling to experience cognitive dissonance as a result of your sophistry either, but please drop the sarky comments just because you're irritated. I've not claimed to know better than anybody; my position is based on what Martin and James have said themselves (they were in accord), as well as the fact this was a proven recurring issue for the lad. For some reason, you still seem unable to grasp the difference between a scan and a fitness test.

[DannyInvincible]

I'm not dodging questions at all. I just think it would be better to agree to disagree, or discuss it further in private messages, rather than derail another thread. I don't think anyone is particularly interested in this subject anymore apart from you.

Maybe I am put off answering your questions because of your demeanor? It's pretty challenging like. You have accused me spoofing, wumming, trolling and called me "a vile little man" (although you deleted that after I challenged you on it), ostensibly because I have a differing viewpoint to yours.

Well, can we actually discuss this here then? You say you're not dodging questions but then admit to not answering questions, excusing yourself because you're put off by my demeanour. It's not just my questions you've been ignoring. And I don't think tets really has a problem with us discussing issues relevant to the thread so long as it doesn't devolve into multiple-quote digs. If you really want to discuss this via PMs, maybe you could respond to the one I sent you?

And just for the record, because you're posting misinformation about me, I have never referred to you as "a vile little man" (and tets can back me up on that), nor have I ever deleted something because you wanted me to. The reason I accuse you of spoofing and so forth, as you well know, is not because you have a different opinion; it's because of your sophistry and disingenuousness in debate.


If you could engage a little courtesy then maybe I would be prepared to further discuss the minutiae of whether James McCarthy was fit enough to play against Scotland or not - which O'Neill, Keane & FAI medics believed he was.

But you know that last bit there isn't even accurate.

[Stuttgart88]

The player himself thought he wasn't fit, something his instincts were proved right about shortly afterwards. Debate over as far as Im concerned.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Who cares anyway;the game was over weeks ago.
And we lost.
:(

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

You did refer to me as a vile little man. You edited it out of your comment a few minutes after you posted it. I'm not particularly offended by it. but I do think things like that undermine your argument. You present good arguments and then you have to go and spoil it by saying untrue things like "I'm spoofing" and "I'm wumming", and engaging in namecalling. And Danny, you have been disingenuous plenty of times - I have just given one example - so accusing me of that is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

Even though O'Neill said he believed he would have played if it was a club game, even though Keane voiced his unease with the McCarthy/Everton situation and even though a scan cleared him to play.

I have said several times I have no interest in discussing this further but it's you that keeps bringing it up and if you keep calling me a liar or accusing me of being disingenuous - several times - I am going to defend myself.

The match is two months old now. Perhaps we should both build a bridge and walk over it? We are never going to agree and we are just winding each other up. There is no use winding other people up over it.

Edit:

"If you really want to discuss this via PMs, maybe you could respond to the one I sent you?"

But you haven't tried to discuss anything by PM. The only PM you have sent me directed me to this thread so you could continue your crusade here! And I don't know why you are acting like I am ignoring your 1 PM. Firstly, there was nothing to ignore (just a link to this thread), secondly, I only seen it after logging on this morning.

So basically, you want to post your responses here and I'll just PM mine to you?

[tetsujin1979]

Alright you two, go into neutral corners. Either block each other or take it to private messaging

[DannyInvincible]

Who cares anyway;the game was over weeks ago.
And we lost.
:(

It's not even about that game specifically. It's the willfully-specious reasoning I find hard to stomach. James is a player I admire and for whom I have a lot of time because of his roots and because of what he's voluntarily put up with since deciding to play for us, but I think what TOWK is doing unfairly brings his integrity into question.

*The following aims to correct some inaccurate and misleading details about me in TOWK's post above, so you may ignore in advance if you wish.*

Anyway, I won't be engaging with TOWK again as this has all gotten a bit petty and ridiculous now just because he's desperate to avoid acknowledging outstanding questions with regard to his position. I'd hoped he might correct a few very loose facts in relation to my own conduct in that post above as it gives a completely misleading impression and I'm reluctant to continue with this out in the open, but he appears unwilling to give a more accurate portrayal despite my encouragement. To clarify matters, I never ever referred to him as "a vile little man"; I did once refer to him as "a bitter, small-minded little man" after he felt it was his place to make judgmental and belittling comments against whole swathes of people in the Andy Keogh thread. I took issue with what he'd said then and he even apologised later. He's obviously getting confused about that incident (and tets would be able to confirm that is the case), but he shouldn't make accusations without being sure of his facts. That latter reference was deleted by me upon tets' request and I acknowledge it wasn't in accordance with the type of conduct expected of users of the forum, but I could at least stand by why I used those terms. "Vile" gives a whole different impression and I wouldn't call him that.

As for my PM, it explicitly invited him to "let's do this via PMs" and it directed him (with clear written explanations) to posts containing questions I felt he still hadn't dealt at all. I didn't just fire off a solitary link; that's simply not my style, as you'll well know! He posted twice half-an-hour after I sent the PM (it's all recorded and time-stamped), which spurred my query another half-an-hour later in a post above as to whether he was actually going to engage via PM, so I'm puzzled over his claim that he only received the PM the next morning seeing as users are notified immediately of when they receive PMs if still signed in and using the forum. Not that all of that prevented him from sending me a PM response anyway if he did indeed wish to engage that way. Clearly, he has no interest in doing that, so I'll have to just let it go there and I assure this'll be the end of our little soap opera. Anyway, I'd hoped I wouldn't have to clarify matters myself here and I'm sorry and slightly embarrassed that I've had to do this, but I just wanted to clear up a few things for the record first.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

*I promise this is the last I will say on this matter and I will graciously accept any repercussions that come my way because of this* *I just want to defend myself one more time* *Sorry for wrecking yer heads*

1. I have a different opinion on you about the subject and I am not going to be bullied into changing my mind. I did not call McCarthy's integrity into question. I called Martinez' and Everton's integrity into question. I accept that McCarthy is a young lad and I accept the pressure he has been and continues to be put under. Even if he didn't want to play against Scotland, I wouldn't judge him for it. I would be compassionate about it, if frustrated about his missing presence. I have never questioned his reasons for declaring for Ireland.

2. It's not up to you to say they are inaccurate or misleading. That's up to other people to decide.

3. You're not willing to share any of the blame for this? I accept that we are equally to blame but you seem to think you are above reproach. I am not avoiding any questions whatsoever. This is old ground we are covering. We have each went over this countless times. Yes. You called me a "bitter, small-minded little man" not a "vile little man". I do apologise for that. I sincerely doubt anyone else was offended by my comment in the Andy Keogh thread. If anyone else said it, I doubt you would find any issue with it. I still apologised in any case. I would like to point out that I am not prejudiced against people with tattoos. My father has tattoos. I was just making (what I thought was) a humorous comment about the preponderance of tattoos on modern footballers compared to a decade ago. I don't know why you think it's okay to call me "bitter", "small-minded" or "little", or to say that I am "spoofing", "trolling" or "wumming". I genuinely resent that. I have treated you with nothing but courtesy while we are arguing. I wish you would do the same.

4. We were both told to stop quarreling on threads because our behavior was irritating other users and derailing threads. Since then, you have continually flouted this. You brought up Jack Grealish, completely unprovoked, on a thread specifically to have a go at me; after Tets moratorium on mentioning him on threads. You have had a go at me, completely unprovoked, on the "Andy Keogh", "Jon Walters", "David McGoldrick", "James McCarthy" and "Kevin Long" threads off the top of my head. You didn't/don't attempt to discuss anything by private message. You just referred me to a thread where you left another haranguing public comment (after you/we were told to stop). Like I said, you referred me to a public thread where you left a comment, so I responded there. If you had left a comment by private message like you were encouraged to do, I would have responded there.

You're right. This is sorry and it is embarrassing. I have told you by private message that I don't have the time to be going in circles on this and reading essay length comments because I have had three exams this month and another on the way. Since I left you that PM, I have had to deal with a distraught younger sister because her friend died in a car crash.

There are more important things in life and I am not going through this anymore. I wish I could be naive enough to believe you won't engage me anymore but letting you have the last word on all the aforementioned threads hasn't worked then and it won't work now.

As I have said, I requested you to block me and/or to ignore me, but you refused to do it. That's on you, not me.

[DannyInvincible]

I've replied on your wall as it's dawned upon me that we're probably not receiving one another's PMs seeing as we both have one another blocked, by the sounds of it. :o

[geysir]

It's the friday night 'Karpman drama triangle' special.
episode 10 series 6.

[dong]

This whole exchange is priceless.
Will this all end up in divorce?

[colonelwest]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052009/reverse-1241433407_fight_on_jerry_springer.gif

[Fixer82]

This whole exchange is priceless.
Will this all end up in divorce?

Who's gonna get the dog?

[DeLorean]

There is no dog. TOWK thinks they're too dangerous and although Danny says that this is a small minded attitude, he feels dogs are too illogical to tutor, though it is a challenge he is tempted by.

[Closed Account]

Nutrition is part of the recovery. There have been two big changes with James this season, one is the amount of international football he’s played, and that has brought extra work. The other is he is still growing.

That means the tissues are more sensitive. I know James can cope with the amount of games he needs to play, but it is true that your body can be extra sensitive the way you recover, the nutrition, the way you sleep, you shouldn’t overload, and it is important we find a way to help James in the future.


Quotes like this won't improve Martinez reputation with Irish fans. Smacks of a man under pressure. Wouldn't be suprised if he's out of a job by May.

http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/everton-injuries-pull-the-other-one-roberto-30896457.html

Also, Spurs are being heavily linked with our Jamie.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-target-everton-midfielder-james-4950895

[DeLorean]

After Keane's comments maybe he's just said to himself... "f**k them".

[DannyInvincible]

Quotes like this won't improve Martinez reputation with Irish fans. Smacks of a man under pressure. Wouldn't be suprised if he's out of a job by May.

It's odd considering James has played in only one international fixture since the beginning of this Premier League season; that was our group opening game in Georgia on the 7th of September. Prior to that game, he last played an international game on the 5th of March last year; that was the 2-1 friendly loss to Serbia. More recently, even when he was with the squad pre-Scotland game, he was rested from training for the entire week.

[tricky_colour]

It's the friday night 'Karpman drama triangle' special.
episode 10 series 6.

Looks like the triangle has morphed into a square.

Where will it all end??

[OwlsFan]

I can't blame Martinez for hating international football, and our international team in particular. I remember he was in the stand to see Gibson's much heralded return to our side following the departure of Trap and there, in front of his eyes, Gibson picks up an injury that rules him out for the rest of the season.

John Giles attacking a manager? Shock!

[KK77]

I can't blame Martinez for hating international football, and our international team in particular. I remember he was in the stand to see Gibson's much heralded return to our side following the departure of Trap and there, in front of his eyes, Gibson picks up an injury that rules him out for the rest of the season.

John Giles attacking a manager? Shock!

He wasn't attacking. He is was giving his opinion. Shock!