James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

[Razors left peg]

Seen McCarthy playing for the u21s against the Swiss on Sky recently and while he didnt stand out all game he did some things like making space for himself with his first touch that made me think he is going to be a really excellent player.He wasnt flashy but certain basic things stood out at times that showed a bit of class

[livehead1]

I've just scrolled through today's posts on this looking for eirebhoy's without clicking on that I won't be reading his extremely intelligent well thought out comments. Was pretty poignant. Feel free to move this.

[irishfan86]

I've just scrolled through today's posts on this looking for eirebhoy's without clicking on that I won't be reading his extremely intelligent well thought out comments. Was pretty poignant. Feel free to move this.

I know what you mean. I remember people were discussing bonus points in another thread, and I kept scrolling down anticipating eirebhoy's involvement, as he was always bringing up bonus points as an indicator of a player's performance in a given game. :(

[Reality Bites]

Any word on his injury?? I wonder will rout at Spurs help to promote him up a few places in the squad..its hard to know what direction his career is going at the moment, I am beginning to wonder was it just more media driven frenzy about this kid although I hope not it would be great to see a young Irish player breakthrough..

[Crosby87]

Is he hurt or just not picked?

[drummerboy]

Is he hurt or just not picked?

Both, seemingly

[SkStu]

Both, seemingly

hurt feelings cos he's not being picked?

[Razors left peg]

Hes on the bench today for Wigan.Hopefully the hammering they got last week will make Martinez want to freshen up his team in the next few weeks and McCarthy will get his chance

[Crosby87]

Is it better to play in Scotland on Hamilton or sit on the bench for Wigan every week?
Should he have stayed in the SPL until he was a bit older?

[Razors left peg]

Is it better to play in Scotland on Hamilton or sit on the bench for Wigan every week?
Should he have stayed in the SPL until he was a bit older?

well he hasnt even really been on the bench for Wigan up to now so its a step in the right direction for him. Personally I think he had gone as far as he could have at Hamilton and he should benefit from better coaching at Wigan, if he starts playing regularly then he will definately improve

[galwayjames]

It's hard to remember he's only 18, normally a player only starts playing regular football at 21.

[Cosmo]

Is it better to play in Scotland on Hamilton or sit on the bench for Wigan every week?
Should he have stayed in the SPL until he was a bit older?

He should've gone to a championship club! Never thought he'd get a look in straight away in the premiership! Hopefully wigan send him out on loan or something as first team footballs a must

[Predator]

It's hard to remember he's only 18, normally a player only starts playing regular football at 21.
Pedantry, but isn't he 19?

[Jicked]

I posted this a page ago:

He's still a boy for god's sake, far too early to call him a bust. It does show how ridiculous arguments for him to have been included in Irish squads on the back of people seeing that he got a game with Hamilton was though. He is only 18, if we was a regular in a Premier League team then he'd be one of the best players in the world, up there with the likes of Rooney and Fabregas. Instead it will probably take him until he's 20/21 to break through like most other extremely talented youngsters, and he'll go on to have a great career. He might not be a Rooney or Fabregas but he will still surely be a very good player for us in the future despite that.

He's 18/19, we don't need constant updates about him not being in the team, not making a bench, scoring for reserves. He's a bloody child. In 3/4 years time you can start worrying about his development, Frank Lampard didn't become a first team regular until he was 21, why exactly do people think McCarthy would be in a Premiership team already??

He also doesn't desperately need to go on loan to a Championship team to get game time at his age. He's coming along just fine if he's in Premier League squads aged 18 and highly rated by numerous coaches.
He won't be an issue for the Irish squad until we start worrying about qualifying for Brazil 2014. In the meantime let's worry about whether he'll melt in that heat/humidity ala Steve Staunton, rather than questioning if he'll be Wigan's lynchpin against Fabregas when they meet later this season.

[Colbert Report]

I posted this a page ago:

He's still a boy for god's sake, far too early to call him a bust. It does show how ridiculous arguments for him to have been included in Irish squads on the back of people seeing that he got a game with Hamilton was though. He is only 18, if we was a regular in a Premier League team then he'd be one of the best players in the world, up there with the likes of Rooney and Fabregas. Instead it will probably take him until he's 20/21 to break through like most other extremely talented youngsters, and he'll go on to have a great career. He might not be a Rooney or Fabregas but he will still surely be a very good player for us in the future despite that.

He's 18/19, we don't need constant updates about him not being in the team, not making a bench, scoring for reserves. He's a bloody child. In 3/4 years time you can start worrying about his development, Frank Lampard didn't become a first team regular until he was 21, why exactly do people think McCarthy would be in a Premiership team already??

He also doesn't desperately need to go on loan to a Championship team to get game time at his age. He's coming along just fine if he's in Premier League squads aged 18 and highly rated by numerous coaches.
He won't be an issue for the Irish squad until we start worrying about qualifying for Brazil 2014. In the meantime let's worry about whether he'll melt in that heat/humidity ala Steve Staunton, rather than questioning if he'll be Wigan's lynchpin against Fabregas when they meet later this season.

No, I'm not buying this argument. I'll give him until this time next year before declaring him a total bust.

[Razors left peg]

No, I'm not buying this argument. I'll give him until this time next year before declaring him a total bust.

Im sure he'll feel under pressure after that:rolleyes:

[zackmorris]

http://www.wigantoday.net/latics/Whizzkid-may-go-out-on.5880585.jp

[Junior]

http://www.wigantoday.net/latics/Whizzkid-may-go-out-on.5880585.jp

Could be loaned out in January (possibly back to Scotland)

"James produces great standards on a daily basis in training, and he is not a long way away from the first team.

Though Martinez will re-evaluate in January - seems to be worried about the strength of his squad and will only loan James out if he can bring in replacements.

[Ozymandias]

would prefer if his loan deal was to the championship rather than scotland.....Just so he is in a different league rather than the comfort zone of the SPL

[tetsujin1979]

was thinking Gibson loan to Wigan and McCarthy loan to somewhere like Leicester wouldn't be the worst thing in the world

[twoenz]

A few injuries at Wigan and he could be in sooner than we think. There are a lot of games in December, and your squad is stretched. If he gets a chance then it could be good for him.

[Crosby87]

Could be loaned out in January (possibly back to Scotland)

"James produces great standards on a daily basis in training, and he is not a long way away from the first team.


Doesn't that quote seem to contradict loaning him out?

[geysir]

It more mitigates against loaning him out than a contradiction.

Sounds as if there have been many requests to take him out on loan, McCarthy is willing and the manager is mulling over it.

[paul_oshea]

sure couldn't they recall the loan or whatever its called in soccer parlance if that were the case then.

[Junior]

If you read the article. He says he will review it in Janaury. If they bring in other (perhaps more senior/experienced) players in the transfer window, Martinez will be more comfortable letting him go out on loan - if they dont, then he wont.

[EastTerracer]

James gets his first goal for Wigan in the FA Cup this afternoon.

[macdermesser]

Just scored for Wigan in the FA Cup. Hope this is omen for a great year for him

[SkStu]

"Turnaround at the DW Stadium. It's Wigan 2-1 Hull, as 19-year-old James McCarthy sends in a shot which takes a deflection and goes past the hapless Bo Myhill.

but yeah, fck it, its easier for plebs to just write the 19 year old off as a failure and overrated... You know who you are. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Razors left peg]

the reporter on Sky said the goal has capped off a very good alround performance by him

[irishultra]

ok scoring against hull well done but he was apparently being watched by barcelona. i did get the impression he was going to be deadly. eirebhoy had a good post though explaining that with his style he prob won't show his talents until he's about 26.

[SkStu]

he is 19 though - too young to be rating a player nevermind overrating or underrating. Colbert Report marked him out as a failure a week or so ago and that remark was met with some agreement.

That sort of sensationalism is ridiculous.

[Wangball]

Scored for Wigan in the FA Cup today

[Acornvilla]

Scored for Wigan in the FA Cup today
d people post without reading whats been said before?:rolleyes:

[Colbert Report]

Fair play to McCarthy, a good performance today against a Hull reserve side. Hopefully 2010 is the year he finds some good form, I would love nothing better than to be wrong about him.

[Wangball]

d people post without reading whats been said before?:rolleyes:

Do you look at what you type before you post?

[Acornvilla]

Do you look at what you type before you post?
wow.. who cares :)

[Wangball]

wow.. who cares :)

Touché.............:D

[tetsujin1979]

Some of these comments are beyond belief, if any other country had a 19 year old score for the first team it would be hailed as a massive achievement and a great pointer for the future of the player.

I'm delighted for the lad, and hope this is the extra boost he needs to make the step up from reserve to regular first team football. If he's as good as they say, then the big clubs will come back for him when he proves himself at Premier League level.

Give him time FFS

[Crosby87]

eirebhoy had a good post though explaining that with his style he prob won't show his talents until he's about 26.

Come on. No one can deduce that a player will show talent at 26. Silly at best.

[tetsujin1979]

Come on. No one can deduce that a player will show talent at 26. Silly at best.
Nothing to do with talent, he already has that. The point was that, because of the way he plays, he won't be at his most effective until he reaches that age.
He needs the intelligence that only comes with experience of playing with other players.

[Crosby87]

I guess the people paying his wages will need to be informed that he will not blossom until 26 (not 25 or 24) as per a post on a message board. My bad tets. I bet they will be VERY interested in this "fact". I dont know what i was thinking.

You know, I have a pretty decent job, but anyone on here feeling the burn of the current economic state--I bet clubs would pay you a pretty penny to tell them the exact age a player will be effective. Might be worth a shot.
Hell if you can use that system of determination for other sports, I bet the Devils and Rangers (in fact i am positive) would be more than happy for you to give their AHL and OHL and IHL teams a serious run through. You can even stay in my apartment when you go down and tell Glen Sather he should be able to tell the exact year a player will be effective. Do you have any idea how much the Yankees pay their top roving scouts to come up with a rough idea for a players potential? And to think they could have gotten an exact age from a message board. (again assuming you can cross over this info.) Gosh Alex Ferguson would probably have the board pay millions for this exact info what is everyone waiting for?

[tetsujin1979]

you know, you really could have spent the time spent writing that to look up the original post from eirebhoy that irishultra referred to and checked out the points he made

[co. down green]

I guess the people paying his wages will need to be informed that he will not blossom until 26 (not 25 or 24) as per a post on a message board. My bad tets. I bet they will be VERY interested in this "fact". I dont know what i was thinking.

You know, I have a pretty decent job, but anyone on here feeling the burn of the current economic state--I bet clubs would pay you a pretty penny to tell them the exact age a player will be effective. Might be worth a shot.
Hell if you can use that system of determination for other sports, I bet the Devils and Rangers (in fact i am positive) would be more than happy for you to give their AHL and OHL and IHL teams a serious run through. You can even stay in my apartment when you go down and tell Glen Sather he should be able to tell the exact year a player will be effective. Do you have any idea how much the Yankees pay their top roving scouts to come up with a rough idea for a players potential? And to think they could have gotten an exact age from a message board. (again assuming you can cross over this info.) Gosh Alex Ferguson would probably have the board pay millions for this exact info what is everyone waiting for?

As tet's said, try reading eirebhoy's post regarding McCarthy and comment on that, the rest of your last post is unrelated rubbish.

Wigan boss Martinez - ' He's been patient and professional, I think James McCarthy has worked very hard off the pitch and he showed today that he is desperate to play for Wigan Athletic and that's the sort of player we need '

[Scooby Doo]

I guess the people paying his wages will need to be informed that he will not blossom until 26 (not 25 or 24) as per a post on a message board. My bad tets. I bet they will be VERY interested in this "fact". I dont know what i was thinking.

You know, I have a pretty decent job, but anyone on here feeling the burn of the current economic state--I bet clubs would pay you a pretty penny to tell them the exact age a player will be effective. Might be worth a shot.
Hell if you can use that system of determination for other sports, I bet the Devils and Rangers (in fact i am positive) would be more than happy for you to give their AHL and OHL and IHL teams a serious run through. You can even stay in my apartment when you go down and tell Glen Sather he should be able to tell the exact year a player will be effective. Do you have any idea how much the Yankees pay their top roving scouts to come up with a rough idea for a players potential? And to think they could have gotten an exact age from a message board. (again assuming you can cross over this info.) Gosh Alex Ferguson would probably have the board pay millions for this exact info what is everyone waiting for?
You know, certain people's posts reveal alot about them....:o

[Stuttgart88]

I see Colbert Report actually thanked Crosby for that post. The mind boggles.

[Crosby87]

All i was saying was no one knows if a player will be a success at 26. I realize many of you have blinders on here due to the circumstances of the original poster and i respect that.

Imagine if a person with a low post total or me or Colbert came on here and said hey, i have figured something out, James McCarthy will be great at 26.
All of you would flame the poster to death and you know i am right whether you admit it or not.

As for reading everything on here posted a while back, i was responding to the quote by irishultra above. Didnt realize i had to do so much additional research.

But i am not looking to fight.
I look forward to when James hits 26 and i can count on him being a great success. It is unfortunate that it is (apparently) so understood we will have to wait but hey, rome wasnt built in a day.

And as for people's post revealing things, thanks for pointing that out Scooby Doo. I always look for people calling themselves Scooby Doo to really know how to use a smiley face good and proper. Yeah he he go shels he he!! In the words of another cartoon character, good grief.

[Paddy Garcia]

8/10 in one rating I read and a v decent write up.

As has been said I can't see the 26 prediction making sense. If he is going to be great then it is more likely to be by 21 than by 26 (thiough clearly he may well improve as 26 is the optimum age for most players/positions).

[yapster]

I fear that McCarthy will be another McGeady, hyped up and way over-rated..

[carloz]

I fear that McCarthy will be another McGeady, hyped up and way over-rated..

Its a little early to be saying that. Give him at least another year before even thinking like this

[Acornvilla]

jesus no one has patience around here :)