James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

[SkStu]

except me and you Acorn. ;)

[superfrank]

I fear that McCarthy will be another McGeady, hyped up and way over-rated..
He's only 19, ffs.

Let's see where he is in five to seven years before judging whether he's a failure or not. Even McGeady is only 23.

[yapster]

He's only 19, ffs.

Let's see where he is in five to seven years before judging whether he's a failure or not. Even McGeady is only 23.


McGeady is only 23? ffs players back in the day were established by that age. Have you seen McGeady play? he hasn't improved any in the last few years, he can't cross a ball ffs. I hope I'm wrong about McCarthy but I think he is over-hyped like McGeady was.

[Acornvilla]

McGeady is only 23? ffs players back in the day were established by that age. Have you seen McGeady play? he hasn't improved any in the last few years, he can't cross a ball ffs. I hope I'm wrong about McCarthy but I think he is over-hyped like McGeady was.
you obviously havnt been watching him recently so...

[tetsujin1979]

McGeady is only 23? ffs players back in the day were established by that age. Have you seen McGeady play? he hasn't improved any in the last few years, he can't cross a ball ffs. I hope I'm wrong about McCarthy but I think he is over-hyped like McGeady was.
McGeady crossed today for McDonald's goal

[geysir]

As has been said I can't see the 26 prediction making sense. If he is going to be great then it is more likely to be by 21 than by 26 (thiough clearly he may well improve as 26 is the optimum age for most players/positions).

We are depending on one posters (distant?) recollection of what Eirebhoy wrote.
But as you admit, probably most midfielders are at their peak aged 26.
It may well have been one of Eirebhoy's more obvious comments about a
young talent and not a Nostradamus like prophesy.

[yapster]

McGeady crossed today for McDonald's goal


Pity he can't do it for Ireland

[tetsujin1979]

Pity he can't do it for Ireland
Assist for Doyle's opener away VS Georgia: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/matchdetails.php?id=449
Assist for Robbie Keane's second at home VS Georgia: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/matchdetails.php?id=454

[yapster]

Assist for Doyle's opener away VS Georgia: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/matchdetails.php?id=449
Assist for Robbie Keane's second at home VS Georgia: http://www.soccerscene.ie/sssenior/matchdetails.php?id=454


Against poxy opposition. He had a poor campaign overall you must agree...

[Strongbow10]

McGeady is only 23? ffs players back in the day were established by that age. Have you seen McGeady play? he hasn't improved any in the last few years, he can't cross a ball ffs. I hope I'm wrong about McCarthy but I think he is over-hyped like McGeady was.


How many times have you seen McCarthy play? back your opinion up with your perceived flaws in his game then.
Because making flippant statements that a talented 19 year old won't make it just makes you look silly otherwise.

Some posters on here are very funny, if our best youngsters are not breaking through like Fabregas did well then they must be doomed to failure.

Have a bit of patience.

[yapster]

How many times have you seen McCarthy play? back your opinion up with your perceived flaws in his game then.
Because making flippant statements that a talented 19 year old won't make it just makes you look silly otherwise.

Some posters on here are very funny, if our best youngsters are not breaking through like Fabregas did well then they must be doomed to failure.

Have a bit of patience.



Why isn't he a regular at a ****e club like Wigan? Yeah he scored a goal but you and others are going a bit over the top about him at this early stage.

[amaccann]

Is it any wonder Soccer has such a high level of burnouts & never-weres, when "fans" write off players before they are even 20. It's borderline disgraceful that youngsters feel that kind of pressure from all sides, it can't be that surprising you have your Stephen Ireland's losing the plot. I would.

[galwayhoop]

Stephen Ireland is a tosser - supporters expectations has nothing to do with his obvious gobsh1tedness...

McCarthy has at least 3 or 4 years (bearing in mind his position) before anyone should call him a failure. That is unless we see him drifting down the divisions (Sean Thornton style). An example might be someone like Darren Fletcher at ManUre, it took him years to establish himself. Whereas strikers and wingers can usually get established in their late teens/ early twenties. It is rare to have an established centre mid (or centre half or GK for that matter) in his late teens (Fabregas being an obvious exception).

i'm not going to trawl through this thread to find eirebhoy's post but i'm assuming he was saying something akin to players in that position (ie middle of midfield) not reaching their potential until their mid twenties - and to me that makes perfect sense.

[Lenny82]

Delighted to see McCarthy get on the score sheet this weekend. I can't think of any other 19 year olds playing regularly centre mid for a Premiership Club so I don't understand this great expectation of McCarthy walking straight in to Wigan's 1st 11.

However, as he has been given very little Premiership game time (1 sub appearance I think), the fact that Wigan are under performing this season could lead to Martinez getting the boot and the next manager giving him more opportunities. Just wishful thinking perhaps but a possibility nonetheless!!

[Scooby Doo]

But i am not looking to fight.
I look forward to when James hits 26 and i can count on him being a great success. It is unfortunate that it is (apparently) so understood we will have to wait but hey, rome wasnt built in a day.

And as for people's post revealing things, thanks for pointing that out Scooby Doo. I always look for people calling themselves Scooby Doo to really know how to use a smiley face good and proper. Yeah he he go shels he he!! In the words of another cartoon character, good grief.
Bit of advice Crosby, stick to just being a cynical, pedantic attention seeker because your attempts at mocking other posters are nothing short of pathetic. To quote Stutts88, 'the mind boggles'.
Your original post was ill thought-out, completely ridiculous and juvenile. Were you trying to be witty/clever or what??? Yes, it did reveal a bit about you. It demonstrated that you have little to contribute to this topic other than (totally unimaginative!) attempts at ridiculing other posters for the sake of it. Concentrate instead on your 'pretty decent job' that you felt the need to broadcast.

P.S: This time I'll forgo the smiley face that you took such offence from. Pity this forum doesn't facilitate little one-fingered gestures though.

[Scooby Doo]

Also delighted for McCarthy. He will likely become an important player for us and fulfill the potential we all hope that he has. For now, getting on the scoresheet of a senior-team cup game isn't a bad start!

[jbyrne]

some encouragement..
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0107/mccarthyj.html

[Razors left peg]

'He showed on Saturday that he is ready. We all know James is going to be a big star in world football,' said the Spaniard


and yet we have people on here saying he is a failure already

[Charlie Darwin]

I'm surprised Martinez rates him at all. Perhaps he has bought into the message board hype that only yapster seems to be immune to.

[SilkCut]

Anyone writing James McCarthy off at 19 does not have a clue what they are talking about. Wigan bought him for the future, he will be a good player, how successful he is is entirely up to him and his attitude, he has so far shown maturity and professionalism beyond his years. He knew an extra year at Hamilton would do him good, Hamilton had a big say in where he went and could have accepted more money from bigger clubs but agreed to Wigan as one of the backroom staff there had worked with him at Hamilton and both the player and club felt that continuity was the best thing for him. All this, for me anyway, shows incredible maturity and preparedness to give it his all. Good stuff from a young hyped up footballer with the world at his feet.

[Crosby87]

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and yet we have people on here saying he is a failure already

Anyone saying that is a Grade A Moron. Even by internet message board standards.

[yapster]

What people are saying is that he is nowhere near the expectations certain posters have him hyped up to be. Of course Martinez will say that to give the kid confidence but it's over the top as no.1 it's way too early to tell and no.2 it puts too much pressure on the lads shoulders. Rooney & M.Owen were lauded as well but they were playing and playing well for top clubs like Liverpool & Everton, Roy Keane was lauded with Forest but he was doing the buisness with Forest week in week out. Lets see what McCarthy can do after a full season playing regularly in the Premiership before proper judgement 'me included' can be made.

[Charlie Darwin]

What people are saying is that he is nowhere near the expectations certain posters have him hyped up to be. Of course Martinez will say that to give the kid confidence but it's over the top as no.1 it's way too early to tell and no.2 it puts too much pressure on the lads shoulders. Rooney & M.Owen were lauded as well but they were playing and playing well for top clubs like Liverpool & Everton, Roy Keane was lauded with Forest but he was doing the buisness with Forest week in week out. Lets see what McCarthy can do after a full season playing regularly in the Premiership before proper judgement 'me included' can be made.
Moyes rotated Rooney in and out of the team until he was so good that he absolutely had to use him. Same with Owen, to an extent.

McCarthy has been in England for 4 months. Give him a chance to develop.

[Razors left peg]

I'm surprised Martinez rates him at all. Perhaps he has bought into the message board hype that only yapster seems to be immune to.

not sure if you are sticking up for yapster there or being sarcastic :D

[Brendan 82]

I don't remember seeing any posts on here claiming that McCarthy would be an instant worldbeater....anyone else? In fact, I think the analysis of this kid has been reasonable and quite cautious throughout.

[as_i_say]

Being ginger as well, its bound to make his development that little bit more difficult.

[third policeman]

Moyes rotated Rooney in and out of the team until he was so good that he absolutely had to use him. Same with Owen, to an extent.

McCarthy has been in England for 4 months. Give him a chance to develop.

Agree, Another case in point might be Jack Rodwell who is hugely rated by Moyes and EFC fans and the England set-up. He is being very carefully groomed and has probably only played as many games as he has due to Everton's injury problems. I think Martinez's assesment of McCarthy is reasonable and encouraging. He is not under any obligation to talk him up or pick him unless he feels that he is actually making the right kind of progress.

[geysir]

Being ginger as well, its bound to make his development that little bit more difficult.

Couple that with the McCarthy name, the likelihood that he has some rebel blood.

[Ozymandias]

not sure if you are sticking up for yapster there or being sarcastic :D

i am sure .....pm me and I will tell ya

[donalmcdonagh]

I have to agree that mnay of the postrs on here are ridiculus. I dont think we should even consider a verdict on him for at least the end of the season. He is just settling in now.
I think Martinez has done very well to ease him in to it so far. As he says himself, McCarthy is raring to go but Martinez is being very patient. I think its great. McCarthy should be just getting encouragement at the moment. Its farcical to be questioning his talent right now. Some one mentioned on another thread that postings (i.e expectations) are getting silly and I agree, its boring to be honest to hear constant criticism and negativity. Fair play to those who can give a good opinion without.
Finnally, comapre McCarthy to say Anderson at ManU, he is young, cost a lot more than McCarthy but hasnt hit it off yet, and it is only really now that criticism is starting to fall on him, and personally I think its a bit premature.
Expectations of FANS are silly in a lot of cases!!!!!

[Razors left peg]

Was just watchin the Patrick Vieria press conference at Man City there and couldnt help but be reminded of when he signed for Arsenal. He had come from AC Milan where he didnt exactly make the grade. The same for Henry when he went to Juventus... Im sure they and the Arsenal fans are glad that Wenger wasnt so quick to write off young players as others are

[paul_oshea]

i heard that he is getting 150k a week?! wtf, he is 33, the lad would have come for half that. what are they at at city?

is it just to show off that they can do it and then entice bigger players?!

[Razors left peg]

i heard that he is getting 150k a week?! wtf, he is 33, the lad would have come for half that. what are they at at city?

is it just to show off that they can do it and then entice bigger players?!

yeah its madness, I cant understand that sort of wages when he was looking to sign to get first team football in the run up to the world cup

[gilberto_eire]

i heard that he is getting 150k a week?! wtf, he is 33, the lad would have come for half that. what are they at at city?

is it just to show off that they can do it and then entice bigger players?!

Ya crazy money going around there, the clubs have a collective responsibility to keep it in check, i really don't think a player should get more then €1k a week.

Obviously they weren't getting anything near that figure but i nearly shed a tear for the poor lads at Pompey who went about 3 weeks without wages, the poor lads, whatever would they do :rolleyes:

[tetsujin1979]

It's more than that gilberto, according to an anonymous player not only did the first team not get paid (I agree, boo-hoo), the reserves didn't get paid, the youth team didn't get paid, the staff didn't get paid.
A lot harder for all of them to get through the holidays without their wages

[gilberto_eire]

It's more than that gilberto, according to an anonymous player not only did the first team not get paid (I agree, boo-hoo), the reserves didn't get paid, the youth team didn't get paid, the staff didn't get paid.
A lot harder for all of them to get through the holidays without their wages

Ah fair enough didn't really consider the other teams in the clubs, just didn't like the way they were putting it across on the sports news, they're hardly stuck for it.

[Colbert Report]

Does anyone know of a website that lists the player's salaries in the EPL? Is this information publc knowledge? Thanks.

[EastTerracer]

Does anyone know of a website that lists the player's salaries in the EPL? Is this information publc knowledge? Thanks.

The information is not publicly available as there are rights to privacy under UK employment law. As there are no salary restrictions on Premier League clubs they have no requirement to disclose the information except where they are publicly quoted companies in which case they will only reveal an aggregate compensation number but there is no way of breaking it down to individual players.

Generally, the numbers we read in the newspapers are estimates (or leaked numbers) but in most cases they are probably accurate (e.g. Vieira getting GBP 150k a week). There are a few unofficial lists which are usually good for a laugh.....
http://www.epltransferrumors.com/highest-paid-footballers/

[geysir]

But, as Ruud Gullit might interject ...... gross or net?

[Wangball]

i heard that he is getting 150k a week?! wtf, he is 33, the lad would have come for half that. what are they at at city?

is it just to show off that they can do it and then entice bigger players?!

I was watching Goals on Sunday today and Tony Adams was saying that we was in Milan over Christmas and he was with Viera and as far as Viera was concerned he was ready to pack it in or move to the MLS! His eyes must of popped out of his head when he saw the money he was being offered

Back on topic, I'm not sure if anyone else has posted this yet but -

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5851818,00.html
Very encouraging stuff

[Charlie Darwin]

i heard that he is getting 150k a week?! wtf, he is 33, the lad would have come for half that. what are they at at city?

is it just to show off that they can do it and then entice bigger players?!
Do you mean 150k a year? Even Frank Lampard doesn't make 150k a week.

[Colbert Report]

Do you mean 150k a year? Even Frank Lampard doesn't make 150k a week.

Uh, yeah he does.

[Colbert Report]

Do you mean 150k a year? Even Frank Lampard doesn't make 150k a week.

1. Zlatan Ibrahimovic Internazionale 750,000 per month
2. Ricardo Kaka AC Milan 750,000
3. Lionel Messi FC Barcelona 700,000
4. John Terry Chelsea 631,182
5. Frank Lampard Chelsea 631,182

[paul_oshea]

Jees Messi makes more than i do in a year in one month.

[Acornvilla]

Jees Messi makes more than i do in a year in one month.
they all make more in a day than i have to date in my entire life :) feck these part time jobs and their lousy pay

[Charlie Darwin]

1. Zlatan Ibrahimovic Internazionale 750,000 per month
2. Ricardo Kaka AC Milan 750,000
3. Lionel Messi FC Barcelona 700,000
4. John Terry Chelsea 631,182
5. Frank Lampard Chelsea 631,182
OK, he makes a little more. I'd be willing to wager James McCarthy is a little lower on the food chain.

[geysir]

Obviously Paul, your worth to your employer does not depend on the quality of your sentence construction.

[paul_oshea]

i left out a comma on purpose, but im sure you understood the point ;)

[stiffler]

Starts today V Wolves.

Doyle, Foley and Ward all playing for Wolves.

[Carrigaline]

McCarthy given his first start of the season today.