James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

[tetsujin1979]

Article on bleacher report about McCarthy, probably the most even handed one I've read: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/66962-sfa-v-fai-the-james-mccarthy-war

[eirebhoy]

There was an article in yesterday's Scottish Sun about McCarthy headlined "Stupid Boy". A couple of extracts from a poster on another forum:


He starts by saying that at Hampden this afternoon he would normally be 100% focused on "our beloved Scotland Football team" but instead "ten per cent of my head will be elsewhere, preoccupied with the disbelief, hurt and anger that's been caused by one daft wee lad".

Ross criticises the SFA, Billy Reid, Archie Knox, Billy Stark and Alex Ferguson for not doing more to turn him towards the Scottish team. "Instead", he goes on, "his only advice came from fellow turncoat Aiden McGeady, who, through no desire to have the heat taken off him, I'm sure - encouraged the move. Hell mend them both, because the fact is playing careers are very short. Once that is over, and assuming he doesn't go to live in Ireland (these football converts never do) he will be a stranger in his own land. His world has just shrunk. And not just in terms of the millions of Scotland fans who will no longer smile in his direction. Commercially he's a bad lot".

Ross ends by saying that McCarthy is lucky he's not English as they would have "run him out of town".

[Razors left peg]

There was an article in yesterday's Scottish Sun about McCarthy headlined "Stupid Boy". A couple of extracts from a poster on another forum:

Glad to see they're not bitter about it anyway!!

[boovidge]

Why have the Scots started to get bitter over this now? McCarthy made his decision ages ago and it was clear he wasnt going to change his mind. I can understand the Scots being dissapointed but they really are embarassing themselves again with their pathetic tabloid style rantings.


Also if he was English no-one would have batted an eyelid because he would just be another promising player to them plus there are no religious/sectarian tensions there. I dont see JJ O'Toole getting called a "country bumpkin" by the Sun.

[Paddy Garcia]

Yeah & I don't see Houghton or Coyle losing much sleep either.

Then again things could be worse for Scotland, they could have some players refusing to turn up. And I don't mean even to play for a better team.

[Adrianovic]

That 'country bumpkin' article is even further from the mark than a Chris Iwelumo shot.

**** 'em, he wants to play for us and no amount of media harraunging is going to change that.

I dread to think of the outcry all across Europe when Selcuk Tidim starts knocking in the goals for our seniors.

[eirebhoy]

There was an article in yesterday's Scottish Sun about McCarthy headlined "Stupid Boy". A couple of extracts from a poster on another forum:
Article in question:
http://i36.tinypic.com/2igg54z.jpg

[jmurphyc]

Wow, that article is amazing. The absolute filth that has been thrown at McCarthy. He should play for Scotland because Scottish taxes pay for his healthcare. What a joke. He didn't seem to choose Ireland for a better life, he obviously did it because that's what his heart wanted. His decision should be respected.

[Razors left peg]

Its an absolutely disgraceful article but I wonder would we react much different if it was an Irish player declaring for someone else... The reaction to Steven Ireland(myself included) suggests we would react in a similar way

[eirebhoy]

Its an absolutely disgraceful article but I wonder would we react much different if it was an Irish player declaring for someone else... The reaction to Steven Ireland(myself included) suggests we would react in a similar way
Barry Maguire: (http://touchline.onthespot.co.uk/guardian/StatsCentre.asp?Lang=0&CTID=14&CPID=15&pStr=Player&PLID=200939&TEID=557)
"It's an honour to play for your country, whether it's your father's country or your mother's country.

Right now I'm only playing for Holland because they have asked me so if Ireland asked me to play for them then maybe I could play for them.

"I would have to make a choice but it would be real honour to play for Ireland."

His father explaining that he played for Ireland U15s:
"I think there were 15 players from Ireland, who were living in Ireland and who they could watch every week, but they gave him 15 minutes and said 'you'll hear from us', but we never heard anything else from them until he was called up for Holland.

Somebody rang him up from the FAI to ask him if he was interested in playing for Ireland and he said he was, but then he never heard anything from them again.

Then we saw a piece in the paper one day saying 'Irish coach disappointed in Maguire choosing for Holland' and I thought, Barry was talking to them and told them he'd play if they called him up, but they never did.

I was under the opinion that once the FAI had discovered Barry, and they knew about him they'd keep an eye on him, but I just don't think they work like that.

It's his choice and it will be interesting to see in a couple of years if they both call him up.

"But at the moment his mind is being made up for him because he hasn't heard anything from Ireland in so long."


This case is different because he's Dutch born but never in a million years would I feel an anger towards him.

[jmurphyc]

The Ireland scenario is different though. The case has been made before: if, say, a Polish person was brought up his whole life I would have absolutely no problem if he chose them over us. It's the individual's choice and that choice should be respected. I wouldn't like being told I should play for one country over another by someone who didn't even know me.

[irishultra]

if stephen kelly had chosen libya there would be no harsh feelings on my part, same with eamonn zayed.

[Razors left peg]

if stephen kelly had chosen libya there would be no harsh feelings on my part, same with eamonn zayed.

What if Robbie Keane had english roots and had declared for them???

[irishultra]

any player. i can understand this feeling that james mccarthy has, i have Ukrainian roots, came to ireland in the late 50's, and even though I haven't been submersed in the culture or anything i would still feel some sort of bond, i can just imagine the impact of a grandfather telling his grandson about his homeland would have.

[third policeman]

I think the McCarthy case is complicated by the sectarian issue. If a Scots born player elected to play for Italy or Bolivia I dont think there would be anything like the same level of hostility and passion. But there again what would people here do if there was a United Irish team and an NI born player chose to play for England or Scotland?

[kingdomkerry]

I think the McCarthy case is complicated by the sectarian issue. If a Scots born player elected to play for Italy or Bolivia I dont think there would be anything like the same level of hostility and passion. But there again what would people here do if there was a United Irish team and an NI born player chose to play for England or Scotland?

Would'nt bother me. Its an individuals choice.

[eirebhoy]

Article in question:
http://i36.tinypic.com/2igg54z.jpg
Response:
http://i36.tinypic.com/rifdxk.jpg

[seanfhear]

What a stupid older boy Ally Ross is.I assume mr Ross has had some education even to achieve the status of tabloid journalist.It goes to show a supposedly educated man can still be a moron.

Scotland would be much better asking why as a society these two young footballers did not identify with the scottish nation if one exists(i believe that it does)
It is so much easier to lash out that to have a look at ones own short comings and to rectify them

[third policeman]

The reference to "Scottish politeness" and how English fans might have reacted to a similar situation is particularly bizzare. As far as I can recollect Aldridge, Larwenson, Townend et al were never subjected to any fan or media abuse and niether were the numerous English-born Scottish internationals like Bob Wilson, Bruce Rioch, David Speedie. Presumambly Ross regared these as shameful turncoast who should never have been allowed to don the blueshirt.

[eirebhoy]

Loud boos for McCarthy today from the Rangers fans every time he gets the ball.

[Torn-Ado]

Response:
http://i36.tinypic.com/2igg54z.jpg

AHAHAHAHA. The hurt is tangible.

[eirebhoy]

Apparently the Rangers fans changed the words of the famine song to sing:
Why don't you go home,
why don't you go ho-o-ome,
James McCarthy, why don't you home.

They wouldn't be booing him if he chose any other country but Ireland yet they say they're not anti-Irish.

[livehead1]

Apparently the Rangers fans changed the words of the famine song to sing:
Why don't you go home,
why don't you go ho-o-ome,
James McCarthy, why don't you home.

They wouldn't be booing him if he chose any other country but Ireland yet they say they're not anti-Irish.

Hopefully that kind of behaviour will be just another reason not to play for Scotland! I doubt there is any country quite as bigoted, they're around 15-20 years behind most of the Western world!

[tommy_c12000]

Anyone see the game? Howd he play?

[Delbertt]

Apparently the Rangers fans changed the words of the famine song to sing:
Why don't you go home,
why don't you go ho-o-ome,
James McCarthy, why don't you home.

They wouldn't be booing him if he chose any other country but Ireland yet they say they're not anti-Irish.

Is that the same fans that sing GSTQ at Rangers games, yet boo the same anthem when they support scotland:confused:

[boovidge]

a significant section don't boo GSTQ and a small minority of Rangers fans support England.

[TheBoss]

What is the problem here, It is up to him to play for who he wants, why fans boo, I do not know, You do not see any Irish boo any Irish players that played for other nations. :D

[tommy_c12000]

What is the problem here, It is up to him to play for who he wants, why fans boo, I do not know, You do not see any Irish boo any Irish players that played for other nations. :D

Kieran Bracken (English scrum half) got booed off the pitch at Lansdowne Road because he had played schoolboy rugby for Ireland. Different codes I know but it was still Irish fans at Lansdowne Road. And how many times have we heard Rangers players being roundly booed at Irish international soccer games at Landowne Road??!! Several times from my recollection

[TheBoss]

I find that disgraceful when the fans do that, I always feel ashamed, cause Celtic and Rangers are British clubs and nothing to do with Ireland in my opinion despite the creation, just because they setup by an Irish priest, does not make them Irish.

[Razors left peg]

I find that disgraceful when the fans do that, I always feel ashamed, cause Celtic and Rangers are British clubs and nothing to do with Ireland in my opinion despite the creation, just because they setup by an Irish priest, does not make them Irish.

does that fact that there are more tricolours on display every week at Celtic than there ever is at Irish home games not make them a bit Irish....

[gspain]

does that fact that there are more tricolours on display every week at Celtic than there ever is at Irish home games not make them a bit Irish....

Absolutely as does the tricolours at Everton and Sunderland yesterday.

The fact that they are based in Britain, play in a British league and pay their taxes to a British queen means nothing.

I beleive some Celtic supporters coming back to Dublin from Manchester during the week were very upset at the number of Irish Man Utd fans their and laughing at the pathetic opposition. Well guys if they are going to support a British team they may as well support a good one.

[eirebhoy]

I beleive some Celtic supporters coming back to Dublin from Manchester during the week were very upset at the number of Irish Man Utd fans their and laughing at the pathetic opposition. Well guys if they are going to support a British team they may as well support a good one.
Believe what you want. I've yet to meet a Celtic fan that thinks Irish people should be obliged to support Celtic. It's ridiculous. I'm sure that's a made up story because when you support Celtic in this country it's not long before you realise how few supporters there are and you get used to it.

Anyway, James McCarthy. He was booed yesterday by anti-Irish scum. That's more of a topic.

[geysir]

Absolutely as does the tricolours at Everton and Sunderland yesterday.

The fact that they are based in Britain, play in a British league and pay their taxes to a British queen means nothing.
This thread is about James McCarthy who plays for Hamilton Ac.
The last time the Famine Song was in the news you were of the firm belief that it was just directed at Celtic fans and not the Irish.
I see that you are you not using the same "only banter" argument this time:rolleyes:

[seanfhear]

I find that disgraceful when the fans do that, I always feel ashamed, cause Celtic and Rangers are British clubs and nothing to do with Ireland in my opinion despite the creation, just because they setup by an Irish priest, does not make them Irish.Many of celtic supporters are either Irish immigrants ,children or grand children of Irish immigrants.Celtic football club became very important to these people in a country that they were often given a hard time as unappreciated immigrants.Most of these immigrants were pre-celtic tiger days.Has anyone seen or heard from that tiger recently!

[tetsujin1979]

Donegal TD Joe McHugh has requested a reaction from the Scottish First Minister to the abuse handed out to Jamie McCarthy, according to this article from today's tribune: http://i36.tinypic.com/30sx2lg.jpg

[geysir]

Article from a freelance journalist (Irish Post etc) about his interest in James and the times we live in.
Show hypocrisy the red card. (http://www.philmacgiollabhain.com/?p=79)

[gspain]

This thread is about James McCarthy who plays for Hamilton Ac.
The last time the Famine Song was in the news you were of the firm belief that it was just directed at Celtic fans and not the Irish.
I see that you are you not using the same "only banter" argument this time:rolleyes:

Perhaps you can remind where I claimed that.

My point on the famine song was that it involved fans of one British club slagging off another British club and should not involve another government (eg ours).

Of course I don't like to see opposition fans boo a young Irish player. I'd love to see him get a transfer to a bigger club in a much bigger league.

[livehead1]

Article from a freelance journalist (Irish Post etc) about his interest in James and the times we live in.
Show hypocrisy the red card. (http://www.philmacgiollabhain.com/?p=79)

Brilliant article; best I've read in a long time

[geysir]

Perhaps you can remind where I claimed that.

My point on the famine song was that it involved fans of one British club slagging off another British club and should not involve another government (eg ours).

Of course I don't like to see opposition fans boo a young Irish player. I'd love to see him get a transfer to a bigger club in a much bigger league.

Yes, you argued that it was one set of fans slagging another which equates to "banter" however ugly.
You argued that the Famine song was just directed at Celtic.
Even as others vainly tried to point out to you, that it was not just Celtic, it was anti Irish.
Looks like the evidence is starting to pile up though :rolleyes:


post 52 (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=1023523&postcount=52)

Fans of 2 British football teams sing offensive songs about each other. One makes a derogatory reference to an event which happened here and suddenly our government is involves which associates our country with one of the teams.

post 82 (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=1024002&postcount=82)

The song is meant to be offensive to Celtic fans.
or "they" does not equal "Catholic" or even "Ireland" it equals "Celtic"

[shakermaker1982]

lads nothing will happen to Rangers over this. Nobody has the balls to do anything. Can you imagine if they were singing an anti black or anti jew song?

Let us not forget that their fans smashed up Manchester last May (costing the local council vast sums of money in a clean up operation) and got off lightly. "Those lads in the blue rangers shirts weren't our fans" they shouted or "it was only a small minority". The same will apply here.

[Bottle of Tonic]

Well it's gathering a bit more pace over here. Todays Times review of the Hamilton Rangers game was mainly a denouncement of the visiting fans merciless abuse of McCarthy and the contrast with the Kris Boyd situation with Scotland. At least that paper with the likes of Graham Speirs on board isn't afraid to put the boot in when required, as opposed their counterparts at the scottish dailies who ignore the neanderthal abuse pouring from the stands.
SFA also getting involved now, but knowing them any action taken will have to include some sort of 'equaliser' or cop out.

[gspain]

Yes, you argued that it was one set of fans slagging another which equates to "banter" however ugly.
You argued that the Famine song was just directed at Celtic.
Even as others vainly tried to point out to you, that it was not just Celtic, it was anti Irish.
Looks like the evidence is starting to pile up though :rolleyes:


post 52 (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=1023523&postcount=52)


post 82 (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=1024002&postcount=82)


no it doesn't and you will know it. You've been caught out now please withdraw your comments.

[Razors left peg]

Article from a freelance journalist (Irish Post etc) about his interest in James and the times we live in.
Show hypocrisy the red card. (http://www.philmacgiollabhain.com/?p=79)

Excellent article

[co. down green]

Well it's gathering a bit more pace over here. Todays Times review of the Hamilton Rangers game was mainly a denouncement of the visiting fans merciless abuse of McCarthy and the contrast with the Kris Boyd situation with Scotland. At least that paper with the likes of Graham Speirs on board isn't afraid to put the boot in when required, as opposed their counterparts at the scottish dailies who ignore the neanderthal abuse pouring from the stands.
SFA also getting involved now, but knowing them any action taken will have to include some sort of 'equaliser' or cop out.

Today's Times article here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article5019831.ece)

The teenage Glaswegian also had to put up with graphic visual demonstrations from the Rangers fans occupying two stands about what they thought of him, while his name was added to The Famine Song. No doubt some players view that sort of “stick” as proof that they are doing a good job if the opposition fans are wound up, but most Rangers fans would not recognise McCarthy in the street and some even mistook him for James McArthur, his midfield colleague, because they booed the Scotland Under21 player when his name was read out.

[geysir]

no it doesn't and you will know it. You've been caught out now please withdraw your comments.
:D
Not at all, my comments stand strong.

[SwanVsDalton]

Today's Times article here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article5019831.ece)

The teenage Glaswegian also had to put up with graphic visual demonstrations from the Rangers fans occupying two stands about what they thought of him, while his name was added to The Famine Song. No doubt some players view that sort of “stick” as proof that they are doing a good job if the opposition fans are wound up, but most Rangers fans would not recognise McCarthy in the street and some even mistook him for James McArthur, his midfield colleague, because they booed the Scotland Under21 player when his name was read out.

Reminds me when we played Denmark in a friendly a few years back at Lansdowne. Stadium announcer named a Danish substitute as Peter Lovenkrands and he was booed out of the stadium - even though it was someone completely different. Poor bloke looked very confused.

Anyway it's idiotic where ever it happens, for whatever reason.

[Junior]

AHAHAHAHA. The hurt is tangible.

There was a very similar article about Mcarthy & Mcgeady in The Daily Record a little whileback typical Redtop trash as in the Sun article you posted. This stuff just helps fan the flames of the scum who spend their time booing them........

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/comment/columnists/lifestyle-columnists/john-mckie/2008/09/27/james-mccarthy-is-a-country-bumpkin-86908-20755330/

"James McCarthy is a country bumpkin"

"McCarthy and McGeady have made the biggest mistake of their football lives, and they'll have to live with it. It's like becoming a Goth at 17 and not being able to remove the eyeliner and Sisters Of Mercy T-shirt when you're 47.

Celtic's Irish fans say that "Scots-born Irishmen" should be allowed to make their own decisions. Only one problem.

McGeady and McCarthy are Scots-born Scots."

[Deckydee]

Taken from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/scotland/article5019831.ece

At least McCarthy, whose touch and energy underlined why Giovanni Trapattoni is likely to give him his full debut for Ireland this month, has stuck with the country that first offered him the chance to play international football and capped him at four age levels.

Will he get his debut against Poland?

[geysir]

Trap is recently quoted as saying he will give consideration to capping McCarthy at senior level.
"I think we will have a possibility to look at him," he added, with clear reference to the Poland game. "I think we will choose him, and I am always positive."

[jbyrne]

Kieran Bracken (English scrum half) got booed off the pitch at Lansdowne Road because he had played schoolboy rugby for Ireland.

havnt missed a home game since '85 but i obviously missed this. complete rubbish