James McCarthy M free agent b.1990 [Archive] - Page 46

Predator

13/02/2011, 1:25 PM

Reading between the lines........."I don't want James to be playing any international football this season - we're in a fight to avoid relegation!"I got this impression from Martinez's comments on the matter too. So, by keeping his international future "undecided", Wigan benefit from having one of their best players fit and available and the media can create mass-hysteria in order to shift a few more papers. Maybe that's a bit far-fetched...

CraftyToePoke

13/02/2011, 1:42 PM

"Who are you?" is something I can imagine Brian Clough saying to his own players, while knowing full well who he is.

Trap isn't one of the most successful managers in the history of football for nothing, you know.

This was not a Brian Clough quip.

IsMiseSean

13/02/2011, 1:46 PM

Martinez is really beginning to p*** me off.... My dislike for Wigan is increasing!!

OwlsFan

13/02/2011, 4:19 PM

. For 1.7 million a year, going to Wigan to tell McCarthy he thinks the sun shines out of his ar*e should be the least he's expected to do.

I think you're missing the point here. McCarthy either wants to play for Ireland (for whom he has declared) or he can feck off. This cap in hand "please play for us" routine doesn't wash with me. He was selected (eventually) for the game against Wales and he turned that down, probably at the behest of his manager. I think a player should be approached and if he says "no, I am not Irish, I don't want to play for you" then that should be that. To hell with telling a player that "sun shines out of his ar*e" in order to declare for us.

TrapAPony

13/02/2011, 4:31 PM

Sullivinho

13/02/2011, 4:51 PM

LFCSixty/Eighty

13/02/2011, 5:06 PM

I think you're missing the point here. McCarthy either wants to play for Ireland (for whom he has declared) or he can feck off. This cap in hand "please play for us" routine doesn't wash with me. He was selected (eventually) for the game against Wales and he turned that down, probably at the behest of his manager. I think a player should be approached and if he says "no, I am not Irish, I don't want to play for you" then that should be that. To hell with telling a player that "sun shines out of his ar*e" in order to declare for us.

I think your missing the point. This is not just any kid that has decided to declare for us on the back of finding out he has an irish red setter. He has made one of the most controversial high profile decisions and recieved some of the most vile sectarian abuse in doing so. For it to have become an issue now means somewhere, somehow there has been a breakdown in communication and the only person that can carry the can for that is Trap. What I'm saying is that someone needs to get him back on board or at least get to the bottom of why his manager is making all these strange comments to see if there is any truth in them.

The telling him the 'sun shines out of his a*se' comment comes from a man management perspective. Everyone likes to feel that they are in the plans of a manager and the way Trap is behaving I get the feeling McCarthy is wondering does he fit into Traps. Why wouldnt he when he's already been dropped for not being commited enough. McCarthy must be wondering to himself how anyone can accuse him of this, when he was practically driven out of Scottish football for declaring for us in the first place! You have to wonder if Trap is even aware of this.

Just like Martinez says in every statement he makes what a fantastic player and person he is, we need to let it be made clear to him that he wanted just as much by us. Is that such a bad idea if it means we get over this impasse?

LFCSixty/Eighty

13/02/2011, 5:08 PM

Willie or won't he..

Nice one :)

sixesandsevens

13/02/2011, 5:10 PM

It would be a major disappointment that he's reconsidering his international allegiance. TBH any other Irish manager in the past 20 years would have had McCarthy as a first team regular already. But Trap is too conservative in the midfield

SwanVsDalton

13/02/2011, 5:12 PM

What I'm saying is that someone needs to get him back on board or at least get to the bottom of why his manager is making all these strange comments to see if there is any truth in them.

He is on board. He's said that 60 billion times.

Just like Martinez says in every statement he makes what a fantastic player and person he is, we need to let it be made clear to him that he wanted just as much by us. Is that such a bad idea if it means we get over this impasse?

What impasse? He's said there isn't one 60 billion times.

Stuttgart88

13/02/2011, 5:12 PM

Have to say i've been impressed by Richie Sadliers in the articles he writes and lately anytime i've seen him on TV. I've always thought that Sadlier is trying to pitch himself as being the heir to Dunphy. Much more mileage in being a Cassandra who may get it right and being able to say I told you so, than in being positive.

The whole Keane thing he refers to is daft. Walking away when not wanted is not the same as walking out if dropped.

Fixer82

13/02/2011, 5:13 PM

James McCarthy's father Willie McCarthy says he still wants to play for us. It is obvious to me that Martinez is the one spewing rubbish.

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/james-mccarthy-still-wants-to-play-for-ireland-says-father-2011-02/

I know he's a different kettle of fish but I do remember StepheN Ireland's Da insisting he wanted to come back into the fold a couple of years ago

sixesandsevens

13/02/2011, 5:21 PM

I'll breath a sigh of relief when I see him in a green shirt during a competitive match. Not a second sooner

Drumcondra 69er

13/02/2011, 5:45 PM

I've always thought that Sadlier is trying to pitch himself as being the heir to Dunphy. Much more mileage in being a Cassandra who may get it right and being able to say I told you so, than in being positive.

The whole Keane thing he refers to is daft. Walking away when not wanted is not the same as walking out if dropped.

Agree, comes across as a total mouth in his column. Was all mouth and no trousers when he was involved with Pat's as well......

Eirambler

13/02/2011, 5:54 PM

I think a few on here have copped onto what is going on at this stage.

Martinez doesn't want McCarthy playing international football this season. He thinks that by announcing that McCarthy will make a decision in the summer he is onto a winner as the whole thing might die down until then and McCarthy will be exclusively available to Wigan until the end of the season.

What he doesn't realise is that what he is actually doing is unsettling his player and putting more pressure on McCarthy, himself and the club.

This will intensify if Trap calls him up next month (which I think he will) and Wigan convince him to pull out (which I think they'll try to). The whole thing will just go around in circles for the rest of the season which will negatively impact everyone involved.

Stupid, short term, view from Martinez, but there you go.

McCarthy and/or his agent need to tell him to go and jump. If McCarthy is with the Irish squad next month, even if he doesn't play, that will be enough to put the matter to bed until June at least.

paul_oshea

13/02/2011, 6:06 PM

Thats exactly it Eirambler.

Paddy Garcia

13/02/2011, 6:48 PM

I think you're missing the point here. McCarthy either wants to play for Ireland (for whom he has declared) or he can feck off. This cap in hand "please play for us" routine doesn't wash with me. He was selected (eventually) for the game against Wales and he turned that down, probably at the behest of his manager. I think a player should be approached and if he says "no, I am not Irish, I don't want to play for you" then that should be that. To hell with telling a player that "sun shines out of his ar*e" in order to declare for us.

I ususally find myself agreeing with your posts - not this one.

Personally I'm very grateful that James picked Ireland in the full knowledge of the dogs abuse he was about to receive at just about every ground in the country - in the wake of Mcgeady's experience. He was not playng in cosy England and such a decision came with no little personal cost.

Should we tell him the sun shines out of his ares - No
Should we welcome him: Yes
Should we ignore him if he is the best Irish midfielder available: No
Should we be proud of his induction into senior Irish football: No

Frankly he is 10x the other CMs we have. He had invested a huge amount in playng for us & I for one am both grateful and look forward to giving him a huge cheer when he starts & I desperately hope that its against Macedonia - otherwise its probably another finals missed!

CraftyToePoke

13/02/2011, 7:50 PM

Maroon 7

13/02/2011, 7:54 PM

From what we can make out McCarthy's agent/advisor and father has said he's committed to Ireland.

However Martinez keeps stirring the pot by saying that he has yet to make a decision. If Martinez is trying to shield James from adverse publicity he sure has a funny was of doing it. He's only adding to it. He would probably be advised to just keep his mouth shut. The only motivation I can see for Martinez making these comments is that he doesn't want McCarthy playing for anyone except Wigan for the remainder of this season at least.

gilberto_eire

13/02/2011, 8:41 PM

Players dont need International football these days, financially or otherwise, and their employers dont really want them playing it. Wigan and Martinez clearly couldnt care who he plays for, neither if possible.

They don't need it but they still have the option. If they want to play there is nothing stopping them.

I remember 2/3 years ago when Makalele tried to retire from the French team and was called up, it was said he would receive a domestic ban if he didn't show.

Drumcondra 69er

13/02/2011, 9:00 PM

I think there is a middle ground between kissing the guys arse to get him to play for us and being as casual as Trap seems to be toward his players, a little bit of respect lacking and he is reaping the mounting rewards of that. It is a generational thing. Players dont need International football these days, financially or otherwise, and their employers dont really want them playing it. Wigan and Martinez clearly couldnt care who he plays for, neither if possible.

In these circumstances, Traps methods have made this mess. It keeps getting back to that.

While Trap's methods leave a bit to be desired in just how old school they are I firmly believe that, if McCarthy is as committed as his advisor and his Dad are saying, it's Martinez playing silly buggers to a huge degree that has made this mess. Something was obviously said last Sunday about McCarthy being undecided, considering what MArtinez has now twice said since I don't think Trap was making it up off the top of his head.....

Sullivinho

13/02/2011, 9:14 PM

Something was obviously said last Sunday about McCarthy being undecided, considering what MArtinez has now twice said since I don't think Trap was making it up off the top of his head.....

I wonder if it was during his conversation with Martinez that Trap first became aware of this 'undecided' angle which he later paraphrased. ("He likes Ireland, He likes Scotland") That would make Martinez the original source of this controversy. As you said, any noise coming from everyone else close to James indicates nothing has changed. In related (non)news, the lad is on Twitter a couple of days and introduces himself as an Ireland U-21 international.

musicinmouth

13/02/2011, 9:30 PM

What is his twitter id?

Charlie Darwin

13/02/2011, 9:35 PM

Awful grammar.

http://twitter.com/#!/JamesMcCarthy4

boovidge

13/02/2011, 9:49 PM

Who would bother to make a fake Twitter account for a footballer?

The Fly

13/02/2011, 10:38 PM

Who would bother to make a fake Twitter account for a footballer?

...Paul Hyland?

CraftyToePoke

14/02/2011, 12:01 AM

While Trap's methods leave a bit to be desired in just how old school they are I firmly believe that, if McCarthy is as committed as his advisor and his Dad are saying, it's Martinez playing silly buggers to a huge degree that has made this mess. Something was obviously said last Sunday about McCarthy being undecided, considering what MArtinez has now twice said since I don't think Trap was making it up off the top of his head.....

A good point, well made, it is plausible the whole thing originated from Martinez, and he is a very naughty boy if there's nothing in it. But still, a clear functioning healthy line of comunication between Trap and his player, a key young player for the nation he is payed well to manage nips this sorry mess in the bud days ago, and Trap doesnt have this, that much is clear. Why would Trap trust the word of a guy with a possible agenda against McCarthy playing for Ireland as he needs him fit to keep Wigan up.

Hard to know what to think here, but if I was McCarthy looking at Whelan, Green and Co while being bypassed, it would not sit well. I think thats understandable enough.

Charlie Darwin

14/02/2011, 12:35 AM

The Fly

14/02/2011, 3:27 AM

KK77

14/02/2011, 8:53 AM

Did anybody see John Giles' analysis of McCarthy's performance on Premier Soccer Saturday? Basically said he's young, doesn't work hard enough for Trap's system and the team would need to be built around him with two holding players taking all the defensive responsibility from him. Also said he doesn't look to get on the ball enough.

Yeah saw this myself and have to say didn't see anything wrong with what he said. He pointed out his good points in the game and his bad points. In fairness what he said Trap wouldn't like is hard to disagree with based on how Trap sets the team up to play.

dr_peepee

14/02/2011, 8:54 AM

I dunno... McCarthy has already shown how headstrong he is by declaring for us in the first place in the face of such pressure and hostillity. I suspect he's no fear in standing his ground against Trapp. The fact that the "Tired" thing came up again. That was a jab. Something was said last time. I think he'll play for us, just not under Trapp.

Trapp has this no nonsense, I say it as I see it, like it or lump it, my way or no way attitude... Where is he??The Big Brother House?? Nah. Some level of diplomacy is required when you're managing a team with limited playing resources. At this stage of his career he should be well able for loaded questions from the media too. He simply has no regard for what he says.

OwlsFan

14/02/2011, 9:37 AM

Also said he doesn't look to get on the ball enough.

I think he says that about every midfielder apart from Scholes :) Hard to judge a player on one game, especially away at Anfield.

DeLorean

14/02/2011, 11:39 AM

I think he says that about every midfielder apart from Scholes :) Hard to judge a player on one game, especially away at Anfield.

It was a good piece of analysis in fairness, but I think most people realised he's not the finished article yet.

KK77

14/02/2011, 1:10 PM

Sunday Times Paul Rowan asked Willie McCarthy, father of the player, if there was any personal issue with Trap.
“That is rubbish,” he said. “Hopefully, Mr Trapattoni will pick James for Macedonia and he will play.
“I don’t understand where all this is coming from. James has made his mind up and he is not going to change it.”

Closed Account

14/02/2011, 1:35 PM

"I don�t understand where all this is coming from. James has made his mind up and he is not going to change it.�
Nobody does Willie, nobody does....

dr_peepee

14/02/2011, 1:42 PM

WHAT?? How can people not understand where it's coming from? It's ill advised comments from both managers is where it's coming from...

tetsujin1979

14/02/2011, 2:26 PM

WHAT?? How can people not understand where it's coming from? It's ill advised comments from both managers is where it's coming from...
so why is nobody seizing on the comments by the player's representative, and now his father and publicising them?
It's just recycled comments from the managers (Trapattoni, Martinez and, to a lesser extent, Levein) over and over

AlaskaFox

14/02/2011, 3:22 PM

so why is nobody seizing on the comments by the player's representative, and now his father and publicising them?

But that doesn't sell newspapers.

tetsujin1979

14/02/2011, 4:15 PM

But that doesn't sell newspapers.
or advance agendas, for that matter

dr_peepee

14/02/2011, 4:50 PM

so why is nobody seizing on the comments by the player's representative, and now his father and publicising them?
It's just recycled comments from the managers (Trapattoni, Martinez and, to a lesser extent, Levein) over and over

Dunno Dude!!... I'm only stating that I'm shocked that people are claiming they don't know where it's coming from.

Closed Account

14/02/2011, 5:46 PM

Dunno Dude!!... I'm only stating that I'm shocked that people are claiming they don't know where it's coming from.
There's a difference between knowing where something has come from and understanding where something has come from.

paul_oshea

14/02/2011, 5:50 PM

Dunno Dude!!... I'm only stating that I'm shocked that people are claiming they don't know where it's coming from.

I never knew you grew up in america.

The Fly

14/02/2011, 6:09 PM

There's a difference between knowing where something has come from and understanding where something has come from.

There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns � the ones we don't know we don't know.

paul_oshea

14/02/2011, 6:10 PM

Have you just bought Rumsfelds autobiography?

TrapAPony

14/02/2011, 6:40 PM

Another one :
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/02/14/wigans-james-mccarthy-commits-to-ireland/

CraftyToePoke

14/02/2011, 6:55 PM

Another one :
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/02/14/wigans-james-mccarthy-commits-to-ireland/

That one sort of reads, ''Mr Trap has now promised to stop being a complete so and so, and therefore maybe we can get on with things''

Stuttgart88

14/02/2011, 6:58 PM

Tony O'Donohue commented on Trap's "unfair" handling of the situation, but I can't access the RTE Player file.

Anyone got the jist of what he was saying?

dr_peepee

14/02/2011, 7:29 PM

I never knew you grew up in america.

That's just how I roll, G.... :)

Sullivinho

14/02/2011, 8:57 PM

Another one :
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2011/02/14/wigans-james-mccarthy-commits-to-ireland/

Unless they're holding something back, the bit about him making himself available for the Macedonia squad seems to be based on his Dad's comments rather than those of the player himself.

At the moment things seem set up for a showdown between Trap and Martinez come the next squad announcement. What are the chances Trap will choose to respect his Wigan counterpart's wishes? Reasonably high I'd say.

Tony O'Donohue commented on Trap's "unfair" handling of the situation, but I can't access the RTE Player file.

Anyone got the jist of what he was saying?

Hmm, that video (http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/mns/2011/0213/tod_av.html) appears to have disappeared. Let's hope Tony hasn't suffered the same fate.

Noelys Guitar

14/02/2011, 9:25 PM

Tony O'Donohue commented on Trap's "unfair" handling of the situation, but I can't access the RTE Player file.

Anyone got the jist of what he was saying?

Here is the full text
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/mns/features/tonyodonoghue/

Nothing new really that has not already appeared in other sports media. Ridiculous dig at Trapatonni in the last paragraph with To'd saying Sporting Fingal could have survived on a quarter of Trapatonni's wages. I think its fair to say at this stage that no journalist knows what is going on and they are all either drinking in the same pub swapping stories or just cut and pasting stuff.