James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

[tetsujin1979]

from http://soccernet.espn.go.com/report?id=269997&campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=5739

Liam Ridgewell escaped punishment for a touchline tackle on James McCarthy but Martinez claimed: ''It was an horrendous tackle and McCarthy's ankle is quite damaged. I don't think he will be able to play against Brazil which is a shame because it is his first senior call up. He will meet up with the squad but, the way he is now, he looks unlikely to be able to participate.''

[seanfhear]

Ridgewell could have had three yellow cards for that tackle, one each for James, the linesman, and the corner flag.:)

Seriously he could have been sent off for that tackle on James.

A very good through pass from James to set up a good chance.

[tetsujin1979]

McCarthy met up with the squad, but didn't take part in training: http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100715:mccarthy-thrilled-to-be-involved-with-ireland-squad&catid=1:senior-men&Itemid=8

Republic of Ireland Assistant manager Marco Tardelli revealed that McCarthy will be assessed again today by the medical staff, after which a better idea on his likely availability for Tuesday's game will be known.

[sheao]

Came on as a sub in the 2nd half, did alright imo .

[Fergie's Son]

Well that puts this issue to bed then. He's one of us now. Actually, he always was one of us!

[Jacky08]

Well that puts this issue to bed then. He's one of us now. Actually, he always was one of us!

Yep - hopefully he'll be the mainstay of the team to come

[Serb]

Until he plays a competitive game in the Irish shirt, he can still play for Scotland :D

[seanfhear]

Came on as a sub in the 2nd half, did alright imo .
He did good in a situation where the Brazilians were well on top.
He looks like a player that can see and make a good pass. Very promising and delighted he is playing with us.

[Fergie's Son]

Until he plays a competitive game in the Irish shirt, he can still play for Scotland :D

I thought that the friendly was deemed a competitive game?

[Charlie Darwin]

It's not deemed a competitive game, but playing in a friendly is now sufficient to tie a player to a national team. He couldn't play for Scotland now even if he wanted.

[geysir]

It has to be a competitive game for him to be tied, no argument.
I hope he gets good game time over the next friendlies.

[Charlie Darwin]

They changed the language a few years back to include friendlies.


With the exception of the conditions specified in par. 3 and 4 below, any Player who has already represented one Association in a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category or any type of football may not play an international match for a representative team of another Association.

[Colbert Report]

What about Joe Lapira? I thought he wasn't tied to us because it was only a friendly he played in?

[Charlie Darwin]

I think Bob Bradley will just have to accept that Joe Lapira will not be spearheading his team's assault of this summer's World Cup.

[Serb]

I was taking the **** with that comment really. There's no chance he'll swap, but he can still play for Scotland until he features in a Euro qualifier (or a World Cup qualifier if it really takes him that long to make his competitive debut).

[Colbert Report]

I think Bob Bradley will just have to accept that Joe Lapira will not be spearheading his team's assault of this summer's World Cup.

Classic!

[Predator]

What about Joe Lapira? I thought he wasn't tied to us because it was only a friendly he played in?
I'm not sure how it works, but I assume that any player capped under the old rules will have to remain tied. Where the hell is Lapira now anyway??

I was glad to see McCarthy get his cap. Hopefully he'll have a strong finish this season with Wigan.

[tetsujin1979]

Lapira's playing in Norway AFAIK

[Fergie's Son]

I was taking the **** with that comment really. There's no chance he'll swap, but he can still play for Scotland until he features in a Euro qualifier (or a World Cup qualifier if it really takes him that long to make his competitive debut).

Based on the above, that may not be true. He is happily tied to us it seems (happily as both sides want this, I'm delighted for the lad).

[geysir]

They changed the language a few years back to include friendlies.


With the exception of the conditions specified in par. 3 and 4 below, any Player who has already represented one Association in a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category or any type of football may not play an international match for a representative team of another Association.


Nah, who put that 'any type of football' in there? someone has been pulling your leg Charlie :)
It is beyond argument now, it is participation in an official competition which binds, eg A qualifier.

It use to be this text which was ambiguous

(a) He has not played a match
(either in full or in part) at “A”
international level for his current
Association, and if at the time of
his first full or partial appearance
in an international match in
an official competition for
his current Association, he
already had the nationality
of the Association’s team for
which he wishes to play.´

It was changed to this in June 2008, the key part being the clarity to the level - official competition

a) He has not played a match
(either in full or in part) in an
official competition at “A”
international level for his current
Association, and at the time
of his fi rst full or partial
appearance in an international
match in an official competition
for his current Association, he
already had the nationality of
the representative team for
which he wishes to play.

[Charlie Darwin]

That's weird - seems to contradict Article 15 completely then. Either way, it would have to be ruled on by FIFA and we know they tend to make things up as they go along.

[geysir]

It's not article 15, it's nr 18
and it has been ruled on.
I am quoting from the rule as it stands.
What do you think, that I make it up just to mess with your head?

[Charlie Darwin]

Read Article 15 - it's the original ruling on eligibility and says that any player who plays in an A international is cap-tied. Article 18 is a subsequent addition that says it has to be a competitive fixture. It's probably not the first or last team FIFA's laws will contradict each other.

[Colbert Report]

So what's the deal then? Is he tied to us or not? Must he play at least one second in a senior qualifier in order to be tied to us?

[irishfan86]

He is not tied Colbert. But he's not switching anyway, so just drop it.

F*ck.

[geysir]

Read Article 15 - it's the original ruling on eligibility and says that any player who plays in an A international is cap-tied. Article 18 is a subsequent addition that says it has to be a competitive fixture. It's probably not the first or last team FIFA's laws will contradict each other.
:confused:
Yes Charlie, read it a bit more carefully, article 15 tells you to move on to article 18 to see what the exceptions are to choosing another federation.

Article 15
2 With the exception of the
conditions specified in article
18 below, any Player who has
already participated in a match
(either in full or in part) in an
offi cial competition of any
category or any type of football
for one Association may not
play an international match
for a representative team of
another Association.

[Charlie Darwin]

OK, I was wrong. You don't have to be an ass about it.

[geysir]

Now I am the ass? :)

[Serb]

Ah here, the rules are not straight forward. Bottom line, it has to be competitive, we all get it at this stage, let's talk about James McCarthy in here instead :)

[geysir]

The issue does relate directly to James.
The rules in this matter are not straight forward, that is why a poster's confusion is answered emphatically, otherwise the confusion easily spreads. In Charlie's case he was persistent with his confusion over a number of posts and then has a little huff.

[Charlie Darwin]

Look, it's irritating enough to be proven wrong but it's worse when somebody insists upon being a bitch about it. From your original post on this page, it looked like you were saying I'd misquoted Article 15. My later point was that Article 18 doesn't read like an exception to Article 15, it seems to completely invalidate it. I've admitted that I was wrong, but you weren't exactly "emphatic" in your earlier posts.

[geysir]

but you weren't exactly "emphatic" in your earlier posts.

Not exactly emphatic? my first reply to you was a one liner
"It has to be a competitive game for him to be tied, no argument."

Should I have used block capitals, a few exclamation marks !!!!! to perfect the emphasis?

I have been here a long enough time but I have yet to perfect the skill of reading the unexpressed thoughts of a poster's thinking on any subject.

[tommy_c12000]

Has done well in the 1st half V Liverpool. Has tackled Gerrard well on a couple of occasions as well as creating a couple of opportunities

[carloz]

Reading on another thread that himself and N'Zogbia are running the show in the first half. I read a few people saying he had Gerrard in his pocket too

[tommy_c12000]

Gerrard not at the races at all 2nite. Liverpool have been awful

[back of the net]

from the skysports website on tonites game....


"Man of the match: James McCarthy did all the hard work in the middle of the park - an unsung hero who is rapidly improving."

[Razors left peg]

Looks like we really have a proper player on our hands

[geysir]

No doubt the mere 20 minutes or so in a green shirt at senior level has raised the bar and brought on his game to another level :)

[Charlie Darwin]

Shows what 2 days in training with Keith Andrews can do for a player.

I thought he was excellent too. Liverpool were dire and Wigan midfield just dominated. He played some beautiful floated balls over the top in the first half.

[elroy]

Only saw a few mins in this, seemed to be playing in an advanced midfield role?? Similar to what Scholes wouldve done for united back in the day.

[Crosby87]

Looks like we really have a proper player on our hands

Isnt it nice to finally see one of our young players having a positive time? actually moving forward instead of back?
Seems like its been forever for some reason.

[shakermaker1982]

Could he be the answer to our prayers in central midfield? I just hope he makes the two games in May and attends all our training camps.

[desmondoldie]

Just watch the highlights of last game there, In my opinion his performance for a man meerly 19 is imense. Did you see the way he kept telling N'zogbia what to do. Hopefully he stays with the lactics for a few years because it is easy Martinez has got great belief in his abilty, but will ensure he is also protected for the media spotlight.
It least we now have a potential world class player who wants to play for us rather then a fella whod ratther represent the manks.Last night was my first time see him play a central role for wigan , from what i seen before he was on the left week. hopefull martinez has the nerve to keep him in the middle to let him grow.

[DeLorean]

This really is very positive stuff. Every report I have read has given him a great write up. I saw the first 20mins or so myself and he looked involved at least. He was giving N'Zogbia dogs abuse out by the sideline at one stage as well for not making a better angle for him to pass the ball, good sign I thought. When I heard how well he played I set the Sky+ to record the repeat of the match on ESPN this morning, I'll take a look later. He seems to get lots of blocks and tackles in as well as his passing ability. This could be vital if he's to be a Trap favourite.

Edit- just seen your point about N'Zogbia after posting Desmond, it has to be a good sign when he's almost bossing a more established player around. N'Zogbia got a great write up too to be fair.

[Brendan 82]

This makes me really not understand those who were saying he should not have been capped in the Brazil game. He was outstanding, frustrated Gerrard on many occasions and looked the best midfield player on the pitch last night, bar Mascherano perhaps.

[back of the net]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/08/wigan-liverpool-premier-league1

From the above link:
-Diamé and McCarthy took control of their battles, the latter revelling in a contest against his boyhood hero, Gerrard, and receiving a nasty foul from behind from the England vice-captain. "The biggest compliment I can pay him is that his performance didn't surprise me," said Martínez. "He played 20 minutes against Brazil [for Ireland] and tonight against his hero, but nothing fazes him."

[Hibernian]

Saw the highlights there today and can only say the boy was fantastic looks like we might have a real gem on our hands here.

I was always of the support that he was right to stay in Scotland last season to gain more first team football and looks to be proven correct. He now getting his chance at Wigan and seems to be taking a big step towards gaining more regular first team football for rest season. He put Gerrard in his pocket last night thats for sure.

[Nagger]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7401465/Wigan-Athletic-1-Liverpool-0-match-report.html

Some frustration began to seep into Liverpool hearts, Torres earning a caution for catching Diame. Gerrard followed him into the book, taking man and ball with a challenge on McCarthy. It reflected McCarthy’s – and Wigan’s – superiority on the night.

Looks like he completly outplayed Gerrard. Not bad for a 19 year old

[Brendan 82]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/08/wigan-liverpool-premier-league1

From the above link:
-Diamé and McCarthy took control of their battles, the latter revelling in a contest against his boyhood hero, Gerrard, and receiving a nasty foul from behind from the England vice-captain. "The biggest compliment I can pay him is that his performance didn't surprise me," said Martínez. "He played 20 minutes against Brazil [for Ireland] and tonight against his hero, but nothing fazes him."

I love it. This kid is a legend already

[desmondoldie]

Yes i think you could see that McCarthy has a lot of respect the way he dealt with Stevie G's tackle, imagine if that was young James who put in the Tackle on stevie G what the English press would be saying if Mr.G missed the world cup over a crazy lunge like that.I think the tackle was horrible and no matter how frustrated he was a lunge like that from an expierenced premier leauge player should not be condoned.

Also on a different topic, can we call him the young Irish man or will he aways be the young Scott.