James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

[Deckydee]

Just sent off!! :eek:

[Carrigaline]

Just sent off!! :eek:No he wasn't.

He drew a penalty that resulted in Stearman being sent off for Wolves. Rodallega missed it though!

[Acornvilla]

come on james shut the doubters up

[tetsujin1979]

playing up front according to Sky Sports?

[Acornvilla]

playing up front according to Sky Sports?
just behind scotland? makes sence to me

[Carrigaline]

playing up front according to Sky Sports?Playing left wing.

[Carrigaline]

McCarthy scores.

[Carrigaline]

Took his goal well, but doesn't look comfortable on the wing.

[tetsujin1979]

follow up from a save from a Rodallega shot.
Delighted for the lad, two goals in two games

[stiffler]

Good man James!

[Carrigaline]

With the sending off, McCarthy has moved into centre of midfield.

[Acornvilla]

woo 2-0 now did he win the second peno? or was i hearing things

[irishultra]

great news, do we have a friendly coming up soon?

[Carrigaline]

woo 2-0 now did he win the second peno? or was i hearing thingsYou're hearing things!

Second goal was scored by NZogbia, with the set-up by Rodallega.

[Carrigaline]

All over now. Overall, McCarthy did well for his first team debut. He's comfortable on the ball, works very hard and can play anywhere in midfield (although I wouldn't put him on the wing by choice). My only negative would be that he looked knackered at the end, so he'll probably need to improve the fitness.

Not sure he's quite ready for a full international debut, although I have no doubt that he'll definitely be in the squad for the Euro 2012 qualifiers.

[SkStu]

You're hearing things!

Second goal was scored by NZogbia, with the set-up by Rodallega.

the missed penalty in the first half was given for a foul on McCarthy.

[Razors left peg]

All over now. Overall, McCarthy did well for his first team debut. He's comfortable on the ball, works very hard and can play anywhere in midfield (although I wouldn't put him on the wing by choice). My only negative would be that he looked knackered at the end, so he'll probably need to improve the fitness.

Not sure he's quite ready for a full international debut, although I have no doubt that he'll definitely be in the squad for the Euro 2012 qualifiers.

any player that hasnt played 90 minutes for a long time is always knackered at the end. that will improve with more matches

[Acornvilla]

especially 90 minutes at the pace of the premiership. give him a few weeks and he will be fine

[Colbert Report]

Looks like an incredible player, I can't understand the doubters on here.

[Razors left peg]

Looks like an incredible player, I can't understand the doubters on here.

haha:D

[tricky_colour]

http://videos.sapo.pt/NAymc2ap5pMjquEe8ssu

Goal above, very slow to load though, good finish.

[paul_oshea]

hahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahahaha

i saw the he was sent off earlier and i thought colbert report would be on saying how crap he was because he got sent off. I then loggedback onto bbc and saw he scored and thought colbert report will be on saying how great a player he is blah blah blah.

Just logged on now and the the thread i saaw under the ireland forum was "james mcarthy" with colbert report as the last replied. haahahahahahahahahahahah :D

[tricky_colour]

The penalty he won is on the video, made a nusiance of himself, got pulled down in the box.
A bit stupid as he would have never have got the ball.

[tetsujin1979]

Looks like an incredible player, I can't understand the doubters on here.
Are you kidding me???
One quick search later

McCarthy was supposedly being looked at by all the top clubs in the world and ended up at Wigan. That is in itself a major disappointment.

At this point, I would have expected him to be at least on the bench for Wigan, but he's not. No, I'm not prepared to allow him a full season for "adjustment".

As far as I'm concerned, this season will have been a total waste for McCarthy if a twenty minute sub appearance at Manchester United and an FA Cup third round goal against Hull's reserves are the highlights of his season.

this thread is about over-rated players, and McCarthy certainly fits into that category given the hype that has surrounded him for the past three years. He's done nothing, absolutely nothing at the top level. A goal against a Hull reserve team in an early round of a cup that nobody cares about anymore is not going to change my opinion of him, sorry.

I'm cautious about getting too carried away when you look at over-hyped busts we've had in recent years such as Anthony Stokes and James McCarthy.

McCarthy has never shown he is capable of anything at the top level. There's nothing wrong with that, plenty of players can get it done at the semi-professional level like the LOI and the MLS, but fail at the top level. McCarthy is one of those players I fear.

[shakermaker1982]

That is hilarious Tets!!!

[Colbert Report]

Are you kidding me???
One quick search later

Buy a sense of humour mate! I was only trying to wind up SkStu, and it worked every time. When's the last time we had an eighteen/nineteen year old starting and scoring in the Premiership?

[Razors left peg]

Buy a sense of humour mate! I was only trying to wind up SkStu, and it worked every time. When's the last time we had an eighteen/nineteen year old starting and scoring in the Premiership?

in fairness I know u were havin a laugh with todays comment but my god some of those other comments are just beyond belief

[Crosby87]

And Colbert hopefully some of your good juju for being dead wrong and overly analytical spreads to Stokes. Karma works is strange ways. I wouldnt mind if you threw some insults Terry Dixons way if you get the chance.

[carloz]

He deserves serious credit. How many players would have thrown their toys out of the pram when they only got a couple of games in their first 5 montsh at their new club. He has knuckeled down and now he is seeing the benefit of that. I do think Martinez is a perfect manager for him at this stage in his career.

[carloz]

McCarthy has a long way to go before anyone can consider him a good player. I think again that posters on here are getting too giddy again over a young prospect. lets see how he fairs out after 2 seasons playing regular football for his club. Remember o'Shea had a cinderella first season at United but was ****e for years after that.

Yes, being a regular in a side that won the champions league, lost in another champions league final and have won four leagues. God O'Shea really had some disgraceful seasons after his first one:rolleyes:. In each of those '****e' years he played at least 30 league games, with the exception of 04/05, where he started 23, and 07/08 where he started 28. Yes he had some very bad performances in those years but to say he was ****e for years is a bit of a joke. I don't know why I always tend to bite when i see your posts:mad:

[Crosby87]

He deserves serious credit. How many players would have thrown their toys out of the pram when they only got a couple of games in their first 5 montsh at their new club.

Players who are 19? Zero. Not one.

[carloz]

Players who are 19? Zero. Not one.

Most 19 year olds that have been sold for some 2 million, and after playing 95 games find themselves not getting a game for months would generally kick up a little bit of a fuss

[SkStu]

Buy a sense of humour mate! I was only trying to wind up SkStu, and it worked every time. When's the last time we had an eighteen/nineteen year old starting and scoring in the Premiership?

Of course, if that is the case, it raises the question of why you were going out of your way to wind me up in the first place. :confused:

Ah well, carry on. Good to know you ("secretly") agreed with me throughout it all.

[Irish_Praha]

O'Shea is a mediocre player. I think he may be Fergies lovechild or something that Fergie has not off-loaded him years ago. Should have gone to the likes of Villa or Newcastle long ago if he had any sense but sadly was content to be a sub and take the easy money.

This one of the better posts that bohsRap should have used as an example of how you are ruining this forum. Lots of negative opinions about Irish players that generally don't match up with the real facts.
O'Shea has been injured for a large part of this season so it's unfair to use any stats but last season he played 54 games and the majority were as a starter. So he could harld be considered as a sub.
Also to say he should go to a team like Newcastle or Villa is a bit bizzare as both are in different divisions.

I know you are only a WUM and I shouldnt take the bait but i happend to have 10 spare minutes :D

[Carrigaline]

McCarthy has a long way to go before anyone can consider him a good player. I think again that posters on here are getting too giddy again over a young prospect. lets see how he fairs out after 2 seasons playing regular football for his club. Remember o'Shea had a cinderella first season at United but was ****e for years after that.Mostly agree with that.

There's no point in hyping McCarthy up to be this sort of wunderkid that we can build up, and then tear down when he has a poor game. Having said that (and I hope I don't jinx him), I think McCarthy is one of our better prospects and I think he'll at very least be part of the Irish set-up in years to come.

[Jicked]

O'Shea hasn't merely been a sub for all these years. You horrendous bore.

[tetsujin1979]

O'Shea hasn't merely been a sub for all these years. You horrendous bore.


yes he has son...

I don't know why I'm bothering to reply, but anyway
John O'Shea appearance stats for the last 4 seasons


2009-2010 Home Away Total
Starting Player: Starts: 6 7 13
Completed Games: 6 6 12
Substitutions: 0 1 1
Substitute Player: Started On Bench: 2 2 4
Introductions: 1 1 2
Unused Substitute 1 1 2

2008-2009 Home Away Total
Starting Player: Starts: 20 22 42
Completed Games: 16 19 35
Substitutions: 4 3 7
Substitute Player: Started On Bench: 12 8 20
Introductions: 8 4 12
Unused Substitute: 4 4 8

2007-2008 Home Away Total
Starting Player: Starts: 10 7 17
Completed Games: 8 5 13
Substitutions: 2 2 4
Substitute Player: Started On Bench: 20 16 36
Introductions: 8 11 19
Unused Substitute: 12 5 17

2006-2007 Home Away Total
Starting Player: Starts: 13 13 26
Completed Games: 13 11 24
Substitutions: 0 2 2
Substitute Player: Started On Bench: 15 15 30
Introductions: 9 13 22
Unused Substitute: 6 2 8

[Colbert Report]

Your stats are obviously way off. John O'Shea hasn't played since November 18 2009 and yet you expect me to believe that he's completed 35 games so far this season? Even if you add in all the pre-season and cup games Manchester United hadn't played anywhere near that by November 18.

[Charlie Darwin]

The 2008-09 stats appear to be up there twice.

[Jicked]

yes he has son...

son?

Although I shouldn't bother, here is a list of players who are in and out of Man Utd's first team, just as O'Shea is, on account of Ferguson's very succesfull squad rotation.

Neville
Brown
Anderson
Berbatov
Giggs
Fletcher
Scholes
Carrick
Owen
Nani
Fabio/Rafael
Evans
Fletcher
Park Ji Sung
Tevez (last season)
Valencia

In fact the only players you can guarantee on being in Ferguson's side on match day are Rooney, Van der Sar, Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra. Every other spot is in rotation for even the biggest games. Even some of Ferguson's favourites like Carrick and Fletcher are left out depending on the opposition. The guy started 42 games last year for Man Utd.

But yeah, he's nothing but a sub, he should have showed a little ambition and won the Championship this year with Newcastle like you suggested. You're one clued up football fan alright, I'm sure you have a barstool reserved for you in your local pub you're so knowledgeable and take your football supporting so seriously. You know, the one with no-one around it on account of how incredibly stupid your opinions are.

[geysir]

The 2008-09 stats appear to be up there twice.
Seems to be but afair O'Shea was an ever present in the Man U team this season as a starting player up to the time he was injured.

Here opinions are regarded as facts and facts when presented are regarded as an inconvenience.
No doubt the goalposts will be shifted to claiming (fact based claim of course) that any appearance of O'Shea in the starting line up was because every other defender was unavailable - due to being injured/shot/druggged/suspended/ Ferguson obsession with Josh.

[Manblue]

Weird i thought this was a thread about James Mccarthy

[carloz]

O'Shea is a mediocre player. I think he may be Fergies lovechild or something that Fergie has not off-loaded him years ago. Should have gone to the likes of Villa or Newcastle long ago if he had any sense but sadly was content to be a sub and take the easy money.

Did you not see the stats i put up. He has in almost every season, STARTED at least 30 league games. The most he can start is 38. Only two seasons he started less that 30, and he was in the 20s for those seasons. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, but it is a wrong opinion. Even yesterday looking at Gary Neville, it is evident how much O'Shea is missed at the moment

Edit: lets get this thread back to McCarthy. I think I am at nothing showing the stats to you, you obviously wont change your opinion

[Murfinator]

I'm not reading the whole debate but JOS is one of Man United most influential players these days, unquestionably number 1 right back at the moment and they're suffering without him.

[tetsujin1979]

The 2008-09 stats appear to be up there twice.
my bad, original post updated with the correct stats for 2009-2010

Incidentally, until his injury, O'Shea had stared all but 6 games of United's games at that point
The games he didn't start were:

22 August VS Wigan Introduced on 72 minutes
15 September VS Besiktas Not in squad
23 September VS Wolves Not in squad (League Cup)
17 October VS Bolton Introduced on 83 minutes
27 October VS Barnsley Unused substitute (League Cup)
3 November VS CSKA Moscow Unused Substitute

[Lenny82]

Any post match comments from McCarthy or from Martinez on McCarthy's performance?

[Manc Irish Wolf]

Went to the game yesterday and McCarthy looked class. Proper box to box player and looks like a complete all-rounder in the Gerard/Lampard mould. Obviously scored a good goal, but also played a beautiful ball to release Rogdallega who should have made it 3-0. He's definitely filled out since moving down here and is a lot taller than I expected (looks to be about 6ft/6.1). Definitely has the self-confidence to be a top, top player and on that showing I seriously think we have something special on our hands. Having been equally impressed with McCann at Burnley whan I saw him I reckon these two in the middle (let alone the development of players like Meyler, Clifford etc) will mean that we have our centre midfield sorted for the next ten years. Cap him in the first competitive game we have - I won't be happy until we have 100% assurance that he's ours.

As for the Wolves Irish, Ward was one of our better players although got skinned by N'Zogbia (who was class) for the 2nd goal, Foley is not a winger, although will hopefully get his chance at Rightback after that reckless eejit Stearman got sent off and Doyle held the ball up well but didn't get a lot of service, with the fans now baying for Keogh to come back from injury after Ebanks Blake had another nightmare. All in all, sh*te and McCarthy/Morgan have to seriously spend some money on Premiership quality rather than championship deadwood if we are going to stay in this division. Although Keogh (rather stupidly) said in the post-match presentation that he knew that Stephen Hunt wanted to come to us - which would be a step in the right direction.

[elroy]

with the fans now baying for Keogh to come back from injury after Ebanks Blake had another nightmare.

EBB seems to be shot of confidence alright, cant see him turning it around this season. Is Keogh really rated highly by the Wolves fans? Am not convinced but he did start the season very well for Wolves before the injury.

[EastTerracer]

Any post match comments from McCarthy or from Martinez on McCarthy's performance?

Martinez's post-match interview is here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/wigan_athletic/8463555.stm

He was asked about McCarthy about 01.30 in and had some complimentary things to say about James. "We all know what he's capable of and what talent he has". "We will see a lot more from him".

[SkStu]

Went to the game yesterday and McCarthy looked class. Proper box to box player and looks like a complete all-rounder in the Gerard/Lampard mould. Obviously scored a good goal, but also played a beautiful ball to release Rogdallega who should have made it 3-0. He's definitely filled out since moving down here and is a lot taller than I expected (looks to be about 6ft/6.1). Definitely has the self-confidence to be a top, top player and on that showing I seriously think we have something special on our hands. Having been equally impressed with McCann at Burnley whan I saw him I reckon these two in the middle (let alone the development of players like Meyler, Clifford etc) will mean that we have our centre midfield sorted for the next ten years. Cap him in the first competitive game we have - I won't be happy until we have 100% assurance that he's ours.

As for the Wolves Irish, Ward was one of our better players although got skinned by N'Zogbia (who was class) for the 2nd goal, Foley is not a winger, although will hopefully get his chance at Rightback after that reckless eejit Stearman got sent off and Doyle held the ball up well but didn't get a lot of service, with the fans now baying for Keogh to come back from injury after Ebanks Blake had another nightmare. All in all, sh*te and McCarthy/Morgan have to seriously spend some money on Premiership quality rather than championship deadwood if we are going to stay in this division. Although Keogh (rather stupidly) said in the post-match presentation that he knew that Stephen Hunt wanted to come to us - which would be a step in the right direction.

watched the game in full yesterday. Agree totally with your summary MIW. His touch and passing in those tight triangle situations in midfield was remarkable. He managed to be in the right place at the right time in the box on quite a few occasions and he could have had more than one goal yesterday in truth. He is going to be an awesome player with some more fitness and experience in the premier league. Great to see.

Ward was good, you can still see the winger in him but that said his positioning is surprisingly good. Again, more experience and we will have a viable solution for LB.